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1:00 PM
He acted like a total dipshit so I figure I've earned a few good ole Bartek-style arguments
 
@BartekBanachewicz Quit that passive aggressive attitude
 
@Rerito He's just listing things he thinks are defects of mine.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wtf
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz who is J. Wankely? :P
it sounds p funny
 
1:01 PM
Like when he tried to be mean by mentioning my hearing impairment.
@Ell Jonathan Wakely.
 
Guess the n was there to add a pun
 
It was a bad pun granted
 
I think it's a good one.
 
first time I see the guy, what's the deal with him and coming here?
 
Just some discussion in comments that erupted.
 
1:03 PM
He's a libstdc++ maintainer and occasional flamer
yep
 
Dang, I wish I could ping him here now.
with a link to that litb bug report
 
@Mr.kbok That second part intrigues me :p
 
hasn't he been in here before?
 
He has
 
only once
 
1:04 PM
and can't you ping anyone who's been in a room?
 
Nah, more than hat.
 
@jaggedSpire No, it, err, expires after a while.
 
@jaggedSpire Only for a while.
 
Oh, thanks.
 
@Rerito search for his id here
 
1:05 PM
I remember his Troy McClure profile impersonation
 
@jaggedSpire I think you can reply to a message of theirs if you can find one
 
Please don't do that.
 
sorry
 
Calldown from heaven.
 
@AlexM. ah.
 
1:11 PM
That's not a good idea though...
 
Yeah, it's not a good idea.
 
Xeo
@Mysticial So far only One-Punch Man (because glorious) and Gundam (because buddy and I always watch those). Didn't find anything else that looked good. :/
 
... It's a great idea!
 
@ThePhD :|
 
@jaggedSpire c:
 
1:12 PM
@ThePhD :3
 
@jaggedSpire :c
 
@ThePhD :|
 
@jaggedSpire :[
 
@ThePhD I'm still listening to DJ Okawari because of you .______.
 
@Morwenn :D
 
1:13 PM
Third tea of the day it is...
 
@jaggedSpire :v
 
Shitfaced
 
@Rerito Ooooh, that's what I should do :o
 
@ThePhD vOv
 
@jaggedSpire /o\
 
1:14 PM
bleh
 
Yay, design issues again.
 
@Morwenn Dunno what tea you drink but I like Yogi Tea blends :)
 
@Mr.kbok :>
 
I asked my girlfriend, who is overworked, if she needed help
 
@Rerito Generally orange-cinnamon tea or Lady Grey.
 
Ell
1:15 PM
what did she say?
 
Tonight I'm going to make a few dozen paper flowers :/
 
Hahaha
Get rekt.
 
@Mr.kbok good luck!
 
ofc it has to be something shitty or it's not really help you know
will post pics
 
@Mr.kbok Wanted to lighten her load rather than help her get even more done?
 
1:17 PM
@Morwenn I'ld recommend this one then :)
 
Ell
@Mr.kbok lol I thoughty you were going to say she said you were implying she isn't good enough or sthng
you got off lightly
that's a bad sentence :S
 
I want to break my small_array_sorter into three categories: algorithms for speed, algorithms with a minimal average number of comparisons and algorithms with a minimal average number of swaps. Should I use template policies or provide three different sorters?
 
Xeo
Whee, we got 9 languages in our game now.
 
@Rerito It looks good, but I'm generally too lazy to make real tea .____.
 
@Xeo ... Wh...
 
1:18 PM
@Morwenn Meeeh, you can find it in bags as well
 
Oh.
 
@Xeo more benefits, right?
 
@Griwes erm. Symphonies are rarely stuffed into studios. Which means that they could as well have audience there. Live recordings are very usual for orchestral/concert pieces
 
Xeo
@ThePhD what?
 
Nine languages?
 
1:19 PM
@BartekBanachewicz oh. you made the point already
 
How do you even?
 
@Morwenn Here... It's quite more pricey though
 
I will break that into three sorters. It will make it clearer and template policies would be rather useless.
 
@Griwes so... which is it. You don't mind too much about the noise/repeated copying etc. but you mind about audience noises...
 
@sehe No, he doesn't mind it.
 
Xeo
1:20 PM
@ThePhD EN, DE, ES, IT, PT, PL, ZH, RU, FR.
 
@Rerito I will buy that for Christmas then :p
 
Xeo
I don't quite see the problem. :P
(Guess you thought I meant programming languages?)
 
@sehe Well. Yes, that's true, though that kind of concert halls is generally developed specifically to make them sound kind of like it's a studio.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes he makes it a big deal (which it isn't. directional mics are a thing)
 
@sehe Yeah, what Robot said.
 
