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12:01 AM
Feels like there is an opportunity here. Also explains how the Xeon can pack more cores in the same form factor.
 
12:13 AM
@LucDanton worry not for the invisible hand of the free market will fix this
 
12:30 AM
I’ve never ever dropped one of those btw, and not for lack of trying
 
@Mikhail And they get to charge a hella lot more for filling it up with cores instead of iGPU which nobody uses. AMD is putting 8 cores into the same space and selling it at the same price.
Let's see if Intel keeps on selling shitty quad-cores where half the silicon is never used.
 
@Mysticial We need a bigger die :-)
 
nwp
12:46 AM
 
@AldwinCheung well it’s only been a few hours but this patch’s QA mention is an easy pick: all friendly AoE indicators are displayed as red hostile circles, so it’s all a clusterfuck
close second: opening the PvP league screen crashes the game. apparently anet QA doesn’t open that panel
 
1:22 AM
@Mysticial So AMD "officially" announced their chips apparently?
 
yeah
I'm most likely gonna get it on the day it's released.
Or at least the weekend following it.
 
The top one aye?
 
yeah
10 days is probably enough for me to build the box, get the AMD binary tuned and tested.
 
The Cinebench results I saw made it seem like it was almost on par with an Intel chip thrice it's price... could it be?
 
1:25 AM
I'm tring to stay on the platform. Benchmarks can be skewed (or very carefully chosen) and have been in the past...
 
nwp
> 40 light-years
> nearby
 
I am sure they mean 'nearby' relatively
but first, we need to build spaceships bigger enough that we are capable of self sustaining (& reproducing) in those ships
but then again, maybe there are lives on those planets already ....
 
@LucDanton Reminds me of the passiflora or what was it
@LucDanton It's like they're not even trying anymore
 
@AldwinCheung at least I’ve got some of the blooming things!
@AldwinCheung yeah? I don’t suppose you know a lot about revenant, other than it’s supposed to be a big selling point of their sole expansion so far. it’s… been facing some hardships lately. but worry not, now they can grant alacrity to their allies
nevermind that they grant that alacrity in a terrible fashion: alacrity is reverse chill, it makes you recharge faster. but revenant is an energy-based profession, much like thief and their initiative… so they don’t really benefit from their own alacrity
 
1:40 AM
rip anet
maybe the entire studio is composed exclusively of 4 people
 
@nwp that's window peeping distance, really
 
@jaggedSpire golden floof
 
2:46 AM
Why is there no std::erase?
 
What would this hypothetical std::erase operate on?
 
Iterators, maybe. I know the answer, I'm just sad....
 
Ah.
I'll happily join you in wallowing in sadness
 
hold on, let me put on my mursuit
 
@Mikhail erase/remove idiom not good enough?
 
3:01 AM
I'm trying to clean up this function:
 
I just wish iterators were legally allowed to be implemented to return a reference to an internal object
 
I need the std::remove_copy_if god intended but we didn't get
 
3:18 AM
@Mikhail That looks like copy_if to me
 
it munges the input vector
 
Ah no you want the elements removed from the initial range
 
Should I ask on SO how to clean up the code? Some asshole (possibly me), will vote to close...
 
Well, why not remove + move?
 
So, remove_if sorts the remaining elements (that will be removed) in some weird order
 
3:29 AM
otherwise write your own :p
 
I did, but every time I look at it I'm disappointed
I think some more Garfbert will cheer me up
 
3:42 AM
@Mikhail do you care about the final ordering of either ranges
i.e are you fine with an unstable solution
 
I do, but what were you thinking about?
 
stable_ depending on your requirements
 
4:01 AM
Cool, that looks about right. I didn't know stable_partition existed.
 
The legends say that Sean Parent's code is exclusively composed of std::partition and std::rotate.
9
 
HI
i have some issue with BigInt c++ file
now it is working fine in 32Bit os but not workiing in 64bit.
can anyone help me.
 
4:57 AM
Haha.. Just checkout the of comments. people didn't even read his article lol
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/solve-u-r-genius-i-think-would-have-better-spelling-phillip-neho
 
5:08 AM
@ProblemSlover It's hard to argue with his premise, so there's not a lot to do other than comment about the controversy. Aside from creating content, most interaction with internet strangers is discussion.
Actually, now I'm a bit more curious about why that's a thing. I'm going to see if I can find a few perspectives about why people socialize that way online.
 
