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11:00 PM
lol
 
Pretty much the same interface, no loss of functionality.
 
lol
imma bet that if you call shog here he'll reply with "who are you guys again?"
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ well I got the idea I annoyed you by my actions, and then you put that message there, I wasn't sure what to expect.
 
Also, it's a simple power play. If they take a look at the transcript, it is clear as day we like our cocks and vags (in a slightly humourous, "tasteful-almost" context). So, they either do mind and are doing their job. Or they don't mind and a mod is just flexing.
 
11:02 PM
Some mods come here to chill out. They mind in the good way.
 
lol
 
May 17 '14 at 0:02, by DeadMG
I'll get the robot to re-add me later.
 
@Shog9 We're gonna give the puppy another chance at that this. He's only screwed up this badly once and it's been a while. If you disagree, please remove him.
 
He was not even smart about it
 
11:02 PM
Don't add Puppy until the lampshade comes off.
 
He barely waited a minute
 
there i fixed the room
 
Ugh don't fucking add me
 
I pinch myself every time Martin posts something.
 
Ell
what is happening now :L
I thought @CatPlusPlus didn't want to be owner
 
11:03 PM
Bartek 2015
 
inb4 bartek room owner
 
Post
 
@BartekBanachewicz LOL
 
Cat is back, Puppy is back, Martin is back.
 
@AlexM. lol no
 
11:03 PM
#Nooble2015
 
How many times do I have to fucking repeat myself about this
 
rapptz wot r u doin
 
rapptz pls stahp
 
11:04 PM
This seems like a bad time to pop up:(
 
I don't want more drama m80
 
At this point you might as well make Bartek RO honestly
I consider him much more suited than Puppy
 
Oh.... bye
 
Make @Nooble RO
 
I'll go to sleep too, it's late :<
 
11:05 PM
@MartinJames :(
 
Nooble ≫ Barket
 
Or even Nooble really
 
Ell
@MartinJames bye :(
 
Nooble is not old enough to have pubes yet, dammit <3
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Now we're talkin'
 
11:05 PM
Nooble is a freshman
 
Or Cicada
 
Nooble2016
 
Is Cicada RO, I don't remember
 
Need sleeps... maybe more annoyances tomorrow.
 
@ElimGarak I disagree
 
11:05 PM
Cicada is not readily identified.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ no
 
I was here years before Alex, jeff, anal phabet, nooble, w/e came here
 
We need to write a script to identify Cicada
@BartekBanachewicz Can confirm
 
Cicada is our roguelike element
 
But then again I have a gripe with robot and he'd never agree to give me RO privileges
 
11:07 PM
Yeah, put Bartek in place of Puppy as room owner
 
I'd be a great RO, but I am a flight risk, so they won't post my bail.
 
Ell
@ElimGarak lol he's 15 at least
 
@Ell 15 is not old enough for anything
 
Ell
I bet everyone would let me be owner
not that I'd know what to do with those powers :P
 
15 is toy firetruck age
 
Ell
11:07 PM
@MartinJames Nighty night
 
Yeah, Ell, ever better than Bartek
 
@Ell Nite:)
 
There are not really many powers. Now that Telkitty is gone, I'd pretty much have nothing to do.
 
Hm, does anyone know some household items that are exactly 2.4mm in height/thickness?
 
Bin things
 
11:08 PM
If you consider time joined a main criteria Ell's first indeed
 
R# gets confused by classes called the same but in different namespaces
 
change the room title
 
@ElimGarak Remove help vamps
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
11:08 PM
Namespaces are fairly useless in C#
 
Change room topic
 
The fuck is R# even
 
Too many languages with that problem
 
@Gizmo I know some that are 2.4cm in thickness.
 
