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10:00 AM
Yes, it's annoying when you have to understand what you're doing and not just do shit at random.
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tail -f /var/log/yourlogfile.log // Refresh the page / re-run the script
 
Why is it necessary for me to understand all this shit? I will learn what I want to learn in my own time.. for now I am working towards a deadline and I want someone to just tell me a 3 digit number so I can be done with this and move on
@Jimbo I'm not sure how to get into cli for my server
 
@Billy then pay someone for some consulting, we are not here to solve your problems that you are getting paid to solve.
If you want to learn, people will be happy to help, but nobody likes a freeloader
 
This is a community
I help people as much as I can
I hope that others will help me too when I need it
 
Yes its a community not freelance.org
 
10:06 AM
Later Guys :D
 
I know very little about server side stuff as I am a front-end developer. You want me to stop in the middle of my job and spend weeks learning about server development??
 
Yes. Or pay someone who took the time to learn it. Why should someone do your work for free?
Anyways, lunch time. Laters
 
It's hardly "doing my work"
 
As people get simple answers to things they don't understand, they get more errors as they don't know what they're doing and ask more and more questions until it's a job done by someone else. This is called consulting and not helping
 
I'm just asking someone to part with 3 fucking numbers
what the fuck
I fucking hate some people in this community
Why are people here
if they are not willing to help the simplest of problems
 
10:10 AM
You still didn't show us the output of what @Jimbo told you to do
 
Could you please calm down @Billy ?
 
@Billy do you hate people in this community or you hate this community?
 
                                      ^ do // FTFY
 
@iroegbu I hate some people in this community
@SergeyTelshevsky I said that I don't know how to access the command line on my server
 
@Billy ask the server administrator, some of us can't do magic
 
10:13 AM
I can do magic
 
@Jimbo when you get it to be very close... I'll correct
 
hehe
 
@JoeWatkins :)
 
@iroegbu I did it :D
 
There are plenty of people that are willing to help, but there are a minority who are just pricks.. if you don't want to help me just don't speak
 
10:14 AM
@Billy stop cussing
 
Sorry
 
@Billy Thing is, sometimes those people who go out of their way to point out better ways of doing something are usually the most knowledgeable and those who you should listen to... tbf this is about learning and not fixing problems here
 
@Billy lol stop the dictatorship if you don't want to help me just don't speak
 
in general, just wind your neck in a little ... a little advice, if you stand in the street waving your arms and shouting at the top of your voice, you will get no good attention, if you approach people calmly and attempt to communicate with the same set of strangers you might get somewhere ;)
 
@Jimbo why do I need to put 'do' twice? :p
 
10:16 AM
@iroegbu In English it makes the most sense in that context
If you didn't have the first "do", you wouldn't need the second as you'd have two "you"'s
 
and if I omit both 'do's? English is worse than PHP :p
 
But you do have the first "do", so you do need the second "do"
 
@Jimbo I fully understand that but I don't have the time to go and learn an entire new thing when all I want is to just set the correct file permissions. This is not about learning this is about fixing my problem (for me)
 
@Billy Humble is the way forward, that's all I'm saying :)
 
@RonniSkansing I don't mean "Don't speak" I just mean "don't try to help me"
 
10:17 AM
@Billy this is not a fix my problem channel
It is not a free service for getting stuff you do not understand out of the way
you pay people for that
or spend time learning it
 
@Billy help isn't always an answer to your question, it's sometimes a better way to ask the question ...
 
I think most people in here are about helping people to overcome whatever challange they are facing in their current development
 
One of you could have just typed 3 numbers and I would have been gone an hour ago
 
'cept me, I'm about kittens
 
hehe
did you get my office kitten picture joe?
 
10:19 AM
I did
 
@Billy 777 permissions most probably are not the cause of the 500 error
 
they are quite up and running now
 
mine still sleep all the time ... in a pile ... on top of each other ...
 
@SergeyTelshevsky I may as well just give up then seeing as everyone here seems pretty set on not helping me
 
@JoeWatkins you decided to keep all of them?
 
10:20 AM
Well I think yours are going to be some big ones
 
@Billy everyone would be happy to help you if you helped them to help by providing more information
 
I probably will keep them yeah ...
 
