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10:00 AM
@Columbo rightfold's vagina is still not a fact.
 
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It may or may not be in the future. I don't know yet.
 
Oh you know this brings up a genuine question.
 
@Griwes dat
 
@buttifulbuttefly ...until you start writing code that does something recursively across modules.
 
Does concepts allow me to do things like void test(const Container&);
 
10:00 AM
@rightfold You're so cute if you deny facts :* <3
 
Like a parser or an AST analyzer.
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum just wait till I add pattern matching to my pure lazy language.
 
@Rapptz yes
 
Different TUs?
 
@rightfold Idris is pretty ok.
 
10:00 AM
Really?
 
@Rapptz no
 
I can't believe C++ doesn't have modules yet :/
 
Dropped.
 
They are planned for C++39
 
You can write that, but it's syntactic sugar for a constrained template
 
10:01 AM
Damn that would have been such a good feature.
 
just terse notation
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum Does it have an ecosystem larger than Mercury's?
 
@buttifulbuttefly It'll be introduced via a TR IIRC
 
Still lame syntax sugar for SFINAE.
 
terseribble notation
 
10:01 AM
@rightfold probably not.
 
@Rapptz virtual concepts! :P
 
I thought Concepts would end up being decent.
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum then it's not pretty ok.
 
Guess not.
 
@Columbo Last I heard of MS and clang were pretty confident they could have a nice common draft by the end of the year
 
10:02 AM
@AndyProwl Terrible - last time I saw that it had pointer semantics, which means it's crap.
 
@rightfold Neither is Haskell :D We're not talking about languages we'd actually use, just fun.
 
I'm actually disappointed.
 
@Griwes Last time you saw that you misread it entirely. I pointed that out. Nothing changed, apparently.
 
@buttifulbuttefly Then again, your ears are butts
 
Hard to misread this massive disappointment I feel right now.
 
10:02 AM
@Columbo But at least I can grammar
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum I am.
 
@rightfold sure buddy
 
@buttifulbuttefly Whooops lol
 
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Does Idris have a Turing-complete type system? Because if not then it's not truly usable.
 
Will we ever get good concepts?
 
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10:05 AM
Yes, if you get away from C++.
 
@AndyProwl Okay. Reading the topic though (...the pdf link is down) it is not really nonintrusive.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz What do you mean with that?
 
@Rapptz Not as long as we have Bjarne, Herb and Gabriel.
 
@Griwes Penises are also not really nonintrusive
 
@Xeo Would be cool if you could separate header + .cpp using concepts instead of concrete templates.
Admittedly not sure how it'd work
 
Xeo
10:06 AM
It's still a template, just restricted :/
 
Type erasure!
 
@Rapptz "virtual concepts" would allow that. Sutton is (super-slowly) working on that.
 
Yeah I know.
 
Xeo
that's where the virtual concepts come in
 
With proper syntax for boost.type_erasure thingies.
 
10:06 AM
yeah, basically, language support for type erasure
 
That's kinda meh.
 
(the doc is incomplete & imprecise etc. but I think the goal is clear)
value semantics is also meant to be supported
 
@AndyProwl Do we really need the virtual keyword? :F
...oh wait, the fuck-uppery called "terse notation".
 
@Griwes Probably not, it's just a draft
 
It’s syntax, you can vote for using static instead if you want.
 
10:10 AM
the goal was just to convey the idea not to formulate a concrete proposal
 
Xeo
Terse notation is the best part!
 
Terse notation is literally Hitler.
 
laterally hatler
 
Xeo
why?
 
terse notation is fine
 
10:12 AM
@AndyProwl Are you talking about terse range based for?
So pissed off that they voted it out
 
Xeo
no
 
@Columbo no, that's literally hustler
 
Xeo
Terse concept notation
 
@Xeo Ahh, k
 
10:13 AM
I honestly agree with voting terse range based for out (hides away in fear)
 
@Xeo Because now this "virtual concepts" (or should we call it "type erasure" like normal people?) thing's most obvious syntax is taken.
 
so basically your thing is boost.typeerasure?
 
@AndyProwl +1
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Except auto-generated.
 
@AndyProwl p. 34 - that thing at the bottom would be waaaaay too confusing.
 
Xeo
10:13 AM
It's like the relationship between a constrained Function template parameter and std::function<Sig>
 
the committee will want this to be a library solution lol
 
(Assuming we have the terse notation.)
@Rapptz the committee is morons
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Can't be done generically, really.
 
@Rapptz sort of, but with language support
 
Xeo
It's the only sane option to have the language do magic
@Griwes Oh no, an extra keyword.
Imagine a single tear running down my cheek.
 
