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4:04 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Heh.
 
user1804599
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A: Grid ascii art code golf

AdámDyalog APL 16.0, 17 13 bytes Prompts for (row, column) and character. Gives INDEX ERROR on faulty input. ⊖⍞@(⊂⎕)⊢5 5⍴0 ⊖ flip upside-down the result of ⍞@(...) replacing with inputted-character  ⊂⎕ at position evaluated-input (row, column) ⊢ of 5 5⍴0 5×5 grid of zeros

 
user1804599
By our favourite jew!
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel bless him
 
@Ven oi that second one is way too perly
 
@ThePhD Are you dead now?
 
4:13 PM
@rightfold Undecipherable for me.
 
I don't think I can recall a single time I need to use Python and not lost days to trying to sort out wanked up dependency problems
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think the answer is the first transfinite ordinal.
 
That's it, I'm done with python. I'm no longer going to endure this bullshit
It's just too much bollocks
 
@rightfold lmao
> I'm an orthodox Jew working full time as an APL programmer.
That's good, because my main interests are Judaism and APL.
 
(blog.sigfpe.com/2008/10/whats-use-of-transfinite-ordinal.html) The one-player game {x: x<5} is ω: it has no maximum number of moves. But is the 1pg {x: x≤5} ω+1 or ω? :/
 
4:24 PM
(´・ω・`)
 
:3
 
Oh, it's 1+ω which is the same as ω. I think that's it.
 
Ell
@GundolfGundelfinger lol
 
@GundolfGundelfinger Lol, I remember that guy
 
Try to guess what it does.
 
Ven
4:33 PM
@Ell you're right-aligning the key. Not sure I'd do that, but YMMV :)
@GundolfGundelfinger allons, tu ne l'avais jamais vu ?
 
Ell
so you mean like
❤ Love thy neighbour              | Chapter 1, verse 2
♞ Is a fear of horses irrational? | Typical phrase
☭ USSR                            | No
❄ Should I wear a coat?           | Definitely
 
@Ven typical anti-APLism
@R.MartinhoFernandes is that right? don’t you need those, and extend it with neologisms? don’t you need another scheme for those neologisms as well (i.e. count in Latin prefixes)?
 
@LucDanton It doesn't matter what system you pick to name them as long as: 1) eight is the definitely first (so "one billion" instead of "billion"), 2) zero is definitely last (easy enough).
 
Ven
@Ell yeah
 
The usual English conventions for systematically naming numbers are fine.
 
Ven
4:47 PM
@LucDanton #disgusted comme dirait kbok
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I suppose. I think I ran into one identity or another by counting the same thing differently
 
6 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@Ell go up to trillions and then just add more "trillion" words as needed.
No need for neologisms with that one.
6 hours ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
God bless the IUPAC
And last resort.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that’s baby talk :< are you some kind of chemist or what
 
@LucDanton Oh, right, and 3) each number has one and only one name, which is unique.
So no "dozen", etc.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but where's the fun in that?
 
4:50 PM
All fair assumptions from the wording, IYAM.
 
I did proceed from that more or less, yeah
 
@LucDanton Looking forward for the Transfermillion wars.
"Transfermillion" sounds interesting.
Do the systematic element names count as neologisms?
(or any open set of systematic names for that matter)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes for my purposes I was using 'neologism' to mean 'not in most dictionaries', so yes
@R.MartinhoFernandes see, if I tabulate it I get something around S×6 where S is the ordinal for whichever scheme you use for '{ε, hundred, thousand, million, billion, …}`. 6 being the ordinal for {eight, eighteen, eighty, eleven, fifteen, fifty},how does that relate to your ω?
that’s just the prefixes so there’s room for change and the traditional off-by-one error, too
 
How's "eight hundred thousand eight hundred" figure into that?
 
what the devil are you two on about?
 
5:03 PM
In order for that to be the right ordinal, you must pick from one of the sets in monotonically increasing fashion.
I.e. once you use "hundred", you can only use "thousand" and above; or alternatively, once you use "eight", you can only use "eighteen" and above.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes eight eighteen is 'wrong'
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I’m only counting the prefixes so far, i.e. I only went to 'eight hundred thousand'. I’m thinking it’s not a very clever approach though, cos it leads to a triangular thing if that makes sense to you
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The systematic element names do not form an open-ended set. Eventually, you reach "neutron star", then "black hole", and that's the end of the list.
@thecoshman ...whereas 18/8...is a useful type of stainless steel.
 
