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7:00 PM
seems like they need to license their licenses if copies are being made
 
@DeadMG Boost is marginally less restrictive than BSD. BSD says (or at least originally said) you have to retain their copyright notice. Boost just says you have to retain their "you can't sue us" disclaimer. Can't remember, but I think MIT is closer to Boost.
 
The original BSD license was messy.
I don't think anyone who says 'the BSD license' these days means the original one. Well, other than GNU.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Probably. I can't remember what the current BSD license says though...
 
More or less 'keep the above copyright notice, these rules, and the disclaimer below'
 
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Q: Have nothing to program

benbalachI finished my first book on programming in C++ about 2 months ago. But now I have nothing to program. Sure I work on some of my old "kiddy" projects, but the thing is I don't have any assignments or exercises to do. Meanwhile I upgraded my skills to C++ 11, and I'm also reading a second more adva...

lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay--that's more or less what I was thinking of. The basic difference being that BSD says you need to keep the copyright notice, and Boost (IIRC) doesn't.
 
grrr
typical
brother comes home -> internets unusable
 
@Jerry btw I didn't fail to notice the irony in that you don't remember the new one.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's not irony--just a fact of aging. :-|
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There's also "can't use contributor names to endorse/promote shit" clause (and a 2-clause version without that)
@R.MartinhoFernandes iirc you have to say "2/3 or later" from the start
 
7:18 PM
I'd lol if GPLv4 was "Richard Stallman owns all the rights to all the source code in this project".
 
If you contribute to GNU projects you have to assign copyright to the FSF
 
Most big projects do that
 
to avoid the exact problem discussed earlier?
 
7:21 PM
hmm
I need some offline games to play.
 
user1804599
Pong.
 
I'm pretty much done with Banished, XCOM/Dishonoured
I'd like to play GO but can't because fucking swamp internet
 
user1804599
Football.
 
Crawl
As in DCSS
 
user1804599
(mapc 'kill-buffer (buffer-list)) is cool.
 
7:23 PM
aw shit
I should force myself to run the tests before committing, even if I think that I've only changed some parts of the C API instead that could not possibly cause any tests to fail.
kinda embarrassing to break my own build
 
Use a commit hook
 
user1804599
Write a pre-commit hook.
 
user1804599
Or just run all tests on filesystem change anyway.
 
I don't know what that is.
 
user1804599
It is a script that gets run before every commit, duh.
 
7:26 PM
What's a decent number for a maximum amount of "recently used files"?
 
huh, wat?
apparently, I didn't break myself, I broke Clang.
 
@EtiennedeMartel 10
Or 5 even
 
Evening. Fyi mobile chat still sucks
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel 100.
 
user1804599
Too few is annoying, too many does not harm.
 
7:28 PM
@rightfold Yeah, figured I could always give filtering abilities in the UI.
 
user1804599
Make it configurable.
 
A menu with 100 items is really good idea
 
@EtiennedeMartel what are you working on, if I may ask?
 
@CatPlusPlus I like how you assume that data stored and data shown is 1:1.
@rightfold I'm planning on adding a "pin" feature, like in Word.
 
@EtiennedeMartel transparency :P
 
7:29 PM
You should consider what you define as recent
 
@Jefffrey Revamping the UI of a tool I'm working on. Primarily getting rid of the toolbars (which means redesigning how new/open/save/save as/settings is presented).
 
you know
this never occurred to me before, but I fucking love Windows 7's jump list.
 
Just give them a cli instead
everyone loves cli
 
@DeadMG Can you believe we still don't support that?
 
wat, srsly?
it's super sweet.
 
7:31 PM
I know.
 
user1804599
Just put new, open, save and save as in a menu.
 
I don't think I've ever used a jump list
 
It's on my todo list.
 
user1804599
People use control+S anyway. :v
 
Which is jump lists?
 
