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1:00 PM
@ocramius without a thing to hold a bunch of other things, I will need to define those other things from scratch in every document, which will require defining all the things that those other things beed
 
@ircmaxell , it could be that "notification" is a wrong word.
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15729559/merge-2-arrays-to-a-new-array
 
@phpNoOb node.js and asp.net MVC, that's what I'm using. I don't see how that is relevant.
 
its rtfm type question
 
@ircmaxell , i mean UML class diagram. For example: ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/content/RationalEdge/…
 
1:01 PM
@dyelawn yes, but that doesn't mean that your locator is a container
 
@benjamin If I passed in the whole thing instead of only the things I needed, then it would be
 
@NullPonyPointer rtfm?
 
@dyelawn it could build things at runtime each time for example. It is NOT a registry
 
Anonymous
@BenjaminGruenbaum sorry, I thought you were using PHP... I know nothing about node and asp.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum read the Fuc**g manual
 
1:01 PM
@phpNoOb probably better to start with PHP, it's simpler
@NullPonyPointer That's 70% of all questions in StackOverflow
 
@ocramius please review my initial comment on the matter, which emphasized the need for "container" and "locator" to not be used synonymously or interchangeably
 
Anonymous
@Ocramius @NullPonyPointer there are two types of 32 bit versions of PHP here I don't know which one to chose.
 
@sectus diagram of what?
 
@phpnoob for php development, vagrant + chef + symfony + capifony
 
@phpNoOb 2.2E
 
Anonymous
1:05 PM
@dyelawn thanks, but I am just a beginner in PHP, just trying to move past xampp, and find a better "environment " if you will.. to work with it.
 
That is it
Or you could skip symfony + capifony, go to gettingstartedwithchef.com, and be up and running in like 12 minutes
 
@ircmaxell , There is class diagram youtube.com/watch?v=IKD2-MAkXyQ&t=2m56s with yours arrows. This could be a UML class diagram. It's easy to understand, but, i think, with UML designation it would be better.
 
Or you could keep downloading a bunch of GUIs and stuff, trying to mash together something that works until you change a setting in a conf file and have no idea how to fix it
 
1:26 PM
Anyone here whom possesses knowledge in php tcp/ip communication?
 
Don't ask to ask just ask
 
Well, here's the deal. I have a website that i want to connect to a desktop application. The application hosts a tcp server/listener. From the website I want to be able to send a string through tcp to the desktop application.
 
@Alex Check out fsockopen().
 
Thanks. The TCP Listener is hosted on the local network. Do you know if it supports that? Like, localhost (127.0.0.1) and other ip addresses like 10.0.1.x and 192.168.xx?
 
1:37 PM
@igorw there's no real way to make a method call async without having a running event loop, right? :\
 
@alex as long the website and your desktop application are on the same network, it will work for internal IP's
127.0.0.1 won't work since you will then send packets to itself (localhost)
 
@ircmaxell I agree with this.
 
@Alex Whatever the server's address is, if it can be resolved normally (i.e. with a ping), it will be reached by fsockopen().
 
:-D
 
@Alex if the website is outside your network, you have to configure your router to use some portforwarding (ofcourse if your router supports it)
 
1:39 PM
@sectus I don't think it makes sense without the wording around it. Which is why I didn't do formalized UML
@Alex websockets are about all you'll be able to use, and it needs to be initiated by the client (the browser)
 
@igorw cool, will certainly help beginners. i'm probably still going to use the Controller as SL in 0.0.1 of everything i do anyways :)
 
@ircmaxell Huh?
Why?
 
NAT
a TCP session started at a server can't get through the vast majority of routers to the end computer
 
Won't a socket connection suffice?
 
you need a transport for a socket. TCP or UDP are about all you can use over the open internet. And nether will work server initiated for anything except to other servers
And that's where websockets come into play
it uses client originated HTTP to negotiate a socket...
 
1:47 PM
@ircmaxell , i like UML... it's make video more serious. But it's up to you. :^ )
 
it would also make it much harder to understand for the vast majority of my target audience
 
@ircmaxell If a server is listening on port 6667, won't I be able to reach it by sending a socket to address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:6667?
 
@MadaraUchiha Yes, the client can reach the server
 
Here's another neat idea for a PwA session, Websockets, @ircmaxell
 
1:48 PM
but that's not what he asked for: From the website I want to be able to send a string through tcp to the desktop application.
 
