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11:00 AM
It's because of this shit that we worked our asses off for centuries to have the power to fuck you up.
 
that's life, I bushwalked/hiked before in the mountains while it rained cats & dogs
 
I know it's nature; that's why I told it to go fuck itself.
 
also it's horrible when it's raining really hard & you have to pack up your tent
 
It's horribler when it's raining really hard and you have to cycle 40km
 
lol cycling 40km
I could probably manage 1km at a push
 
11:04 AM
Wuss.
I want to get to Litoměřice before sunset.
 
or you can just find a place to hide for a little while until the rain becomes lighter :p
 
do dogs ever try to kill you while you cycle
 
@Lightness I did 20km this morning.
Dogs don't bark at robots.
 
Lighter Rain in Ohře
 
I think my record was nearly 100km in one morning (started early though)
got a watch tan that day too
 
11:06 AM
I don't exert myself. I can do that at the gym.
But the path so far has been really crappy.
 
Should not be raining in Litomerice
 
I did it on the road - it's harder because it's up & down with the terrain
this is what I did - sydney to wollongong bike ride
 
Can't wait to get to Germany where the paths are nice.
 
don't Lounge and ride
 
11:10 AM
STAIRS!?
 
> Because I'm the guy
ffs
 
It's like the path was made by Handsome Jack.
 
maybe get off your bike for that bit
 
Fuck UPC
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit he deserves it
 
11:12 AM
@AlexM. not really
he's a fool but I wouldn't say anyone "deserves" to be treated like that
well okay maybe if he was also like a murderer in his spare time or something
 
different standards maybe
 
maybe
in my country, ditching anyone like that for no good reason is a total dick move
 
ah
the getting ditched part was shitty yes
 
what was the other part
 
I was on about how he was stupid and spent so much money on a gamble
 
11:14 AM
sure
 
I like my money
when I have money I can get anything
especially pizza and games
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
Polar bear getting with da times
 
lol yeah da bad times
 
IRTA IntelliTrance
 
11:20 AM
> And he clearly just wanted to fuck her, so
 
yeah obviously
that's why he cared so much about the dancing and why he's loved her for three years
and it's not as if sexual activity is a core part of human behaviour the world over
what a dick
 
> TIL that there is a surviving fantasy novel written in the 2nd century AD in Roman Syria that features explorers flying to the moon, a first encounter with aliens, interplanetary war between imperialistic celestial kingdoms, and the discovery of a continent across the ocean gutenberg.org/files/45858/45858-h/45858-h.htm
5
 
Do they post source verification?
I'd love to see a facsimile of the manuscript
 
@sehe not sure about that but there's this amazon.com/True-History-Decrypted-Frank-Redmond-ebook/dp/…
apparently the novel is satire wrt the exaggerated things people supposedly tried to pass on as true during those times
 
Nice. It's a badly redacted annotated version. Seems legit though. Awesomes
 
11:31 AM
I don't feel like working :(
At least the weather's getting worse
 
Xeo
Yesterday went by in a flash, somehow. Today's a bit slower
 
dafuq, a robot (not Robot) just called me asking for feedback about my latest phone call with a technician
 
Xeo
Only half past 1
 
since I ignored their last email they're now harassing me on the phone
how I wish there was another provider I could switch to these people are horrible
 
user1804599
> still Windows
 
11:40 AM
In fact, what you see is the symptom of the fact that I can avoid using it, most of the time
 
user1804599
Interesting.
 
user3010322
@sehe Just get Visual Studio 2015 RC. Just as free and with a lot less bugs.
 
Meh. Assumptions, moddafukka
 
user1804599
 
Does it use the same solution/project files?
@rightfold too geeky
 
user3010322
11:44 AM
@sehe Nah, I think they're a "newer" kind, but in all honesty they're nearly identical.
 
In all honesty "nearly" is not enough
 
user1804599
it's from /g/ daily programming thread
 
user3010322
Awwrr. Well, alrighty.
 
so fucking hot
I need an air conditioner
 
user1804599
which somehow manages to be even worse than , and /r/programming combined.
 
