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8:00 PM
Whenever I see Stroustrup's first edition book I see a wizard and a wave.
 
@CatPlusPlus If you write nothing else, you get nothing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just drop the minus. Never really had much difficulty with that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Would you like it to return entire internet except walls?
 
@Rapptz I never have problems searching for C++ stuff, searching for C is a lot harder though, because it yields a lot of C++ results
 
@StackedCrooked Erm, Wall doesn't really work.
@CatPlusPlus Yes!
 
8:01 PM
That would probably kill your browser.
 
You need to provide a little context: "gcc warning Wall" or something.
 
Too much porn.
 
Oh well. Their loss :)
 
Access denied.
 
@sehe 403 is not Food for Thought.
 
8:01 PM
"This guy is a programmer, obviously he doesn't want walls." "But I wanted to do some renovating!"
 
It's super small font too.
 
Also woop woop woop I fixed iOS crapp so it doesn't crash anymore.
By guessing and sprinkling thread synchronization everywhere it crashed!
 
afk
 
@CatPlusPlus How surprising.
 
I'm truly the master of duct taping.
Also everyone involved with iOS/OSX/Obj-C is an idiot.
> No Crashes Yet
Fuck yeah.
It survived 4 minutes of testing, GOOD ENOUGH
 
8:04 PM
lol
 
Why are you making an iOS app?
 
@CatPlusPlus The last time I worked with them, I became convinced they weren't idiots at all -- but hated programmers and were actively trying to make them miserable.
 
Well, I hate them, too.
I'm fixing iOS crapps currently mostly.
I've never done iOS before August.
I was happier back then.
 
Were you fixing Android apps earlier too?
 
I still am.
Deadline kinda slipped, because it was supposed to be done at the end of July.
Welp.
 
8:06 PM
Kinda.
 
lol
 
You could get drunk. Then you won't care about that deadline.
 
@CatPlusPlus Slipped just a bit, eh?
 
Client is cool, though, and they know the entire codebase is shit.
It was developed by one idiot for over a year.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm sure he doesn't care any more.
 
8:07 PM
Before the client almost gone bankrupt and decided to bring the entire system to us.
 
So what do you work as?
 
It's unbelievably shitty.
That's what happens when you outsource to morons.
 
@Rapptz VP of Duct Taping.
 
@Rapptz Webdev. :v
 
99.99% of code is crap.
 
Ell
8:08 PM
hmmph. mass spectrometer
 
I'm good enough to not have a job title.
 
I always thought web dev was pretty bad.
 
It is.
I have a modification to an Unity project in the pipeline now.
In addition to the mobile things and web things.
 
I wonder if Windows Phone 8 development will be shitty.
The screenshot they gave when VS2012 was released didn't look bad.
 
@Rapptz Yes.
 
8:12 PM
 
@Rapptz WPF is certainly better than the other two.
 
Noo, why C++
 
@Rapptz Their code samples have two-phase initialization.
 
woohoo I see a singleton there!
 
oh, Christ, and a Singleton.
 
8:13 PM
It's shitty alright.
 
I thought Microsoft were supposed to hire high?
 
They hired high.
Too high to design. :v
 
It was the only screenshot I could find lol
The OS isn't even out yet.. let alone the SDK.
 
It already sucks.
 
8:14 PM
right
what should I cover after variadic templates and SFINAE?
 
kinda tempted to do a bit on Unicode, actually.
 
Why are there numbers next to your links in your tutorial?
 
because it has zero to do with the language
 
- Compiler 372
- Debugger 199
- Source Control 230
- Dialects 451
- C++11 110
- Goals 504

1866
 
8:17 PM
unfortunately, it's not too possible to code without knowing at least the basics of Unicode- especially in C++
@Rapptz Word counts.
 
Wow that's little. Still neat though.
 
Ell
@DeadMG get a good website! (design wise)
even just a wordpress with the tutorials on it
 
@Rapptz Hey, that version still totals 22,500
 
8:19 PM
and I've whipped up a few more since then
@MooingDuck I know.
 
@DeadMG no, I mean, just link to it :P
 
@MooingDuck Nah, I need a C++-specific perspective- how the Standard doesn't really provide any useful support for it, for example.
 
Good luck on it.
 
@DeadMG 30 words
 
I'm going to go take a nap.
 
8:21 PM
Ok, no robot: Have fun
 
@DeadMG Standard bashing!
@DeadMG Say they're from a time when dinosaurs roamed the earth.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I actually intend to spend quite a few pages detailing how iostreams are a complete failure.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The other 19 budgeted words were to allow the subtle allusion to donkey cocks as well
 
Ell
@DeadMG please do that because I still don't get it
 
@MooingDuck FTR, there are a few inaccuracies in that article (it's still good, though)
 
8:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Like?
 