@LucDanton Taking the 1pg analogy above: the game that forms the numbers in question is as follows: #1 you make a move in the 6-game; #2 you play the S-game, and reset the 6-game.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hang on, S for just the prefixes or the full thing?
 
5:13 PM
@LucDanton Just the prefixes.
If it's "any prefix combination", then S is ω.
It's "pick any N, generate the IUPAC name for N"
 
are we properly counting e.g. 'eight million twenty thousand', even though 'twenty' comes after 'five' here?
 
That has to count too, but whether you do so doesn't change the answer IMO.
Just "any combination of prefixes" and {eight} are enough.
 
see, I was going next with S×6 where S is some P×change, where P is strictly about prefixes and we put the non-prefix into the change but I think it’s inelegant
anyhoo how do you identify that with ω?
 
Though I think you're right that it's not the first transfinite ordinal.
ω is the position of 8000.
@R.MartinhoFernandes this is correct
@R.MartinhoFernandes this is not.
Let's see. We agree that 800 is the second, right?
(I'm using the usual convention that shorter words are first alphabetically)
Wait, I need to pick the system first.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no, it depends on your prefix scheme. in my very first attempt (i.e. neologism prefixes) I put eight billion as 2. I think we should stick to an abstract prefix scheme though
 
5:21 PM
Right.
 
well, if we do stick to that we have a triangle problem where e.g. in 'eight billion [something]' the something has to be syntactically valid :(
 
I figured it out. The answer does depend on the system.
Pick a system and I'll describe it to you.
 
let’s go with trillion trillions
 
Just needs the three properties I described above chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/34321157#34321157
@LucDanton Ok.
So the second is eight billion.
Right?
 
well, 'eight billion' but yeah
 
5:24 PM
Right. Oops.
 
(in French we traditionally have 'deux cents' but 'deux cent deux', sameish in Portuguese?)
 
There are countably many things that start with "eight billion": you can simply add as many "trillion" bits you want, for example: "eight billion trillion trillion trillion". Agree? @Luc
 
hmm... how do I delete a symlink that is pointing to itself :S
 
@LucDanton Nah. Single word for 200, "200 and 2" for 202 (mandatory "and")
 
rmdir says it's not empty...
oh... rm -rf :S
thought it'd get stuck on a loop
 
5:27 PM
No -r FFS.
After all those "eight billion XXX" numbers comes "eight hundred".
The position of 800 is therefore ω. This bit is the crucial step, I think.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes at least as much, yeah. what do we do with the finite change, ignore it cos it doesn’t change the answer? I’m not that familiar with ordinal arithmetic
@R.MartinhoFernandes agreed
 
@LucDanton It's still countably many, i.e. we can count all of them with naturals (no Cantor's diagonal). If you want a sketch of such a numbering scheme, just consider that "trillion" fulfills a role similar to that of 0 (i.e. this is a radix system)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, right
 
"eight billion trillion trillion trillion" is numbered X000, "eight billion trillion trillion trillion one" is numbered X001, for some X.
 
well then we are pretty much done aren’t we?
 
5:33 PM
If you accept that 800 is at the first transfinite ordinal, yeah. We just need to count transfinite ordinals now.
"eight hundred billion" (right? forgive me mistakes in the actual order) is the successor of 800, so ω+1.
And so on and so. Now, there are countably many numbers starting with "eight hundred ...", and after all of them comes "eight million".
 
looking good
 
"Eight million" is at position ω+ω (i.e. the position of 800, plus countably many numbers).
So your "Sx6" thing was not too bad: S is ω, and it didn't pick the right prefixes.
 
are you doing all this in your head btw? it’s really to follow on a list
 
The answer is ωx(number of "prefixes").
The prefixes are {eight, eighteen, eighty, eleven, fifteen, fifty} x {billion, million, thousand, trillion} + 1 for "eight hundred" ("eighteen hundred" is not valid in our scheme).
That yield ω·25
(note that 25·ω is ω, and not the same as ω·25)
@LucDanton :/ yeah
 
where does that 25 come from? I have prefix scheme × 5 (i.e. my original 6 - {eighteen}, thanks for the correction)
 
5:43 PM
@LucDanton Oh, "eighty hundred" isn't valid either.
"hundred" only couples with "eight".
 
maybe we should have stuck to hundred hundreds, and ignored the 99 change that comes with
 
It's 6 {8,18,80,11,15,50} times 4 {10^9, 10^6, 10^3, 10^12} plus 1. (pardon the short scale)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes what is that 'plus 1' for?
 
