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11:03 PM
Just got my first tumbleweed badge. :(
 
@ThePhD you too?
 
user3010322
Why not? :D
 
user3010322
It's not liek any of my other projects are important right now. :P
 
I should try too, I guess.
 
Just feels wierd.
 
11:09 PM
:P
 
Seems the more people join, the less I get done :\
Not really related though.
But hey, the weekend.
 
I hate Windows Explorer now :(
 
Windows 8?
 
No
 
What do you hate about it?
 
11:12 PM
It's slow when you leave it alone for a while.
 
I wasn't aware of that.
 
user3010322
@Pawnguy7 Get working on yours, RIGHT NOW! D:<
 
I like how I can do explorer <path> on the command line though
 
@ThePhD I guess I may as well. I keep telling myself I need to finish other things first, but the reality is, I am not finishing them either.
Seems I waste hours in an odd state of doing nothing :\
I am not sure why.
I really need to figure out though.
 
user3010322
Less chatting, more solving.
 
11:16 PM
Probably lack of motivation.
 
@ThePhD Chat definitely is distracting at times, but it does not account for most of it.
Though perhaps there is a slight task-switching cost.
I was considering trying out that plugin for such a purpose to test it.
 
>mkdir Snake
it's begun :v
 
@Rapptz motivation for what?
 
Xeo
lawl
 
@Pawnguy7 To work.
 
Xeo
11:19 PM
Now everyone is doing Snake?
 
There are a lot of times when I look at something I have to do and say "I'm not motivated to do this at all" or "I don't feel like doing this"
 
Xeo
@Rapptz I've been feeling that way for a while now wrt my work project
 
user3010322
Huh.
 
@Rapptz well yes, but I don't think anything about it has changed to make me like it more or less
 
Xeo
and that's bad
 
11:20 PM
Not to mention, I need to get it done either way.
 
user3010322
I've done a really good job with this. o.0
 
user3010322
 
user3010322
And that's all it takes to get started.
 
user3010322
.... I should put that in a link.
 
lol
 
11:21 PM
Speaking of which.
Why do people make a game class, then game.run()?
 
FurrovineGame?
Run()?
eww.
 
@Pawnguy7 It's manageable I guess.
 
What do you manage?
 
@Pawnguy7 IDK.
 
user3010322
@DeadMG What's eww about it? :c
 
11:22 PM
Never looked into them that well.
 
@Pawnguy7 So you can use the game outside the game.
 
@ThePhD Why Run() instead of operator()()?
 
wot
 
just for starters.
 
Are you okay puppy?
 
user3010322
11:23 PM
MyGame game{};
// Pre-run steps here, if you really want to.
game.Run(); // BEGIN!!!!
 
user3010322
I like the syntax.
 
user3010322
I mean, most pre-run steps I'd put in MyGame's constructor, anyways.
 
game(); is nicer.
 
@Rapptz Not for the last like, three years.
 
user3010322
@DeadMG I don't know. I can make an operator() that goes to Run(), fi you'd like?
 
11:23 PM
and secondly
how is Game g; g(); different to just putting putting the constructor and operator code directly in main()?
 
it's neater
 
user3010322
There is no different. It's just a style. that a person has.
 
separation of concerns too
 
eh
I'd only use that style if I actually needed to re-use the game initialization and main loop code.
 
user3010322
I think in my case, I do.
 
user3010322
11:26 PM
I have a ServiceProvider on the game class. If you add your window and window driver and graphcis device to that service provider under an IService<T>, the engine will get it out for you and automagically run the initialization steps for you.
 
oh god no.
 
Do you know anybody
that seems to take every question as an insult?
 
I'm glad that you've moved away from "Union all the things"
but "IService<T>" and "ServiceProvider" is just a small step up.
 
@DeadMG did I tell you about the isometric thing?
 
user3010322
The ServiceProvider is a per-game-class instance, so nothing leaks. Plus, it's initialization code is not part of any other interface. Really, if you wanted to re-do all the boot-up and render-preparation, you could definitely write it all in main() and provide your own std::chrono::duration times and everything: nothing's stopping you.
 
