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10:00 AM
That helped me polish my php skills a lot...!!
 
@KamranAhmed real world projects are good to learn
 
@JoranDenHouting did it work?
 
@Mr.Alien Exactly, you never know (atleast me) if you have learnt something or not, unless you work on some project!
 
@kaiser, not really.. But she understands some parts like variables keep data etc. basic, basic, basic stuff.
 
kool
 
10:02 AM
w3schools is awesome, if you want to learn from a beginner :p
 
Hnnng!
 
@JoranDenHouting go away.
 
meh, MDN is better for beginners
 
@JoranDenHouting Quick delete it before it's too late!
 
@JoranDenHouting Yeah! But I won't recommend anyone!
 
Anonymous
10:03 AM
@JoranDenHouting You must have a super cool mom. Is she single?
 
@Simon_eQ LOL what kind of question is that? :P
 
Lol I ment it this way: the creator of w3schools is a php beginner, if you want to learn php from someone who actually is a teacher without a certificate, then be my guest :)
There is only some basic stuff available, and not always in a way I would explain it to someone. Big fan of the php.net myself.
 
thanks @Simon_eQ
 
And I'm someone who learns from research, never had a school teaching me php always found answers myself :) Love the internet
 
Anonymous
@KamranAhmed It means, I'm interested :)
 
Anonymous
10:05 AM
@TechQ np
 
@Simon_eQ haha got it!
 
@JoranDenHouting Yes it's easier to understand but at the expense of bad practices.
 
Just did my first bounty of 50 :)
 
Anonymous
Aren't you too young to be giving bounties?
 
@JoranDenHouting Hmmm got 50 points or lost?
 
10:09 AM
@Simon_eQ, maybe... Maybe not :p
 
Methinks @Simon_eQ is in biatch mode today
 
@KamranAhmed I lost 50 because I want to know an answer too on someones question :)
 
@JoranDenHouting I started with w3schools and youtube tutorials, in the result, lost almost 2 years. :) How can I or anybody else with the same experience can suggest it to other beginners? sigh
 
@Leri I don't suggest it to beginners ;)
 
@JoranDenHouting And I lost 50 yesterday while testing, how bounty works! :P
 
10:10 AM
lol @KamranAhmed
 
@Leri I'd suggest NETTut's PHP course! It's the best one out there..
 
Anonymous
@Gordon 99%
 
phptherightway is good
 
Anonymous
I'm smitten with frustration
 
@Starsong although the name should be phpthedogmaticway
 
10:11 AM
@KamranAhmed serious? NETTut's? Didn't read their site for years actually...
 
I totally recommend this resource to any newbie.
@Gordon Probably yes.
 
@Simon_eQ why? internship not going as it should?
 
I was looking at this today... bentobox.io it's a list of resources but I am iffy on some of them.
 
@JoranDenHouting yep! Actually I'd recommend it for any web dev related course... I am constantly following for the last 6 months!

http://net.tutsplus.com/
Especially they have the author/editor Jeffrey Way, I am a huge fan of him! :)
 
Anonymous
@Gordon I am manually checking for dead links! that is my job now. How depressing could that get? And, I'm getting paid for that.
 
Anonymous
10:14 AM
Just check all existing links, if something is wrong .
 
@KamranAhmed, I still remember they got hacked and the members found out they never stored users passwords encoded. Free plain password strings of 80,000+ users. PAYING users.. LOL
 
Build a program ot check for dead links @Simon_eQ
 
long time ago...
 
Anonymous
@Fabien The fact that I am checking for dead links, is because I can't build anything.
 
@Simon_eQ And it'll stay that way unless you try ;)
 
10:15 AM
@KamranAhmed read here about the hack of plain stores passwords: notes.envato.com/general/tuts-premium-security LOL remember as the day of yesterday.
 
@JoranDenHouting I don't know about that! BTW I am not a premium member, just follow there articles feed plus find the torrent for any premium course that I like :P
 
@KamranAhmed Stop suggesting any language-specific tutorial, please. They teach how to do things without understanding it. The best thing for beginner is to take some good book explaining how to think as a programmer (i.e. data-types, data-structures,basic algorithms, etc.) with some old-school language (I prefer C) implementations of examples. After that some assembly (enough to understand, nobody is going to develop with assembly any more unless you go too low).
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@Leri hmmm Agreed!
 