Fuck flattening import
 
11:09 PM
@Morwenn but the mouse on my robot doesn't work, how am I supposed to figure out it's position now :(
 
Seriously, R# is not a thing
 
It's ReSharper you butt
 
RV Hugh R Sharp is a research vessel owned and operated by the University of Delaware College of Earth, Ocean, and Environment in Lewes, Delaware operating as a member of the University-National Oceanographic Laboratory System (UNOLS). She is a replacement for Cape Henlopen. At 150 feet (46 m) in length, Hugh R Sharp is a mid-sized research vessel designed for expeditions lasting up to 21 days. The ship spends most of her time working in the Mid-Atlantic coastal region. Hugh R Sharp was delivered to the University of Delaware in December 2005, and the first scientific voyage was undertaken in March...
This?
 
11:10 PM
Oh I see
Some VS plugin
 
@CatPlusPlus eh I once tried to rename a method MyClass.Create and then it proceeded to ask me if I want to rename 1120 occurrences of "Create" in comments and files all over the place
I was wondering why it took so long to find occurrences
 
If you use Resharper you're no real programmer..
 
What's a real programmer and why would I want to be one?
 
Never used it, and don't plan to
 
Yes yes true programmers only use stones to carve out bits in the disk plates in their caves
 
11:12 PM
anyone here using funnel?
 
Not gizmo
 
Never use tools
christ
 
it's pretty useful and shit
 
@AlexM. yeah, that is a little scary, renaming things like Name or Value.
 
I still write on punchcards
 
11:12 PM
But then again who are we to talk with such Real Programmers
 
I'll release gta 6 in 666 years
 
You are a punchcard
 
@JohanLarsson why does it even attempt to rename things that are not inside MyClass or called on instances of MyClass in the first place
 
Such real
 
R# slows down VS a lot though
 
11:13 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ A real programmer is a programmer who doesn't know the difference between floats and doubles, so he uses something that abstracts it behind the concept of real numbers.
 
That's inspiring
I want to be that
 
Poop floats
 
@AlexM. makes sense for xaml and perhaps tests
 
Doubles sink
 
Oh, yeah. Why aren't fixed point numbers used that much?
 
11:13 PM
We use floats and double to represent money.
 
Not enough languages have built-in arbitrary precision decimals
 
the ultimate sin
 
I like how scheme's logo is just a plain lambda
they didn't even try to stylize it
 
I always find float and double fairly weird with regards to anything
 
@LucDanton :Obsession all the way
Also, hi @Martin. Thanks for dropping by (did you get tipped off Robot was stalking you to check whether you were alright?)
 
11:14 PM
Fixed points are useful for less things than floating points and arbitrary precision
 
Let's play a game. The first room owner to add Cat as a room owner for the longest time before he finds out and removes himself is the winner.
13
 
hahahaha
 
I don't like games with complicated rules and waaaaaay too much room for sabotage
 
I'll remove myself from snack overflow
 
11:15 PM
Starts now. Ends in a month.
 
protip, he'll never remove himself
 
we could also surprise add LRiO to owners and bet on how long it takes from when he receives the notification until he comes and drops the nukes
 
@CatPlusPlus noooooooooooooooooo :(
 
@CatPlusPlus No you won't
 
@TonyTheLion Grand Theft Auto V uses a 32-bit signed integer to represent money. So you kinda go below zero if you earn more than $2,147,483,648. (By playing the market after the last mission, for example).
 
11:16 PM
2015
 
oh wow
 
@CatPlusPlus No that would make the game too easy.
 
@CatPlusPlus What a time to be alive!
 
@ElimGarak stupid console ports it's their fault
 
If you fold a piece of 0.099mm-thick paper 103 times, the thickness of the paper will be larger than the observable Universe: 93 billion light-years, to be exact.
 
11:16 PM
Using 64 bits is too expensive
 
Ah at least my mouse doens't need the whole universe
 
After all there's so many player money variables
 
inb4 Cat gets pissed, removes every other RO and becomes the lounge dictator
 
@Gizmo your mom does tho
 
If you do some other impossible thing, another impossible thing might also occur
 
11:17 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Cat is not like that. :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz so boring
come up with new jokes
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I don't think he cares enough to dictate anything
 
Is Gizmo Telkitty?
 
gimme something I can steal and use and do like i'm cool in front of my friends
 
11:18 PM
@TonyTheLion That's a good point
 
He's some kid
 
@ElimGarak no
@BartekBanachewicz on my plonklist
 
@TonyTheLion plonk
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I sometimes hate it (when I happily keep undoing and I get the changes I made last year)
 
I plonked him as well, fuck that guy.
 
