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9:00 PM
it's just playing mind games
 
user1182183
gotta love the wayback machine when google cache is null
 
Ell
and it seems I'm back again
sleep and I don't seem to get on
 
sbi
One hell of an instrument.
 
dat pun
 
Ell
9:11 PM
Woah that's cool
 
sbi
@Ell Sleep is a sneaky one. You need to bewitch her, pamper her, lure her into routine, or she'll drop you into the hands of insomnia in an eye blink. The earlier you learn this, the better for you. (You will have to learn eventually, or you'll go down all the way miserably.)
@DeadCicada Punny, innit?
Well, speaking of which... I need to get up in 6.5hrs, so I better get some sleep now, too.
Bye!
 
user1182183
and for all the freaking hours of asking and googling the easy solution was "NumLocker" with Always On/Off options :o for both caps lock and num lock
 
@sbi G'night. Oh, and hi all! :-)
 
user1182183
(and scroll lock but what the heck is it used for these days?)
 
@GamErix "these days"? So you think it might have been useful at one time?
 
user1182183
9:15 PM
@JerryCoffin why was it invented then :o it HAD an function, now not.
 
user1182183
Scroll lock (⇳) is an antiquated keyboard button (often with an associated status light) on some computer keyboards. The key is infrequently used, and therefore some keyboards lack Scroll Lock altogether. The Scroll Lock key was meant to lock all scrolling techniques, and is a remnant from the original IBM PC keyboard, though it is not used by most modern-day software. In the original design, Scroll Lock was intended to modify the behavior of the arrow keys. When the Scroll Lock mode was on, the arrow keys would scroll the contents of a text window instead of moving the cursor. In this us...
 
@GamErix It sort of had a function, yes. That doesn't mean it was useful though.
 
user1182183
@JerryCoffin for me it looked useful when having no mouse
 
user1182183
However yes the mouse was invented very fast
 
@GamErix I did quite a bit of work on PCs well before mice were common. The only software I recall that paid any attention to the scroll lock at all was the BIOS, and it did so in a basically useless fashion (scroll lock basically just stopped all output until you realized it had gotten bumped and turned it back off).
 
user1182183
9:19 PM
@JerryCoffin as for "scrolling with arrow keys OR moving the text cursor with arrow keys" it's nice to be able to toggle that, or am I wrong? :S
 
@GamErix It has good points -- but I don't know of any software that used the scroll lock to actually do that. Most used control-arrow.
 
user1182183
@JerryCoffin ah ok. I did't have a PC in the times when there were no mouses, I even didn't exist yet xF
 
huh
I think I might finally have found a substance that can treat stomach pain
guess what it is
 
@DeadMG Cocaine.
 
alcohol, actually
 
Ell
9:26 PM
chocolate?
oh alcohol
 
well, my parents bought me some Baileys for my birthday
and I've been drinking a bit of it
and it seems to be working
to a small extent
 
Ell
Bailey's is chocolaty, right?
 
not really
more creamy
 
Ell
I've never had
you should try chocolate milk and brandy
 
nah
not a brandy guy
 
9:31 PM
@DeadMG Baileys is awesome
 
Ell
@deadcicada can you buy high percentage absynth in France?
 
user1182183
@Ell France has limitations? ; o
 
Ell
absinthe
UK does IIRC
 
absynthe, isn't it ?
 
@Ell What do you mean?
AFAIK the strongest alcohol that is made in France is about 70°
 
9:34 PM
@DeadCicada Tastes like shit.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Funny, because I really hate beer but love Baileys.
 
user1182183
anyway thanks everyone for their help and Im going to sleep now, after a week off, school starts again tomorrow >_>
 
@EtiennedeMartel oh, now we know how shit tastes, thanks
 
I find Baileys to be one of those things you can't have just a small amount of
 
Ell
@deadcicada well I don't think you can buy it in the UK because its too high percentage
 
9:37 PM
you can get Abs in UK, just not that common to see it
 
Ell
@gam Nighty night
oh right
 
A lot of countries had banned due to the worm wood, but the UK never did, because it had never caught on back then. I think it's rather rare to find it with the worm wood now days
 
Ell
worm wood?
 