@KamranAhmed Don't discuss torrenting materials illegally please, some of us like to pretend there is still some honesty on the Internet. -_-
 
so, @Simon_eQ, did it get boring ?
 
10:22 AM
@Starsong LOL haven't you ever used that?
 
@KamranAhmed BitTorrent? Sure, to download Linux distros.
@KamranAhmed I don't steal other people's content, I wouldn't want them to do it to me.
 
Lol yeah but you can't stop the ones illegally uploading them...
 
Anyone using illegal torrents is illegally uploading them -- that's how p2p works. Just because people do something mindless doesn't mean you have to do it.
 
.. you are full of it
 
Anonymous
10:26 AM
@tereško Not in the slightest sense :)
 
Anonymous
only boring thing is what I am doing now :/
 
I'd suggest that if you can't afford to pay a few bucks for content, either get a damned job or do without it. [/rant]
 
zzzz
 
Anonymous
@Starsong you'r not serious are you?
 
@Simon_eQ Yes, I am serious.
I don't think stealing other people's hard work is ethical.
 
Anonymous
10:28 AM
torrenting is the only good thing we have got in life
 
I feel bad for your life.
 
@Starsong and I feel like you are full of shit
 
Anonymous
if only, I wasn't too depressed to react right now
 
@tereško specify You is who
 
@Mr.Alien He means me. Obviously being for property rights makes you not serious & full of shit.
 
10:31 AM
@Everyone please don't go off topic! :/
 
I wonder, which is the magical wonderland where he lives. Because here 60$ is enough to pay bills for a month.
 
The topic is "who is full of shit" :D
 
I'm a bit two-faced when it comes to this. I used to think torrenting was fine. And in some circumstance I still think it is, but I think that there's a huge issue with pricing and availability that doesn't help.
I pay for whatever I can afford.
But small things like I want to watch breaking bad and there's no where for me to buy it when it releases?
I would gladly pay to watch it if I could
Assuming a reasonable price for the stream.
 
@tereško I live in the magical wonderland of Naples, it's a glorious place where cash is plentiful and it's not hard to buy anything. I'm actually on my yacht right now. [/sarcasm]
 
@Starsong well, you are right but if you see, things are pretty costly.. a normal earning person cannot afford those, for example take me, am not that rich as of now, buying a book for 2.5K INR is too costly for an Indian and am not even sure whether the book is good or not, yes ofcourse I will pay up when I earn some gud amount
 
10:33 AM
@Fabien Breaking Bad is on Netflix.
 
@Simon_eQ this was one of the first tasks I had to do when I was working as a student about 10 years ago. I wrote a linkchecker for that. It was a horrible mess of regex parsing html. But it worked. I think they are still using it today.
 
@Starsong When a new episode comes out it doesn't go to Netflix for a while.
 
@Starsong breaking bad is on netflix if you're on the only side of the world where that works
 
@Starsong I have a netflix account though :P
 
@Fabien Get a US Netflix proxy. :P
 
10:33 AM
@Starsong there is no netflix here
 
Fuck region blocking.
 
@Starsong My connection is too slow, I have one of those too :)
 
@tereško Get a US Netflix proxy. ;)
 
in the rest of the world, we use eztv.it to run around region issues
@Starsong and you'd have to fake the credit card address? no, thanks.
 
gods below ... americans really are as ignorant as i have thought
 
10:34 AM
@tereško I'm not American.
 
Anyway, Breaking Bad was just an example. I always want Jet Li movies in HD. I scowered the interwebs high and lo for a place to buy it and can't find it anywhere. Searched torrents and there's one for his entire collection HD. It's in Russian though :(
 
Anonymous
@tereško +++1
 
@Gordon linkchecker?
 
@Fabien Torrenting something you cannot obtain any other way is a different argument to 'I'm too Goddamned stingy to pay $5 for something.'
 
@Fabien Anybody watching Arrow or Vampire Diaries? :P
 
Anonymous
10:36 AM
@Gordon Yeah, I'll manage. I thought about quitting early, but I have only one more additional month, so hopefully, I hope I'll be more productive.
 
@Starsong Yeah. Which is what I say I am on the fence.
 
@KamranAhmed a tool that would go over a directory, parse all the html documents in it and then check whether the linked resources in them exist on the filesystem
 
@Gordon is that opensource? :/
 
@Fabien I'd potentially torrent MLP to watch it the day it comes out. :P But I'd still pay for it when I can get it (by having a valid Netflix account).
 