10:15 AM
@Rapptz I don't think so. There's a section which shows the limits of the available library solutions. At least Sutton agrees
 
:F
 
Slutton
 
Button
 
Xeo
I thought that one was the more obvious transformation for butti
 
Soupstrup
 
10:16 AM
Structstroup
pretty much equivalent to classstroup
why am I not working
 
> Herp Slutter is a promiscuous C++ expert.
 
Strousbutt.
 
> Derp Mutter is a naive and insecure C++ expert
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl are you broken?
 
@Xeo maybe
 
10:18 AM
Prowlbably!
 
lowl
 
Hahandy
Sorry guys, that's all I've got
 
He said during his first bukkake
 
dude
 
Sorry, I had a rightfold moment there
 
10:22 AM
lol
 
@Rapptz one of the first programs I wrote for windows was hexagonal minesweeper...
Turbo Pascal 7.0 -.-
 
Ohhh neat, never though of that
ooops looks like someone offended the horde of web developers at HN
 
was a nice project, the game was way too easy though
 
@buttifulbuttefly popcorn_ready.gif
that top comment
so passive aggressive
 
fantastic
except for the Java part perhaps
 
10:41 AM
written in Haskell
did not expect
 
Look at the top comment and its replies
~sweet nectar~
 
I can't say I disagree with the reply
 
I just like to sip this rage like a Baileys on the rocks
 
but I don't suspect database lock-in is that big of a deal
I mean what are you going to do?
migrate your tables to use something else?
sounds like a total pain in the ass
 
Right, @Cat?
 
10:45 AM
iunno if it actually is
I imagine it is
 
> Avoid state at all costs.
 
> Is PostgREST trying to replace ORM by wrapping Postgres in REST?
I better stop
 
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> When to use MongoDB
 
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never
 
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10:52 AM
Also close as opinion-based.
 
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Community wiki is literally Stalin.
 
@buttifulbuttefly lol
 
That's an interesting project though
I mean Postgrest
 
Postmemes mods are asleep
 
post dank memes
 
10:57 AM
..
> India arrest 16 for beheading woman for 'witchcraft'
oh wtf india
 
#legalizewitchcraft
 
they didn't even do it for the ebola outbreak
 
e-bola is the internet version of the virus bola
 
@buttifulbuttefly I wish I could beat you right now
 
10:59 AM
At what, shitty puns? Or physically
 
:>
with a gpu perhaps
lemme find a huge one, a tesla should work
 
One of which I still do not know how indirect jumps are implemented pls
 
they are, go ahead
 
Great, smash me with all this proprietary black-box magic stuff!
 
there are smarter children who can catch a bird and feed themselves, other children can't and you can only buy them an iphone and wait for their death
 
11:02 AM
Incorrect, that's the latest iDeadBird
3
 
they're both playing flappy bird
 
fappy bird
 
Let us all play together my favorite variant of that game, called flappy dick
 
Why is that child dressed like steve jobs lol?
Do people actually think those sweaters look even "normal" in the us?
 
11:09 AM
The one on the right is actually Avatar Aang trying to birdbend.
 
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no, it's a cross over fanfic between avatar and paul the alien. Where he tries to resurrect the bird to eat it.
 
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Addictive games inception
 
11:14 AM
@rightfold lol at the dead bird on the ground. :D
 
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XD
 
@rightfold lol
 
It would be fun if the game server recorded and remembered all of the deaths of all players in the game and has shown them to the other players...
 
we're so much of a team.. we should code something together. Bartek will do the Haskell part, rightfold will do the Go part while nobody will do the C++ part.
 
You know actually I would
@MarcoA. I have this great idea of a video game in space...
 
11:25 AM
dead space?
 
Kyrostat
 
@MarcoA. And I'll GPU accelerate it!
 
cool
 
You know Bartek will quit if the game is not written 100% in Haskell (including configuration files)
 
then perhaps we should write an OS
 
11:27 AM
Don't worry he's a JS guy now
 
Graphics should probably also be procedurally generated from Haskell because PURITY
@Mr.kbok Seriously
 
@Mr.kbok How does one make THAT turn.. Out of all possible things to do you go from haskell to JS.
 
@paul23 In one word: rent
 
in one work?
 
How do you think I ended up managing architecture meetings
Shit I ruined my joke
 
11:29 AM
And mine, thanks
 
I always wonder what happens if I star removed sentences?
 
You're damn right I don't, and Vanessa here either. Now get off you pervert scum
 
Vanessa Paradis, ni carotte visiblement
ATTENTION HUMOUR DE QUALITÉ /cc @Luc
3
 
That's terrible
 
11:33 AM
Orgasms are not a condition for having children
Your webcomic is dismissed as not being scientifically accurate
2
 
how is babby formed then?
 