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Darn cat gave me a heart attack. He slammed the lid of the piano closed. Weehooo. Adrenaline, we meet again!
 
Ell
@sehe you have a piano?
a grand piano?
 
@sehe @CatPlusPlus is at your house?
 
I'm sure this is on SO somewhere, but I can't find it ... is omitting a return statement (in a value returning function) UB in C89? (I'm assuming it is, since any code I can find that does this relies on x86 calling convention.)
 
8:29 PM
@sehe Dude, you can decapitate someone with a falling grand piano lid...
 
@Ell Erm. Yes that too
 
@DeadMG Mentioning there's no limit to the Unicode repertoire, that UTF-8 goes up to six bytes...
 
@EtiennedeMartel Erm. Not that I'm aware
 
Minor stuff, that may be related to age.
 
Ell
@sehe oh my gosh you are a lucky man. I want one! Do you play?
 
8:30 PM
@Ell Very well, if I may say so.
 
@Ell You might think so, really :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes So I see.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes @sehe What songs do you play?
 
@DeadMG All in all, it's still linkable.
 
Music songs.
 
8:31 PM
@Ell I don't play. I was referring to @sehe's skills.
 
@Ell Classical and jazz
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ahh okay :L have you heard him then?
@sehe cool :) How long ahve you been playing?
 
@Ell He played for us on Mumble before.
 
Next coming up is a nice 'Carmina Burana' in the version for 2 pianists and precussion (and obviously... choir)
 
Ell
aww man I missed it :( serves me right for not being on mumble :(
 
8:32 PM
@Ell Today? Only ~4.5 hours
 
Ell
4.5 hours practise?
 
It's almost more than I've been awake.
 
Ell
I'm lucky to be bothered to practise at all in a day
 
@Ell Rehearsal as well. A trombonist came to jam at my place. That was the morning. In the afternoon I practiced a bit - the Carmina thing, figuring out parts, making notes
 
Ell
I have just learned Gymnopedie, Une comptine d'une autre ete, and I'm learning The heart asks for pleasure first now
Ahh well piano players are awesome so well done :D
 
8:35 PM
@Ell Very related, the latter. Satie is not too difficult right
@Ell Erm, well, don't generalize :)
 
Jun 9 at 1:32, by sehe
http://downloads.sehe.nl/stackoverflow/Mondschein_reduced.mpg - inflicted on y'all
 
Ell
haha, and yeah he is not too difficult. I am only grade 2 standard though
 
Aww, 404s.
 
Ell
dayum
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Mmm. I must have uploaded directly to vps. Which get's uni-directionally mirrored from my home server thingie - making it temp
 
Ell
8:37 PM
does anyone happen to know what block the transition metals are?
 
No too sure I'd repost though. I might drop you guys a note when I'm playing and leave mumble on :)
@Ell ? chemistry now?
 
Ell
@sehe yar :D
 
@Ell the giant block in the center.
 
@Ell "grade 2 standard" - doesn't mean too much for me
@daknøk Mordor
 
Ell
@daknøk yes :L P block, S block, D block? o.O any idea? I'll google
 
8:39 PM
d.
 
The periodic table is a tabular display of the chemical elements, organized on the basis of their atomic numbers, electron configurations, and chemical properties. Elements are presented in increasing atomic number. The main body of the table is a 18 × 7 grid, and elements with the same number of valence electrons are kept together in groups, such as the halogens and the noble gases. There are four distinct rectangular areas or blocks. The f-block is usually not included in the main table, but rather is floated below, as an inline f-block would often make the table impractically wide. ...
There is a table with a legend on that page.
 
is it Arabic that has that letter that upper-cases differently depending on if it is at the end of a word?
 
Xeo
This guide is bad. In general, the use of global variables should be avoided. Consider using singleton objects instead. - wow, just wow. It also doesn't help that it explains virtually every point by Common practice in the C++ development community.Xeo 52 secs ago
 
Dunno. I know that Arabic has different forms for each letter at the start, middle, end of the words, or isolated.
 
8:43 PM
@Xeo I was just gonna link that comment
 
Oh god. It's at times like this I wish I had super Internet burnination powers.
 
@sehe Murder.
 
@DeadMG But if you want a crazy example, pick ß from German, which becomes SS when uppercased.
 
