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12:01 PM
I'm justing looking @ python, perl & ruby wondering why they are far behind php or any other general purpose language. may be all of our php tutorial blogs must have proper SEO to bring php up again :P
 
@TheLuckyGoof do not say that too loud :)
 
no. python & ruby made serious mistake: they changed too much from one version to another. thus, it's difficult to maintain cross-version code
 
Also improving the SEO of PHP tutorials/blogs wouldn't be a good idea. They're bad enough as it is.
 
@DaveRandom hm, w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html - weird but cannot understand what part of BNF requires comma between medias
 
@AlmaDo yeah one day we too stop mysql_ and then people start complaining on it
 
12:04 PM
@TheLuckyGoof Actually, in the Alexa global top 10, 4 are using PHP, 2 are using C++, 2 are using Java, 1 is using Scala and 1 is using .NET
 
hah suck it .NET
 
@TheLuckyGoof that day past long ago
 
@ircmaxell wow u mean facebook, wiki, pinterest, flickr?
 
@zerkms HTTP header line splitting - look for headers that can be passed as lists.
 
@ircmaxell one of those 4 isn't pure php. Even not close to that
 
12:05 PM
@zerkms close enough for government work
 
@hakre I see. But it's still weird it's not defined in that BNF
 
@TheLuckyGoof Google, Facebook, YouTube, Yahoo, Baidu, WikiPedia, Qq, Twitter, Live and LinkedIn
 
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A: Getting file to add that was previously on ignore-paths

TOOTSKIOne solution would be to: Update to latest revision git svn rebase Copy the files manually (remove them from .git/info/exclude if any) Add them and commit using git commit Commit them using git svn dcommit That should result in an error like: ERROR from SVN: RA layer file already exists: ...

 
@ircmaxell google? someone said it is in python!
 
12:07 PM
We'll have to consult our inside source.
 
@TheLuckyGoof considering that I work there, and have seen the code ;-)
 
^
 
HE HAS SEEN The One Who Has Seen.
 
@ircmaxell WHere did you get the info from? Did you do a manual check just now or link to list please D:
 
heartbleed
 
12:07 PM
@TheLuckyGoof gmail was in pything
 
@PeeHaa part en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… part knowledge and part googling about the teach stack
 
It was also part of 20% time wasn't it?
 
@ircmaxell i wish google release some libraries like fb's hiphop atleast
 
> Multiple message-header fields with the same field-name MAY be present in a message if and only if the entire field-value for that header field is defined as a comma-separated list [i.e., #(values)]
it's the #( ... ) part that denote the comma separated list
 
> Yahoo is presently[when?] transitioning to node.js
A clusterfuck.
 
12:08 PM
That's not actually ABNF though I think
 
@TheLuckyGoof because Go, Dart and a ton of github repos aren't enough?
 
@DaveRandom yep, that weird #(...) confused me, but I don't know this dialect name (if any)
anyway thanks for the reference
 
I think it's just Berners-Lee making shit up as he goes along
 
@ircmaxell no I'm mean libraries/ engines in php.
 
 
12:11 PM
@ircmaxell He's under the influence.
 
@hakre yep, that's what we discussed - it's some custom BNF flavour
 
@TheLuckyGoof Umm... why would they do that?
 
Because it's cool these days.
 
@TOOTSKI If you change your name again, it has to be COCAINUM
 
@Fabien Will do! I'm still laughing to that.
 
12:13 PM
I can't help but hear it every time now.
 
@ircmaxell call it CSR, see it as tax exemption,
 
eih
 
BTW are you getting even remotely in contact with PHP @ google. Me thinks no right?
 
he's an agent of goodness in the corporation of evil :p
 
12:20 PM
off to the office, later
 
IBM DW says: Because you've spent so much time working in PHP, it's doubtful that you're going to jump ship to another language. But you also know that standing still is the one sure recipe for disaster in this field.

now what is `this field` mean?
 
@ircmaxell Briefly indeed :)
later
 
I spend a lot of time in PHP but ultimately I hope to choose the right tool for the job rather than the one I have the most experience with.
Hope because I don't yet know another *sad face*
 
I'm hoping that once tools (not just compilers) support C++14 that I can easily write web apps in FastCGI using C++14.
C++11 and C++14 have much better type inference.
 