Might be 'ye old' name for it
it was what was added that (supposedly) gave it the hallucinogenic properties
 
Ell
ooh cool
 
9:39 PM
Oh, I still got some beer in the fridge.
 
Didn't enjoy drinking it in the Parisian way, though the Czech way sounds tasty
 
Careful all -- the moderator(s) have found us... :-)
 
because I flagged for one
 
what for this time?
 
hours ago
some silly flamewar I couldn't bin out
 
9:43 PM
@DeadMG o_0
 
Ell
yeah the whole racism thing too
 
You're still talking about it?
 
yeah, I have no idea what I'm looking at. So much stuff in the transcript. Tempting to just ban the room and move on. ;)
 
Ell
no, a mod just arrived so
hello Anna :D
 
@AnnaLear awesome plan!
 
Ell
9:45 PM
are moderators SO employees? or community voted in?
 
@Ell Some of them are SO employees, some others are volunteers voted and/or appointed I think.
 
@Ell Depends.
 
@Ell employees are (sometimes) moderators, but moderators are never employees.
 
Community voted
 
I had to give up my community moderator spot when I got hired.
 
9:46 PM
<claps hands above head>
 
@AnnaLear No Anna noooo!
 
But I still have a diamond (except on all sites now) because it's needed for me to do my job.
 
Ell
right okay, so the employed ones get payed and stuff and its like a proper job?
 
so as we have a mod in here, shall we post some boobs so they can be removed?
 
I might as well post penises then.
 
9:47 PM
@Ell yeah, but we don't get paid to moderate sites like Stack Overflow.
@thecoshman @DeadCicada Aw, don't make me do actual work on a Sunday.
 
@DeadCicada indeed, we are not sexist here
 
Ell
you dont? why not?
 
@Ell because we have community moderators elected by the community. :)
 
and we have other stuff to do (like manage the other 80+ sites in the network)
@thecoshman My favourite!
 
Ell
9:48 PM
right okay, so you get payed to mod the less popular sites with no community mods?
 
@AnnaLear ah, forget those, only this room matters
 
@Ell There's CM on all communities I believe.
 
@Ell among other things
 
It just wouldn't be fair to pay the employees but not the community-elected ones, I believe.
 
20
Q: Who are the Community Managers, and what do they do?

jcolebrandWho are the Community Managers? What do they do? What is their relationship to the "Community" user? Return to FAQ index

 
9:49 PM
@thecoshman you move @DeadCicada
 
@thecoshman I'm afraid I can't do much against that.
 
Ell
right okay :) and I will read that link
 
@DeadCicada no penises to hand?
 
@thecoshman I don't know any bird who's name is penis
 
Ell
@anna Woah you are one of five :o I feel privelaged to be in your presence :P
 
9:51 PM
@thecoshman Tits!
6
 
@DeadCicada well, I think we can let you use non scientific names for the Gentleman vegetables
 
@thecoshman ._. I think I'll pass
 
@AnnaLear nice, but quit there. Tempted to flag for low effort :P
 
@Ell hahah thanks
 
@ScottW Steven Fry, I believe
@DeadCicada surely not?
 
Ell
9:53 PM
I remember doing a poet about a "vegetable growth" aka an erection in English
 
@thecoshman I'm not sure I want to enrich my english vocabulary with synonyms of penis, you know.
 
@DeadCicada but what more could you want to do with the English language?
 
Alright, so. Far as the flag I saw goes... It's Sunday. A nice day out. Let's all avoid flamewars, insults, and other violations of Wheaton's Law. :P If you find yourself drawn into one or someone's pissing you off, there's a handy ignore feature in chat.
 
obviously, synonyms of vagina
 
Wait wth... I come back and I see a conversation about tits with a moderator. Um...
 