"eight hundred".
15 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
And so on and so. Now, there are countably many numbers starting with "eight hundred ...", and after all of them comes "eight million".
It's this bit.
 
oh, I keep confusing my prefixes for yours
 
5:50 PM
The dirty dozen is now complete. I've become twelfth person ever to earn the bronze badge.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it’s in the order of that (if there is such a notion for ordinals), but it’s not that. which I think still makes for a fair and interesting answer, but just to make sure (ω + 1) + ω is not ω × 2 right? cos we’re interspersing a lot of change in between the ωs
 
@LucDanton It is. Addition is associative, so you can cancel out the 1 by changing the parens.
(ω + 1) + ω is the order of the ordered set [0, 1, ..., 0', 0'', 1'', ...] (primes to distinguish the source of the elements), which is clearly the same as ω + (1 + ω).
If you apply the renaming n'' -> (n+1)', you get [0, 1, ..., 0', 1', ...], which has obviously order type ω+ω.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh that’s real cute lol
cool! that gets rid of a lot of bookkeeping
a whole string of Hilbert Hotels accommodating many buses of guests :)
 
6:21 PM
since the Standard is silent on whether auto [insides] = [i=0] {}; is valid or not, is that undefined or rather unspecified behavior? we still know that the closure object e.g. is a class with a non-static data member after all
 
6:39 PM
But do you? Can't it be optimized away to a static or constant?
 
is there an official name for irrelevant things in SO question like 'p.s. […] Avoid suggesting […] to use unique pointers, it's not the point of this question.'?
 
Though I guess that just requires you to slightly change the example. Don't bother, just ignore me
 
@LucDanton XY paranoia?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes I do, and yes it can but only under as-if
@fredoverflow heh, not bad
 
ok
I bit the bullet and bought an HTC Vive
 
6:45 PM
I find this question mortifying but I don’t know how to improve it lol
it’s essentially a duplicate though
how do you deal with 'I tried X and I already read the questions on it and know that it’s impossible, but I want to do X'?
 
Keijo is a sport that requires both physical and mental strength and it involves secret techniques. (I'm at ep 5 atm.)
 
@Puppy awesome, tell us all about it
 
@StackedCrooked I applaud your choice of screenshot. :)
 
It's serious business. As you can deduce from the stern look on her face.
 
@Puppy Have you already tried it out, or did you just order online?
 
6:51 PM
@fredoverflow Box was surprisingly heavy, and the weight is asymmetrically distributed
the normal packaging has a carry handle but the postal box did not
so I carried it home very awkwardly and then unpacked it to find a carry handle.
 
So... you didn't unbox yet?
 
fuckers
 
@Puppy Same happened with me when I unpacked my iMac.
 
@fredoverflow Setting it up now.
 
cool
 
6:53 PM
there's a surprisingly large number of gizmos in the box
 
What GPU do you have?
 
and they did not skimp on the padding
970
 
That's the minimum requirement, right?
 
afaik, it's the recommended for playing games and stuff
where below recommended = you vomit every 5 seconds due to FPS lag
 
I predict you'll be super excited for 1 or 2 days, and then it'll collect dust due to lack of games ;)
 
6:54 PM
we shall see
 
jk, I have no idea how good/numerous the games are
 
vr on pc is ok atm
the same cannot be said about gear vr
where the only nice game is minecraft
rip me
 
that'd be cool if the platform doesn't suffer from screendoor
it's very very unpleasant with gear vr and s7 edge
it's ok in games but the moment you have to read text it hurts you
 
I think I'm missing some parts
ah found em
even more bits
holy shit, this thing comes with a cable and a half
 
Ell
7:12 PM
@Puppy nice
 
did not consider: power sockets
 
Hm, are they incompatible?
 