@MadaraUchiha Actually, that's not bad
 
20 mins ago, by Alex
Well, here's the deal. I have a website that i want to connect to a desktop application. The application hosts a tcp server/listener. From the website I want to be able to send a string through tcp to the desktop application.
@ircmaxell Yes, well, but he can send a request to the webserver, and the webserver acts as a client to the desktop listener, sending the request, and returning the data back to the client
 
@ircmaxell , of course, you know it better.
 
JavaScript ==AJAX==> PHP ==SOCKET==> Desktop
JavaScript <==AJAX_RESULT== PHP <==SOCKET== Desktop
 
1:51 PM
@MadaraUchiha the server (in the datacenter, the webserver in this case) can't initiate the connection. That was my point
Ok, I'm off. Later
 
@ircmaxell Of course it can! It can act as client in this case! By opening a socket connection to the listener!
Laterz
 
@MadaraUchiha Give it a try
 
@ircmaxell How do you explain PHP IRC bots in this case?
 
it won't work. It'll be blocked by the router (gateway) for the vast majority of desktop users. Look up NAT...
 
Anyone here played infinity blade 2?
 
1:52 PM
@MadaraUchiha the bot initiates the TCP connection to the server, which then sends data back and forth
 
@ircmaxell Isn't it the same here?
 
all I'm talking about is initiating the connection. Not what happens after it's opened
In computer networking, network address translation (NAT) is the process of modifying IP address information in IPv4 headers while in transit across a traffic routing device. The simplest type of NAT provides a one-to-one translation of IP addresses. RFC 2663 refers to this type of NAT as basic NAT, which is often also called a one-to-one NAT. In this type of NAT only the IP addresses, IP header checksum and any higher level checksums that include the IP address are changed. The rest of the packet is left untouched (at least for basic TCP/UDP functionality; some higher level protocols ma...
 
Me too, after you have the address and the port, assuming the receiving server's port isn't blocked and is forwarded properly, why wouldn't it work?
 
Hats off to all of you!

To elaborate my first description, I have a button on the website, that when pressed are supposed to be handled on the client application.

Please visit:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15730028/send-data-string-from-a-website-to-a-locally-hosted-tcp-server-listener

for the complete post.

Thanks guys!
Please ask me questions if i explained anything poorly!
 
> As described, the method enables communication through the router only when the conversation originates in the masqueraded network, since this establishes the translation tables. For example, a web browser in the masqueraded network can browse a website outside, but a web browser outside could not browse a web site in the masqueraded network. However, most NAT devices today allow the network administrator to configure translation table entries for permanent use.
@MadaraUchiha You can't assume the desktop's port is forwarded properly. in fact, it's likely not to be
alright, I really must bounce... Later
 
1:55 PM
@ircmaxell Aight, laters
 
just have the desktop app initiate the connection. am I missing something?
 
@igorw The action is initiated at the website.
The user clicks a button at the website, and something happens on the app
@Alex another solution would be to provide a common server, for both to check in
 
@moderators: Is this not a real question ? stackoverflow.com/questions/15561648/…
 
2:09 PM
@Alex , tv, must have connection with server and checks state.
 
@MadaraUchiha well, the desktop app can connect to the "event" server beforehand and wait for events. when the user clicks on something, the webserver sends a message to the event server, which then notifies the desktop app.
 
@Alex , phone must connect to server to change state.
 
@igorw That's what I'm saying, only that's not the setup he has, he has the desktop application as a server
 
Yeah, tv cannot be a server.
@MadaraUchiha : )
 
ok, I missed that part then. :) nevermind me
 
2:14 PM
Why I want the desktop application to act as a server and not a "globally hosted" one that both of the applications connect to is simply because,I cannot afford that data capacity.
 
@Alex Only you can't reach all computers inside of a network, and you can't expect a user to forwards their ports decently.
 
you'll probably need an intermediary that connects the two.
 
I know about the port forwarding issue, therefore i thought that it would work properly within the network, wouldn't it?
So the conclusion is that a website cannot connect to a desktop application locally?
 
@Alex Within the network it should be working.
 
Great! But the question persists, how?
 
2:17 PM
Assuming your firewall doesn't block the port or the application.
 
I have that part covered already!
 
Are you sure the address is correct? Try to ping it
Does it answer?
 
