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11:00 PM
And then they drop the axe.
 
Java is a fantastic, modern language. It's fully-featured, efficient, and scaleable. Java programmers are friendly, intelligen..... BWAHAHAHAHAH
Couldn't do it.
 
Java is a great platform. The language sucks, though.
 
No.
No no no.
 
user142019
@rvalue Same applies to Visual Basic.
 
@WTP VB, yes. VB.NET, almost.
 
11:01 PM
Let me share a brief, far-too-recent Java platform story.
One day, "Bob" the Java programmer wrote a task runner for Java thread pools. The tasks were short-lived but consumed a few megabytes of memory each.
When the task ended, those objects were never referred to again, and could be safely destroyed.
 
user142019
<anything here> BASIC is horribel.
 
But the Java VM knew better. It knew that destroying objects was expensive, even if it knew which objects and when they could no longer be referred to.
So the heap grew. And grew. And grew.
Eventually, the VM was exhausted. "This is as much of the system's memory as I can allocate!" It said.
So when the next task came around, it couldn't make room for its temporary storage.
"I could run the garbage collector now!" thought the procrastinating VM.
"But I won't."
 
user142019
GCs suck
 
java.lang.OutOfMemoryException to the rescue!
... and they all lived happily every after.
 
user142019
lol
 
11:06 PM
@WTP You still have much to learn, young Padawan.
 
user142019
I know.
 
user142019
That's why I'm here :p
 
C++ sucks. That's what you need to know.
 
user142019
What should I do then?
 
user142019
Wait! I know it! I'll learn Java.
 
11:08 PM
become a death metal singer
 
Somewhere, somebody decided that a garbage-collected VM system with a GB of unclaimed objects is better off throwing an exception than running a GC cycle. That's what's wrong with Java.
 
@WTP Keep using C++. But always keep in mind that it sucks.
 
@AlfPSteinbach You can learn Java and still be a death metal singer. I hear the suffering really helps your music career.
 
user142019
I have done worse than C++. Don't worry :p
 
@WTP Indeed. I'll stop using C++ when I find something better.
 
user142019
11:11 PM
There isn't anything better.
 
Well... there's scheme.
 
user142019
I do Haskell at school.
 
user142019
In a Windows environment with no access to the command line ><
 
I'm inventing something better
 
... or is that Haschool?
 
11:12 PM
slowly
 
@WTP u can nearly always get at it
 
user142019
We had to pick a programming language. I first wanted to do assembly but I figured out that the computers at school were 32 bits. Then I choose Haskell. I want to do C++ but I can't change language anymore xD
 
What is it with kids and assembly these days?
 
Haskell's not that bad
I wouldn't define it as "Teh Greatsors", but it's not that bad
 
user142019
But it's so strange.
 
11:15 PM
I'd say it's the least bad functional language.
 
strange != bad
 
Assembly will at least teach you respect for compilers and their authors.
 
fuck, I wish my flatmate was still gone, I want to sing
 
You sing?
 
not well
 
user142019
11:15 PM
We need to create a program in both a language of choice and as a PSD.
 
Only when nobody listens, apparently
 
Ah. Same problem as me then.
 
well, I don't just sing, I sing loudly
 
The best kind of singing!
 
user142019
The problem is that Haskell is functional and the PSD program we are forced to use is imperative.
 
11:16 PM
Tell me more about this language of yours...
 
@rvalue What, mine?
 
Indeed
 
well, it's like C++ but I cut all the shit
 
Most of my language ideas are refinements of C++
=D
 
and added some nice stuff that's way more generic and useful than C++
 
11:18 PM
@DeadMG Oh, so you removed C then?
Then it's just ++.
 
the problem is that I'm more than a tad of a perfectionist
and language implementations are very complex
especially in C++
 
yeah
 
@DeadMG, it's ++ :D
@EtiennedeMartel , yes! :D
 
I'm way faster than you.
 
First thing I'd work on is probably the preprocessor/#include systems
 
11:19 PM
I cut them
why the hell would I invent a new language just to keep the worst feature?
 
Ppl, lets all of us here found a IT company, make new operating system and get rich? :D
 
You know, my biggest gripe with C++ is its compilation model.
 
Amen.
 
@DzekTrek I want to make video games. Operating systems are not fun.
 
Well, that and the separation of the language from the tools that support it
If operating systems aren't fun, you're running the wrong operating system ;)
 
11:20 PM
We can have a section of our IT company which will be specialized in making video games ;)
 
@rvalue I mean making them.
 
... yes.
 
user142019
Pics on 4chan didn't load yesterday. :( all 404
 
=)
 
ARGH
VS crashed and I lost all my work!
 
11:21 PM
:D What do you think, guys?
 
You should have saved.
 
user142019
Use VIM
 
Lets make something out of our knowledge
 
You should have committed to your distributed VC
 
@DzekTrek Too many large egos in here (me included).
 
11:21 PM
I do have Mercurial
although in the last couple of weeks, I haven't committed anything worth keeping
 
Life isn't just trolling and killing time
 
user142019
4chan is
 
lets go and make something out here that will be worth of doing.
@EtiennedeMartel , for Gods sake, we all can downgrade our ego
it just takes a little understanding and will to do something you have always wanted to do
 
I think the first thing I'd change about the C++ compilation model is an adaptation of the Java class/file naming system
 
user142019
Lets make a D++ compiler. Like C++ with a GC and loads of crap added.
 
11:23 PM
@rvalue You mean the "one .class per class"?
 
:D
interesting proposal, @WTP
 
Implementing class Foo? Declare in Foo.hpp and define in Foo.cpp.
Yep.
 