1:20 PM
@Morwenn I've drunk liters of it, it's really nice :)
 
user1804599
fn f<T>(n: T) -> <<<T as Add>::Output as Mul<T>>::Output as Sub<T>>::Output
        where T: Copy + Add, <T as Add>::Output: Mul<T>, <<T as Add>::Output as Mul<T>>::Output: Sub<T> {
    (n + n) * n - n
}
 
@sehe No, he doesn't.
 
user1804599
amazing @AndyProwl
 
@sehe He clarifies it in the next message.
 
Oh ok. I was still catching up
 
1:21 PM
@Jaden is that different?
@Ell lol
 
@Xeo OH. You meant real, actual lanuages.
Derp.
 
@sehe I just said that they generate noise during big concerts anyway. You can't fully cut it out (and that'd actually make the recording (as oppose to "quality") worse, due to losing an IMHO quite important part of live recordings).
 
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@Xeo no Dutch :(
 
Do you know that Portuguese is the only language for which Google Translate supports two variants?
 
not chinese?
 
1:22 PM
@Mr.kbok Yes, you offer help and she has at least 2 choices. Take on more work and give it to you, or just give some of her work to you.
 
how interesting.
 
@Mr.kbok "Chinese" is not a language.
 
really?
 
Brazillian and European, I assume?
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think he means Chinese (Simplified) & Chinese (Traditional)
 
1:23 PM
well, the one spoken in Portugal, I'm not sure what it's called
 
Ell
maybe one is cantonese and one mandarin, idk vOv
 
@Mr.kbok The various Chinese languages are often mutually unintelligible.
@Ell Those are writing systems.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes okay.
 
@jaggedSpire Yes.
 
@Ell Nope, it's just a matter of simpler symbols.
 
1:24 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Variant meaning what?
 
But you can't get the European one unless you're using a Portuguese IP.
 
@Jaden Well, I just wanted to be helpful (also I finished far cry 4)
 
@LucDanton Dialect, I guess.
 
...but why wouldn't it be an option in other parts of the world? That's really odd.
 
1:25 PM
would it make sense to have a type (say default) that would convert to anything, and gives the zero-initialized value?
 
@Griwes It's not about having noise or distraction. It's about losing the music signal. Lossy encoding does that (introducing jarring artefacts)
 
Everywhere else you get Brazilian.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That is surprising.
 
so the JS code coverage tool code coverage banner on github is broken
 
Xeo
1:26 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Guess it is for us :D
 
For example 马 (simplified) vs. 馬 (traditional).
 
like struct default { template<typename T> operator T() const { return T(); } }; and then std::string bleh = default();
 
Xeo
(for now we only have just zh, anyways)
Prolly mandarin
 
@Xeo Zhongwen I suppose.
 
@sehe ...which you aren't likely to notice when the noise is loud enough.
 
1:26 PM
@Xeo Beijing Mandarin.
 
Noooo, I have to name things again ç_____ç
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes right
whatever is the official language for the largest part
 
@Griwes this is where you go wrong. That's patently untrue.
 
Xeo
will probably be it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Next closest thing I’m noticing is e.g. Galician.
 
1:27 PM
@milleniumbug cool, thanks
 
@LucDanton That's somewhat disputed as a separate language, but it's much more distinct than Brazilian.
It's markedly distinct from both Portuguese (primarily in writing) and markedly distinct from Spanish (primarily in speech)
 
Yeah, hence next closest.
 
@Morwenn Use a name from your favorite mythology!
Anyhow, work time. See you all in nine hours.
 
Though Brazilian is also markedly distinct in speech and on top of that, grammar too.
 
@jaggedSpire I mean, I have a small_array_sorter to sort small arrays efficiently. Now I need names for sorters that would sort small arrays with either a minimal number of comparisons or a minimal number of moves.
 
1:30 PM
The grammar differences are the reason GT treats them different.
 
Catalan also makes for some impressive Iberian peninsula support. Lots of linguists slash programmers or something?
 
@Mr.kbok I manage to play Fallout Shelter on my phone a few minutes every day. Even though the UI is total junk.
 
(though sneakily)
 
minimal_comparison_sorter and minimal_swap_sorter are rather verbose not that good at explaining what they do.
 
@LucDanton Cultural/national pride, I'd guess. There's a strong movement for highlighting Catalan language and culture. Along with independence movements.
.cat (Catalan pronunciation: [ˈpunt ˈkat]) is a sponsored top-level domain intended to be used to highlight the Catalan language and culture. Its policy has been developed by ICANN and Fundació puntCAT. It was approved in September 2005. == History == Before .cat was available, and given the reluctance of certain Catalan institutions, companies, and people, to use .es, .ad, .fr, .it domains (depending on the state respectively) for their domains, alternatives emerged. An example of this was the website for the city of Girona in Catalonia, which preferred to use a .gi domain ("http://www.ajuntament...
For instance.
 