> Variable names must be in mixed case starting with lower case.
No. It's not "mixed case". It's camel case.
 
@Drise Shut up. You know nothing. It's common practice in the C++ development community.
 
8:46 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes heh
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
That guide is purely a joke.
 
Ell
why do we have a unified encoding?
why not one encoding per "language" and then a segment says what "language" it's in
 
Xeo
Ain't that what codepages are there for and what was used before Unicode?
 
int mIxEdCaSeIsReAdAbLeSoFuCkYoUgUys;
 
@Ell What?
What do you mean by "unified encoding"?
 
8:52 PM
@Ell Because. Latin alphabet is used by many languages, with small variations in each.
Using 1 "segment" per language as you say would make a whole lot of dupes.
 
Ell
You know what I know far too little about this so just assume I'm talking nonsense :P I thought Unicode was a unified encoding?
 
If that's your confusion, Unicode is not an encoding.
 
@DeadCicada Name all your variables that, only making them differ in which letters are uppercase.
 
So Cicada is now DeadCicada? What happened? Or is this a play on the puppy fiasco?
 
iDied
 
Ell
8:55 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes right. UTF-8 is an encoding?
Unicode is a character set
 
@Drise Fiasco? More like celebration
I was so great, everybody had to be me.
2
 
@DeadMG Well, @MooingDuck could (and should have) picked someone else.
 
Ell
I think knowing how arabic/chinese works would help me understand unicode
 
@Drise My Dead prefix is actually unrelated to those events.
 
8:57 PM
@DeadCicada suuuuure it is
 
Ask Xeo.
 
@DeadCicada Ok.
 
Arabic uses an abjad, which is very similar to an alphabet.
 
Xeo
Sep 16 at 21:50, by DeadCicada
@KonradRudolph Everytime I come back to this room since the end of summer, Xeo somehome mentions my death and how cicadas die at the end of summer. So I tried not to disappoint him.
 
because nobody has come up with an encoding that's both small and easy to work with
 
8:58 PM
6 hours ago, by DeadMG
I've been thinking about fucking a dude! (no homo)
What.
 
So that would already be familiar to you I would think.
 
Mods y u censor my comments. I’m stopping with this shit. Fuck Stack Exchange. Fucking piece of shit and crap.
 
@Ell we tried that but people kept not saving what "language" files were in.
 
@Ell the way things are moving, serialization is all utf8 now, and processing is utf32.
 
9:00 PM
Keeping in mind that 'processing' is very domain specific and not something everybody needs to be doing.
 
@DeadMG bawwww guy relationships are so ridiculous XD
 
> void slot_LoadFiel();
 
@LucDanton yeah, the number of programs that should do string processing is very tiny
 
Jesus, what crack have I been smoking today
 
Lonely Island always so awesome.
 
9:01 PM
@Drise Heisenberg's.
 
lol
 
See you guys. Maybe, some time in the future.
 
Meth bro
 
@daknøk Obviously. Some time in the past is going to be difficult.
 
9:02 PM
This is super cool!
 
Omg. I'm repwhoring to my last upboat in a repcap using a... pure ANSI C answer
Would be a repcap since a loooooooooooooong time
 
What was @daknøk all up in arms about?
 
@Chimera His last message kind of summarizes it.
 
@DeadMG Yeah, no details though.
 
@Chimera I think he was mainly pointing out that it would have been nicer if he had had 1337 characters left, instead of 1773. /cc @daknøk
 
9:06 PM
@sehe lol
 
@Chimera Probably posted some snarky comment and it got deleted.
 
Why would he say it was good 2-3 years ago when his profile says he registered 7 months ago? Or am I missing something.
 
@daknøk Wait. The Slupik rage quitting? Trolls should be immune. Anyways, if you have found nicer places (Eindhoven? Better?) obviously, move on at leisure... :)
@DeadCicada You're missing the WTP-- account (possibly others)
Aug 12 at 13:07, by sehe
@daknøk @daknok_t @class_daknok_t @WTP'-- @RadekDaknokSlupik @RadekSlupik:
^ lot's of names, only two accounts (current) afaict
The answer to all your resource management: RIIA. Don't ever write new/delete anymore in modern c++ (except = delete;) — sehe 28 secs ago
 
RIIA?
Recording Industry Incineration of America?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Maybe you should plink @sehe
 
9:15 PM
Not again. I hate this acronym. I have had it. I quit SO.

