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12:07 AM
Speaking of, I bumped into videos like this and I think it's kind of hilarious how without distortion, metal sounds like different genres entirely ^^
 
12:24 AM
London has fallen -- pretty nice, so far.
 
waddafuq do you mean london has fallen?
 
@Puppy Calm down, it is a film with Gerard Butler.
 
12:39 AM
// PHINode - The PHINode class is used to represent the magical mystical PHI
// node, that can not exist in nature, but can be synthesized in a computer
// scientist's overactive imagination.
lol llvm
 
1:26 AM
Well, nice film.
 
 
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3:14 AM
Anybody working on anything cool?
 
no
 
I'm doing some GUI programming in Qt5. I've never seen a good GUI programmer, or the source of a good GUI program. Maybe GUI programming is the hardest thing somebody can work on?
 
"I'm doing some GUI programming in Qt5." - That's not possible
"I've never seen a good GUI programmer" - they don't exist
"or the source of a good GUI program." - they also don't exist
"Maybe GUI programming is the hardest thing somebody can work on?" - It's impossible. But being impossible doesn't necessarily make it the hardest because even though all impossibles are equally hard, some are more equal than others.
 
Can anyone help with an android problem ? There seems to be nobody in the android rooms . and in need of urgent assistance please
 
Jan 30 '15 at 2:30, by Borgleader
"Hi I have a question about my retirement fund"
"Sir this is a convenience store..."
"I know but it's the only thing open at this hour"
 
3:24 AM
Haha
 
@june1992 Android development is an inferior form of software development.
 
What does that mean ?
 
Its not sufficiently technically challenging, like webdev its mostly displaying data from a table
They aren't real programers
 
Well I know other programming accordances but I'm working on an android app and need some issue related guidance
 
Just the thought of Android development makes my blood boil
 
3:27 AM
@Mikhail It must be really hot then.
 
C++ is the ish :D I know
 
If you would have read the rules, you would have seen that mentioning inferior languages like PHP and JS requires what we in the US call "Trigger Warnings"
 
At least android development uses a real programming language though webdev uses scripting languages unless its a web app but yes technically its some how related to programming since it uses java but also uses android SDK so yeah not really cool but still need some help here please :)
 
what an election. https://t.co/ein5jXdgSu
Say that again
 
Grab Them By the Pussy 2016
 
4:08 AM
@sehe bby u wanna c my big election
 
Oh wow.
Donald trump done goofed.
 
I can't wait to see what wonderful leak Russia's gonna give to even the balance
I'm gong for Clinton Blood Orgy
 
4:31 AM
@Mikhail GUI programming is a horrible field. You can't design good GUI without other people's input, but you can't decision good GUI with their input either...
 
Graphical User GUI Interfaces are the worst
 
Oh god. The shrieking of an undead pony. Make it stop you monster. Just put down the baseball bat. Oh god, please
 
hark a React Native
 
Honestly, I don't see how "React Native lets you build mobile apps using only JavaScript." is a selling point unless they append "without using PHP or Java". But nice GUI is usually a good selling point
 
So basically the controls are all written
your job is to display data from a database
so somebody wrote that already, you just drag and drop
 
4:42 AM
Drag and drop is nice (>@_@)>
Javascript is not nice <(@_@<)
But ultimately, getting the job done quickly and well is the nicest
 
shit my local coffee shop is closing
 
If this video is what is being referenced, I'm not sure I trust it not to be a dub, particularly due to the distortion (and the damning parts being off-camera). Nonetheless, I haven't seen a lot of good political moves in footage of Trump on-camera.
 
5:08 AM
Yeah, it's not flattering footage either way. But unfortunately the parts with Trump on camera are innocuous and the distortion makes me question whether other parts may have been modified from the original. It's been an interesting campaign with both candidates being (quite a bit) less politically adept than candidates usually are.
So the theory that Trump is a planted scapegoat to make Hillary look like a good choice amuses me a little bit
 
@Aaron3468 He's had time to say he didn't do it. That's not the tack he's taking. It would be uncharacteristic for him to just take a false accusation.
 
@Potatoswatter That is a possibility I've considered, and it's quite likely to be true, but unfortunately there isn't significant evidence to discredit the possibility of it being dubbed and released to influence polls.
It would be unfortunate if Trump won the presidency in my opinion, but America has already survived two terms of George W. Bush, so there are means to survive another politician of his type.
 