1:33 PM
@Morwenn optimized_on_comparisons_sorter - still verbose, but at least explains what it does
 
@Morwenn s/minimal/low/?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, you’re right. The other places with lots of dialects have more political/social baggage. But e.g. no Schwyzerdütsch.
 
Or is it truly minimal?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're right. Plus it makes it terser :)
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess I can't reduce the « comparison weight » of my algorithm to sort three values but that's probably not true for the other ones.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You actually made me try 'je me touche les gosses' from a NA proxy lol.
no luck
 
1:37 PM
Yeah.
 
why are nullable types mentioned all the time as a C# version of optionals
like they only work for value types
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess I'll go with those then. Thanks ^^
 
@AlexM. eh, optionals without monadic interface are only half-useful really
Rust's Option actually provides it and it's the only language I know that does that
besides Haskell of course
 
@johnregehr @davecheney you fail code review, that's what happens.
Found a Cat alt
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sadly long.cat is parked and not used.
 
1:39 PM
Swift has something but that's specialized to Optionals and Optionals only
 
@LucDanton I honestly don't know of another language with two dialects that are as markedly different as European and American Portuguese. (Might be just a familiarity bias, but still). People usually bring up English and Spanish. English grammar pretty much doesn't vary at all across the Atlantic; I'm not very familiar with American Spanish dialects, but from what I've gathered they also don't vary much besides phonetics and some vocabulary.
 
Oh. Also someone (I'm not sure) suggested using > and >= for Haskell's >> and >>= in C++ during CppCon. Thoughts? @Bartek
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz scala does too
 
@Griwes Why not >> and >>=?
both are in C++
 
@BartekBanachewicz >>= has wrong associativity
 
1:41 PM
oh right
 
>> has weird precedence
 
well then it would work I guess
or just mirror rust and do .and_then() or .bind() or w/e
 
Mar 11 at 1:33, by Luc Danton
Well, possible but stupid. You’d have to statically reassociate everything.
 
@Ell Scala is literally Hitler Haskell
 
Still 'possible but stupid' even if it associates right.
that’s not quite the quote I had in mind—oh well
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can’t really comment without knowing why they’re still dialects and why they haven’t gone the way of, say, Afrikaans and Dutch. Certainly interesting though, given the timeframe.
 
1:45 PM
see point 2 specifically for lulz
 
@LucDanton Dunno. I guess two reasons: 1) mutually intelligibility is still high (probably skewed due to cultural interchange) and 2) orthography was practically the same and now exactly the same.
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh, nice
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes despite the grammar differences? curiouser and curiouser
 
Portugese sounds like an interesting language to learn.
 
@LucDanton I haven't thought through all the grammar differences, but they are markedly different in word order, especially when object pronouns are involved.
 
1:50 PM
> For example, Dutch speakers tend to find it easier to understand Afrikaans than vice versa as a result of Afrikaans's simplified grammar, although the large number of false cognates between these languages can cause misunderstanding.
(on mutual intelligibility)
 
Yeah, but we don't have false cognates with Brazilian.
 
@LucDanton can confirm
 
It's a weird "different but the same" mix.
There are very clear differences, but so much of it is exactly the same.
 
iow africa dutchmen stupider
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes wow
 
1:52 PM
Afrikaans is like Dutch with English grammar.
 
> Dictionary<String ^, array<String ^> ^> ^Keystores;
^> ^> ^K
penguins
 
that's C++ .NET rite
 
yeah
 
@Mr.kbok lol yea they kinda look like pengus
 
:D
 
1:55 PM
show0 (f ♦ (a : t)) = "(" ++ show0 f ++ " " ++ show t a ++ ")"
 
penguins++
 
Dutch is like English with Afrikaans grammar.
 
> straightforward to write:
 
@LucDanton Bra/Eur Portuguese intelligibility is also slightly asymmetric, but only when spoken. When written it's probably in the 95th percentile both ways. I.e. one can tell which variant it is, but it's always understandable modulo some vocabulary (like lift/elevator, lorry/truck in Br/Am English).
 
> ^> ^> ^> ^> ^> ^> ^<
^> ^> ^< ^>
penguin cohort
 
1:56 PM
I can't unsee penguins lol
 
where the fuck has a lambda-implementation video vanished from CPPCON youtube?
 
user1804599
(type bool (typeof #t))
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz what does diamond mean?
 
@Ell fuck if I know
this paper is a tad above my level
i.e. I know some of those words
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Would a show made in the one language and aired to the other audience typically have subtitles? They usually do when it comes to Quebec French shows aired in France.
 
1:58 PM
@LucDanton Never, and it's a common occurrence.
I've seen shows with both variants mixed.
 
also this component system talk from cppcon is rubbish :-\
 
> 7 Scrap your boilerplate for “Scrap your boilerplate”
 

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