no
just didn't have enough extensions
1 for the vive, 1 for each base station
 
although
the HTC setup guide shows an American-style plug
so I got confused for a moment about what part I was looking for
ah bugger
HTC Vive- number of times used, 0, number of times dropped on floor, 1
 
7:19 PM
Been there :P
 
Ven
@Mysticial sites.utexas.edu/jdm4372/2016/11/05/… (in the unlikely event you havn't seen it/don't know all about those already)
 
next action: drop headphones on floor
 
@Puppy Just don't drop the floor on the Vive or headphones. According to the wicked witch of the west, that can cause a problem.
 
oh shit
I neglected to remember that I can actually not see out of both of my eyes at the same time.
 
nwp
@Puppy what?
 
7:31 PM
like stated, I cannot see out of both of my eyes at the same time
 
> India unveils the world's largest solar power plant
The country is on schedule to be the world’s third biggest solar market next year. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/11/india-unveils-world-largest-solar-power-plant-161129101022044.html
india knows whats up
 
7:44 PM
-1
Q: why large text files are difficult to read by notepad or other programs

IvanzinhoI have no problem creating a Java or C# app to handle large text files, I'm just curious why open a 2GB text file using Notepad, Notepad++, WordPad etc, fails, even 60MB takes too long time or they don't show the content. Why all these programs can't read and show the contents? are they so poorly...

/cc @Mysticial
 
> are they so poorly programmed without concerning about file size?
 
@Borgleader I'm tempted to vote to reopen, just so it can collect more down-votes before being closed again. :-)
 
lol
WHAT'S WRONG WITH THESE PROGRAMS WHY ARE THEY WORSE THAN MINE?? ARE OTHER PROGRAMMERS REALLY THAT BAD???
EXPLAIN IN MY DOUBT PLEASE???
 
@JerryCoffin the funny part is it does have an objective answer
 
@Mgetz It does, but it's really a question (at least in the case of Notepad) about the history of Windows, not about programming as such. Not sure about Notepad++, but it wouldn't surprise me if it used a Windows RichText control, in which case it would be roughly the same as WordPad.
That uses a RichText control, so it's newer and better suited to larger amounts of text than the Edit control used in Notepad, but still pretty old and never really intended for the purpose to which it's being put. When the Edit control was originally designed, 60 MB would have been a large hard disk, so a single text file that size wasn't contemplated at all.
 
8:00 PM
@JerryCoffin even if it doesn't, the overhead of just the display structures can be massive unless you ensure you're only displaying what absolutely needs to be on the screen. Forget syntax highlighting at that point, you don't have enough context. Moreover you can't render a scrollbar properly because you'd need to render the content to see how long it is to get a metric to even do that.
It spirals out of control pretty quickly
 
pretty sure his app would hang when loading large files too
if all he did was
TextBox.Load <- File.ReadAllText
 
ok
I gotta say
main impression is holy shit, the usability seems pretty poor
it's hard as fuck to make the vive load the piece of software you want
and once you're in it, half the time you spam every button on the controller and get no reaction
I had to take the fucking thing off to get out of the tutorial that was supposedly a tutorial but actually I could not interact with in any way
also had some problem using their store software where I couldn't pause the video with a mouseclick from inside the Vive
 
sounds like faulty hardware?
 
Ell
well clearly PEBKA... oh wait
 
nah
the controllers tracked fine
and pushing the buttons did things, just none of them very useful.
also, this sounds dumb, but it's physically hard to put the Vive on
the problem is that at close range, even a slight misadjustment makes the output really blurry
 
8:07 PM
@JerryCoffin Hahahah xD
 
half the problem is that I accidentally unpowered my machine half way through the setup guide
and if you turn on the app after the headset is available it doesn't show the guide anymore
so I kinda got stuck without the guide
 
@Mgetz It is non-trivial, but it can be done. Really is mostly a matter of what you plan for. I first used an edit control on a 286 with a 20 MB hard drive--and I'm pretty sure that code is still pretty similar to how it was then. It just wasn't written with the idea of editing megabytes (or really even any more than a few kilobytes) of text.
 
@Mgetz monospace font with uniform line height?
 
@JerryCoffin I'm not arguing that. I think the more salient point is that it's completely outside of the 80/20 rule, as it's probably less than 1% of files
@Puppy line wrap gets you, you still have to calculate the number of lines. That said you could just do a rough number and then adjust later.
 