11:45 AM
K, time to head off again. Later.
 
user3010322
Have fun!
 
> Web page blocked. Category: questionable
what is it?
 
/g/ is stupid
 
user1804599
:P
 
Can someone double check my update here (difference between =0 and =delete for pure virtual methods)
 
11:47 AM
> Best is only C, Assembler, maybe perl.
 
user1804599
decalre
 
g
 
user1804599
> // This might not even compile!
 
user1804599
too cryptic; explain
 
@rightfold vOv I don't know if that would even be valid
more specifically, does it make b() a pure virtual function? afaik, no, it makes it a none function. and something that inherits from 'Base' will not have b()
 
user1804599
11:49 AM
then why do you include the code?
 
Hi
 
@rightfold o_0 because I am covering how '=delete' looks like it is the same as '=0', but isn't.
at least, trying to
 
user1804599
> I started off as a professional ballet dancer, studied Physics in college, and ended up as a Software Developer.
 
user1804599
R.I.P.
 
@thecoshman It does not make it pure virtual. It makes it so that if the compiler ends up choosing it when resolving a function call, an error occurs
As long as you don't call the function, nothing happens
In particular the class is still concrete
 
11:51 AM
@AndyProwl it's not, as it still has a pure virtual method.
 
Well, yeah
 
but I know what you mean
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl depends.
 
What I meant is, the presence of a deleted member function does not by itself make the class abstract
 
user1804599
It's not concrete if it still declares or inherits pure virtual member functions.
 
11:52 AM
struct A{ void B() = delete; }; is not abstract
 
user1804599
You are correct.
 
@thecoshman Yeah, that's what I meant
 
user3790646
what '= delete;' does in this code?
 
Honestly I'd roll back that edit, it's confusing
 
@AndyProwl You think so? Maybe I'll just remove the example, and have it as a small note.
 
11:55 AM
@thecoshman I think = delete, while related, is not pertinent to the question
 
user3010322
I did it!!!
 
user3010322
I got libiconv to compile on VC++!
 
user3010322
Now I just need to get libxml2 to compile on VC++, and then I'll have all the fontconfig dependencies down!
 
user3010322
Also people who mix size_t and int clearly never built their applications in a 64-bit environment. <_>
 
@AndyProwl Well, when, you first start thinking of pure virtual, and know of =delete, it's not clear that it's not just a 'modern version', it is different.
 
11:56 AM
Now you just have to see whether it still works tomorrow, FTFY
 
edited it there now
 
@ThePhD clearly you have made the compiler assumption :) It's bad to mix anyways
 
If you managed to compile PhysX under MinGW, that would be impressive
 
user3010322
@sehe g++ and clang++ have int as 64-bit when writing under a 64-bit OS?
 
@ThePhD ... Or ever understood programming
 
user3010322
11:57 AM
@Columbo That's a bold claim: lots of libraries mix the two, and many don't care for the signed / unsigned warnings that come with it.
 
@thecoshman Right, that's why I acknowledge that the things are related. Anyway it looks better after the last edit. Perhaps the edit would fit best as a footnote
 
guys
 
user3010322
I have to be extremely careful, though.
 
@AndyProwl it more or less already is :P
 
I need feedback
 
user3010322
11:58 AM
libiconv is LGPL software.
 
user3010322
If I statically link it I'm screwed.
 
user3790646
@Mr.kbok tell us about it
 
"You're an asshole",
Glad to help :)
 
It's not like anyone has bigger arrays than 2**31-1 elements
 
^ It's for my team
It's like for getting started with boost
 
11:59 AM
@AlexM. Is this your buttrig
Because I've seen better
 
@CatPlusPlus no it's someone else's
 
@Mr.kbok good start, put the laTex source up on github
 
@thecoshman Personally I'd make it visually explicit - use a separator or something. Otherwise it just reads as part of the answer.
 