5:25 AM
Bush was not only a patrician, but a third-generation lackey of military industrialists. Trump comes from the urban underworld, and he made himself by diversifying into various swindles (not least, unironically selling the very concept of swindling to the ignorant masses).
In awakening to the idea that politicians altogether are bad people, Americans seem to be underestimating the differences between them…
 
You seem to have researched quite well. I suppose I'm oversimplifying for the sake of expressing that regulatory agencies help prevent some of the poorest decisions by presidents, though they cannot always prevent changes to policy.
 
Responsible regulation… America hasn't seen a technocrat campaign since Al Gore :(
 
@Mysticial really what's wrong with that conversation .. lol
 
Howard Dean was a technocrat
 
@Mikhail Oh yeah? Thanks, I never learned much about him. Still, that's 12 years ago now.
 
5:37 AM
The problem with technocrats is that it is physically impossible to be an expert at everything, and many policy questions are difficult and require debate. It is impossible to be a true technocrat.
 
And it's very difficult to quantify the damage of some policy decisions when no single person has been alive long enough to understand the problem space thoroughly enough. Especially when easily 80% of political decisions result in society continuing to function in greater or lesser degrees (as opposed to the clearly suboptimal decisions)
 
A lot of good policy comes of as politically incorrect.
 
I suppose politics is like GUI programming ;)
 
gooey
 
5:50 AM
sigh I really need to get work done on my projects, but all I've been doing is researching so I usually only finish trivial side-projects
 
Whats the project?
 
argh so sick
 
6:11 AM
The main one is a port of the gameboy emulator I wrote in python (that was unbearably slow). I've got most of the core of the C++ version complete but I haven't found a clean way to abstract opcodes, so I need to write functions for all 245 even though there's ~20 types of operations. The Rust emulation core is finished, but I'm having trouble initializing an encoder for gfx-rs using a glutin backend, so I can't start on rendering.
Among the alternative projects I can take on with similar complexity but less reliance on peripherals are an algebra parser/solver, or interpretting a rudimentary language of my own design. @Mikhail
 
Hmm, I have no good ideas for programming languages.
 
I have ideas, but my motivation is kaput. I need to find a day job.
 
Usually a day job kills your motivation
For example, when I worked 9 to 5, I worked 9 to 9
 
Yeah, I'm like that too. But, I need social contact and a sense of economic utility. And money.
Consulting would do, but I'd probably get fucked even harder at that.
 
6:33 AM
@LucDanton But are they setting the idea of a price??
@Aaron3468 I had a friend who once decided to write a simple emulator in ruby. In true OOP fashion he designed the emulator so that each instruction would be an instance of its instruction type which would ultimately derive from a base Instruction class.
It was hilariously slow.
 
@PatrickM'Bongo I bet :3 I was thinking more along the lines of dispatching from the general function to more specialized ones, but by that point my abstraction looks like an hourglass and might as well be flat. The python one is almost zero abstraction and it still runs at a whopping 40% speed without graphics and audio... on an i7-4790K ^^;
 
@PatrickM'Bongo but imagine the convenience whenever the emulated system evolves and add an instruction
 
(from reddit)
 
can’t say I’d be thrilled about the prospect of having to play on SH
 
Really? It's my favorite map.
 
6:43 AM
I've had an idea to write a blog series about performance optimization in a super-simple interpreter. On the back burner since 2010.
 
@PatrickM'Bongo they changed it
 
@LucDanton This, so much. There's not much point to adding abstraction to runtime code until you're compiling or parsing some other thing before runtime.
 
@LucDanton Uh, how?
 
the flaw with the original SH is that you had to use a build entirely tailored for the map, so it’d break the flaw. so they did away with all the lethal breakable platforms
 
Yes I had a cancer build 100% for that map
 
6:45 AM
the SH side objective is also less dominant, IIRC it’s a 3-cap like Stillness on whatitsface map
 
It was very effective because people would PM me insults
 
Temple
 
Temple is cool
 
almost related, someone was mad I didn’t use Shadow Refuge in the mine and golem segment of Sorrow's Embrace p1 (the Inquest path), if that rings a bell
 
Also unplayable in hot join because people don't know how to play it
 
6:46 AM
I’ve never in my life used stealth for this bit
 
Skippers are annoying
 
no lol
I run through it
everytime, no stealth required
it’s a bunch of mines and 3 static golems you dodge
 
I don't even remember
 
I’m not surprised it’s not memorable or anything
 
If there's no content to skip then it's not skippin'
 
6:48 AM
and out of all the bullshit things a pick-up idiot would be mad at me, it would be this one of course
I asked them if they also stealth the arah mines and they said no
I was very confused
 
they also re-did Capricorn and now we have Eternal Coliseum, too, btw
 
Capricorn was kinda baddish
 
fun fact: in all these years I’ve never roamed the map beyond the first cap
 
Of which, Capricorn?
 