@KamranAhmed no. that was an internal tool and it was ten years ago (= PHP4) and like I said it was a mess of regex parsing which is not what you should do when working on HTML documents.
 
10:38 AM
@Fabien And that's totally different to 'Oh, I'm going to steal someone's content even though I can buy it'.
 
can anybody tell me please how can we set default value to column in codeigniter. Please find this example codepad.org/WOFU8Gv3 its saving blank instead of default value
 
@Gordon hmmm!
 
@Starsong Aye. Just ensuring we all know it's not black & white.
 
@Fabien My argument is they have to meet me half way, if they want me to pay for the damned content they HAVE to make it possible for me to buy it. And not 2 years after everyone else because 'lol fuck ur region'.
 
@Starsong heh.
@Starsong Region is a price thing too though
When stuff goes from US to UK they just replace the currency symbol. That annoys me.
 
10:40 AM
@Fabien Because VAT is retarded. Blame your government for adding ~20% to everything you buy.
 
And the conversion isn't even that bad compared to other places.
 
@Starsong Sometimes I don't have $5 but I want it now, I will pay the $5 later. And sometimes I want to make sure it will actually be worth the $5 before I part with my hard earned money. So I'm not totally against illegally dling stuff I could obtain legally, but I do generally then obtain them legally.
 
Anonymous
I am torrenting Adobe After Effects right now. speed: 5mb/sec.. ohhh this feels good.
 
anybody please help....
 
Anonymous
it's a finger licking guuud
 
10:42 AM
please see my post
 
I like PHP but I am doing a job of ASP.net.. Should I quit?
 
@Simon_eQ I'm not poor enough to need to. :3 That feels better.
Nice try at trolling though.
 
@Simon_eQ You're torrenting at work?
 
Anonymous
lunch break. McDonalds.
 
@John Read the topic: Don't ask whether someone is here to help you. If someone is around and wants to help they will.
 
10:43 AM
fair enough. Careful with doing it at work, fire-able offence in a lot of places.
 
^ This.
 
It's against the terms of a lot of business broadbands.
 
@Starsong oops!! thanks for your great reply..
 
Anonymous
Torrenting is legal 100% in Switzerland.
 
@Fabien It's against the law, your workplace is responsible for anything you do at work.
 
Anonymous
10:44 AM
to download, but not to share!
 
@Simon_eQ No it isn't, torrenting is uploading as well. Understand P2P.
 
Anonymous
@Starsong I am a leecher
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
Anonymous
I don't seed
 
so you're hated by both
P2P users AND P2P fighters
 
10:45 AM
@Simon_eQ Nice to know you manage to sit in the area where those who oppose torrenting disapprove AND those who like it disapprove.
 
rofl
 
:D
'Me Against The World'
 
unexpected T_STRING error on line no 1; live server.
but same code working fine on my local server
 
Wish I had a McDonalds right now :(
 
The only thing I've ever illegally downloaded was My Little Pony: Equestria Girls. True story.
 
10:46 AM
I always seed. Especially if that's something that took a long time to track down are has no seeds
 
Anonymous
I am thinking of (installing) utorrent for all my family, as a Christmas gift.
 
Because fuck Hasbro for not releasing it in Italy.
 
@Starsong C'mon, music is affordable :P
Not on Google Play or something?
 
@Fabien I bought the Blu Ray but I refused to wait for it to come out when they could have put it in at least 1 fucking cinema in Europe -_-
I would have flown to LONDON
to watch it.
 
heh
 
10:47 AM
I'm not flying to NYC.
 
Anonymous
I just realized, I haven't seen Life of Pi...
 
Anonymous
well, not anymore ..
 
Better steal it, can't afford $10 :o
 
Anonymous
click
 
@Simon_eQ Read it.
 
Anonymous
10:48 AM
I am not sure, If I can beat that score chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/9488836#9488836
 
@Fabien I have a huge disdain for the movie & gaming industry deciding to screw Europe over and make us wait 6+ months for stuff. I'm happy to buy things, but not happy to wait.
 
@Starsong Aye. Is gaming that bad with it though?
 
@Fabien Not any more. But Final Fantasy for example always used to be a 4 month delay.
 
youtubes subscription feed is broken again .. what a surprise
 
tbh I just go to the page of the guys I watch the most when checking for content.
 