7:32 PM
The taskbar RMB menu
 
@thecoshman Pin a program to Start bar. When it's not open, right click and see recently opened files with this program.
 
I open every program that way now and I just noticed.
open all my VS projects, my Steam games, my KeePass database, every-fuckin-thing.
 
I launch things with FRR or Total Commander
 
I'm used to having sensibly organised files
 
user1804599
7:33 PM
I launch everything with Z shell. :3
 
@CatPlusPlus Old timers these days.
 
user1804599
Good old $ chromium&disown;exit.
 
Alt+` type name
Fuck clicking
 
typing the name requires hitting several keys, but right clicking brings them all up right away
 
user1804599
I should make a shortcut for chromium&disown;exit and emacs&disown;exit.
 
user1804599
7:34 PM
I use these once every day.
 
I really like Explorer since I got Clover.
 
user1804599
And I should figure out a way to have Emacs remember the window layout and automatically open ~/notes.org on start.
 
Right, what is that disown thing?
 
user1804599
@thecoshman Normally, if you kill the shell, it also kills the children.
 
user1804599
With disown it doesn’t kill them when exiting but it just makes init adopt them.
 
7:37 PM
oh, so it's like and on steroids
 
user1804599
So chromium&disown starts Chromium in the background and disowns it, then exits.
 
user1804599
Without disown it would kill Chromium when it exits.
 
user1804599
So chromium&;exit is quite pointless.
 
user1804599
It will even warn and require user action, I think.
 
I use Firefox now.
simply don't trust Google anymore.
 
7:38 PM
Running Chromium is quite pointless, yes
 
user1804599
It works perfectly fine for my purposes.
 
user1804599
I’m sorry I don’t do exactly the same things as you do.
4
 
I think it's time for the lounge browser
 
user1804599
Also Chromium has Hangouts plugin which happens to work great with i3.
 
I might be interested if browser dev wasn't complete shit
 
7:39 PM
Hangouts is shit
 
user1804599
Hangouts is technically shit. But everything else is shit because the people I want to talk to don’t use it.
 
Yes yes everything is shit
 
XMPP is p good
 
@rightfold Sorry, I don't quite get this part. You ... want to ... talk ... to people?
 
lol...
1. OP asks a question that gets closed.
2. OP goes to meta to complain about two things.
3. OP gets massively trolled and downvoted.
4. Meta user asks OP to split the question into two parts.
5. OP does that - splits the question and links them to each other.
6. OP now gets double the downvotes for the price of one.
3
 
user1804599
7:40 PM
@DeadMG Oh, right I don’t. Could just as well plonk you.
 
I'm not a person, I'm a puppy.
 
user1804599
Bullshit.
 
user1804599
Puppies can’t talk.
 
everybody loves puppies.
woof woof
 
@rightfold But can they type?
 
7:41 PM
Puppies are known for spewing shit everywhere
 
user1804599
Time to implement user authentication.
 
@Mysticial link?
 
On the plus side of splitting your question (and providing an easy link) is that you double the downvotes ... — rene 4 mins ago
 
user1804599
I friend has a cat and the cat pissed on his carpet, so he bought a new carpet for 50 euros and then his puppy pissed on it.
 
@Mysticial I actually couldn't find the other half.
 
7:43 PM
Stupid op with stupid carpet
 
user1804599
It’s in your ass.
 
@rightfold Entirely predictable :P
 
@DeadMG Looks like it's a uni-directional link.
He didn't link it back.
Just check the OP's profile.
 
yeah I just did that
and downvoted him twice I mght add.
 
the devotion to down vote is as expected
 
user1804599
7:44 PM
Let’s see what’s on TV.
 
crap
 
user1804599
Meh, PowNews is at 22:45. So much waiting.
 
Just torrent it
 
only primitives actually watch television on a television according to someone else's schedule.
it's like, the download master race vs the filthy scheduled broadcast savages
 
user1804599
@thecoshman Yeah, torrenting a live news broadcast that has yet to be recorded.
 