6:53 AM
@PatrickM'Bongo so you’re a scrub in dungeons too then?
@PatrickM'Bongo yeah, 'all these years' doesn’t really apply to the others
 
@LucDanton I don't skip content in dungeons (I play with friends and we have a strict no-skip policy)
 
but you played engi
 
depends on the dungeon, teef sometimes also
 
well, that has even more stealth in the kit ._.
 
not for skipping (◡‿◡✿)
 
6:56 AM
that’s exactly what stealth is about
I bet you can’t even solo Caudecus p2
 
I don't think I've ever tried
 
so
there’s a door you have to blast through
they have stealth detecting patrols
and the mobs are mostly after the powder barrels you use to blast through and not you yourself
it’s exactly a stealth sequence
the dungeons were literally designed for this sort of thing
and for one-shotting Lupicus, too!
 
1 shotting Lupicus what
I've seen the takedowns in 7 seconds or what was it but 1 shot?
 
yeah that’s the one
you still have to do the whole p1 'normally' lol
 
7:58 AM
In shenzhen, wandering around, having 2 courses afternoon tea at random place
so many polices here ...
 
8:22 AM
17
Q: How could MACUSA exist in 1693 or be in Washington in 1777?

SkoobaTwo brief excerpts from The Magical Congress of the United States of America (MACUSA) By J.K. Rowling on Pottermore state the following: The Magical Congress of the United States of America, known to American witches and wizards by the abbreviation MACUSA (commonly pronounced as: Mah – cooz ...

 
8:46 AM
I made progress with my ksp panel
 
:D Which part is that? Just the blinky light indicator with flashing/fading controls?
 
@Aaron3468 yeah
I want to put a grid over that
the green and red ones are near others because I want them to alter
but really I'm experimenting, I figured I want to see it in action
 
9:02 AM
What kind of information will it be indicating?
 
@Aaron3468 SAS, stage status
I'll see what I can get out
actually I am planning to do some software today and see what I could present
also it's a bit sucky because the blue leds shine much brighter than the other ones
 
Yeah, use stronger resistors for green and blue leds usually
 
actually the green ones are a bit too dim
 
Oh, that's interesting. Usually greens and blues are the strongest colours in the same model of leds.
Probably not the same models, but who knows. doesn't matter too much
 
I have to write some code to abstract over the panels anyway
since I have a few modular controls
also I really need to get myself a toolkit to make PCBs
 
9:13 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Personally I think milling is the easiest way, but then there's all the people who use etching.
 
9:24 AM
hmm variadic templates on arduino
what could go wrong
 
Hardware nuts solve abstraction problems with moar microcontrollers
 
@LucDanton Do you know why std::get_if takes a variant*? ._.
 
template<class Transport>
class OutInterface {
    void rawTransmit(byte b, byte... rest) {
        Transport::transmit(b);
        rawTransmit(rest...);
    }

public:
    void transmit(byte... bytes) {
        Transport::start();
        rawTransmit(bytes...);
        Transport::end();
    }
};
how about that
oh needs edge case for rawTransmit I guess
 
Missing the template params right?
 
9:28 AM
So you'd have one (arduino) communicating to the computer via USB, then pushing simple messages to different processing units. e.g, an altitude and orientation meter, a stage indicator, the control array, etc.
 
@PatrickM'Bongo what template params?
 
@PatrickM'Bongo lol, holdover from Boost.Variant where it’s part of the get overload (so it has to be disambiguated) is my guess
 
@BartekBanachewicz byte...
 
@BartekBanachewicz looks good, as long as arduino support templates.
 
oh wait I have to template if I want variadcs
 
9:28 AM
Yeah.
 
I forgot about that
 
@LucDanton facepalm
 
maybe I'll use initializer_list instead
 
9:30 AM
@PatrickM'Bongo apparently it’s a recent renaming, so maybe it’ll be fixed
 
that looks much easier
 
initializer_list is a can of worms too
@LucDanton famous last hopes
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz IMO it's not worth making them at home
 
@Ell not having to wait for them is a nice thing'
 
One cheap option is just soldering wires together and insulating with a glue gun. punch wires through a rectangular piece of plastic if you need structural support.
 