@alex just one question, how do you access your "website" ?
 
What do you mean? Data only needs to be sent from the website to the application, if that's what you're asking.
 
I've managed to connect to a local IRC server, so yes, it's possible.
@Alex By "the same network" Do you mean that the web-server is on the same network as the desktop application?
 
2:19 PM
Argh... so your website is within your network ?
 
Yes.
 
That means you don't have to portforward ...
I hope you're using a static IP for the webserver ?
 
@Alex What do you currently have? How do you try to connect so far? (Which is failing)
 
I have tried the default snippet for fsockopen, php.net/fsockopen
With the address 10.0.1.4 and port 8000, if that would somehow matter.
 
@Alex Could you paste the code?
Also, where is it failing? Do you manage to connect?
 
2:25 PM
I do not manage to connect, it times out.
 
1 min ago, by Madara Uchiha
@Alex Could you paste the code?
 
Just a minute :)
<?php
$fp = fsockopen("10.0.1.4", 8000, $errno, $errstr, 30);
if (!$fp) {
echo "$errstr ($errno)<br />\n";
} else {
$out .= "Hello World";
fwrite($fp, $out);
while (!feof($fp)) {
echo fgets($fp, 128);
}
fclose($fp);
}
?>

This is pretty much what I've tried in PHP.
 
@Alex And what do you get as an output?
 
Connection timed out, so nothing.
 
@Alex But you don't trigger the !$fp conditional, so that means that connection is established.
How are you testing this? Expecting to see the "Hello World" on the desktop app?
 
2:30 PM
Hold your horses! Haha.
The !$fp returns the error if the connection fails, right?

Yes. The server returns all the data that is received.
 
mornign
 
Mornign.
 
Well, I guess - other than that no data is received...
 
@Alex Hold on..
 
2:31 PM
@Alex No $fp doesn't return any error. It's either a resource or false
 
Let me correct something, the website says
"Warning: fsockopen() [function.fsockopen]: unable to connect to 10.0.1.4:8000 (Connection timed out) in /home/a2447397/public_html/gamelauncher/connect/index.php on line 2

Free Web Hosting
Connection timed out (110)"
 
@Alex What are you trying to access with 10.0.1.4:8000?
 
@Alex After waiting a bit, right? It doesn't happen right away
@PeeHaa He has a desktop application at that address listening to that port, and he's trying to connect to it.
 
That's correct, it takes a bit of time.
 
@MadaraUchiha Yeah. But that's not his ISP address
 
2:33 PM
I'm trying to do it locally.
 
@PeeHaa It's inside a network.
 
Why does it state "Free Web Hosting "
 
@Alex are your desktop and the PHP script in the same network?
 
That's the hosting company.

Yes.
 
it doesn't look like it
 
2:34 PM
no
 
Oh, sorry. No.
 
You cannot do that like that
 
The script is hosted on the webserver.
 
You are trying to access a resource on a totally different network
 
yeah, which is exactly why I said previously.
19 mins ago, by igorw
you'll probably need an intermediary that connects the two.
 
2:34 PM
I see that now.
 
@Alex We've been over this. The server and the application must be on the same network for this to work
 
My apologies.
 
It's your webserver (PHP) that's trying to connect, not the client (browser)
 
a server that listens on a TCP port, then both the desktop and the PHP script connect to it
 
Or setup nat
 
2:35 PM
I see that. Is there anyway to get the client to connect?
Sorry for all the trouble.
 
Setup nat to forward traffic on port 8000 to that machine
 
@Alex You can have the application periodically check with the server for button presses
@PeeHaa Don't think it's in his hands.
 
Why not?
NAT is set up at his place
 
PeeHaa, I'm trying to avoid that since it's going to be as userfriendly as possible.

Is that really efficient, Madara?
 
@PeeHaa Because the application is downloaded by a user, and you can't ask the user to setup NAT.
 
2:37 PM
port forwarding brings other issues as well though, like dynamic IPs changing. so you need to get some dyndns set up as well.
 
(facepalm)
 
@Alex You have a few options.
 
@Alex do you only have a single desktop app or multiple ones?
 
@MadaraUchiha It is true. I didn't read the transcript back :)
 
1. Periodically check with the webserver.
 
2:37 PM
@igorw unless he set up a static IP for his desktop
 
Are people still having dynamic ips? :(
 
2. Setup an event server, and have the application connect to it once. The server will push the update to the application.
 