@Aaron3468 Mann.. Your english level is 99.. you should make some writeups / or you make them already? :)
@Aaron3468 well one of reasons I presume they want to have more profile views / hoping to make new connections by these means :P
 
Yes I agree, you need to comment/post to get attention online. I don't write much, but I read often. Is english your first language?
 
@Aaron3468 It would be probably my first language.. if I didn't have to drop out of college in the first year :P
 
5:30 AM
Oh, that's too bad. I imagine it was because of the workload? I'm struggling with it although I was a skilled student in highschool.
 
@Aaron3468 Not really. I wasn't smart/creative enough to find money to pay for my second semester.. as result I wasn't even eligible for the academic vacation. I just played roulette realizing that I have only enough funds to survive my first semester ..
 
5:47 AM
Yeah, gambling with finances doesn't usually work. Sometimes the best option is strategic retreat
 
In most countries you would take out loans...
 
6:01 AM
I'm having a fantastic issue where "break all" in VS does nothing. Process doesn't pause. Any ideas, even remote?
 
@AldwinCheung h,m, Remote idea? Well try to run your project in freshly installed VS
 
6:19 AM
Maybe the pdb files can't be found, or the compiler optimized out the sections you wanted...
 
6:31 AM
Looks like a deadlock during GC ._.
 
 
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Ven
8:24 AM
Hi
@AldwinCheung obtiens rekt
 
8:39 AM
Hey :)
 
user1804599
9:27 AM
Ugh, Math only has function for natural logarithm.
 
user1804599
So you have to call log n / log 2 to get the base-2 logarithm.
 
user1804599
isPowerOfTwo :: Int -> Boolean
isPowerOfTwo = isJust <<< Int.fromNumber <<< (\n -> log n / log 2.0) <<< Int.toNumber
 
nwp
@rightfold yeah, I never understood why they have the inefficient one but not the efficient one
 
 
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user1804599
11:51 AM
OMG TIL Git grafts
 
user1804599
This is super awesome.
 
12:10 PM
@rightfold Grafts?
 
user1804599
Sorry, it's called "graft points" apparently.
 
12:26 PM
I think we should build self sustainable spaceships that can sustain life for at least 20 years by itself
it's the first step in human space exploration really
 
The first step would be to protect ourselves against space hazards, including radiations.
 
yes, but in the long run, people would probably mutate when exposed to those space hazard for a long time
 
If by mutate you mean die, then yes.
 
mutation doesn't always imply shorter lifespan
organism adapt
genetic adaption is called mutation
 
In extreme environments, one does tend to die first.
 
12:36 PM
yes, when suddenly exposed to extreme environment unprotected ...
 
@Telkitty Not at all? Most gene mutations are harmful.
 
Most*
but not all ...
 
@Telkitty The why are those just two names for the same thing?
 
A is B doesn't mean all Bs are A
set theory
 
@Telkitty If they're not the same, why are they called the same?
 
12:44 PM
if they are the same I would be using the same word
 
@Telkitty But if they're called the same ("mutation"), why are they not the same?
 
don't side track
 
@Telkitty I'm sticking to this. No side-tracking.
 
earth to humans is a lot of like fish tank to fish - telkitty
 
Yeah, fish die out of water.
 
12:48 PM
humans die out of earth atmosphere - moon is kind of close to earth, moon landing is still kind of not outside of greater earth atmosphere ...
 
12:58 PM
for those unaware, there's a humble bundle full of arduino and raspberry pi books humblebundle.com/books/make-arduino-and-raspberry-pi
 
1:12 PM
Hey, the C++17 lands are now available :D
 
the new catapult and a delete dude :3
 
I like the Naked Pointers Plateau.
 
TRAPPIST-1d !!!!
/cc @R.MartinhoFernandes
when are we launching stuff at it
 
Juno hit a top speed of about 165,000 mph (265,000 km/h) relative to Earth, making it the fastest human-made object ever (though New Horizons' initial speed was faster than Juno's speed after launch).