9:37 AM
meh
 
use twine
 
btw, any good place to find info on preserving cache locality? Looks like that's a big place my knowledge is lacking
 
ping mysticial until he finally surrenders
 
^ Resistance is futile!! @Mysticial
In the meantime, I'm going to research, sleep, and eat
 
> fatal error: initializer_list: No such file or directory
 
9:52 AM
You could just use variadics and constrain the argument types
 
> fatal error: saw your face, committed suicide
 
that's too complex
 
@Aaron3468 What is there to find? You just keep your shit close together in memory?
 
@BartekBanachewicz how ._.
 
@PatrickM'Bongo how do you do that again
I can't easily find the syntax
 
9:59 AM
Omg, there is now Veganism+ movement.
Somehow, I wish for this civilization to burn and die now.
 
what more would you take out after already being a vegan
 
@Puppy Do you know about Atheism+? Apparently, Veganism+ is veganism plus feminism plus animal rights.
 
atheism is already the best possible religious perspective, there's not much to add there
 
blergh another iteration of that discussion
 
@Puppy Oh my, have you never heard of the train wreck that is atheism+?
 
10:02 AM
boring
 
@wilx fuck that really
 
@BartekBanachewicz EnableIf<Conjuction<IsSame<Arg, byte>...>> or something (or static assert)
 
@PatrickM'Bongo ugh'
 
nwp
@user143252 you do, try a C room
 
1 message moved to bin
 
10:03 AM
:33365968 you're scanning the newline characrter or something
I'm wondering how to express an n-byte device
I think I need another abstraction layer
 
c with class ... so i guess c is included here
2
 
@user143252 oh fuck off
3
LedPanel -> OneByteDevice -> HardwareSPITransport
that way I can structure the code more or less the actual device is structured physically
I'm wondering whether the latch pin should belong to the SPI transport class or to the device class though
OutDevice<HardwareSpi, 10> device;
device.transmit(state);
 
>CamelCase
 
does anyone know how to modify "All configurations" for a Visual Studio 2015 project?
 
what about it?
@Сыч go into properties, select all configurations, edit.
 
10:07 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I thought you were doing C++
 
@PatrickM'Bongo IDGAF about C++ snake_case
call that Bartek++
 
@BartekBanachewicz only the debugging settings are here
 
I'm wondering whether to stronly-enum the port number
@Сыч what language
 
can't modify include directories, defines and the like
c++
 
@BartekBanachewicz Might as well do Rust then
 
10:08 AM
@PatrickM'Bongo is there a rustduino
 
> Because I have such a basic level of code, I can’t do anything nice like blink an LED.
 
an LED
 
@Сыч there's a tree on the left
click it
 
there is nothing in this tree
 
10:09 AM
ergh, this guy can fuck off too
 
^
I'm not in a mood to help newblets, I have to structure this code at least somehow
 
Ven
hi
 
k, it seems to work
 
nwp
one needs to prefix the question with the secret code: I have a doubt of arbitrary velocity.
Is greasemonkey the way to go for firefox user scripts?
wait, I needed to ask if anyone uses firefox first
 
I do but no userscripts
 
10:19 AM
no
 
C++ (pronounced cee plus plus, /ˈsiː plʌs plʌs/) is a general-purpose programming language. It has imperative, object-oriented and generic programming features, while also providing facilities for low-level memory manipulation. It was designed with a bias toward system programming and embedded, resource-constrained and large systems, with performance, efficiency and flexibility of use as its design highlights. C++ has also been found useful in many other contexts, with key strengths being software infrastructure and resource-constrained applications, including desktop applications, servers (e.g...
"In 1979, Bjarne Stroustrup, a Danish computer scientist, began work on the predecessor to C++, "C with Classes".[8] The motivation for creating a new language originated from Stroustrup's experience in programming for his Ph.D. thesis. "
 
> 1979
stare at that number long and hard
 
also the word "predecessor"
 
well starting ksp with the SerialIO plugin
 
KSP is a great game
 
10:27 AM
@Puppy too bad it's so badly made
 
how so?
 
the menus and the UI are godawful
having to leave to menu to rebind controls :/
 
user1804599
Hi
 
10:45 AM
uh
KSP doesn't seem to want to talk to my arduino
 
user1804599
Are you sending an Arduino into outer space?
 
@rightfold I'm trying to get telemetrics from it
eh damn and now I can't build this thing from sources because it needs .net 4.5.2
ugh
 
@nwp I don't read programmers.se
 
nwp
I thought about your argument for SQL logfiles when I read that.
 
also binary format and an SQL db are two different things
 
11:24 AM
well okay so I got the sim to work
let's try real ksp
ugh
of course not working
 
Hey uh
I got a quesiton for you gus
What happens to the standard library if exceptions are disabled?
 