Igorw, only one app.
 
@HamZaDzCyberDeV really depends on the ISP.
 
Just say you application will only work on ipv6 :P
 
2:38 PM
3. Have an intermediate server where both the webserver and the application connect to. The webserver pushes message to it, and it pushes the message back to the application.
Have I missed anything?
 
Please tell me more about the Event server.
 
@MadaraUchiha what's the difference between 2 and 3?
 
Or should I use good old google+
?*
 
@Alex You basically have the listener part of your application up at the server
 
So that's a intermediate choice as well?
 
2:40 PM
The application connects to it, and it will push the message back to the desktop application when an event happens
 
So the "client" part will take place in the users browser or what?
 
@igorw Basically the same thing, but it will work better if he wants a dedicated server with higher bandwidth.
 
I am trying to avoid the whole dedicated server thing.
Even though it might be easier, I do not have the resources for that.
 
@Alex You have two clients, and two servers (but the two servers are both located on the same machine)
The user presses the button on the website, which sends the data to PHP
 
2:42 PM
Roger that.
 
@MadaraUchiha he's running on free hosting. you probably can't set up a custom event server on free hosting.
 
I can at least check, I guess.
 
@igorw Hmm, that's a good point.
 
there's a couple hosted "push" solutions out there, but most of those are way too expensive.
 
So my options are
a) A dedicated server
b) The event server?
 
2:44 PM
@alex you could use elastic beanstalk (for at least a year)
 
Or c) Periodically check the webserver from the application.
 
Cloud computing?
Madara, so basically a database like mysql?
 
+1 for c)
polling is probably the easiest if you don't know how networks, VPS, socket programming, etc work.
and will work with crappy shared or even free hosting.
 
Please elaborate, Igorw.
 
"cloud" doesn't really matter, just will solve your issue of not enough resources bc you can get free tier for a year.
 
2:47 PM
@Alex the desktop app just hits the web app every few seconds to see if there is any news.
 
So the php script should write to i.e. a text file and then when polled, retrieve the correct value?
 
It won't be as responsive (by a few seconds), and the bandwidth it takes isn't really much (just a simple request, a few bytes each).
 
it could write to a text file, it could also just serve the latest value directly
 
@Alex Yes.
@igorw How would you do that without some sort of permanent storage?
 
@MadaraUchiha I'm assuming the value is stored in some sort of DB
 
2:50 PM
I have seen this as "a last way out" but it still seems like an acceptable one?
I have tried to check the amount of time it takes to do a poll like this and it's about 23ms so I guess I'm cool?
 
@igorw Well don't (he did suggest writing it to a text file, so I assume he's done nothing of this sort this far)
 
So a php script that writes to a textfile with the a) the local ip and b) a delimiter (for easy reading) and c) the event data, like "clicked"?
My free hosting company says that I have 100gb of bandwith, so that will work with the small polls?
Efficiently and sustainable?
 
@Alex It would make more sense for the button to have some sort of ID, which IDs the user (and the application)
The application will poll with that ID, and the server will fetch the correct status for that ID
 
One easy way to do this would be to have the string data lined up as I said before, and then encrypt the data with a generated key. Then try to decrypt all of the data and the data that works to decrypt is the final string?
Or is that just overkill?
 
2:57 PM
@Alex Here's a simple way to do it
A user gets an ID
You generate a hash from that ID
(sha1($user_id) is sufficient)
In the application, you need to know that ID
(either by logging in, or by writing it somewhere in the app (i.e. "Paste this in your application")
Then, the application polls using that hash
 
Sounds lovely!
 
The server keeps track of who pressed what, and if the user pressed the button, his hash is saved in a database
If the server receives a request using an app, it'll simply reply "1" or "0" based on whether the button was pressed for that user or not.
 
I would like to thank you soooooooo much!
Can I somehow rep you?
 
somewhere right now, a message queue silently weeps.
 
Hahahhaah
Thank you everyone, but especially Madara and Igorw!
I'm leaving now. Again, thank all of you for the time you took to help me.
 
3:32 PM
found a non-documented PHP 4->5 backwards incompatible change: 3v4l.org/rlX9L ^^
is this a bug or a feature?
 