@LeviMorrison Use D
 
12:24 PM
@AlulaErrorpone Not a chance. I don't think there are enough robust, web-focused tools in D yet.
It's not just the language, it's the ecosystem.
Who knows though, by the time the C++ world is better prepared D might be just as well prepared ^^
 
@Fabien what are those tools under your consideration?
 
@PeeHaa Will PitchBlade implement a DI like Auryn or your own at some point? Or more of a user choice?
 
Hi guys....
I have one doubt.....
 
@TheLuckyGoof C first.
 
in2.php.net/images/logo.php
 
12:28 PM
oh the mother of all languages? (inspiration to most)
 
C is not the mother of all languages, btw.
 
Aye
 
@zerkms As so many are. Orignal BNF is that old, that paper might be a requirement as I just learned ^^
 
@PeeHaa y u no use FastRoute?!?!
 
This too
 
12:30 PM
@LeviMorrison E_NOT_FAST_ENOUGH_ROUTE
 
You don't have to use FastRoute; I am just curious why you chose not to.
 
@Fabien Nope. That was in it but I removed it. :)
 
heh
 
@LeviMorrison Because eveything fast and route makes no sense to me :)
 
Why the heck am I called PeeHaa?
5
 
12:31 PM
@PeeHaa How come? TBH I don't understand enough about DI/SLs to really understand what's going on but questions help.
 
@PeeHaa lolwut
AWESOME!
 
@PeeHaa totally :D
 
awemore
 
Twice the @PeeHaa Double the STDs
3
 
:P
 
12:32 PM
Everyone should be PeeHaa
 
is it possible image with .php extension?
open this url..
 
@CJRamki yes
 
@PeeHaa how?
 
jay
Hello All Can any one help me ?
 
user895378
12:34 PM
@Fabien It's true -- twenty-eleven years old and still kicking.
 
lol
 
user895378
morning
 
i uploaded the same url as image here...
 
Morning
 
@PeeHaa first two letters of PHP and a few filling vocals?
 
12:34 PM
@rdlowrey LOOOOL
 
jay
@Fabien can u help me ?
 
I have a degree in Psychology if that's what you're after.
 
@PeeHaa by echo'ing few hexacodes?
 
wow these semi random pings
 
jay
12:36 PM
@PeeHaa
 
> Display name may only be changed once every 30 days; you may change again on May 10 at 19:29
Oh, shoot.
 
@PeeHaa they're talking to you!
 
@Fabien no, it's still not useful :D
 
jay
@PeeHaa can u help me in wordpress ?
 
@PeeHaa so readfile($logo); did this?
 
12:37 PM
@TOOTSKI Now you've found out :)
 
seee lol
 
@TOOTSKI LOOOOOOOL
 
No @PeeHaa they are talking to you!
 
@PeeHaa Yes, they're talking to us!
 
oh...god.....
 
12:38 PM
@PeeHaa @PeeHaa I'm not sure which of you I should be talking to you so I'll ping both of you
 
two PeeHaa ???
 
Split personality
 
I am the real PeeHaa
 
Yes, he totally is
 
another one is bot?
 
jay
12:39 PM
@PeeHa when we theme activate from admin then i need to add pages and assign to template and assign widget to primary side bar
 
@peehaa looks like your gravatar is a bit different though
 
jay
@PeeHaa
 
wtf is going on here by the way? Why is everyone changing their names?
And avatars
 
perhaps it's change your name and avatar days?
 
You are melting my brain
 
12:40 PM
not me, I'm still me ...
 
sldjfsdfgheouirhnvedfalkvc..asdv.dsav,sdav
 
jay
i have alraedy develop code for add pages and template
 
I think right now, Stackoverflow offers it for 30% off Weekend Sale.
 
@JoeWatkins How can you be sure?
 
@hakre @zerkms so, they've fixed the "bug"? The one where you can change name on other site and apply to all.
 
12:41 PM
@JoeWatkins Well, you say that, but that's what someone who's not you would say so I don't see how I can trust what you say
 
@PeeHaa so readfile($logo); did this?
 
@TOOTSKI I don't think so. (but me hasn't tried)
 
I have no reason to believe anyone else is me ... or that I am them, so I must, infact, be me ...
 
@hakre Just tried it on meta, same message.
 