@Mgetz It's an MS Word doc
 
@Mr.kbok fail
 
12:00 PM
RIP
 
lol latex
 
@AndyProwl Not sure the best way really...
 
@Mr.kbok I'd personally never advocate Boost Assign. I have seem some pretty sweet use cases (implicit conversions FTW!) but it's a splendid display of what gets C++ critic: language feature abuse
 
@CatPlusPlus what are the alternatives?
 
Also, what business are you in that you want to teach them demangling?!
 
12:01 PM
Plain text
 
@thecoshman Something like "Note: With the introduction of C++11 there is a new use for the delete keyword. [...]
 
@Mr.kbok hmm
 
I don't like Boost.Assign
 
^
 
you gave me an idea
 
12:01 PM
@CatPlusPlus plain text isn't alternative to latex
 
@sehe It's abuse indeed, but it's still useful, isn't it? The array initialization in C++ is only useful for c-strings and numbers
 
HTML, Word, Murkdown, everyfuckingthing is an alternative to LaTeX because fuck that obscure pile of shit
 
@sehe Oh, they do a lot of logging of the kind "I'm in this function etc"
 
anyways
 
@Mr.kbok I'm missing multi-index, flat_map, hash_range, hash_value, uuid, (optionally serialization), iostreams (array_sink!!)
@Mr.kbok __FUNCTION__
 
12:03 PM
Dunno if you can cheatsheet serialization
 
@AndyProwl ?
 
You really have to know this crap more than just looking at examples
 
@Mr.kbok I think it works fine for any type with a conversion ctor
@CatPlusPlus (true) (parenthesized for a reason)
 
@thecoshman That's how I would write it
 
but hipsters!
@AndyProwl I mean, I've edited, more thoughts?
 
12:04 PM
Also, Boost.Lambda? If you can't C++11, why not Boost.Phoenix or Boost.LocalFunction instead
 
@thecoshman Oh, sorry, didn't notice. Yeah, looks OK to me now
 
@milleniumbug +1 /cc @Mr.kbok
 
@AndyProwl nice nice
lunch time :D
 
I just realized that tab-completion of plinks is nice. Opera didn't have it working in SE chat (though it works on the main site)
 
TIL Boost.LocalFunction
does it create a functor under the hood?
no templatisms I guess
 
TIL albino plants exist
An 'albino' redwood is a redwood tree which is unable to produce chlorophyll, and so has white needles instead of the normal green. In order to survive it must join its roots to the roots of a normal redwood, usually the parent tree from whose base it has sprouted, from which it obtains nutrition as a parasite. Only about sixty examples are known. These can be found in both Henry Cowell Redwoods State Park and Humboldt Redwoods State Park, with eight trees in the first. However, the exact locations are not publicized to protect the rare trees. They reach a maximum height of about 20 m (66 ft)....
 
@AndyProwl yeah that's still annoying in c++11
Your and albino plant sexist?
Seems safely clausulated into a margin then
 
> Knowledge of strong Object-oriented programming
I like weak object oriented programming
strong objects are not good
 
@sehe Yeah but this is "polymorphic class template name"
@milleniumbug Yes, it's C++03. I'll check out the two others
 
I want pizza with mushrooms
the mushrooms bit is required because I want mushrooms today for a reason I cannot identify
 
12:11 PM
so whatever you want has to be with pizza?
 
Champignon de Paris!
 
Mushrooms, always better in Amsterdam.
2
 
user3790646
@thecoshman it's looking very good
 
u wat
I get it, you have a use. But seems like a design smell to me. I'd expect such things to be hidden in a macro/helper
 
you know what else is great, mushroom stew
mmmm
 
12:14 PM
stop it
I am at work
 
@AlexM. STAHP
 
I want mushrooms so bad
why I don't understand
 
In particle physics, the strong interaction is the mechanism responsible for the strong nuclear force (also called the strong force, nuclear strong force or colour force), one of the four fundamental interactions of nature, the others being electromagnetism, the weak interaction and gravitation. Effective only at a distance of a femtometre, it is approximately 100 times stronger than electromagnetism, a million times stronger than the weak force interaction and 1038 times stronger than gravitation at that range. It ensures the stability of ordinary matter, as it confines the quark elementar...
 