@Morwenn I managed to salvage some performance without performance loss on vectors
instead of doing this:
        for (int i = 0; i < num; ++i) std::iter_swap(first + offsets_l[i], last - 1 - offsets_r[i]);
do this
int last_offset_l = 0;
int last_offset_r = 0;
Iter it_l = first;
Iter it_r = last - 1;
for (int i = 0; i < num; ++i) {
    it_l += offsets_l[i] - last_offset_l;
    it_r -= offsets_r[i] - last_offset_r;
    last_offset_l = offsets_l[i];
    last_offset_r = offsets_r[i];
    std::iter_swap(it_l, it_r);
}
this seems more complex, but it makes sure that we keep doing small increments
 
But why
 
@VermillionAzure because std::deque's iterator is complex
and it destroys performance for my sorting implementation
 
@orlp No I mean what are you trying to do?
Also why are you using deque?
 
11:37 AM
@VermillionAzure I'm not
I'm writing std::sort
 
@orlp Programming assignment?
 
@VermillionAzure no
I thought by now everyone knew in this room :P
 
> Pattern-defeating quicksort (pdqsort) is a novel sorting algorithm that combines the fast average case of randomized quicksort with the fast worst case of heapsort, while achieving linear time on inputs with certain patterns. pdqsort is an extension and improvement of David Mussers introsort. All code is available for free under the zlib license.
> novel
NOVEL
 
?
I believe it is, what's wrong with that?
 
Nothing it's an academic meme
Also, this is pretty interesting...
Introsort that is
 
11:40 AM
pdqsort is pretty much a strict upgrade over introsort
 
TBH it seems quite complex
 
the code? or the concepts? or?
 
Ven
Hi
 
Also congrats you manage to make me feel like a failure
 
11:46 AM
I did?
 
the ksp ecosystem is such a fucking craphole
god damn it
 
@BartekBanachewicz code or otherwise?
@orlp Well yes.
 
@VermillionAzure everything
 
You're a year ahead of me and you're fucking designing a std::sort that's faster
@BartekBanachewicz :(
 
@VermillionAzure don't worry
 
11:47 AM
@orlp No, I will worry
 
I can't get the SerialIO to load
 
just google "<your dream> done by a chinese 6 year old girl"
100,000 results
 
@orlp Can I see your curriculum?
I'm interested
 
@VermillionAzure my university curriculum?
 
@orlp yes
 
11:49 AM
because pdqsort has nothing to do with my university courses tbh
everything I know about it came from my own free time
 
you're in luck, a day ago I translated my curriculum from dutch to english
 
Yeah, I feel like a failure
Do you guys go through Fourier/Lapalce?
 
@VermillionAzure that's more signal processing / continuous math
I don't believe that's given in an undergraduate class
 
@orlp So that's a yes?
@orlp At my school it's mandatory for my major
 
11:51 AM
oh lol
now i feel dumb
i installed the plugin badly
it works!!
 
@BartekBanachewicz clap clap clap
 
i turn the SAS on and a led lits
 
@orlp I just wish I could take the same CS classes that you have
We don't have compilers at our school
Or graphics I think
And our last class is operating systems in-major
 
there's a bit of a delay
but it doesn't look bad at all
ok let's try getting my number display to show some useful data
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hey Bartek
Why did Joseph Fourier feel like a failure?
 
11:53 AM
wtf?
 
Because he couldn't develop the FIVEier transform.
He could only go 4/5iers
 
@VermillionAzure if I ever learned something in uni
it's that the only thing they really learn you is what to learn
(the curriculum)
anything they've taught me was also available in wiki, books, online resources, etc
 
@orlp You're paying for the structure and the lectures and the testing
At the very least. Which is what I need, personally
Because I know that I can't teach myself BJTs
 
BJT?
bipolar junction transistors?
 
blowjob theory
 
11:57 AM
@BartekBanachewicz here at our uni we learn theoretical blowjob theory
or at least
if you're hetero
 
@orlp yes
 
user1804599
@sehe How do you solve the problem of duplicating business rules across <app language> and SQL? You need it in SQL for efficient sorting/filtering, and you need it in <app language> for instant feedback in GUI
 
okey
time to fix the example for SerialIO
 
My classes are killing me now
I have a probability exam on Monday
It's literally RIDDLES 399
 
I've never found probability that hard
 
11:59 AM
@orlp Do you WANT our questions?
 
I dno
what sort of probability is it?
combinatorics?
 

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