@hakre by default, feature
 
@Ocramius yes I already added a patch for the docs.
however this is smells like fishsoupe
 
@hakre , some info about this
3
Q: Strange behavior of Reflection::getProperties() with numeric keys

One Trick Pony$obj = (object)array('a', 'b', 'c'); $refl = new \ReflectionObject($obj); $props = $refl->getProperties(\ReflectionProperty::IS_PUBLIC | \ReflectionProperty::IS_PROTECTED); foreach($props as $prop) print $prop->name; Prints some weird names, like line, file and line (instead of 1, ...

 
3:50 PM
@sectus yes, but the wrong original bug-report. However this does not explain why it changed in 5.0.0, why foreach offers those still and why the change was not documented.
 
4:12 PM
hmm each has a warning for object traversal, next, key, current and reset have not. Does it mean the last four are safe only each will give unexpected behaviour?
> Warning each() will also accept objects, but may return unexpected results. Its therefore not recommended to iterate though object properties with each().
 
does anyone know how to find local files on a server set up by a router (192.168.1.1) for example i go there and the logo url is 192.168.1.1/res/logo.gif, just dont know how i can locate it on my machine, im using like a wireless router stick
 
Does anyone here use WordPress? I am trying to create an algorithm using the post ID and the post second to get a single digit between 0 and 9, and then associate that digit with displaying one of ten different images in a directory.
 
@Connor you can use the HTTP URL to locate it. Isn't that already the answer?
@DenimMage And where do you hit the roadblock?
 
@hakre no,the question is how do i location on local system, not by http:// rather by file://
 
@Connor ah okay, check the configuration of the webserver, it has the document root. That is a directory on the harddisk.
 
4:33 PM
@hakre I don't know how to use the post ID or post time in a math function
 
@MadaraUchiha meta cv here ?
 
Why not? The more the merrier!
 
@hakre i cant find the document root, that's the problem
 
i think only 2 or 3 of us have privilege to cv on meta
 
@DenimMage You might be looking for modulo. If that is new to you see here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulo_operation and for PHP language see here: php.net/manual/en/language.operators.arithmetic.php
@NullPonyPointer I don't have.
 
4:35 PM
@hakre I'll read around. Thanks.
 
@Connor well as written, check the configuration of the webserver.
 
yup nor i ... only PeeHaa and Madara have >3k rep on meta
 
@Gordon's a mod there :P
 
@hakre the point is i cant find out where to do that?
 
I wonder if that's caught in the cv-backlog
 
4:36 PM
@Connor do you actually know which webserver is running there?
 
or are you using the router to forward a port?
 
@hakre i dont know anything about the server as i can find no reference to it
 
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15731738/mongodb-not-behaving-normally-on-abnormal-shutdown
 
@hakre it is a little stick router
 
4:37 PM
@Connor you have access to the file-system?
 
lol
@NullPonyPointer Seems like @phpNoOb went ahead
 
@hakre well the stick is in a usb and im on my PC so i assume so
 
@Connor well have you tried to search the file-system of the stick for a file named logo.gif then?
 
yes iv searched the WHOLE PC
 
4:41 PM
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15729086/insert-each-array-into-separate-divs
 
@Connor well, I mean the stick, not the PC's harddisks.
 
@hakre lol
 
but probably it's time to contact the support of the sticks vendor about that.
Because like you I can only guess. I don't know these sticks in-and-out I must admit.
function get_real_object_vars($obj) {
    return (array) $obj;
}
 
@hakre well is there anyway of finding server info via command line, ive searched google but cant find much on it
 
4:47 PM
MUST. HAVE. OVER. 9000. METAREP
3
MUST. NOT. RESORT. TO. REPWHORING!
 
@MadaraUchiha Y 9000 ?
 
I'm actually aiming for 10k, so I can see the damn deleted answers already
but OVER 9000!!!!!!!!
 
@Connor you can try to detect the server with a network sniffer or network scanner. I know that nmap can do that.
 
@MadaraUchiha which answer of your's deserve bounty ?
 
it does not always work but often reveals some more info at least.
 
@hakre Cheers, will look into it :D
!!/tel someone jquery get
 
@MadaraUchiha i am afraid that if it will deleted you will lose 500 bounty too ...
 
@NullPonyPointer Good point
 
@MadaraUchiha 23 hour to go :)
 
@NullPonyPointer :P Thanks
 
4:55 PM
@MadaraUchiha yw .. i know you are doing better than me on meta
far far better
 
:P
Meta rep cap ftw
IT'S OVER 9000!
 