9:54 PM
@AnnaLear this is the last place you need to say that :P
 
@Mysticial Sounds about right for Lounge<C++>.
 
@Insilico Exactly... :)
 
@AnnaLear Are the guys of the SO team more or less obsessed with porn / sex / reproduction of some sort too?
 
Ell
@scott hehe oops. poem I meant :L
 
@DeadCicada Only if it involves unicorns.
 
9:55 PM
@Ell Did you use the word "turgid" or any of its variations anywhere in the poem?
 
Unicorn porn/sex?
 
Uniporn!
 
nooooooo
 
@AnnaLear the spiral ridges make for great pleasure
 
@DeadCicada Not to contradict Anna, but having spoken to Shog9 in person, I can vouch for his being fairly normal (i.e., yes, he is).
 
9:56 PM
Okay, I'm gonna go away now. =) Enjoy the rest of your preferred time of day, folks.
 
tata
 
oh @DeadCicada I found something that made me think of you (not sexual I swear!)
WHAT! no one box!
 
Ell
turgid is a good word
 
Turgor pressure pushes the plasma membrane against the cell wall of plant, bacteria, and fungi cells as well as those protist cells which have cell walls. This pressure, turgidity, is caused by the osmotic flow of water from area of low solute concentration outside of the cell into the cell's vacuole, which has a higher solute concentration. Healthy plant cells are turgid and plants rely on turgidity to maintain rigidity. In contrast, this phenomenon is not observed in animal cells which have no cell walls to prevent them from being burst by the flow of water into the cell and must either c...
 
@JerryCoffin Sounds suspicious
 
9:57 PM
@ScottW cock-ROACH
 
@DeadCicada What's suspicious about it?
 
@Ell Your mentioning of "vegetable growth" and "erection" made me think of "turgor pressure". :-P
 
> resize2fs 1.42.5 (29-Jul-2012)
> The file system at /dev/sda2 is mounted on / ; size change must be done on-line
> resize2fs: On-line size reduction is not supported
what.
 
from the sounds of it, you have the drive mounted at the files system will not let you resize it whilst it is
solution, unmount
 
I can't unmount /
also lol @ chat
 
10:00 PM
@DeadCicada ¬_¬ unmount /dev/sda2
 
@thecoshman Same thing
Bah i'll just run a livecd
 
ah
yeah, I always resize with a live disc
 
@DeadCicada That's quite a sentence when taken out of context. :-P
 
what you shrinking drive sizes for any way?
 
10:02 PM
My ext4 file system is taking 35 GB when it only has 12 GB of data.
 
and?
 
Ell
that is weird o.O
 
And it's a virtual file system (aka it's stored in a file). So I'm losing space on the host system.
 
@DeadCicada o_0 what mad ass set up you running?
 
@DeadCicada It was either preallocated, or it was 35GB at some point and then data got removed from it.
Virtual filesystems are almost never shrunk.
 
10:07 PM
^ That's it.
 
It's potentially destructive.
 
That's why I'm shrinking it, so I can compact the host file.
 
Safer way to go is to create a new one, dump the data, and remove the old one.
 
Hm that's a good idea.
I might as well do that in fact.
 
Ell
probably easier anyway
 
10:09 PM
to be fair, if you are fighting to regain like 20 GB of space, I think you need to buy your self a bigger hard drive
 
I have 3 TB
 
then what is the point in reclaiming a few GB?
 
I'm not buying a new HDD at these mad prices.
Idk, I hate space loss? lol
 
Ell
my hard drive is either faulty, partitioned incorrectly or I got conned
its 1tb, but 3 things report the size of it as significantly less
 
it's less then 1% of your drive space? it's such a small amount, you can write it of as a rounding error
@Ell is it 1tb, 1Tb, 1tB or 1TB?
and are you talking marketing size or actual size?
any way, I am going to hit the sack
 
10:12 PM
@Ell You probably know that already but, market units = TB, OS units = TiB
 
in the morning, CV's will will travel
 
will will
 
a new form a travel, you give it to a person named will and let them sort out the rest
 
Ell
@thecoshman Nighty night
 
like I tried to say, night all
 
Ell
10:13 PM
@deadcicada yeah, I think the drive is just botched
 
Night'
 
Ell
a 1tb drive shouldn't be reported as 300gb
anyway that's for another time when I can be arsed
 
@Ell Uh. No.
 