Even if Juno were constantly traveling that fast — not just getting a speed boost en route —  it would take the spacecraft 158,600 years to reach TRAPPIST-1.
I could be fossil by then ...
 
1:44 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Like nukes?
 
like probes
Also I just built my 9-month old project using stack. This feels amazing, like powering a motorbike after winter
the thing still works :D
heck, it even passes tests
I'm kinda missing hobby coding
 
I'm missing motivating projects to hobby code.
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz I wish stack had a better documentation.
I couldn't figure out how to get stack to include a .conf file when building an executable
 
@Morwenn you can always pick up one of mine, they're all amazing :P
@Ven I think you can do that in the .cabal file itself
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz really?
 
1:49 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Amazing does not mean motivating D:
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz very nice. thanks.
 
@Ven you never asked :P
 
Ven
Maybe you know how to cross-compile as well? ;-)
 
ow, that one would be harder
I mean you can certainly pick the version, but the platform, mmm...
 
1:51 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Too far for that.
 
Ven
I havn't figured out how.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well we better start early then huh
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not really.
Recall that some computations take so long that you finish faster if you sit around waiting for better CPUs to run them.
Same thing here.
 
heh
@Ven so I have one for you - can I disable a warning file-wise?
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz don't think so :(
 
2:01 PM
I'm thinking about getting back to my code
either Hate-UI or Turnip
I'd really like to do another try at that RTS project
 
I'd probably go for turn based... less technical problems to deal with
but obviously depends on the type of game you are wanting to do
@R.MartinhoFernandes were you on about sending stuff to those planets nasa mentioned the other so ago?
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz LIKE TACTICS?
 
@AldwinCheung Le capitaine enfuma sa cale et récura le fond de sa quille /cc @Ven
 
amazing photo(shop)
how to be a space wasting programming language:
locationInput.frame.size.width = width - 210;
instead of this ^ , you have to do this instead:
CGRect frame1= locationInput.frame;
frame1.size.width = width - 210;
locationInput.frame=frame1;
only requires 300% original number of line
 
2:22 PM
@Ven ?
@thecoshman It was supposed to be an RTS, so saying "make it turn based" esentially means a different game altogether
@Ven oh you mean tic-tactics
 
Ven
:P
 
we never finished that did we
 
Ven
you kinda never logged in into discord ever again
 
true
in retrospect I'm not sure if firebase was a right choice
well we got some things working
 
@BartekBanachewicz fair point :P
 
2:25 PM
but dunno, I think I'd really tackle my bigger challenges again
Hate-UI was a particularly persistent bugger
 
@Mgetz Damn.
 
@wilx it was predicted to happen this year or next year IIRC. So it's not really a surprise. As usual people are being slow to migrate away.
 
RIP SHA1
 
what is amusing is all the people saying oh it takes "thousands of CPU years"... as if that's expensive these days when I can spin up a couple thousand CPUs very quickly; moreover GPUs too.
 
2:35 PM
Yeah, people don't quite get, It is very much worth my while to invest thousands on infrastructure, to be able to exploit the secure connection to a bank and then make just one single payment, or more likely lots of small ones.
Obviously not me personally...
 
@thecoshman no but organized crime certainly
 
HELLO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
 
Ven
Yo lightness
 
Hi
 
Ven
must warn you, I'm not too gentle usually
 
2:41 PM
Does anyone remember that mad meta post where some guy wanted profile pictures censored because they made him "lose control"? Been trying to find it (browser history x2, Google, archive.org, chat search...) for ages but starting to think I hallucinated it. Worst thing is, I'm not even on any particularly important mission; I just randomly remembered and fancied a re-read, but now I'm stuck on the task :(
 
hi lori
 
fancy seeing you around here :D
 
Are you lobster?
 
probably not
 
Ven
2:42 PM
that'd be @rightfold
 
I'm Alex M.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Oh! Hi there!
 
Oh, right. Well, I forgot all of you people so y'know
Hah, and as soon as I come in here, I am struck by inspiration and locate the gold
 
@BogdanMarginean I did not know that. :)
 
Ven
@LightnessRacesinOrbit was this about your old avatar?
 
2:44 PM
@Ven Yarp
 
Ven
This was bound to happen :).
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you;re still alive? Haven't seen you in a long time
 
Ven
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 230k already? I didn't realize your 200k was this distant.
 