Well, I can't see a log file anywhere on my server, and I would run that cli code i f I knew how
 
Contact your hosting provider and ask for the either of two
 
Ahh, no cli access
Haha, exec it from php ;)
 
10:21 AM
lol
 
exec('cat /var/log/apache2/error.log', $stuff); // I'm mental ignore me Joe
 
huh
php can read files ...
 
If that will succeed I'd suggest changing the hosting provider asap
 
@SergeyTelshevsky Really? Why, what is it?
 
@Billy don't bother for now, simply try
 
10:23 AM
@JoeWatkins lies
 
I can't find the error log on my server
 
put up a phpinfo script billy
 
> I don't always read files in PHP, but when I do I exec('cat filename')
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(we know nothing about your env)
 
10:25 AM
log_errors Off Off
 
I see. Is this changeable through cpanel?
 
unlikely
 
you wont have permission to change system wide settings, if you did you wouldn't be using cpanel
you can use
 
@Billy is this a paid hosting?
 
@Billy you really need to change the hosting
 
10:27 AM
it is horrible environment yeah ...
you can use perdir ini to change log_errors
 
@Billy if it is, just call them and make them help you solve this problem completely, this is where everything you asked would be appropriate
 
@SergeyTelshevsky yes
 
> Returns FALSE or NULL on failure.
Gee, thanks PHP
 
Hostpapa reseller account
 
@DaveRandom lol?
 
10:30 AM
@DaveRandom everything returns null on failure ...
 
@tereško My boss is planning to migrate as our host is quite slow.. but that's a big op for another day../.
 
@Billy it should be done yesterday
 
your boss is crazy ...
 
My boss is a designer.. not a programmer
 
Looking at it the only way it will return NULL is if zpp fails
 
10:32 AM
yeah, everything does that ...
is meant to do that ...
 
@JoeWatkins Because ZPP? If so then there are places where it's not true
 
@Billy ramnode.com Give that to your boss. No need for a thank you.
 
@JoeWatkins I know, but it's not documented for anything, because it's assumed that if zpp fails you have bigger problems
 
it's meant to be a convention that user functions should not set return_value if zpp fails, they should just return control ...
 
@SecondRikudo I think if his boss is a designer they need a simple ftp hosting with no cli
 
10:34 AM
@Billy ehm what kind of a company is it?
 
@SergeyTelshevsky And you're a developer. Give him that simple API
Install vsftpd on your server for FTP.
 
@Billy the two options that I would suggest are: edis.at/en/server/linux-vps-solusvm-openvz/iceland or tilaa.com/orders/add
 
@JoeWatkins There are places I have seen where they RETURN_FALSE; I know this because I got pulled up for doing it in a PR I made, and it was eventually accepted as-was because the rest of the funcs in that particular file did the same thing. IIRC I even offered to go through the whole of src and normalise it and was told not to bother
 
lesson 1. you are not allowed to fix things that are obviously broken ...
 
^ that's where it was
Or that file, anyway
Maybe if I just do it and PR it I can slip it in under the bikeshedding radar
 
10:38 AM
good luck !!
 
:-P
 
HAVE_ORALDAP
Have oral what?
:P
 
lol
 
@RonniSkansing The company I work for? Branding, Design, Print, Digital Studio
 
I really don't know why people do that, I guess it must be people who are used to working in 8.3 or something
 
10:39 AM
@SecondRikudo Is the netherlands close enough to still be good? We are based in the UK so I guess a server based over here as well is desireable
 
@Billy Doesn't matter where you are
Where are your clients?
 
@Billy If it's in western europe, it's good enough. You are talking about max 1ms latency difference
 
UK, and all the sites are aimed at the UK so all visitors will be over here too
Ok, cool, thanks
My boss is saying he had united hosting in mind.. any opinions?
 
you don't want hosting, you want servers ...
 
You want VPS, more specifically
 
10:42 AM
Can I use ini_set(); to turn error logging on?
 
yes that ...
 
@Billy Don't forget to use their coupon
 
@Billy Yes, but it won't help with compile-time errors (parse errors etc)
 
IRC33 for 33% off.
 