7:46 PM
Can't watch things before they're on
 
user1804599
I can watch it back tomorrow but that sucks even more.
 
get news from online website
 
To be fair, tv does excel when it comes to endless crap with deranged adverts giving you a regular change of pace
 
user1804599
There are no ads during programs on the first three channels.
 
user1804599
Only between different programs.
 
7:50 PM
WTF seems I ran out of tea mugs.
 
shoulda washed more frequently
 
You need more than one?
 
No, I mean, they're gone not dirty.
 
wat.
 
Someone must have... done something with them
I live with six other people, remember?
 
7:52 PM
no.
 
why do you live with 6 other people?
 
If you have only one of something, it means too frequent washing-up. That's why I have five pizza-cutters.
 
I find it unusual.
 
It's a big flat.
Ok, seems they gradually found their way to the other kitchen.
 
7:54 PM
 Anonymous 03/10/14(Mon)15:53 UTC-4 No.62360671
!

    plz halp

    int health = 20
    int maxHealth = 20
    double healthOffset = (health / maxHealth)

    any ideas why this would be returning just straight up "0" and not .95 like it should?
 
Two kitchens in a flat?
 
how is this problem still existing
 
I said it is a big flat.
 
@Rapptz '.95' LOL! To go with that, 'j = ++i + i++ + ++i + i++;' just turned up.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz it's pretty common in Germany
@Rapptz because C++ arithmetic is stupid :p
 
7:59 PM
There's enough space, and I liked the folks living here, and they liked me, and it's affordable so
 
@Rapptz Why wouldn't it still exist?
 
I mean why do people still have this problem
also this is amateur game development general
 
@Rapptz Because people keep entering the field and discovering it for themselves?
I don't see why people wouldn't have that problem.
 
@ScarletAmaranth Blimey!
 
I didn't have this but then I read a whole C book before I wrote a line of code.
 
8:01 PM
mainly because they're a game developer :v
 
Hmm, that was kinda silly in hindsight
 
well, they're obviously new to programming, so I don't see why being a game developer would be any different to anyone else.
 
I'm saying that they aren't new to programming
hence the whole discussion in the first place
 
ah well you didn't mention that.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know right?! :) I didn't see that coming
 
8:02 PM
true
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes I read a C and a C++ book
 
I read neither!
 
Xeo
and then I started with delphi
funny
 
lol
@Xeo It's C#!
 
8:03 PM
I read a BASIC and a C book and started with Pascal.
lol
 
Xeo
electrical engineering school, they seem to have liked delphi
 
Not counting whatever was on the calculator
 
Xeo
I remember writing my own mock interfacing library for the hardware at home just to finish my program and be able to test it
 
TI-BASIC was my first programming language
 
Please, just edit your question instead of posting duplicates. I just wasted time on one version not knowing that you superseded it. Twice. — sehe 9 secs ago
 
8:04 PM
my first program was solving a polynomial with the quadratic formula
 
I started with Pascal because TP7 was the only dev environment installed on the box I used at school.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I actually have a book - in Dutch - called "Van Basic Naar Pascal" (From Basic To Pascal)
 
ALGOL-60
 
Xeo
old farts don't count
 
8:05 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes We didn't get that. But I had a friend who's father was assistant at technical university. So I "happened" by TP 5.5 - TP 7.0
 
Gabe Newell also started with ALGOL
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yp.. may be i should drop the hobby of ph development and pick something else :), may be chess is better ! --MD phD. Pediatrics (Allergy& immunology), Harvard Medical — Zalaboza 18 secs ago
 
@Xeo FU!
 
@Xeo But they stink
 
lol
 
8:06 PM
Must be an old people's language!
 
@Rapptz U2
 
Xeo
Jerry probably started with sticks and stones on an endless beach
 
Martin is older than Jerry
 
I only had a 32-stick beach.
 