I still lack 300 points to read deleted stuff ç_ç
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit woop woop
 
2:45 PM
@Morwenn I have urged you to work on it just because and you said you were too lazy, IIRC. :)
 
Ven
@Morwenn :3
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh did me mean some titties in profile pics
 
@wilx And I'm still too lazy.
 
🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌
 
I think I vaguely remember that one
 
2:48 PM
Aaand it is undeleted.
 
Yup, seen that.
 
LOL
almost two years since I cast my undelete vote (one assumes)
ah man I miss that avatar
 
Ven
set it back vOv
 
Was it that revealing?
 
Ven
not really
 
Oooooh, that one, I remember :D
 
Just big boobs.
 
Ergh... not that bad imo
 
Didn't strike me as offensive in any way.
 
2:52 PM
not really @wilx just sucks stuffed under them
and good lighting
 
@Morwenn People are stupid, these days.
2
 
These days?
 
@wilx tiggered
 
not my type
at all
 
@thecoshman Well, at least I did not use the r-word. I would get banned for sure. :D
 
2:54 PM
Meanwhile I'm flat so I wouldn't have a problem x)
 
I C++'ed her
 
Hmm my profile image changes aren't taking
oh, I didn't hit "Save" haha
 
@Morwenn I think the protesting one was some religious freak
 
3:01 PM
So, what's new with you muppets anyway?
Mm interesting well, good to hear!
#toodles
 
Yesterday, a Belgian minister suddenly experienced memory loss while speaking in parliament. Kinda unusual.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Didn't he mention the opposite somewhere in the comments? :p
 
GUYS WITCHES ARE CASTING A SPELL TO BIND TRUMP AND CHRISTIANS ARE PRAYING TO PROTECT HIM GET MY POPCORN https://t.co/QRdrISt9Zz
LMAO
 
@Morwenn Bench bro
 
@Rerito Be careful not to get bench marks.
 
3:16 PM
Holy shit Tomalak is baaaack
 
so question
according to the last example, I can rewrite a for loop to a while
I am wondering if that's actually a good way to eval it
something like:
execStmt (For [names] (ForIter exprs) b) cls = do
    flip execStmt cls $ AST.Do (Block [
        AST.Assignment [_f, _s, _t] exprs,
        AST.While ...
        ])
I wonder if I can get rid of creating variables in the closure
OTOH I can't run a regular while if do
Damn I've missed haskell
        let [f, s, var] = take 3 exprs
 
3:34 PM
@Morwenn Lol I do get some, I wear a silver chain and I get link imprints on the skin after a bench press workout
 
@Rerito Oh, I do have link imprints problems too rom time to time .___.
 
@wilx lol Social Justice Witches
 
4:26 PM
if only there was a way we could have some text that can describe a link also be the link itself... if only there was some reasonably easy to use syntazt for writting that
:P
 
-6
Q: NEED HELP ATM MALWARE. //GD

ZORAI need some help with some modifications to a green dispenser sample I have. I need help bypassing the authentication and the date authentication. If you can help please email me at ZoraCoding(a)gmail.com Thanks.

/cc @Mysticial
I win this day, I think
 
If I want to hash a MAC address. Will hash combining all 6 bytes result in a better hash than combining three uint16_t values?
I suppose hash combining 6 bytes is better. But I can't find any documentation on this topic..
Same when hashing IP-address + src port + dst port. It's 8 bytes. But it could also be interpreted as an array of 4 uint16_t objects.
 
4:43 PM
I think generally speaking... it's better to combine the elements together then hash rather than hash elements then combine those hashes is someway... but I'm not an expert on such things. Just my understanding like
 
@StackedCrooked Given a good hash function, it should be no different.
It's 48 bits. Period.
(Like, the actual results may differ, but it should not affect the properties that make it a good hash function).
 
Cool.
 
also if it can't handle 48 bits, it's unlikely it's any decent
 
user1804599
5:12 PM
@StackedCrooked As long as the hash function isn't SHA-1.
 
o u
I'm just using boost::hash_combine.
Or boost::hash_range.
 
user1804599
5:37 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Easy!
 
user1804599
{-# LANGUAGE DataKinds, GADTs #-}

data Statement :: Bool -> * where
  For :: ... -> Statement True
  While :: ... -> Statement False
  ...

desugar :: Statement a -> Statement False
desugar (For ...) = ...
desugar ... = ...

interpret :: Statement False -> ...
interpret ... = ... -- Not even have to pattern match on For!
 