@TOOTSKI Nah, take another site, like wordpress.stackexchange.com
Just one where you've got a linked account already.
 
12:44 PM
What belongs inside a framework? Or perhaps more vaguely, what commonly may go in a framework but doesn't belong?
 
Well framework for what?
 
Website
Wish I could see/knew of a well done site on github
 
Dinner ready.
 
@hakre Oh, great, looks like I have 2-3 other sites linked. Thanks :)
 
I'm probably over thinking it anyway
 
12:47 PM
@hakre What!? It's 3PM :D
Unless you got up in 3AM.
 
Well I fired up the oven too late :/
 
What's baking? :D
 
Pizza
 
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Q: Access NASA satellite Iris

dgratI want access to the NASA satellite "Iris" for SUN observation. However there are several obstacles. I was not able to find any information how NASA satellites are working (frequencies, communication protocols). Does someone know more about this topic?

LOL @hakre
 
@TOOTSKI This smells like PHP 4 code.
 
1:01 PM
The one bellow, too.
 
yes, it's perhaps that guy get's a parse error because of protected ^^
 
Yeah, he's accessing the protected/private functions from outside, he's an idiot.
No other way to put it ^^
 
morning again
 
ormnign
 
mronzhig
My colleagues are late 7 minutes for work, I'm going to have to report them to supervisor.
 
1:08 PM
I never late :\ because my office is 10 minutes on foot from my home :\
 
IT'S IRRESPONSIMBRU
I'm kidding, we don't use office nor have strict working hours. BOOM
 
Today I'm wearing "Gianfranco Ferré - In mood for love " fragrance.
@ircmaxell Are these "my code not working" posts often seen there? + fail.
 
@ircmaxell you are doing it again. Stop reading /r/PHP. It kills brain cells.
 
Because even @ircmaxell made it ultra simple to hash a password, it's hard for some people.
 
1:13 PM
@tereško I was handed that link ;-)
 
@tereško ups: Both Breathing and Not-Breathing kills brain-cells. So now what?
 
has anybody used the flyweight pattern in PHP before?
 
@hakre Quit.
 
dw, found a good overview here sourcemaking.com/design_patterns/flyweight/php :)
 
1:20 PM
I hate when methods don't have explicit access modifiers defined. ^
 
HARPY FARDAY!
Apr 4 at 21:30, by Dan Lugg
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Jan 31 at 12:54, by Dan Lugg
 
there it humps again.
 
Good lord
 
:-) It is getting pretty big.
I'm surprised honestly; I thought it'd break or fail by now.
 
@DanLugg nice trolling (:
 
1:23 PM
Trolling? That's weeks of hard work!
Months now!
 
pft, trolling? i am happy to be reminded that it is friday
 
hehe
 
@CarrieKendall ...and every Friday since the end of January :-P
 
well, that too :P
 
^^ Me, every Friday
 
I'm me again!
 
Tell that to chrome's cache. :D
 
user895378
Just realized it's Rebeccaday.
 
6 hours ago, by Jimbo
:D
 
user895378
\O/
 
1:33 PM
I hope you are not going to do that.
 
@Leri @ChromesCache: I'm me again!
 
Welcome back @salathe!
 
@salathe Wait, don't you have renaming restriction?
 
@Leri I know how to hax it.
 
1:37 PM
@DanLugg = new pic || } else {
 
@salathe teach me, master!
;)
 
What you mean ? — user3350731 57 secs ago
I don't even know what to answer..
 
Illiterate idiot.
 
@user3350731 It means: Y U NO RESEARCH? — Leri 17 secs ago
Could not help myself. :) ^
 
@Leri I restrain myself from any comments really. If I'm mistaken about CV, 4 other people are not.
Didn't make sense, but I'm not going to "straighten curvy river" as they say here.
 
1:44 PM
@TOOTSKI For some people it makes sense. /me looks @Leri
Heh, and recursive ping does not work. :D
 
:15796592 It does, copy and paste this.
 
Does anyone here have an open source website build that has a members/users functionality?
 
opencart, link
 
I sort of have but it's very framework specific and it's a mess @Fabien. What's the problem?
 
@CarrieKendall I read it as "insult" :p
 
 
hello, anyone knows symfony forms , I'm having an Issue I can't resolve
 
@Leri lol :'(
 
*good
 
pft, my suggestion is highly supported and offers great, (f*** off) free support
 
1:48 PM
@Fabien Seriously, are you looking for user management lib?
 