I prefer .NET's model: group stuff in a module called an "assembly".
 
anonymous namespace in any CPP
 
We could make our own assembly like language
that will deal with new IoT
:D
 
user142019
11:24 PM
I prefer Ruby's model. Don't compile at all.
 
interaction worldwide using sattelites
 
Compilation is good, mmkay.
 
user142019
I know about D. It's C++ with crap removed. We can't let that happen!
 
JIT or interpret, you're still increasing load times unacceptably for an significant portion of a system.
 
11:25 PM
@WTP And significant crap added.
else I'd just use it instead of inventing my own
 
user142019
Any language sucks.
 
Yeah, D has its own failures.
 
lots of them
massive ones
 
but it's still a project we admire
come one
 
Sure.
 
11:27 PM
the guys spend years completing it
 
no
I have no admiration for D
"Hey, let's fix some of the mistakes of C++ and then make almost as big ones ourselves!"
 
come one
 
user142019
Me neither.
 
it's almost as big a disappointment as Java
at least I wasn't hoping for Java to be any good
 
Can we at least agree that a significant portion of the suck of C++ is due to the lack of top-notch tools, which is due to the language being too hard to support well?
 
user142019
11:28 PM
Ruby is awesome, except it has no static typing.
 
@DeadMG , at least they tried it.
 
@DeadMG I'd say bigger. Because at least Java ended up being used as the template for C# and .NET.
 
and they almost succeded
 
no, they're really, really, really far from success
like, way over on the other side of the room
 
What C# has over C++ is almost entirely the compilation model and standard library
 
11:29 PM
that's your point
 
What C++ has over C# is... everything else.
 
user142019
C# is a horrible name.
 
D is like C# but with better generics
 
@rvalue I still end up solving problems faster and with less lines of code in C# than in C++.
 
it's not really an evolution on C++ at all
 
user142019
11:29 PM
Google something about C, top results are all about C#.
 
user142019
The language designers did that on purpose.
 
@WTP Oh, of course, they did not choose "C#" because of "C++".
 
well, I'm not saying that C# is a bad language
I've seen a lot worse (Java, PHP, Lua, etc)
 
user142019
Haha PHP
 
it's just not what I personally am looking for in a language
 
@DeadMG I think it's great. It does it job very well. It's just not suited to every job.
 
user406009
Javascript is a messed up language as well.
 
user142019
The only real language is FALSE. It is simple and has lambdas.
 
user406009
Function scope? WTF
 
Hey, at least JS has first class functions.
That's something Java can't claim.
 
11:33 PM
JS has WTF scope.
 
emoticon the language (esolangs.org/wiki/Emoticon) hello world :-Q S:-P :-Q
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh, hello there!
 
'sup Cat.
 
user142019
Hey cat how r u doin
 
user406009
@EtiennedeMartel Java has first class "function" classes. It even has closure due to inner classes.
 
11:36 PM
@EthanSteinberg It's still waaaaay more verbose than C#'s delegates.
 
user142019
Objective-J is horrible.
 
@WTP I had to google that, and I'm horrified. Why would anyone base something on Objective-C?
 
@EthanSteinberg Java has balls.
 
user142019
Because it's about the simplest way to do OOP you can get?
 
user406009
You can do OOP in C.
 
11:38 PM
@WTP (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_typing) In essence, the problem is that, "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck", it could be a dragon doing a duck impersonation. You may not always want to let dragons into a pond, even if they can impersonate a duck.
 
user406009
Duck typing is sometimes very useful for bypassing large willow tree's of inheritance.
 
user142019
Doing OOP in C is like doing functional programming in machine code.
 
@WTP It also actively hides programming errors, like sending a message to a nil object
 
@WTP The comparison is extreme.
 
@WTP Doing OOP in Objective-C is like eating glass.
 
user142019
11:40 PM
@rvalue that's very useful, actually.
 
We can all hyperbolise.
 
user142019
That was not a hyperbole.
 
user142019
I want to create an ALU in Minecraft.
 
@EthanSteinberg That doesn't really solve the problem at all, it just hides it.
Duck typing prevents large willow trees of inheritance by creating an OMG WTF GIGANTIC HOLYSHIT everything is-a everything problem
 
@WTP Been done
 
user142019
11:42 PM
I know.
 
user142019
Someone even made a CPU and RAM.
 
user142019
It could execute a program, but it was like 0.001 Hz.
 
Kudos to them for second least efficient use of an already working computer
 
what's the least efficient?
oh wait, PROLOG
 
The least efficient is talking about what's the least efficient way in an online chatroom. Wait, that's recursive.
 
user142019
11:46 PM
It's almost 1 o'clock but sleeping is so boring.
 
still more efficient than PROLO
G
 
it's nearly 11 AM here, and already 28 degrees
 
user142019
-4 here
 
user142019
°C (important)
 
err 82°F
this gorram office isn't air conditioned
 
user142019
11:49 PM
Sucks
 
user142019
Why not code outside? :p
 
Nearly 19h here, -7˚C. Was about -20˚C yesterday.
 
Yeah, will probably spend most of the day on SO 'cus I can't think
@EtiennedeMartel Wish I were there.
 
@rvalue Oh no you don't. I hate winter.
 
@WTP Because I've seen an LCD in daylight before
 
user142019
11:51 PM
:p
 
@EtiennedeMartel Can always wear a jacket at my desk, there's only so naked you can be before it gets uncomfortable.
... socially.
 
user142019
Tomorrow I've got an exam.
 
user142019
Exams are boring as hell.
 
I've got a shitton this winter too
 
user142019
There wasn't even snow this winter.
 

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