@buttifulbuttefly vas-y joe
 
@buttifulbuttefly kbob reproduces via budding
 
You're just mad because you read inaccurate webcomics and I pointed that out
 
Time to go home, my dear blastocytes. See you tomorrow for more idiocies!
 
12:00 PM
@Mr.kbok Yes they are
 
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I need a trebuchet.
 
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Made of steel.
 
everyone needs one
 
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So powerful that I can fire 5000 kton artefacts with it.
 
@Jefffrey no, they aren't
 
12:11 PM
@buttifulbuttefly pls no
 
men can leak swimmers without orgasm, that guy needn't be the father, women don't really get orgasms anyway.
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I get orgasms often.
 
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And they're pretty real.
 
You have a penis
Hence, in this context, you are not a "woman".
 
What do you mean they don't get orgasms
Speak for yourself
 
12:15 PM
Holy crap Jon Skeet just asked a question. — Yuval Itzchakov 1 min ago
 
I see Jon Skeet on meta a lot nowadays ... maybe he's becoming a troll in training ...
 
> C# God himself
¬_¬ I doubt that
 
Someone from the VS team has to answer I'm afraid
 
now... how can we close that question...
 
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@Jefffrey :'(
 
12:20 PM
@thecoshman ofc you do, pirates are godless beings :P
 
@Jefffrey don't be sexist! Just because he has a penis, doesn't mean he's a he!
 
@thecoshman yeah, yeah, now explain what you meant by "women don't really get orgasms" :P
 
@rightfold Don't listen to patriarchist cis scum
 
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:D
 
Hi all. I'm just wondering about something. Let's say you wanna parse a code file (whatever language it is, even one that doesn't already have support), would you basically just put all your parsing code inside 1 big for() loop and iterate over each char in the file/string? Is that how parsers work? Do they just basically consist of one big for loop that reads the file or string to the very end until there's no chars left to parse?
 
12:22 PM
@Aston nope
 
@Aston There's a gazillion publications on parsing.
Go read one or twenty.
 
Guys.
Sourceforge is down.
 
@Griwes ¬_¬ it's a joke
 
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@rubenvb Nice.
 
Half of the open source world is broke.
 
12:22 PM
@rubenvb Been for a while now
 
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SourceForge is a cancer.
 
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I hope it will stay down forever.
 
@rubenvb good.
 
@rubenvb That will teach them a lesson
 
let it die
 
12:23 PM
Anyways... Has anyone found a viable alternative for a project with a huge amount of binaries?
 
a painful death
 
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@Aston No, that's awful.
 
(The lesson is "sourceforge sucks" btw)
 
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It's possible but results in incomprehensible code.
 
As in, 50GB of binary files that need hosting?
 
12:23 PM
@rubenvb You can upload files on github under releases, right?
 
@rubenvb github vOv
 
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Look up monadic parser combinators if you want an easy to understand way to write maintainable parsers.
 
@Mr.kbok and Griwes, I know there are resources, but I'm having trouble finding ones that i think are relevant. Maybe i'm just searching for the wrong terms?
 
@thecoshman would they allow that? It's a huge amount of bandwidth...
 
@Aston ...Google "books about parsing"
 
user1804599
12:24 PM
@rubenvb Linode.
 
really
 
@Aston Start with wikipedia.
 
thanks guyz
 
@rightfold that's kinda expensive compared to "free" though.
And heck, I think dropbox or something would be cheaper then.
 
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@Jefffrey PostgREST looks really cool.
 
user1804599
12:26 PM
Except maintaining views and stored procedures is a nightmare.
 
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It doesn't work well with version control.
 
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I suppose you could replace all views and stored procedures on each deploy.
 
@rubenvb Github has this "releases" thing.
You can upload files there.
Not sure about any limits for that though.
 
@Griwes That seems very geared toward simple new release, upload binary thing. The project I have in mind is MSYS2's binary packages, i.e. it's more comparable to a Linux distro's packages.
 
@rubenvb A package. That's usually a single file.
You can upload it there.
 
12:30 PM
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Yay. My very first dive into Spirit X3
 
@Griwes No, you don't get it, I'm talking about a package repository. As in, hundreds of single files, which are often updated, and download more often.
@sehe is it any easier than well, v2?
 
I must say I have had remarkable restraint there.
Or it's sad that I don't learn the new thing until I am "asked" to
 
@rubenvb mkay
 
In principle yes: it's **lots** simpler.
For me: not necessarily. I used it without looking at docs and tripped over a few items that had moved my cheese
 
I don't see why you'd update those so "often" that github releases would not be a good tool for this.
 