Oh wait
Anyways - not getting the one bloddy upvote. I think I will completely drop the idea of ever getting to legendary if this day stops at 197. I should have downvoted less... :)
 
0
A: how to free memory after ASSERT_TRUE in gtest

FraserIf you can use lambdas, you could do: ASSERT_TRUE(pInt != nullptr) << [pList]()->std::string { delete pList; return "Your error message."; }(); The lambda is only executed if the assertion fails. However, the best option is probably to use a std::unique_ptr or similar smart point...

Oh god what is this?
 
= delete;
What?
 
Mmm. Well, something put me over the line. With a crappy vim answer (in which I overlooked an essential mention in the question...). Anyways. safe now. Doing chores first now
 
@sehe You know, you can always ask, and I would be happy to provide upvotes to help.
> And, as others have noted, any modern compiler is (hopefully) smart enough that they'll inline the method implementation and you won't incur a performance penalty from making it a method.
Method? This isn't Java you know. — Drise 25 secs ago
 
@Drise Oh god, not this again.
Everyone but you knows what a method is, it seems.
 
9:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know what a method is.
 
Then what's the purpose of your comment?
 
However, in the C++ world, it's a member function.
 
Or a method.
It's the same thing.
 
Or a banana.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It is, and at the same time, it isn't.
 
9:26 PM
@Drise No, it's that in the world of unfunny useless pedantism.
 
Well, a "banana" is a bad choice of name because it doesn't really carry across to everyone.
@Drise Go ahead and point out one reason it isn't.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Java has object methods. C++ has member functions. Just like C++ has member variables.. and Java... don't remember what they call them.
 
That message didn't include one mention of a difference.
 
Ell
Private members?
 
You talk about java, you talk about methods. You talk about c++, you talk about functions.
@Ell That's just a subset, not the superset.
 
9:29 PM
@Drise What about, you talk about OO you talk about methods.
> In object-oriented programming, a method is a subroutine (or procedure or function) associated with a class.
 
Ell
I would say a method is a subset of a function
What r said
But I had it in my head that a subroutine doesn't return a value
 
@Ell VB
Functions return, subs don't.
 
When people say "method" everyone knows what it means (well, in this context). There's no sane reason to shun a word that perfectly communicates the concept.
 
It means to proceed methodically.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not in Pascal! And Wirth must have had it right! Because he's Wirth, you know!
@Ell No dirty talk here, boy!
@R.MartinhoFernandes
 
9:34 PM
That was a citation.
He even used >
 
@sbi It's from wikipedia and googling will confirm that's a well-established meaning. (I've had this argument before and I think it was Mooing Duck that came to that same conclusion)
 
A function is a collection of code that solves a problem or set of problems. Methods can be a part of a function (synonymous with algorithm) or can be a function itself. Therefore it's ambigious.
 
@Drise No, that's stupid.
 
remind me what's the difference between canonical and compatibility normal forms?
 
@Drise What?
 
9:35 PM
A function is a mapping of inputs to an output.
WHAT NOW
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nonono! A method is fundamentally different from a function! So Wirth said!
 
@sbi Ooh baby, update my firmware.
 
C++ functions are not functions.
 
@sbi Oh, you're trolling me :(
 
WHAT NOW
What I'm saying is that level of pedantry is stupid.
 
9:36 PM
@Drise So, it's exactly what I said above. "Everyone but you knows what a method is, it seems."
 
And I feel I'm repeating myself.
Which I am.
 
sbi
WHAT NOW?!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why do you say that? I provided clear reasoning as to why method is a silly term.
 
sbi
No whining!
 
@Drise Because there's only one possible meaning for method in the context given.
 
9:37 PM
1 message moved from bin
 
I don't understand the approach. Are you willing to overturn years of literature? For what purpose?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Saying something is based on context means it can be ambiguous.
 
Everything you say is based on context.
 
@Drise But there's no ambiguity if the context is clear.
 
sbi
3 messages moved to bin
 
9:38 PM
3 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
A function is a mapping of inputs to an output.
 
Ell
Hmm. How lethal is half a Lite of vodka?
at a guess ?
 
There's only one unambiguous language for human communication and nobody uses it.
 
There's no such thing as a "member function" patent, and there is such a thing as a "method patent", so clearly "method" is bad and "member function" is good.
 
Function is a silly term, because it's also ambiguous, because it depends on context.
 
@Ell Depends. Are you from Poland or Russia?
 
9:39 PM
I don't understand why I have to explain basic human communication in an Internet chat.
 
@CatPlusPlus Haskell?
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus ROTFL!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Flip the bozo bit!
 
WTF is starring like mad.
 
Ell
UK :D
 
9:40 PM
Why was I invited to bin?
 