10:55 AM
lol I just discovered I have a clone of CVBacklogUI called "CVBacklogUI-fucked", and moreover it doesn't seem to be any different from the remote :-S
 
imho a 6+ month delay is awesome. Just means the US and other countries can beta test for 6 months for us.. Atleast we'll get a product that should have quite less buggs.
 
@DamienOvereem I'd rather beta. :P
 
Anyone else noticed a general improvement of website apps recently?
 
Yes
 
I'm glad they're taking time on these now. I suppose they have to considering the size of the market.
 
11:00 AM
I guess they realize people will actually pick their competitors if they have a better app
 
Usually I picked some 3rd party app for the same service.
I am quite happy to use YouTubes app and Twitch's now.
Though my iPad 2 wont charge past 5% atm.
Oooh the FAA are changing the rule about electronics during take-off. No more turning my iPad off.
 
Nice try NSA.
 
Hi there. I've just converted all my files (mostly php classes) to utf-8 (via vim set bomb/set fileencoding=utf-8) - now the php interpreter throws errors on my namespace declarations that they should be the very first statements - but they are. How can I solve this?
 
@TristanCebulla you got a BOM in there?
 
11:12 AM
@Ocramius yes
 
Hey look @tereško. Another MVC Framework for you to possibly trash.
 
@TristanCebulla get rid of it
 
@Ocramius how can i do that? (by the way, what is BOM exactly? I've seen that the first time)
 
that thing is so terrible that it's not even on same level as CodeIgniter
 
@tereško That's all I needed to know :P
 
11:13 AM
ah .. I've seen that :set bomb does that?
 
@tereško You know any places where it's well implemented?
 
I wasn't even talking about "mvc" part
@Fabien , frameworks do not implement MVC, your code does
 
@tereško 'uses' then.
 
guess i should toss my 14bytes TinyPhp mvc framework online at some point :)
14kb btw.. sorry ;)
 
@DamienOvereem Make it 14 bytes, then it'll be tiny
 
11:21 AM
indeed
 
Anonymous
LOL. this one github.com/simon-eQ/nanoscale has already reached 120k
 
checking it out again for the first time in 3 years or so.. Actually noticing new experience/knowledge will allow me to make it smaller still :)
 
@Fabien none that I have seen published.
 
@DaveRandom You really hate yourself don't you?
 
Anonymous
It does not even implement any of the known design patterns out there.
 
Anonymous
11:22 AM
It uses the SSS model.
 
@tereško Damn :( I'm much better with examples. How's your blog coming along? -_-
 
@PeeHaa I really hate ext/ldap. I hate that wrapper less, and I hate the lib that's going to use it even less (although you may not, the API smells of SimpleXML)
 
Anonymous
\o/ I got a new assignment.
 
Fetch the coffee?
 
Hello
 
11:24 AM
Usually intern job :)
 
Can someone please explain to me what padding does in nl3.php.net/manual/en/function.mcrypt-generic.php ?
 
@Fabien it's not. And yesterday I spent 4 hours of staring at the blank file before figuring out how to implement a simple tree structure ... that's what you get for not writing code in last month
 
Anonymous
 
lol @Simon_eQ
@tereško heh. You've gone from a clean slate to a blank one.
 
@Simon_eQ that page is unusable on opera
 
11:27 AM
@PeeHaa what I really hate is the name of this method
 
Anonymous
@tereško If you mean, the Js solution doesn't work in Opera mini, then I haven't tested it yet, the site however works in Opera. I just tested .
 
nope, it doesn't in 12.x
and yes, most of people are still using 12.x until the new branch gets ability to use OperaLink
 
hi
 
Opera 15.x .. 18.x is using chromium ... 12.x is using presto
 
u guys are 24x7 in this chat room, do u guys go to office? or r u all college dropouts? :P
 
Anonymous
11:31 AM
I am checking it in 12.15. It is working good.
 
Anonymous
You may have messed yours up :)
 
Anonymous
 
your right .. I messed up a bit
 
Anonymous
You need to upgrade dude :)
 
People still use Opera? o.O
 
11:34 AM
I don't get it either.
 
Anonymous
See, that anime crap is making you lazy :P
 
anyway , the page is not working, when you click stuff it just shows a semi-transparent dot
 
I thought that browser died out like Flock and Maxthon.
 