Linode has a london location. A bit on the expensive side but had good experiences so far
 
10:44 AM
@Patrick Define expensive?
 
25% off.. and server != hosting?
 
one bilion dollars ...
 
That is kinda hefty :P
 
I pay 20/month I think. Just saw that they have 10/month now
 
10:46 AM
I think I pay about the same for the other package the kinda matches my package. Mine also pretty expensive
 
If they are a business they might not want super cheap. I used to have a cheap vps where the company went out of business. That sucks
 
I think a VPS is too complicated for me
 
It's not worth buying the mega cheap ones if you want to be able to do something actually useful with them
 
Also it works most of the times, which is kinda more important to me than saving a couple of bucks
 
that special offer there isn't bad, 2gb is enough to get most shit done, got 4 cores .... eventually will stop working ... I miss ovh ...
 
10:48 AM
@JoeWatkins I did have an ovh box once. Didn't really like it
 
@Billy configuring the software you really need, such as php and nginx or whatever, is less complicated and less time consuming than learning really well how to configure it via the mess that is cpanel ... definitely, matter of absolute fact ...
@PeeHaa I've had loads, their really low end boxes were shit, but you could get pretty good x4+HT SSD hardware for $60 a month ...
 
ovh was great for seo spam... :x
 
Yeah I also only used it for bad things :P
 
@JoeWatkins Sorry to disappoint you, but setting up a new environment for a new site takes only a few click with WHM/cpanel
 
10:51 AM
you don't even know how to change php settings with cpanel ...
setting up a new site takes a few clicks whatever you are using if you are sensible ;)
 
@Billy mspaint.exe (?) is the best
It only takes me a few clicks to draw a line
 
@JoeWatkins normally I don't need to
 
Seriously @Billy. Get a cheap VPS (maybe just for yourself) and start dicking around with it. Once you get the hang of it you will never ever look back
Trust me on this one
 
That ^
 
@Billy it's normal to need control over your environment, completely normal ...
 
10:52 AM
@PeeHaa That is something I will definitely do in my free time.
 
After you get going with a VPS, you'll never want to use a shared host ever again
 
This technically answers the question. It also completely ignores the fact that this is at best "not the only thing that needs to be done" and at worst "a terrible idea and a huge security risk". — DaveRandom 41 secs ago
 
See, my job probably isn't like the rest of yours. All I do is deploy a shitty wordpress site with a shitty ad-hoc theme.
 
get a better job ...
 
@Billy this will be a great opportunity to develop your skills and get a better job
 
10:54 AM
So, knowledge of command line, VPS etc. is all pretty unnecessary
 
Billy is it a start up?
I seen alot of wordpress designer startups burn to the ground
 
you cannot be serious ...
 
No, but I am the only employee. My boss is a designer, he mainly does branding & print, and he used to outsource developers for websites.
 
@DaveRandom tnx
BTW is SO slow again?
 
you are choosing your own fate ...
 
10:56 AM
@Billy seriously, this is not the way to go
 
it sounds like you choose to deploy wordpress, it sounds like you choose to know as little as possible ... none of us will understand that ...
 
I have no qualifications and when I started working here I had no experience.. I worked voluntarily. I have learnt everything I know today from working here.
 
so what did you learn?
 
@Billy so you think this job will be your last job in your life?
 
I worked for free for ~4 months, and since then I have been paid a moderate amount. Soon I will move to somewhere where I can expand my knowledge further
 
10:58 AM
@Billy to move you have to know the basics
 
@RonniSkansing To sum it up; front-end development
 
@Billy it will burn.
If none of you got servers/php under control and use wordpress
it starts fine.. but wordpress is a 5 min install and a lifetime commitment
 
I wish we could delete wordpress ...
 
We can not =/
 
@RonniSkansing Ummm..
 
10:59 AM
> Hi Chris Wright, Chris Wright would like to connect on LinkedIn. How would you like to respond?
awesome.
 
lol...
 
@Billy how will you make sure the plugins you use are secure?
or does not break the site next time you update?
 
So, because I use wordpress you're assuming I'll ALLWAYS use wordpress??
 

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