Ell
ugh maths test tomorrow
but I cbaaa
aghh I'm dropping off
can't stay awake
Nighty night :)
 
@sbi pun! :-)
 
10:25 PM
hello all, could anyone help me with some questions about complexity of algorithms?
 
Depends. Ask and we'll see?
 
@BumSkeeter "could"? Maybe. "Would"? Probably not, unless something makes your question more interesting than: "bubble sort is O(N^2), right?"
 
ok
i would like to know the worst case complexity for comparison based aglorithms, and for adjacent key comparison algorithms. Is it O(n log n) for each?
well O(log(n!)) = Theta(n log n) for comparsion based, but what about adjacent key?
Errrrr O(log(n!)) = Omega(n log n)
 
O(N log N) is the best you can do for comparison-based sorting. Not completely certain what you mean by "adjacent key [comparison]".
oop -- crying baby. Gotta go for a while. Later all.
 
thank you Jerry
 
user406009
10:34 PM
Seems like I need some advice from people who are more experienced in the whole alcohol thing. Is speaking thickly a sign of being drunk?
 
thickly?
slurring?
 
@ScottW Mmmm I remember you posting about that game earlier, I think
 
user406009
@BumSkeeter Probably. All I have are the words of this annoying author. "He spoke very thickly."
 
i think headphone wires (plugged into laptop which one must move about) must be responsible for a lot of coffee accidents. my brother in law has wireless headphones. are they any good/bad?
 
@Lalaland well yes it does become difficult to talk when you are drunk
but it depends on who is talking, your experience, and the amoutn fo alcohol youve drank
 
10:38 PM
@Lalaland it can be, but it can also be symptom of e.g. diabetes shock or heart attack, or simply dialect
@Lalaland maybe aroused or angry?
 
@Lalaland Generally, yes.
 
user406009
I guess it is a plausible argument then. Thanks.
 
@ScottW Congratulations :)
 
@ScottW hurray for scott, one of the lounge's successful game creators!
 
The only one*
I still have this assignment to do. Please shoot me.
 
10:43 PM
I have another question to pose what is the smallest worst case complexity for computing the maximum and minimum elements in an list of even size n? Is it not just n-1 for either case?
because, you look at the first element, compare with each other element, then you done
 
@BumSkeeter if it is a sorted Python list, it's constant time, O(1)
 
so n-1 traversels of the algorithm
yes for a sorted list the answer is trival
 
you also have to take into account whether you're descended from Teela Brown
 
what.
 
if so, then mathematical analysis may not yield an accurate answer
 
user406009
10:45 PM
@BumSkeeter
Couldn't you also make your own wrapper class for std::vector that would check each element as it is added? O(1) min/max with O(1) per element one time adding cost.
 
Teela Brown is a fictional character created by Larry Niven in the Ringworld novels. Teela was a member of the crew recruited by Puppeteer Nessus for an expedition to the Ringworld. Her sole qualification was that she was descended from "lucky" ancestors, six generations of whom were born as a result of winning Earth's Birthright Lottery. The Puppeteer saw this as a kind of artificial selection, tending to breed for a psionic power of good luck. He hoped Teela would bring luck and success to the entire expedition. Teela is a descendent of a former lover of Louis Wu. Her age in Ringworld ...
I think, the sheer improbability of the plots in those novels, combined with their huge success, tends to prove that the author must have been pretty lucky?
@Lalaland yes it all depends on how much knowledge one has about the data. keeping information instead of throwing it away is often a good strategy. but it does have its own cost, both for execution efficiency and for development time...
 
no
it proves that he was pretty fucking funny
 
@JerryCoffin all the useless keys are still on this keyboard, but they have removed [Break].
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Ahh...
 