Xeo
:O
 
8:07 PM
He's the eldest here.
 
@Xeo When he had a break from dodgind dinosaurs
 
Xeo
my world just crumpled
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes o.o wtf really? I thought Ape was eldest
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Except me
 
020156
 
8:08 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit oh shut up :P
 
Xeo
kay, let's make it official
 
I know that the ape is not older than Martin. I've been to his latest birthday.
 
Xeo
@Jerry calling the dinosaur, what's the birth year?
 
Jerry's profile says he's 49
 
Xeo
8:09 PM
wait, SO profile says 49
 
Martin's says he's 58
 
...
 
Xeo
kay
 
@MartinJames My birthday is 5 days after yours. Assuming January 2nd.
and disregarding year obviously
 
Xeo
excuse me while I review my view of the world
 
8:10 PM
so Martin isn't just a dinosaur dodger, he's a coffin dodger.
 
@Xeo yes, I wasn't born hatched until 1964.
 
excuse me while I view your reviewing of your view of the world
 
@Rapptz UK, so yeah, 2nd Jan, 1956.
 
My mom is older than Jerry
 
god bless whichever politician came up with that phrase.
 
8:10 PM
Hah. My mom is older than Martin
 
@sehe that's what we are here for, right?
 
TBH, this thread is not exactly making me feel young:)
 
@MartinJames But the wisdom!
 
If we're going to go into parents...my dad was born in 1921.
 
TGLGJ#3: I make a game about dodging coffins and dinosaurs.
 
8:11 PM
@JerryCoffin Doesn't count! You're not young!
Though according to the young people here, I'm not young.
 
"What library can I use to do X?" type of questions are not welcome on SO, right?
 
right
 
And according to the old wise people here, I'm not wise old.
 
@DeadMG OH wonderful. I'll be sure to try that one. I'll put it on my bucket-list.
 
@wilx unfortunately
 
8:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I dunno, you're kinda-young.
 
Where else could I ask?
 
I'd say
that robot is a youngie but lightness isn't, even though IIRC they're the same age give or take.
 
Anyway, before I croak, I must go shower and get beer. Goodbye, cruel Loungers..
 
I am approximately 52
mm beer
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit sure
 
8:15 PM
@MartinJames night :)
 
I'm a bit over 14.
 
@Jefffrey yes
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's an amazing coincidence! I used to be 14
 
I too, am 14.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Martian years?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Actually, yes
 
8:17 PM
Oct 14 '13 at 21:37, by Jerry Coffin
I turn 18 every year -- just in a different number base.
 
@Jefffrey indeed. The rep, meh. The feelz, yeh!
I'm 78, these days.
I should really think about losing some weight.
 
user1804599
Dude …
 
user1804599
@wilx 4chan.
 
@wilx Ask a silly question pretending you're rolling your own.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nice :)
 
user1804599
8:21 PM
I have a good idea.
 
user1804599
You know those crawling pipes at public children’s playgrounds.
 
Oooh, I need to find time to implement the horriblest idea I had today.
 
user1804599
Especially those made out of wood.
 
user1804599
Explode a few glass bottles in it.
 
I think everyone interested has voted in the jam poll by now.
How many people should be in a team? Average 60.39
 
8:24 PM
think it's time to discard outliers.
 
user1804599
> Waarin Thomas een weekendje weggaat met Jelka, Peter en Rosa en hij door een kwal in zijn penis gebeten wordt. Lees meer
 
I was actually thinking of keeping the mode.
Or median.
They're both 3.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I just voted. Didn't see it until now :v
 
Oh fuck, now we have a tie.
 
Kinda lame you can't see the results
 
8:31 PM
yeah
 
Maybe there's a setting somewhere.
This is for the first question.
I don't understand why there's no bar chart in sight.
 