12:32 PM
@rubenvb vOv not sure
 
But, look at the answer. The version without debug. It's simpler alright! The most important thing is: reduced pitfalls
 
@Griwes the bandwidth requirement might trigger some github limits... it's not a hosting site really.
 
> We don't limit the total size of your binary release files, nor the bandwidth used to deliver them. However, each individual file must be under 2GB in size.
 
@Griwes Aha, that is interesting!
I really do wonder where they get their funds though.
Although stuff like Qt and Microsoft probably sponsor github.
 
There's this "Github Enterprise" thingy.
(And, which I learned recently, you can actually self-host it!)
$2.5k/y for 10 users team.
 
12:38 PM
uhu, but there are better self-host git platforms no? Or at least almost equivalent?
 
define "better"
I still consider GitHub to be much nicer than, say, GitLab.
 
ok. Maybe I'm spoiled by: ah, there's a workaround, I'll use that. As in: I have never worked in a real professional environment.
 
ATM we are using GitLab CE at work, but somehow GitHub has a much nicer... feel.
 
I automatically distrust anyone or thing that openly claims to be better than their competition. I still give them the benefit of the doubt until I'm proven wrong, but I know inside that I'm usually right.
 
12:46 PM
@Aston That's literally everyone
It'd be stupid marketing strategy to claim your thing is not better
 
> Free hosting for private repos? Sign up to get unlimited repos and collaborators <- home page
> You can create up to 100000 projects <- after signing up
 
@Griwes That's the whole point of it
Hosted GH Enterprise is just GH :v
 
The best way to do marketing is to claim that you are unique & then convince everyone that they need you
 
@CatPlusPlus I never said it was a stupid move on their part (business-wise), but from past experience, I've learned to always take the 'wait and see' approach and just completely ignore the 'we're better than them' claims.
 
@Griwes oh, so pay for a licence?
@nabijaczleweli I fucking hate limited unlimited stuff
if there's a limit fine, just tell me up front how big it is.
4
 
12:50 PM
That's straight up lies, that's what I dislike.
Should just say "a shitton of repos" or sth like that
 
@rubenvb Convince someone to sponsor it
 
@thecoshman like my internet provider. "Unlimited" data bandwidth - except they cancelled the service after I used 12GB in 2 days (i installed visual studio and a windows 10 update).
 
Nothing's unlimited
 
@thecoshman Yes.
 
Except my hatred for programming
 
12:51 PM
@thecoshman starbait detected
 
@CatPlusPlus Then they are frauds.
 
@CatPlusPlus lol, well, yeah, but I'm not that involved in the project...
 
@CatPlusPlus 1) don't program 2) ??? 3) profit
 
There can be no hard limit but still provisions to terminate you if you use too much
 
@Aston lol how much does your internet suck exactly
 
12:52 PM
@Aston You probably had a microtext, saying that it is not, in fact, unlimited
 
@Griwes 3 would be "be broke and homeless"
 
@Aston 12GB is like 2 minutes of fiber
 
@CatPlusPlus you can always work at mcdonald's
or at kfc
 
@CatPlusPlus There are other money-making professions.
You should look up a guy names Littlefinger.
 
You can be a lawyer
 
12:53 PM
And I have 10 years to train myself in them yeah
 
He might have some work for you XD
 
@CatPlusPlus you don't need 10 years to learn to make a crappy mcdonald's "burger"
 
@nabijaczleweli They ALL have 'micro text' saying it's not unlimited. They justify this by saying: "UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH FOR JUST 49.99 PER MONTH TERMS AND CONDITIONS APPLY SEE FAIR USE POLICY" AND then you read the fucking fair use policy and it says something along the lines of "BLAH BLAH FUCKING BLAH WE DON'T WANT TO TELL THE TRUTH SO WE'RE HIDING IT HERE IN TINY FUCKING TEXT."
 
Besides everything is shit, I'd rather stick to semi-well-paid shit that I know
 
@Aston plus, there's not actually a well-defined limit in that tiny text?
 
12:54 PM
@CatPlusPlus AMEN lol
 
@CatPlusPlus keep your enemies closer :p
 
@rubenvb no well-defined limit.
 
@Aston move to a better country
 
I like to try new stuff ... do a bit of everything, and move on before you realise how sh!tty they really are.
 
@rubenvb I wish I could. But family and friends are here. I'd rather die unhappy than die alone.
 
12:55 PM
Instead of stuck in one sh!tty hole and be reminded what a crappy life that you have ...
 
damnit, i overcooked my eggs.
 
@Jefffrey nah, just fucking pisses me of... but I see what you are getting at ¬_¬
people love a good bad cock joke.
 
lol
 

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