Anonymous
5:17 PM
Any good reason why the HTML form method='' attribute is by default made GET? It seems logical that POST gets precedent.
 
@phpNoOb you'd better dust off some w3 history books for that :P
 
Any of you guys use PHP Storm?
 
Anonymous
@kaᵠ hmmm, OK.
 
@ErickRobertson I do, not for PHP though (For JavaScript)
 
hmm... I'm wondering about PHP refactoring capabilities
 
5:21 PM
@ErickRobertson from what I hear, amazing. ITT there's a 30 day trial you can try for free.
 
@phpNoOb what all i can say is This attribute specifies which HTTP method will be used to submit the form data set. Possible (case-insensitive) values are "get" (the default) and "post". See the section on form submission for usage information. w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#h-17.3
 
@phpNoOb No, it seems very illogical that post will be the default. Read the spec
@phpNoOb If you intent to change something on the server (which you shouldn't do with GET to begin with because it is idempotent) you should be explicit about it.
 
@phpNoOb it depends on requirement
 
get, head, post, put, delete
 
5:25 PM
patch, options, etc
 
trace <3
 
Each has its place, the only place where there is room for interpretation is when to use put and when to use patch
Yeah, trace
Although I think PUT/POST/PATCH is ambiguous, then again that's just because I don't like the idea of upsert
 
Speaking of POST...
 
@phpNoOb not sure but you may like this
 
I have been wondering, is POST actually more secure than GET? I mean secure in the way of sniffing over a local network
Like, if I was submitting a password via a form as a POST request, could someone on an unsecured network see that password unencrypted?
 
@BenYep Not at all, it's not about security
@BenYep POST is exactly as secure as GET
@BenYep Also yes, if you submit a password over POST, not over HTTPS it could be easily intercepted. There are even free programs that do that for you.
 
Then, the only reason that I would use 'get' is to make input easier to access clientside?
Well then, my next question is, why wouldn't I just encrypt my own data before I send it, rather than paying up for an SSL?
 
@BenYep No, that's not what the difference between GET and POST means at all -_-
 
@BenYep sorry post useful when we are using ssl
 
Maybe I should
 
5:33 PM
@BenYep GET means you're making a request to retrieve data. It should do nothing except retrieve data. Examples for get are article links, SO question links, search results ETC.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum sorry its quite long to say i have written about it you can check brightmeup.info/articles/6/Choosing-GET-and-POST-request-method
 
read that article
 
@BenYep GET is idempotent, this is what it means
@NullPonyPointer that page takes forever to load, thought I'd let you know
 
Hahaha, well, I won't waste your time
i'll read it now
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum but for me its working fine ?
 
5:34 PM
@NullPonyPointer Assuming it's your website, I wanted to let you know. It loaded, but the DOMLoaded event fired after 15 seconds
@NullPonyPointer (assuming it's your website)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yes its mine ... gonna check this
thankyou
 
np
@NullPonyPointer it was probably just a DNS issue, loads just fine after refresh, even when cleaning cache.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum may be i have crap hosting ...
 
well
that's pretty straightforward, nice article. I knew all of that already though, except that it is indeed not at all secure in an HTTP connection.
 
@BenYep ty ... and thats what i wanted to say .
 
5:42 PM
@BenYep read up on what a certification authority is and why they exist.
 
@BenYep POST doesn't leave a trace in your 'browsing history' as opposed to get, so that's a bit more secure
 
the short version of why it won't work is: how do you exchange a secret key without it being intercepted?
 
I know that one
it's a garuntee to users that your connection is encrypted, and usually insured
 
and the short answer is: without a pre-arranged key, you can't. which is exactly what CAs do. they provide a pre-established chain of trust.
 
I thought about it, I get that it is the only truly secure way to send something to the sever. Makes me regret logging into my admin account at school for my site :/
Right, cause if you just hacked some encryption together in javascript, a savvy user can just opt-out
any free SSLs? :P I doubt it.
 
5:49 PM
 
Sweet
when it says that eveyrhting but the domain name and email address is 'unverified'
what does that mean?
Can I trust that they will not peek at any unencrypted data?
 
Lol
i'm laughing because I am usually good at researching before I ask, but chat is different..
 
@BenYep it just means that the CA did not verify the identity of the cert holder. it's still encrypted.
 

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