11:04 PM
Man.
I went to a concert today and I met the singer of my favorite band.
It was awesome.
Mosh pits are funnier than I thought.
 
Sounds gross.
 
Well, people did throw beer.
But beer is good for your hair.
 
it makes me drunk
Anyone know what a general formula for these might be?
1^11 + 2^11 + … + n^11 ~ ? n + 2n^2 + … + 10n^10 ~ ?
 
@BumSkeeter C2H6O
 
@daknøk And some H2O
 
11:12 PM
@BumSkeeter n^11 & (n=1...) kn^k (k =1...) is that what you're asking?
 
hi all
 
hi noisy
Wrocław? I have family near Wrocław.
 
Can I ask one of topic question? I need small help native english speaker
Olawa to be precise... but this is 30km from Wrocław :)
 
@noisy Ask @DeadMG. I think he's the only one who fits the definiton here.
 
@noisy ±10/10 topics here are not related to C++, if that’s what you mean by “off topic”.
 
11:15 PM
@daknøk (More like 9.5/10, but yeah, rounding)
 
the question is not difficult ;)

is phrase "new kind of reading" or "new kind of read" (which BTW refers to e-readers ) is natural for natives?
 
I’m getting some paracetamol for my head.
 
it's a new kind of reading
new kind of read is just dafuq
 
@noisy It's easier if you include the full sentence, but "reading" is probably what you want here. You might want "new way of reading" though.
 
new kind of read what?
that's certainly as to use as to go so far as to look so like
 
11:18 PM
I will be honest... i am wondering about translating my polish blog to English... and first of all I need to find proper name :)
 
"A new kind of read that performs better than older versions"
 
@noisy What exactly do you mean by "a new kind of read"?
 
@noisy Another one from Lower Silesia, huh
 
Polish invasion!
 
11:19 PM
Kinda.
 
@Borgleader yes
 
@DeadCicada: I don't know why, but I thought that this will be correct :D
@Griwes: are you from Lower Silesia too? :)
 
@noisy The problem is, what is "a new kind of read" (e-readers? the device?)
 
I am. As is Cat (or he studies here, at least).
 
@DeadCicada: Blog is going to be about e-readers..
I don't want to use name any of brand..
 
11:22 PM
Paracetamol y u so bitter. U supposed to make me feel better, not more miserable and more full of pain and sorrow.
 
user406009
"A new kind of reading" seems to be the best fit.
 
"A new kind of reading" sounds a bit awkward to me, idk why (what do you natives think?)
 
@Lalaland: how wrong it will be to have domain without "A" at the begining?
 
Woohoo finally got a wireless router suggestion from tomshardware -.-;
 
as the only native here
I can tell you that it is "A new kind of reading"
and "A new kind of read" is incredibly terribly groan-inducingly wrong
2
 
user406009
11:23 PM
"The future of reading" sounds even better.
 
unless "read" happens to be the name of something, like a function called read or something like that.
 
user406009
@noisy I don't think it would matter much for the domain name, but "New kind of reading" as a title for an article or blog sounds incorrect.
 
I wonder can I drop "A" from "A new kind of reading" - newKindOfReading.com
@Lalaland: sounds... or it is incorrect? Are you native speaker of English?
 
hmm
you could probably drop it from the domain name, but I wouldn't drop it anywhere else
 
user406009
I am a native English speaker, but a lot less educated than DeadMG.
 
11:27 PM
@DeadMG I'm not saying "a new kind of read" is correct, I'm saying "a new kind of reading" doesn't sound too good either.
 
@DeadCicada It's absolutely correct.
 
I'm not saying it's not!
I'm saying it sounds weird.
 
I know one thing..
 