I'm looking for some good practice to look at in this context
 
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Q: Manager and user Login system PHP MYSQL

ajmI'm wondering if it's possible to have a login system that allows for both manager and general user logins. For example, a manager logs in and will view a different page (admin.php) than that of which general user will open (user.php). I've found this idea a rather difficult question to simply g...

 
How topical
 
1:55 PM
Cheers @Leri
 
@TOOTSKI Edit your profile on another SE site, and click the "Save And Copy Profile To All Stack Exchange Accounts" button
 
1 hour ago, by TOOTSKI
@hakre @zerkms so, they've fixed the "bug"? The one where you can change name on other site and apply to all.
Yeah, I used meta which was wrong :)
Wanted to change to PeeHaa.
 
@TOOTSKI I used meta too
 
@TOOTSKI well, it's first question, so I think we should give a chance to edit it before closing
 
user895378
1:59 PM
Nevermind. Everyone already knows that.
 
Boooo @rdlowrey.
@AlmaDo Sure, let's see :)
 
@rdlowrey Although I quit following the list I still scan it^^
 
@TOOTSKI The problem is that you click "save and copy to all..." when you changed it in the first place. When you do that, it resets the timer on all sites. If you just change your name on one site is doesn't affect the others
 
@DaveRandom Ah, totally makes sense. Thanks.
 
Ye gods MySQL workbench is a terrible piece of software :-(
 
2:07 PM
@DaveRandom Still better than PhpMyAdmin
 
I'm not sure it is, tbh
 
@DaveRandom For what purpose mainly?
I use SQLYog, and sometimes phpMyAdmin for some goodies it has.
 
@TOOTSKI Isn't that pay-for though?
I don't want to pay for a piece of DBA software ffs
 
It has community edition, but I "paid".
 
@TOOTSKI Can't find a DL for anything other than a trial
but I may just be being Friday
 
2:12 PM
It's well hidden somewhere, let me see.
There's no mention of it on website.
 
Awesome sauce, thanks
 
Hope the best parts are not restricted :(
 
Lets see...
 
Nice.
 
2:16 PM
I need to think of a good example for a Facade... Creating a lean interface for a complicated system that will fit on a slide
thoughts?
 
Well it takes less than 15 years to load up so that's already a marked improvement @TOOTSKI
 
@ircmaxell I think @JoeWatkins recently had a few thoughts about it.
@DaveRandom LOL
 
Must... resist... Laravel comments.... nggggggrh
 
@DaveRandom did you know that Taylor Otwell (the genius who invented Laravel) is the inventor of Facade?
 
@TOOTSKI To most people it looks like that's true, but it's actually a Facade
Ahh, much better
 
2:20 PM
Protip: press CTRL + L in Table Data/Result for them to be plain text (for copypasta).
Apr 6 at 19:07, by PeeHaa
> Facades are an innovation originally created by Taylor Otwell for the Laravel PHP project.
 
@ircmaxell What conference/event is this for, out of curiousity.
 
UN one, forgot the name, damnit.
 
@TOOTSKI Isn't that the guy where that ridiculous business about the Laravel license went down?
 
@DaveRandom Not sure, out of the loop, I have no time for crap of that magnitude :P github.com/AuroraPHP/Facades
 
@LeviMorrison nyccamp.org
 
2:25 PM
Looks like it has a heavy focus on Drupal.
 
it's a drupal conf, so yeah. code samples are tweaked slightly in that direction
 
Ugh, now getting a taste of Joomla at work
 
Isn't a facade basically a glorified service locator?
 
plam to the face, eh? ;]
 
2:36 PM
@ircmaxell I was thinking of Laravels facades
 
^ ooops
 
Hey...fellas..!
 
Facades [mostly] end-up as god classes...
 
it seems no one is active...
 
I'm not active. I spend most of the time sitting on my arse
Anyone want an atom.io invite?
 
2:43 PM
nice...it's ok....no one is gonna to blame anyone at least here...!
 
@LeviMorrison manual is in french for me, and I don't remember selecting french :D
 
@DaveRandom I haven't sat at work in weeks
 
@TOOTSKI This happens from time to time. Not sure exactly why.
 