You've been binned.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Someone binned your message. It's normal.
 
Congratulations.
 
@sbi did.
The Evil Dictator â„¢.
 
@Drise No, Lojban. Haskell is not used for human communication, silly.
 
sbi
9:40 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I binned your message, yeah. Kinda collateral damage, that was.
 
void slot_ShowAllHitPoints(); I feel like I'm writing a Pokemon simulator.
 
@Ell You'll probably be vomiting and/or unconscious and not necessarily in that order after a half of that.
 
People binning randomly, someone starring like crazy... I guess it's one of those nights in the Lounge.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes All we need is someone to start flagging.
 
Don't give them any ideas.
Sigh.
 
9:42 PM
um...
 
Oh hell.
 
wtf...
 
I'm pretty sure drinking everything at once would be lethal.
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: One of those nights... [.read-the-rules] [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
sbi
@jornak THIS IS WHERE THE JOKING ENDS, FOLKS!
 
9:43 PM
@sbi It's serious time.
 
You can calculate blood alcohol content after that to see if it would be lethal even spread over time.
Depends on your mass.
If you're fat, then probably not.
 
@sbi wat
 
Who the fuck
 
Ell
its not for me, its my stupid girl that's a friend
 
sbi
@jornak Yeah, flagging is not funny at all. It's stupid.
 
9:44 PM
@sbi Of course. >_>
 
what's going on?
 
Whiskey is better than vodka, anyway.
 
I was calmly describing to people the miserable pit of hell they would have to enter to deal with Unicode, and the place is a tip
 
Also getting girls drunk is not very nice.
 
Putting girls in alcoholic coma is not very nice either.
 
9:45 PM
@CatPlusPlus Why not?
 
@sbi This is not a test, THIS IS ROCK AND ROOOOLLLLLLLL!
 
Everyone's crazy.
 
Jun 15 '11 at 16:37, by Xaade
The flagging flagger is flagging insulting the flags flagging.
 
0.5l of vodka on two is entirely doable. :ssh:
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Or maybe you're the crazy one, and we're all normal.
 
9:46 PM
Hell, last time I was drunkchatting we've had two entire bottles on three.
 
@CatPlusPlus You're a Pole.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're a racist! ;)
 
@CatPlusPlus Why kind of emote is secure shell?
 
Man, nobody is going to comment on my overly creepy "at least it stays warm.." comment?
Y'all have become way too mellow.
 
9:49 PM
I haven't seen it and I'm glad.
 
You still didn't answer my WHAT NOWs.
 
It's kinda silly. It should be Barack Shepard.
 
@Drise: But everyone knows what it means anyway. — GManNickG 16 mins ago
Wow, robot copy?
Or mind control dons tinfoil hat.
Got class, see y'all later.
I fail at being a southerner.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, but so many people are stupid.
 
9:56 PM
Hi. Is there any way to install .NET 3.5 on Windows 8 from behind a SOCKS proxy?
 
@Drise No. everyone knows what it means
 
I am on a corporate network and need to install .NET through our proxy server.
However the installer does not seem to be connecting through the proxy and is therefore unable to access the Internet
 
Did you set the proxy in Internet Options on the control panel?
 
Yes
I also tried using netsh
 
@Drise FWIW I use 'method'. But I like 'member function' too. I use 'method' subconciously when I use C++ in the OOP mode. When I'm using methods in generic fashion I make the shift to member function, mostly - somehow has to do with the more functional taste of the term.
 
9:58 PM
Well, dunno, then :(
 
Why on Earth can't they just use transparent proxies....
 
I feel ignored and I'm sad because of that.
 
@IDWMaster You can just download the full installer package, and profit, right?
 
Ooh... a nice anti-Microsoft rant on meta:
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Q: Please no microsoft advertisements here! Never!

ansi_lumenFirst of all: I really like what you guys do and I really enjoy your portals. To be even more precise: I think the concept of the stackexchange sites is more remarkable than any other so called social network and more helpful than any wiki. So, I love to browse the sites and - must say again - e...

 
@sehe Not on Windows 8; you have to download and install it using the builtin Windows 8 setup program
 
9:59 PM
@CatPlusPlus You haven't spoken in a couple of screens. You're the one ignoring us.
 
You can't install it through the downloadable package
 
You have a very small screen.
10 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
You still didn't answer my WHAT NOWs.
 
The package simply pops up the OS downloader
even if you download the whole package
 
@Mysticial That's going to go down sooooo fast.
 
and run that
 
9:59 PM
@Cat Needs a $ instead of S.
 

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