@AlexM. omg drugs
 
@sehe lol no, I just assumed maybe that'd be useful. I'll replace it with something else.
 
12:14 PM
wow
 
@Mr.kbok I'd totally include it in a presentation "What's cool and easy to use in Boost?"
But not in a cheat sheet. Much like I wouldn't include reinterpret_cast or dynamic_cast in a cheatsheet. Really
 
user3010322
:(
 
user3010322
Precompiled windows binaries 2 versions old.
 
It probably doesn't matter
 
I never knew it was open source. I never tried to compile windows before
 
user3010322
12:17 PM
@CatPlusPlus It's 7 years old. :c
 
user3010322
@sehe Huff. You know what I mean!
 
No\
 
user3010322
:(
 
boost?
 
user3010322
No, libxml2
 
user3010322
12:18 PM
I didn;t want to use libexpat because that hasn't seen updates for... uh.
 
user3010322
Well, ever.
 
See. How would we have known?
 
user3010322
I think the last commit was 2007?
 
There's only so much you can do in an XML parser
 
XML in C++ is a torture
 
user3010322
12:19 PM
Well, fontconfig either uses libexpat or libxml2. I figured libxml2 might be better for it.
 
Ven
@rightfold ping
 
Also dunno where you're looking but official libxml2 binaries are current
 
user1804599
@Ven pong
 
Ven
@rightfold have you seen cobra?
 
user1804599
12:21 PM
@Ven No, only Python.
 
Ven
@rightfold then look at cobra
 
user1804599
> significant indentation
 
user1804599
> There are some other minor improvements: Cobra drops colons (:)
 
user1804599
that's not an improvement
 
user1804599
it's incredibly ugly
 
12:21 PM
lol
 
user3010322
@CatPlusPlus Oh. I didn't see that, since I was going to compile for 32-bit.
 
IMPROVEMENTS
 
Ven
:P
 
user3010322
... Why would the x86 be in the 64-bit folder?
 
Ven
what's even "lexical casting"?
 
12:23 PM
Casting via string. Basically
 
> These are experimental 64bit binaries. For completeness, 32bit binaries built using the same method are also included.
 
user1804599
converting "8" to 8
 
user1804599
for example
 
boost::lexical_cast?
 
user3010322
12:23 PM
Now that I have the latest binaries, I, hu.
 
Ven
what's "lexical" in lexical casting?
/me calls that "conversion"
 
@Ven I think it's that x-rated site. Very pretty
 
user3010322
I come back to the timeless question: how does one bundle binaries in a repo without making things horrible? :(
 
user1804599
Adjective: lexical (not comparable)
  1. (linguistics) concerning the vocabulary, words or morphemes of a language
  2. So, it seems clear that the idiosyncratic restrictions relating to the range of
  3. (linguistics) concerning lexicography or a lexicon or dictionary
  4. lexical m (feminine lexicale, masculine plural lexicaux, feminine plural lexicales)
 
Ven
@sehe pls
 
12:24 PM
@Ven "text representation"
@Ven ok, lemme find tha link
 
user1804599
it does stuff with text
 
Oh. It was Alexia's Casting Couch
@deW1 ty
 
user1804599
However, having a single interface for to/from text conversion is stupid.
 
user3010322
Hey @CatPlusPlus, do you think putting binaries in a separate repo and then submoduling them will prevent the per-commit bloat that happens with binary files?
 
Ven
12:25 PM
a += b, c is parsed as (a += b), c, right?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
user1804599
, has lower precedence than +=.
 
@ThePhD There's no "per-commit bloat", if you change them in a separate repo the changes will have exactly the same impact as if you changed them in main one
 
Ven
that means boost/assign's std::vector's operator += returns something with the overloaded comma operator?
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
user3010322
12:27 PM
@CatPlusPlus But it's still a bad idea, right?
 