11:19 PM
@ElimGarak plonk plonk
 
Yeah, he isn't being constructive
 
@sehe Sehe, are you abusing the load older messages button? :P
 
@ElimGarak Its his favorite button imho
 
No. Transcript FTW (had to know about Martin's magical meanderings)
 
Cool. Type introspection in Haskell seems nice, I won't even need TH because fuck compiletime
 
11:20 PM
TH?
 
What's TH again?
 
Turd Hurdles?
 
Type Hustlin'
 
Town Hall?
 
Transvestite Hiding
 
11:21 PM
@BartekBanachewicz definitely not a highscore. Definitely
 
Who's gonna help me beginning to write a chat.SO clone using Postgrest?
 
I feel the enthusiasm welling up in the Lounge right now, as everyone carefully considers how much :effort: they are not going to put into making a chat.SO clone.
 
@elyse imagining how turned on rightfold was at this very moment he discovered Bartek was bartekking ASTs
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ doesn't exist. Also: rightfold
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion don't need one any more, an open source solution exists
I posted it a while ago
 
11:24 PM
DeadMGing, Bartekking, Rightfolding
 
I'd like to develop a small, but coolio app that is useful and has something to do with the lounge.
 
@sehe What doesn't exist?
 
quite a few loungers have turned into verbs
 
Postgrest
 
11:24 PM
@Ell I am aware, but no one here wants any of those
 
There's quite a few open source solutions and none of them are nearly as solid as just running IRC or XMPP
 
IRC has been running on my machine since we re-opened that channel
 
Ell
but IRC and XMPP don't have cool features
I need the features
 
FEATURES!!!
 
"Lounge Security Intelligence", an app dossier of all the worst offenders in the history of the Lounge with a nice almost CSI-hilarious presentation, updated as needed.
 
11:26 PM
oh god. I do puns.
I can bear dad jokes.
But this.

No.
@BartekBanachewicz straw manning like a pro
 
Are you ok?
 
I don't want another shitty useless web-based thing
 
I want a cookie
 
Once you have a web based API you can pretty much implement any frontend you want
 
After you have an API, you can... Rest.
 
11:27 PM
dat pun
 
ha ha
slow clap
 
Ell
but xmpp api really sucks
 
But you have to make the fucking frontend, frontends to established protocols already exist
 
fast fap
 
Ell
why would the do xml as a stream
 
11:28 PM
Has anyone ripped this talk to shreads yet? @Rapptz maybe?
 
And don't need Chromium to run
 
@Borgleader I can't even stomach to watch it.
 
@Borgleader Why rip it to shreds?
 
Or the one from EA. It's like a homeless person is trying to teach another homeless person how not to be homeless.
 
ie, whats the problem with it?
 
11:29 PM
@TonyTheLion ECS have bad rep in the lounge IIRC
 
Entity component system
 
@Borgleader That talk is awesome.
 
@ElimGarak You could learn a lot from homeless people.
 
@Borgleader Never used.
 
11:30 PM
like what not to do, if you don't want to be homeless
 
@Nooble Like my dick I've dealt with them but never implemented one
 
ECS is not that bad once you ignore all the gamedev bullshit
 
It has been kinda popular for game tech, representing all the shit without clogging up the toilet with inheritance.
 
And the inevitably fucked up API designs from people doing gamedev
 
Yeah
 
11:30 PM
And C++ in particular
 
@ElimGarak Ugh... I still remember the insanely deep inheritance trees in UDK
that shit was retarded
 
UE's codebase is seriously retarded.
 
a bunch of members were being replaced by others and the only way to know was to look at the code for parents up
 
Ugggh of course he mentions cache and overhead on the second slide
 
hahaha
 
11:31 PM
@CatPlusPlus performance bro
 
Gamedev 2015, still whining about insignificant virtual calls
 
I do realtime full global illumination approximating and I am not giving up on my virtuals. So, that's pretty full of shit and ancient days parroting.
 