@Starsong what browser do u use? i use firefox
 
Anonymous
@Starsong Maybe you are the one who died.
 
@Nok Iceweasel (basically Firefox)
 
Anonymous
Opera is the leading mobile browser I know.
 
Anonymous
the best for Nokia phones really.
 
lol?
The leading mobile browser?
Is that some kind of joke?
 
Anonymous
second comes UCBrowser
 
11:36 AM
Opera and UC were good in Symbian days, now chrome and ff are awesome for android users
 
@Simon_eQ not true
 
@Starsong never head of that! i'll try that out soon :)
@Simon_eQ yup! i agree!
 
Anonymous
@Mr.Alien I forgot I am using Nokia5800.
 
hey :D
 
Anonymous
Never had better phone.
 
Anonymous
11:37 AM
But, with Android, I guess all that has changed.
 
@Starsong you better hope that it doesnt. Because in past 10 years about 80% of all the new browser usability features originated in opera.
 
@Simon_eQ I've a tab, chrome is awesome, as well as ff
 
While you might not use opera (it has 2-20% marketshare in different regions), you are benefiting from stuff that they come up with.
 
Anonymous
Yea, I have galaxy tab too. Same story. But, for Symbian Opera is the best. I still upgrade to new versions. You can even save pages for offline read
 
11:40 AM
Symbian is dead.
 
OPera was good for symbian, I mean the default browser sucked as it didn't used to download files with extensions it didn't recognized..
using opera, I used to download hell lot of stuff from my symbian phones
 
Being 'The best browser on Symbian' is kindof like being 'The best browser on Windows 3.11'
 
@Mr.Alien best android browser should be Dolphin
 
firefox beta :)
 
Iceweasel Aurora
 
11:42 AM
@Starsong I really liked symbian and wish it to be alive. :)
 
@Leri I really liked WebOS, but it's still dead. :(
Though I think FirefoxOS is its spiritual successor.
 
@iroegbu well we have many, next is also good, but as far as we have standard browsers available, I don't download these, as updates comes like floods, used to keep every app, now I just keep what I need
 
@Starsong Yes, but... Will its market be successful? Lot of web-devs will move and most of them will create too much bad/unusable/awful stuff and among them good app may get lost.
 
@Leri I can't honestly answer.
I think it will be good from a web dev's POV, but yes, opening the floodgates to a bunch of bad PHP/ASP devs is not going to make finding good apps easy.
 
Whatever happened to OnLive. Potentially good idea...
 
11:48 AM
@Starsong Strict publishing policy can solve problem. Also depends how much dev account will cost and I hope it will be available in my country. -.-
 
@DaveRandom Hmm, so if not for PUT, then what could we use the internal parser for? If you want to write your own daemon? ;-)
 
@DaveRandom And the introduction of a global const ;)
Or is that something already in PHP?
 
@Leri Strict publishing policy isn't usually a great solution, look at Apple Store -- bunch of terrible apps past page 1 in any given area.
 
@PeeHaa Forget global, universal const!
 
Ah it's coming from PHP
 
11:50 AM
@Starsong Same goes for android (I mean google store), but windows phone store is kinda nice.
 
Doesn't php support the const whatever = 123; syntax even outside class definitions?
 
@Jack nope
 
Such a pity :)
 
btw, guys what do you use to manage your todo lists?
 
The todo list manages me.
 
11:52 AM
so just a text file?
 
@Leri Haven't owned a WP since early WP7, so don't know. Back then the main thing you noticed about the WP store was how much is missing.
 
@Jack 5.3>
 
@zerkms If it doesn't require collaboration and it's just you ... a text file will do fine :)
 
@Leri could you provide a specific syntax for that?
@Jack not for me :-) I need to have different due dates for tasks
 
@Starsong Well, OS itself does not provide too much room.
 
Anonymous
11:55 AM
@zerkms personal todo? I remember creating that for like my second PHP project.
 
Anonymous
awesome experience.
 
@zerkms Simple, \t\t20123-11-05\n :)
 
oh, without dollar sign
@Leri thanks,
 
yw
 
11:56 AM
and a correspondent manual page php.net/manual/en/language.constants.syntax.php
 
Yes, which is what I had :)
 
An interesting note in the bottom of the page
 
Yeah .. let's see what happens when you do define it inside an if
Right, parse error.
 

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