Yes no maybe
 
user3010322
q_q
 
user3010322
> libxml.dll.a
 
user3010322
FML.
 
Ven
@rightfold ...and a conversion operator back to std::vector?
uhmmm.
 
12:28 PM
Import libraries are trivial to generate
 
user3010322
I don't know how to generate them except for compiling the whole thing. u.u
 
user3010322
Why couldn't everyone just use .lib on windows and leave .a to the *Nix world?
 
Ven
@rightfold the interesting part is wrt contracts and al
 
user1804599
body keyword
 
user1804599
12:30 PM
like D
 
user1804599
it's terrible
 
user1804599
should've been something you actually don't use as identifier, such as do.
 
It's also trivial to generate .def based on DLL's export table
 
> About std::tuple not now, boost::variant is well known to me but I don't like the idea because it is a bit slow i think.
 
> i think
iThink
 
user1804599
12:33 PM
ugh, bank has no public API.
 
@rightfold Keywords are terrible
Ban keywords
 
user1804599
@milleniumbug Indeed. Use Nok.
 
@Jefffrey wtf. where
 
@rightfold or <body>
 
@AlexM. So how's Witcher
 
12:35 PM
@rightfold Nok?
 
@CatPlusPlus nice so far but I only got to play 2 hrs
 
@sehe here
 
I'll play more when I get home
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
12:37 PM
I love contracts!
 
fucking hell
why the facebook smiley
 
@Jefffrey Spoken like a true game programmer
(maybe he listened to Jonathan Blow's talks)
 
user1804599
 
horrible
my mom spams me with those
 
user1804599
XD
 
12:40 PM
ew
 
user3010322
Anyone remember what uses something.h.in files in most linux repos?
 
user3010322
Is that autoconf ?
 
autotools, but I don't ever keep autoheader, auto(re)conf and automake apart
 
user3010322
I have to run autoconf then...
 
user3010322
:(
 
12:42 PM
inb4 --fix-missing or sumtin
 
user3010322
I wonder how to run autoconf on windows...
 
user3010322
MSys is the usual, right?
 
user3010322
Or cygwin?
 
~~~purrrrrrformance~~~
@ThePhD MSYS2
 
user3010322
I don't think I have MSYS
 
user3010322
12:44 PM
I've been using MinGW builds to get my MinGW, so have been ignoring MSys2 for a while now...
 
user3010322
Guess I'd better go get it.
 
MSYS2 has pacman package management system, so it's awesome.
 
Real funny Skype. "Your friends have been silent lately. Perhaps you want to do buy a burial insurance"
 
user3010322
Is that the newer version of Skype?
 
user3010322
Mine doesn't look anything like that, though I've been staunchly resisting upgrades.
 
12:46 PM
@sehe I can still see your username
cough
 
user1804599
@sehe fail
 
top bar
 
user1804599

 
I'm on linux usually, So I wouldn't know
@AlexM. oh well /cc @RadekSlupik
 
user3010322
Everyone add sehe!~
 
user1804599
12:47 PM
at least they know you're old
 
@sehe wat
 
As hell
 
I don't like the way skype lets you search its userbase arbitrarily
you can just search for "chris" and see a list of chris guys you can add
 
I didn't know your real name was Chris
 
it isn't it was an example
 
12:49 PM
Still nice you took the bait
 
user1804599
Jesus Christ
 
user3010322
The new Program Files annoys me.
 
ITT sehe is a master baiter
 
user3010322
I can't instal MSYS into it because of the ridiculous permissions.
 
I still don't get what the bait was :<
 
user1804599
 
@AndreyErick huh?
 
@AlexM. wow. your first name. Is it Chris, by any chance?
 
in Python, 31 secs ago, by Ffisegydd
What question, you haven't given any details at all. All you did was come in here and say "Here is my non-obvious problem!" then you said "Seriously guys help my problem that I haven't defined at all!"
seems like Pythoners get those too
 

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