"Deep allocations" like it's somehow fundamentally linked
What the fuck does 'deep allocation' even mean
 
@StackedCrooked care to lift a tip of the veil?
 
@Borgleader I haven't watched a single CppCon talk.
 
11:33 PM
They read it on a blog somewhere and it made them look smart. Cinch(tm)
 
@Borgleader The main problem with this talk seems to me that it's heavy reliance on metaprogramming discourages people.
 
"When you make shitty design, the design is shitty"
 
The concept of that talk is good (I watched it).
But the implementation is VOMIT.
 
Of course it is
It's modern C++
 
It's the messiest thing I've ever seen.
 
11:34 PM
From gamedevs
 
The concept is good, because they didn't come up with it. The part they did come up with (the implementation) is not.
 
My ECS implementation is the tits
 
There's a lot of compile-time fuckery where the concept sounds nice, but the implementation looks like a bus hit it three times and it still just decided it wouldn't die.
 
"Composition" "runtime overhead due to virtual functions" what
 
@Rapptz you should share your tits then
 
11:35 PM
I'm pretty sure I have
 
Do they even know how virtuals work?
 
in the past..
 
oh I probably missed it
 
@CatPlusPlus dat kicker
 
I think you only talked about it, never linked it.
 
11:36 PM
Heyyy @ThePhD <3 <3 :)
 
He literally shows the trivial ECS implementation on next slide :laffo:
 
@TonyTheLion Hiii Tony ♥
 
Copied from some blog probs.
 
"OOP composition" like hell
 
@ThePhD How are you today?
 
11:36 PM
I'm okay.... just woke up from a nap.
That I wasn't sure I was having until I woke up from it.
 
ohh a nap, nice
I love a good nap
I was gonna take one over lunch today, but forgot
 
@sehe It's a C++14 hana-style take on how to work with heterogenous collections.
 
My naps don't go very well. I don't know which century it is when I wake up.
 
His code is very nice.
 
@ElimGarak Sounds like you nap fairly solidly
I mean I have taken a "nap" and slept for 2 hours.
 
11:37 PM
However, I feel like it's too complicated for me.
Hence discouraging.
 
"System" is the most dumbest name ever
 
Anything more than a simple template is discouraging
 
@StackedCrooked lel, see above
 
See for yourself :)
 
C++ is discouraging
 
11:38 PM
class Manager;
 
@CatPlusPlus More than Manager?
 
class ResourceManager : public Manager
 
world class Manager
 
class Manager : public Man, *ger
 
11:39 PM
class Something
 
PhysObject
 
class BadManager : Manager
 
"Physics" is too long to type
 
Jagged!
 
11:39 PM
CirclePhysDrawableRectObject is cool tho
 
Also, why do none of these gamedev shops use snake_case?
 
I <3 snake_case
5
 
His implementation has a combination of risingPascalCase and just PascalCase
 
Because snake_case_takes_up_a_shitload_of_space
 
11:39 PM
It's weird.
 
Because they don't want to who cares
It's not important
 
@ThePhD because snake_case is all wriggly like the standard
 
@TonyTheLion Hey, me too
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ <3
 
setPos setVel setAcc
Type out the fucking names goddamit
 
11:40 PM
@CatPlusPlus ewwww
 
@TonyTheLion actually most codebases remove the coupling with all the unused behaviours by doing class BadManager : public PointyHaired, protected Phony {...}; using Manager = BadManager;
 
@ThePhD I don't know, when will it?
 
What is this? C89?
 
Never favour writers over readers
8
 
inb4 setAccu for set_accuracy
 
11:41 PM
@Mysticial if he screws it up, there's every chance I'll make you the sole room owner and prevent that from changing. But, happy thoughts...
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh, my god. This.
 
Shog! What's your opinion on Entity Component Systems?
 
@CatPlusPlus That's basically 40% of programming
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion me 2 bro
 
11:41 PM
@sehe His introduction begins by showing a traditional OOP-style solution. He even managed to make that code look gorgeous.
 
@Ell <3
 
@AlexM. Correct. Let's keep it that way!
 