Ven
6:19 PM
Omg indexed data types
 
@Mgetz Holy shit, that's not just a collision. It's an exploitable one.
 
"I'm a beginner at writing, which is better: a pencil or a fountain pen?" Well... — Borgleader 10 secs ago
 
@Mysticial that was kinda the point of me linking it, was to make sure people were aware
 
The only thing I use that I'm aware that relies on SHA-1 is bittorrent. But that requires pre-imaging which I presume is still not doable.
 
@Mysticial technically git, and old and probably broken banking websites
The C++17 map is here and it feels like a new map http://fearlesscoder.blogspot.com/2017/02/the-c17-lands.html
 
6:29 PM
I honestly thought that a simple SHA-1 collision with a random bytes would come first. I honestly didn't expect an all-out collision attack with "real" data to be done.
The first case is much easier to do since you don't have any constraints on the input. The second one I've always assume was much harder. And it took them quite a few years before MD5 went from "collision only", to "two real documents with the same hash".
 
well there might have already been a random collision without anyone noticing, or not?
 
Oh I was wrong. They did find a "random byte" collision in 2015. Damn, I've been out of it.
 
Siberian tigers team up for devastating drone take-down https://on.rt.com/83zv https://t.co/hNEGREP5cS
some cats for you
 
@rightfold this is... impressive
 
nwp
not very confidence inspiring
 
6:43 PM
@nwp yeah I know
 
Ell
We did the semantics of loops today using fixed points
It was cool
 
@Ell I'm doing it the easiest way possible, although what rightfold proposes is nice
I think I'll get rid of manual closure passing today tho
class Monad m => MonadLuaClosure m where
    closureGet :: Value -> m Value
    closureSet :: Value -> Value -> m ()
    nestClosure :: m a -> m a

data LuaClosureM a = forall m. LuaClosureM { runClosure :: StateT Closure m a }
hmm looks ok
oh shit I need global lookup as well
 
Ell
7:01 PM
you're implementing Lua?
 
@Ell ye
I went back to my old project
 
Ell
cool
 
the closure passing has been manual for ages and I never got around to fixing it
a real pita
 
7:30 PM
@sehe looks like skype died
 
Oh, after looking at the attack vector on the SHA-1. They didn't actually find a collision of two entirely different bit streams. But rather, both PDFs have both images in them. But the metadata that determines which image to display is very small and contained within the 2-block collision zone. So Google only found a "short" collision, but exploited the PDF and JPG formats to make it look arbitrary.
So you can easily pick any two images you want.
But it's also very obvious to detect it - which is probably precisely the tool that Google has provided.
 
which is still impressive since they can change the file in a semi-controlled way
 
Yeah. But it isn't as scary as being able to make two completely different bit-streams hash to the same thing. Since most of the attack-vectors that I'm aware of can't really extend more than one or two blocks. (512-bit blocks in SHA1)
The MD5/SHA1 family has a property where if you can keep a collision contained within a block, then everything before and after it can be arbitrary.
 
Ell
eugh how the heck do I diagnose a faulty network controller
 
SHA3 OTOH keeps a very large internal state that passes propagates across blocks. The state is larger than the block. So not only is it difficult to find a state-collision within a block, but it may not even be possible because you don't have enough message entropy to do it.
Ok, I probably lost everyone since I'm sure I'm one of the few people who actually read about this shit.
 
Ell
7:45 PM
@Mysticial maybe nobody was reading in the first place :P
I kid :)
 
I'm not a crypto expert at all. I only understand basic information theory. And even with that bit of background I can get a feel for how and why the various hash algorithms are stronger than each other.
 
@Mysticial nah I think there are some people who are able to understand this
also it's not that incomprehensible to understand that a hasher has some internal state and it "rolls over" the input bytes while munching this state
 
Yeah, that's pretty much to the extent that I understand it.
It's just a finite state machine.
For the SHA family, the state is the hash itself. And the block is larger than the state. So you can get state collisions within each block by merely adjusting the message bits that feed into that block.
On SHA3, that's no longer possible. And to get a state-collision, you must span multiple blocks. Which means you must collide across a much longer range.
IOW, colliding the state-machine inside the hash is harder than doing a birthday attack on the final hash itself.
 