@Mgetz Why would I wrap the lines? just render horizontal scrollbar
 
8:20 PM
good point
 
@Puppy because you don't want to be notepad?
 
don;t need to be notepad to render a horizontal scrollbar
and if I have a monospaced font I can line wrap without needing to render at all
hmm just noticed another game-related app uses HTML for lobby names...
 
@Puppy You'd want to wrap lines because ES_MULTILINE was set and ES_AUTHOHSCROLL was clear.
 
compiler error: ES_MULTILINE is undefined
 
@Puppy Obviously your head's file system is corrupt. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
The corruption got so bad at one point, I considered switching to politics.
11
 
8:30 PM
yeah me too
right now though I am trying to figure out if I already took my medication..
 
Xeo
My supervillain backstory is that an internal compiler error wiped out my whole family and now I’m thirsty for revenge. I am the Overloader.
3
heh
 
Ugh, keybase grew into kind of a mess these days.
I want to change my key to an existing, which means I have to feed my private key to the keybase app. Thing is, I don't have access to my private key because it's in a SmartCard.
Even if I want to entrust the app with my private key, I'll have to fetch my paper printout backup and type all the bytes of the private key one-by-one, or take a picture, OCR, and fix all the wrong bytes one-by-one.
Just UGH.
 
user1804599
8:55 PM
Nice
 
user1804599
Had a kapsalon
 
Ell
Just finished Das Boot
wow
such an amazing and thrilling film
 
Fuck, why the hell does "CL_DEVICE_TYPE_GPU" return true on an Intel chip?
 
Ell
it probably has an integrated gpu right
 
nwp
@Ell I found it rather depressing
 
9:05 PM
It can do maybe, 1 or 2 flops at best
not a real GPU
 
Ell
@Mikhail lol
Well, GPUs are a pretty new technology
 
So, in 2012, the Intel CL driver returned false. Now the same fucking piece of hardware is all of sudden a GPU.
Fuck, so Qt is pulling up OGL on the integrated card if my power adapter is un-plugged. If its plugged in, it pulls up OGL on a the 970m.
then mismatch between OGL/OCL contexts :-/
 
user406009
@Mikhail Usually you can configure that in your driver settings.
 
Xeo
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Q: C++11 Multiple Producer Pultiple Consumers

Lillit ZakaryanWrite a console application which has N producers (N=1…10), M consumers (M=1…10) and one data queue. Each producer and consumer is a separate thread and all threads are working concurrently. Producer thread sleeps 0…100 milliseconds randomly then it wakes up and generates a random number between ...

Can haz a Pultiple
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes HAHA
 
Xeo
9:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What, you don't have a nice QR-Code version of your private key?
 
@Xeo IME the readers for the high-density formats suck so I just dropped that.
 
Xeo
I see
 
Raw bytes on paper may be less convenient, but I won't have to chase the software to read them.
 
Xeo
are there coloured QR codes? That would increase the bytes-per-pixel. Unless there's problems with colour recognition, even if you limit them to not-really-ambiguous once.
 
That reduces the reliability. Paper gets damaged.
 
Xeo
9:15 PM
@tweet_xeo The best thing about being the Overloader is that any number of superheroes and supervillains can be named “the Overloader”.
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heh
 
QR codes operate with a simple above/below darkness threshold which has less margin for reader failure.
 
Xeo
gotcha
 
Also, being commonplace and standardized is important, because, again, you don't want to go around chasing the only copy of the abandonware that can read them.
 
Xeo
Should just get a punchcard reader. And a stack of punchcards.
I heard those were reliable.
 
Human-readable bytes is the most reliable, I'd say.
The decoder software is "built-in".
 
9:19 PM
@Xeo lol
 
Xeo
But imagine reading in your punchcard stack on the go, with the portable punchcard reader, connected to your phone!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes specs are kinda wonky and unreliable in practice though
 
The paper has a description, just in case.
 