Can't wait for that coffee
 
I skipped ahead few times but this talk is extremely boring
And also mentions MPL and type lists
 
@ThePhD sounds enterprisy. Can I get some broker with that?
 
11:42 PM
@CatPlusPlus Thanks for the heads up
 
@Morwenn isn't your library already focused on small scale fixed size arrays, so that that particular part of the application is apparent for every function in your library? Then all that's left is to indicate which is best for the comparisons, moves, etc, right?
 
@Shog9 You can get some gamedecs with it. :D
 
Gameface
 
oh, it's like an actor system but focused on data instead of behaviors
that makes sense.
Stupid name, good idea.
 
It's p much just dynamic composition
Actor systems are infinitely more useful thing :v
 
11:44 PM
meh
 
Are actor systems part of the RealOOP C++ doesn't "support"?
 
@jaggedSpire No, it also includes general-purpose sorters and even non-comparison sorters, such as a wrapper aroud Boost.Spreadsort.
Also, it exposes the building blocks that allow to pick the best sorter.
 
> RealOOP
lol
 
No, actor systems are a distributed thing
Nothing to do with OOP
 
it has message passing
 
11:47 PM
(Though messaging-based OOP can be seen as local actor system sort of maybe)
 
@TonyTheLion RationalOOP
 
It matters whether the messaging is synchronous or not
 
@Morwenn ah. That would make it a bit more complicated then. I suspect you're against grouping them in namespaces by purpose?
 
@Shog9 wut
 
lol
 
11:49 PM
@jaggedSpire I would avoid that while it's not needed. They do have some similarities but not the same purpose :)
 
@Morwenn aight. Just thinking on the keyboard.
 
@jaggedSpire I guess I could have sorter:: and adapter:: namespaces instead of adding _sorter and _adapter to the class names, but sorter::merge or sorter::quick just seem weird :/
 
@Morwenn yeah, that would a bit. Maybe have verbose class names and then templated aliases, so a client can decide they want a specific subset of them easily available and make an alias template of your alias template?
 
@Morwenn sort<sorter::merge>(stuff)
hm :/
 
@jaggedSpire Well, I guess nobody will want 50 sorting algorithms at different places in the same project, so verbose names are probably not a real problem :)
@melak47 sort(stuff, merge_sorter{});
 
11:54 PM
@Morwenn true.
 
Ell
girl comes up to me and says: "What ya drivin'?" and I said "bugatti"
 
Ell like a G6 <3
 
I think namespaces should not be used for categorization.
 
@Morwenn sort::merger? :D
 
Ell
26
Q: Is it good practice to rely on headers being included transitively?

futlibI'm cleaning up the includes in a C++ project I'm working on, and I keep wondering whether or not I should explicitly include all headers used directly in a particular file, or whether I should only include the bare minimum. Here's an example, Entity.hpp: #include "RenderObject.hpp" #include "T...

^what are your thoughts?
@StackedCrooked why not?
 
11:56 PM
@ThePhD sort::takeover<hostile>?
 
@melak47 Yeah!
 
@ThePhD I already have a sorter_merger in my hybrid_adapter that merges sorters together. It would be downright confusing x)
 
@Morwenn Oh, well then!
 
Ell
@Morwenn sounds like you're writing a sort combinator lib
 
Oh, right.
 
Ell
11:58 PM
not sure how to structure c++ parser.
 
@Ell I provide sorters and ways to combine them.
 
@Ell I try to include all the headers directly used, when I don't know the transitively included headers always will be.
 
@Borgleader I think during this weekend I'm going to try to make OpenEXR compile/work with my lib.
 
@Morwenn are you writing a sort bomb
 
using default_sorter = self_sort_adapter<
    small_array_adapter<
        hybrid_adapter<
            merge_sorter,
            rebind_iterator_category<
                quick_sorter,
                std::bidirectional_iterator_tag
            >,
            pdq_sorter
        >,
        std::make_index_sequence<14u>
    >
>;
Here is the library's default sort :p
 
Ell
11:59 PM
ah cool
I'd never thought of sorter combinators
 

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