So, Google claims that it took 110 GPU years to compute, this isn't a very high bar. On a top-tier cluster you can shoot through this computation in a day (110*365, 40k nodes)
 
@Mysticial The PDF "attack" makes a nice visual display of the result. Pretty sure this collision attack can be used in the same way the collision attack on MD5 was, to produce rogue certificates. At least from what I can see, they haven't really done much that's really new though--the weakness in SHA-1 has been known for quite a while. They just did the 100+ years of GPU time necessary to exploit it.
 
7:59 PM
@Mikhail It took that computation to generate one colliding prefix. That's all you need to embed two arbitrary images (of specifically the size that they used) in a pdf.
 
You could probably beat the heck out of that if you did it in ASIC
 
IOW, if I was a capable hacker and had the time, I could pick apart that PDF and put in whatever the hell I want in there. No number crunching needed.
Presumably Google will release source code to do just that in 3 months.
@JerryCoffin Definitely.
 
 
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Ven
9:53 PM
why is Haskell's groupBy explicitly using []? :| /cc @rightfold
seems like it's done for perf reasons in PS?
 
Ell
I'm going to guess historical
 
@Ven I’ve always been uneasy around treating Foldable as something you can uncons, but I can’t rationalise it
 
user1804599
10:33 PM
@Ven only thing I dislike is that it doesn't use NonEmpty
 
Ven
true. PS does.
 
user1804599
Oh nice they fixed it
 
Xeo
10:53 PM
my.mixtape.moe/zzskln.mp4 cc @Mysticial @StackedCrooked (slight LWA spoilers but not really)
 
some hacked my phone and removed an email account from it :/
apple: you suck at security
 
@Telkitty My guess is that at least 99% of claims that "somebody hacked my (phone | computer) and did X" are really instances of "I got careless and did X, but would prefer not to admit to being that stupid, especially when I clicked 'yes' not only to 'are you sure?' but also to 'We really doubt you want to do this; are you really, absolutely, positively certain?'"
 
Yeah, I used to assume that until someone put a 'probably hacked' on the start screen of my phone
of course, I could have dream walked and deleted an email account in my sleep
 
11:21 PM
You realize this is roughly 4 years ago right. I don't know what "you're coma" means. My last comment here is from 10:13, which means that I saw nothing but this answer. I don't think it's surprising that people would be a bit skeptical of an answer that just says "sure, why not. strange question". I like the edit current answer though. Enjoy the upvote. — sehe 55 secs ago
Look what the cat dragged in /cc @wilx @rightfold
 
That guy has a history of being a bit confrontational. But nonetheless still a great contributor.
 
user1804599
@sehe cat? Cryptography
 
== English == === Alternative forms === look what the cat dragged in === Etymology === From the habit of domestic cats of bringing home the remains of killed animals === Phrase === look what the cat's dragged in! (idiomatic) Used as an ironic acknowledgement of someone's arrival, especially to imply that they are unwelcome or disagreeable in some way ==== Usage notes ==== To look like something the cat's dragged in is to be dishevelled or very untidy....
Idiom is not cryptography. It's just English. Easily demystified by a dictionary. Or google, if you're lazy.
@Mysticial I think the problem here is that he chose to confront me over a 4 year old answer, failing to realize that when I commented his answer was outrageously flimsy :)
 
user1804599
@sehe Cat Plus Plus
 
That's what comment threads do after 4 years. They confuse the hell out of people
Oh. Seems he edited his comment now too. It said "@sehe I cannot understand you. First you say you wanted a reasoned answer, and now you're coma" the first few minutes.
 
user1804599
11:32 PM
Comazuipen met carnaval.
 
11:51 PM
. @tweetmedavid84 @GeorgeTakei Nope. He's comparing the flawed motivations. Not just linked, the thinking is exactly the same.
I guess this one is going to be a popular opinion on Twitter. Also, I personally think it quite nails the refutation, if I may say so myself
 

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