Xeo
Okay, I found one problem with my new room setup, with the desk right up against the open door (door itself right behind the desk).
Taiga can now get up on the door.
and not back down
That's the second time she's done this.
First time was in the middle of the night
 
Ell
@nwp yeah it was brutal
 
9:23 PM
@LucDanton "Each line starts with its sequence number; followed by 21 octets encoded in hexadecimal digits, and separated by spaces; and ends with a CRC24 checksum of the octets. At the end there is a CRC24 checksum of all the octets" kinda thing.
 
nwp
deduction guides look like they might be lots of fun
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh since colours were mentioned I thought you were referring to, you know, human vision and all that
 
@nwp They are a very nice feature.
 
9:43 PM
@Xeo ...but only if each has a unique signature.
 
@JerryCoffin Mine has a parameter of type decltype(std::ignore)
 
@Mgetz @Ven Thanks. Yeah, I saw that one already. The design of it really makes me wonder WTF Intel is doing to complicate their ISA.
 
Ven
doing all they can. :D
 
it's not like they can make it more weird
it's pretty much the odd duck everywhere
 
9:52 PM
That's a heroic effort to make things "streaming". Sadly, all the gain is lost at the first step, where you perform OrderBy on both key projections. OrderBy buffers the entire sequence, for the obvious reasons. — sehe 9 secs ago
 
Don't say that they'll take it as a challenge
 
Linq is such a nice pipe dream. It's easy to believe everything is free.
 
@sehe With all due respect, why do you keep linking your comments here
 
nwp
/me gets popcorn
 
That's a good question. Perhaps because I feel you guys appreciate them better than the crowd that awaits on the main site.
 
9:53 PM
@jaggedSpire you remember itanium right?
 
@sehe Good point. I mean, I really appreciate the effort that you put into your answers, especially given that the askers usually don't, and the number of upvotes you receive is pitifully small
 
But if it's a nuisance, I shall think twice. Although in fairness it's about what I do here. So... I'm not sure.
 
So, apparently I have successfully troubleshooted my brothers friend's issues with Linux Mint. It took only whole day and half of relaying messages between me and the dude through my brother using FB messenger, with photographs of LCD screens being relied betweens us.
 
@Columbo Thank you :)
 
@sehe I don't mind it at all, was just askin'.
 
9:54 PM
@sehe yeah, do go on
 
It's a good question. I did ask myself on occasion, but it's not bad to have the discussion
 
@Mgetz I remember it existed, but I became a professional programmer in 2014, and have never done processor specific work.
 
@sehe I vote in favor of continuing, for whatever that may be worth.
 
@jaggedSpire Itanium is tied to the ABI standard in vogue, I believe
@JerryCoffin Don't worry. The signal was clear already :) Thanks
 
Yeah they usually link to useful answers.
 
9:57 PM
@sehe Haha, just noticed the linked answer's question was answered by you, and the accepted one is worse. Classic, have a +1
 
@jaggedSpire to be fair... it wasn't their weirdest
 
In fact, have 200 rep
 
@Mgetz Is that the alternate spelling for the Itanic?
 
@Columbo Mine was much later, if I recall. Classic case of "I need this, let's find the existing implementation - shute, that's not elegant enough, let's post my version". They ended up taking it for MoreLinq, so that's nice
 
@Mgetz should I get popcorn to read this, or a torch and pitchforkk?
 
9:58 PM
Damn, why do we have to wait 24 hours to award bounties
 
@Columbo Oooh. I might net a positive-rep week even after my bounty :)
@Columbo Why not. I always wait the full period. If the purpose is to draw attention, the longer window of opportunity adds value
 
@sehe Haha lol, I've done some 500 ones as well: stackoverflow.com/questions/17430377/…, stackoverflow.com/questions/9201506/… Really am a fan of Richard Smith, so wanted to make him notice me. I don't think he did.
 
One of these day you gotta stop giving me rep for free, @Columbo :)
 
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A: Can constexpr function evaluation do tail recursion optimization

Richard SmithBy the rules in [implimits], an implementation is permitted to put a recursion depth limit on constexpr calculations. The two compilers which have complete constexpr implementations (gcc and clang) both apply such a limit, using the default of 512 recursive calls as suggested by the standard. For...

 
10:01 PM
@sehe No, I think you need to stop putting more effort into your answers than the help vampires deserve. Otherwise I'll have to make the world a bit less unfair by giving you rep ;)
 
You don't mean that :)
@Columbo He's probably not on often enough :|
Most of these questions were probably channeled to him over IRC
 
@sehe What do you mean? Someone PM'ed him with it?
 