@DaveRandom dm php net
@LeviMorrison Yeah, blame on bjori. Nice work by the way.
@ircmaxell Lucky bastard :D
 
@ircmaxell Well yes, I'm sure you're too busy having meetings on Merry-go-rounds or Rollercoasters or while climbing Kilimanjaro or whatever it is you craxy Google types do
 
2:45 PM
So, @webarto, are you going to be staying as @TOOTSKI?
 
@LeviMorrison ISP?
 
@LeviMorrison Yeah, I'm idiot, clicked on "copy to all sites" and it reset the timer on all, so at least until May 10 :D
 
@TOOTSKI standing desk
 
@TOOTSKI sent
 
Well,so who can just show the way...to learn PHP in better way..!
 
2:46 PM
@ircmaxell Ah... gotta try that too.
 
I mean any site...?
will be helpful..!
 
@user3515275 php.net
 
^ +1
 
@TOOTSKI yeah, takes some getting used to, and my legs are killing me
 
@TOOTSKI o.0
 
2:48 PM
@Leri ... php.net but where exactly the exact link?
 
@ircmaxell Do you have a treadmill too? There are some professors here with those attached to standing desks.
 
@LeviMorrison nope. An old boss did, but nearly got hurt on it so gave it up
 
@ircmaxell Guys from previous company bought them (were cheap in USA) and have mixed feeling, mostly they switch after one hour to chair, and put something below the feet. I think I can't concentrate well while standing.
 
@TOOTSKI I used to think that way, but after trying it, I never really go back to the chair
 
Sure, on the other hand, my legs hurt (like being crushed) because of sitting, lack of circulation.
 
2:50 PM
@Leri : it might me good but besides someone referred me to www.codecademy.com so what are your feelings about codecademy?
 
I'm not at home currently, but when I get back I'm going to buy one, it's $50 now, can always fire it up in winter if I don't use it.
 
Anyone know why Symfony/Process would be returning 1 with a "General error" for everything?
 
1. Learn programming.
2. Learn PHP syntax (from syntax part of php.net)
3. Learn base APIs
4. ???
5. Profit
 
Seriously, php.net is one of, if not the, best resource for learning (PHP of course).
 
@user3515275 also phptherightway.com
 
2:52 PM
We just closed several questions from people that followed the PHP4 tutorials in 2014.
 
user895378
phptheframeworkysortofrightway.com
 
No, we at php.ac are going to pwn that.
The Right Way, sounds too cocky to me.
 
user895378
Exactly.
 
Like they're imposing, I don't like that.
 
i think the idea is to instill some general best practice, not say anything else is wrong
 
2:53 PM
Questionable, but better than other options available.
 
user895378
What is actually a "best practice" varies from project to project and use-case to use-case.
 
@hohner : your referred site is also good enough..thanks..for that..!
 
@rdlowrey of course. but there are also standard things like dependency management, use of namespaces, exception handling, etc. that a newbie might not know. and might not be explained on php.net
 
@tereško : Hey man..! calm down..! it seems you are stucked somewhere?
 
2:55 PM
@hohner Use of namespaces isn't really a "best practice", it's more like "if you don't use them you're probably a potato"
 
user895378
@hohner "standard" things is another subjective term.
 
@user3515275 you must be new here
 
user895378
PSR doesn't make something standard. It makes it "something frameworks of dubious authority and regrettable performance do."
 
Obligatory. Also, much larger than I expected.
 
@tereško @DanLugg : you two surely do pretty good joking..! yeah..i am new here..!
 
2:57 PM
@tereško It is javascript hence it cannot be fixed :|
 
@user3515275 the "where am I stuck" is at the "where to start to even make it less horrible !?"
 
user895378
So ... to all the people who wanted PSR-0 implemented in core ... why do we now have PSR-4?
 
user895378
What a disaster it would have been to put a now deprecated "standard" into the language.
 
^^ You should tweet that.
 
@tereško Embrace the horrible.
 
2:59 PM
@tereško I'd start by pulling the pointless globals down and naming some of those callbacks (with a view to minimising the code inside .ready), then you might be able to see the wood for the trees a bit and work out what can objectified (if it's worthwhile)
 
what autoloader will PSR-24 bring?
 
@bwoebi case-insensitive file names
 

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