In the moment of intense discussion, I would like to direct everyone to the chat's title ;)
 
probably just because you're not a native speaker
 
11:29 PM
possibly
 
domain might be incorrect... but should be easy to remember :)
 
I would have said something like "A new way of reading" rather than kind
 
domains are different
for one, everyone has to have a unique domain
so people usually don't groan too hard at bad domain names
 
user406009
Unless the domain name is ExpertS-exChange.com
 
Or penisland.com
 
11:31 PM
that domain must be worth a fortune now
 
@BumSkeeter sounds like homework
 
"A new kind of reading" - 383,000 hits in google
"A new way of reading" - 286,000 hits in google
 
google hits are irrelevant
 
@noisy Listen to the dog, he's a native - I'm not
"A new kind of reading experience" bothers me less than "a new kind of reading". ahwell
 
i read "a new kind of science" a few times. it is like the gödel, escher bach book: it's a great book, even physically, but it gets dull very fast. so you have to force yourself to read on because you know there's something worthwhile umpteen pages ahead.
 
11:34 PM
A new kind of wanking.
 
i wish there could have been a reader's digest version
 
OpenGL y u impossible to debug.
 
@daknøk Because triangles, that's why.
 
@DeadCicada It's probably the kind of thing that's technically incorrect, but everybody says it anyway, so the native speakers don't have a problem, and the foreigners are like, "That's incorrect!"
 
Weirdest C++ question of the week:
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Q: Is there a way to change type int to type char by prototyping?

user1728737I am making a project. This is a function declaration in a separate file. void PrintLines(int characterValue, int characterCount, int lineCount) When I prototype in my main file I use: void PrintLines(char characterValue, int characterCount, int lineCount); This will not compile. Are there ...

honestly my I have restrictions due to help me learn. But it seems to waste time and make me frustrated. — user1728737 2 mins ago
Er... what?
 
11:37 PM
@Insilico Probably some kind of assignment.
Anyway, I'm gonna get a new kind of sleeping right now. See you!
 
@DeadCicada Have fun!
 
@DeadCicada isn't any sleeping at all a new kind of sleeping?
 
one more question... is this means something in english (acronyms):

ANKORE - a new kind of reading experince
ANKOR - a new kind of reading
ANWOR - a new way of reading
?
 
@Insilico Not everyone is fluent in English.
 
bye @DeadCicada :)
 
11:40 PM
@EtiennedeMartel That's not the issue. The issue being the strange requirements the OP is presenting in said question.
 
@Insilico Yeah. Standard issue XY problem.
 
@DeadCicada G'night.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Your comment about the XY problem pretty much sums up my reaction to the question.
 
@noisy No, none of those have any meaning that I'm aware of.
 
Man.
Today was the best day of my life.
 
11:46 PM
@noisy I'd try to shorten it a bit. I think just "a new reading experience" is better than any of the above (expanded to "ebooks: a new reading experience". If I was writing a blog (or something like that) I'd probably change that slightly, to: "ebooks: the new reading experience".
 
lucky for some
I'm so fucking sick
 
@daknøk Wow! Congratulations.
 
and it's birfday
 
@DeadMG A good friend of mine also has her birfday.
 
@daknøk I have to admit, I'm a little puzzled though -- wasn't it like half an hour ago you were complaining about feeling crappy and being ready to take drugs to feel better, but now suddenly it's the best day of your life? Seems like rather a sudden change...
 
11:49 PM
@JerryCoffin I took the drugs and now I feel better.
So now I don’t complain anymore.
 
@daknøk Ah, I see. They must be more effective with you than me. Usually after I take drugs, I feel less crappy, but still not competing with the best day of my life (which was, in case anybody cares, March 23, 1988, though my sons' birthdays are extremely close second places).
 
You know.
Yesterday was the best day of my life.
And I got a headache today, and it’s 1:54 AM now.
Also, you can have a headache on the best day of your life.
 
@JerryCoffin What happened on that day?
 
@DeadMG Freedom! (I.e., I was discharged from the Air Force).
 

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