Oh I can't speak for any specific case, but yeah, I feel he has "that kind of relation" to SO.
 
Yeah, I don't think he would waste his time on here. I don't think there's anyone on SO who matches his comprehension of the language.
 
Like Hartmut Kaiser or, indeed [Bjarne Stroustrup]() and some other "icons"
 
10:07 PM
... Ok, except for these guys, but again, they aren't active here, the ratio of interesting questions to crappy ones is way to small
 
@Columbo I'm not sure. This is not something that affords comparison, but for the record I value the insights of some of the loungers pretty much; There are a zillion specialisms even in C++ compiler specifics
 
@Mgetz what the fuck
why did they make it so high-level
 
nwp
It seems one cannot use deduction guides to make std::unique_ptr p{42}; do anything. I suppose one needs to try harder to abuse this feature.
 
Can you cast 42 to a pointer?
also works better if you cast 42.0f to a pointer
 
nwp
@Mikhail no, but you can tell the deduction guides to std::add_pointer_t on the int
unfortunately that is useless because std::unique_ptr<int *>(42) doesn't do anything and I cannot sneak a make_unique into there because it is only about type deduction
 
10:21 PM
Idk, aren't we trying to make stuff crash?
 
@nwp it’s not (just) a deduction guide you need for that, it’s a constructor
 
nwp
@Mikhail I wanted to make it automatically allocate stuff for me.
 
10:35 PM
@sehe Well, of course I meant his particular field, which is language lawyering.
I know for one that there are some equally brilliant minds here, but as you said, they've specialized elsewhere.
 
ROFLMAO I had totally forgotten about this
@Columbo The way I see it, the field of "language lawyering" consists of about a dozen specialisms
 
@sehe Depends on how you classify it. You could split by core and library. And further categorize according to evolution and consistency, and whether the wording of interest affects ABIs etc. or just front-ends...
 
I'll take the chopin
 
@sehe I guess perhaps I forgot to mention Howard Hinnant, who is definitely a huge expert in library.
(And also very active on here.)
 
Yeah. Hinnant more or less directs his own sub-area. Like Dietmar Kühl
 
10:45 PM
@sehe His most important Nocturne, I think. I'm learning it
 
I wonder what makes it "important". I love it though.
 
> The design and poetic contents of this nocturne make it the most important one that Chopin created, in Karasowski's opinion it even oversteps the bounds of the nocturne style. The chief subject (A-B) is a masterly expression of a great, powerful grief, for instance at a grave misfortune by which the dear, beloved native land is visited. Upon such an occasion and in such a mood it is but a step to self-sacrificing deeds.
> The secondary subject makes upon me an impression as if heroic men had banded themselves together and solemnly went forth to the holy war to conquer or die for their native land. In correspondence with the character of a grand heroic march, the harmonic masses finally tower aloft in imposing splendor and majesty. At C the chief subject is repeated, but richly varied, enhanced in passionateness and feverishly agitated.
 
@sehe Well, he used to be LWG chair, but isn't any more. At the same time, I doubt that Marshall (the current LWG chair) is likely to ignore Howard's input...
 
I meant on SO :)
@Columbo This your text?
 
@sehe I wish. :-) From the G. Schirmer score.
 
10:54 PM
It's funny how you appropriated the qualification then :) I do agree with the description. Not sure about "overstepping the bounds" because, really, what is a Nocturne, other than a peaceful fantasy opus? It might be unconventional in it's arc, but there are several of those.
 
@sehe Ah...well, pretty much the same--no official position, but everybody who cares much about his specialty probably knows who he is, so they'll undoubtedly listen pretty closely when he talks.
 
I think he mainly contributes in his specialties (date-time and the broader standard library, specifically libc++ issues)
 
@sehe I said I think, because neither I nor the author of the above "knows" what the most important one is, because there presumably is no agreeable definition of that. But, just like you, I love this Nocturne (as I do most of his work, for a fact :) My mother also learned it after I got to Uni this term, can't wait for her interpretation once I get back
 
@jaggedSpire a fizzy drink, so you can do a spit take
 
@Columbo Woah. That weird realization you could have a mom who also played music :)
 
10:59 PM
@sehe Mine is a pianist for a living, but yeah
 

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