This 404 page is so sexy
 
uh
what?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes found
 
8:38 PM
Oh, that's what you guys meant?
You're supposed to get a link at the end.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes eh, I've cleared my cookies, so I can't see that :(
 
It's also available from the root, though: limesurvey.dev.loungecpp.net
I'll keep the link on the pin next time.
@Jefffrey But there's no bar chart for the first question, even though I clearly asked for one.
Only questions with a given set of choices have one.
 
who is that funny guy who voted 168 hours on "How long should the new jam run for?"?
 
that's 7 days
 
Why "funny"?
Seems to precise for me to be a joke.
A prankster would say 99 or 999 or something.
 
8:44 PM
7 days of game jam? don't you people work or go to school or something?
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Or max team size 999. :v
 
it's not 7 days straight
 
@rightfold I guess that was supposed to mean "unlimited"
 
It's not 168 straight hours
It's just 7 days to do stuff
 
just you're given 7 days to finish
 
user1804599
8:45 PM
lol 168 hours straight without pause.
 
user1804599
Pausing means disqualification.
 
not even to take a piss
you piss in a bottle under the table
 
It'd probably be closer to 7*3 or 7*4
 
You're allotted twenty pisses and ten shits.
 
And they're timed
 
8:46 PM
@Rapptz I didn't know game jams could have pauses in between
 
no pause
 
Sleeping only allowed if the head is resting on the keyboard.
 
it just means you have 7 days to finish it, i.e. you can work on it whenever you want as long as you finish it in 7 days
 
Events are hard
 
8:46 PM
FWIW, 168 hours is ~1 man-month.
 
And closer to 3 cat-months
 
hahah
 
160 manhours is enough for p fancy game
And also total overkill for a competition
 
yea I'd imagine you can accomplish something in that time
 
@TonyTheLion lol, I wouldn't be so sure
 
8:48 PM
I think 24hrs is nice for a coding competition
 
Yeah, but 7 days would result in more like 40-80 depending on commitment.
 
3 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
It'd probably be closer to 7*3 or 7*4
:v
 
yeah, 24 hours would be great
 
24hrs is doable
and a lot of you nerds spend that much time coding anyways
 
and for the next jam, 1 year! :v
 
8:49 PM
even 12 would be p decent
 
on the average weekend
 
How long should the new jam run for? Sum 474.0000000000
 
next game jam should be 4,464 hours
 
That will be jam #4.
In minutes.
 
1 minute?
do a minute game jam
 
8:50 PM
@TonyTheLion No, the sum of votes for this one.
 
write "hello world'
game over
 
I'm still waiting for Shit 2
3
 
> Sum 474.0000000000
 
I'm still waiting to find the energy to write code outside of my job
 
@TonyTheLion 0:00 click to open Eclipse. - 1:00 Eclipse opened.
 
8:50 PM
@TonyTheLion Well, Average is 24.95, so...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 24 hours jam, 57 minutes for finishing touches, deployment? :D
 
Mode is 24 too, though median is 12.
 
@Rapptz If we'll have 168 hours I might make it
 
Kinda crappy that the stats don't show the mode.
 
8:52 PM
haha
 
OR THE FUCKING CHART I REQUESTED
 
FFS
 
your request means nothing to limesurvey
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes PHP is still processing your request, it will get back to you shortly
 
room topic changed to Lounge<SameName>: We're never changing name again loungecpp.net [we-promise]
 
8:55 PM
> A god game where you heal creatures until you're bored
 
sounds like a great game :v
 
Actaully, this piece of shit doesn't even respect my "Integer only" request.
 
:v
 
"Minimum 3.0000000000"
Really?
Why the trailing zeroes if it's a fucking integer.
 
8:56 PM
by integer they mean numbers
!!
"Arithmetic only" isn't as appealing
 
So, we're looking for something better?
 
Ah, it doesn't let me input the decimal separator, so you cannot type in fractions.
@Rapptz Ah, no, that's something else.
 

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