11:29 PM
@Pawnguy7 no.
 
user3010322
FurrovineGame isn't doing anything the person themselves aren't capable of doing, and it's doing it in the nicest way possible (not polluting other interfaces with its nicities).
 
@DeadMG are you familiar with the screensaver I made?
 
vaguely.
@ThePhD Right. But what is an IService<T>? What do all the derived classes have in common?
 
Consider yourself informed.
So I saw this.
And I was thinking, what if I made a new version of it like that?
Then I can generate in 3D.
 
user3010322
IService<T> just exposes a bool HasService() const and a T& GetService() member. For example, if you create a Service<Window>, Service<GraphicsDevice>, and put them all in the ServiceProvider, the BeginRun() code will call the .Create methods on them (if they haven't been) and fire them up.
 
11:32 PM
@ThePhD How is that any more convenient than just declaring a data member and constructing it like normal?
 
user3010322
If you don't, then that's your way of "opting out" and just saying you'd like to do it yourself.
 
well, sure, I get that it's optional.
I just don't understand what value you see in making that choice.
 
user3010322
Well, it does a lot more than just call .Create() for you
 
user3010322
It'll check the GraphicsDevice's status, make sure before it calls render that the device hasn't exploded or that it's not dead or that it hasn't been "lost" or the context has died.
 
user1804599
KISI.
 
11:34 PM
seems like the GraphicsDevice should really handle that internally.
 
I frustrated with what the textbooks consider object-oriented programming.
 
user3010322
@DeadMG It does, but it needs a way to notify its user that it's died.
 
@ThePhD Why?
 
user3010322
And I can't anticipate every the-device-has-died scenario (other than the usual "try to bring it up and get it alive again" bits),
 
I don't remember that much about context loss and that kind of thing, but doesn't it basically involve "Just recreate the resources and don't render anything until it's back"?
 
user1804599
11:37 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Read Programming Erlang. It explains it quite well.
 
I'ts like there is a gap from programming the drum in 1961 and the advent of OO with Java/C# in 2005
@rightfold Author?
 
user1804599
Joe Armstrong.
 
@rightfold I have taught programming theory/history for well more than 10 years.
Thanks
 
@CaptainGiraffe It's terribad, I know.
 
There was data hiding in 1969. The only thing new in OO is polymorphism.
 
11:40 PM
inheritance is a fucking useful thing
 
I thought it was evil? :D
 
Yes, classification
 
@Pawnguy7 It is.
 
And it is hard
 
@DeadMG very useful and evil?
 
11:41 PM
well
part of inheritance's usefulness is just that in many situations where in the abstract I'd rather use a template, C++'s build system and such aren't really conducive to doing so.
 
interfaces is OO and polymorphism
 
IMO you should avoid inheritance wherever possible - it's just not possible as often as I'd like by quite a long shot.
 
In what situations can templates replace inheritance?
 
@DeadMG Excellent point.
 
@Pawnguy7 Any situation where you need an interface but the implementation doesn't need to be decided at run-time.
 
11:43 PM
@Pawnguy7 look at the java collections vs the c++ one
 
and it would not be a serious bitch to replace every fucking line of code in your program with a template.
 
@ThePhD I replied to your email.
 
user3010322
:o
 
Evening all.
 
@TonyTheLion I'm just grazing treetops, just grazing treetops.
 
11:46 PM
I'm looking for an article about writing web servers where the author argues the point servers give too many things to the operating system that the application should be doing. I'm not sure where the article is - but I'm looking for it.
 
@CaptainGiraffe ohhh treetops :)
@BenjaminGruenbaum lolwat
 
I have a question.
 
@ZacharyChristopoulos Then ask it on Stack Overflow
 
@TonyTheLion It was mentioned in a link in an SO question but I can't find it. Wasn't even a bad read.
 
Actually. hmm.. nvm. new planXD
haha.
 
11:47 PM
sup baby :)
 
I have too much whiskey left in my bottle.
 
Lift me up above this, the flames and the ashes, lift me up and help me to fly away
@ScottW I'm good. You?
 
@ScottW sup?
 
@ScottW baby, you better be alright, otherwise I'll have to come over and make you alright :)
<3
 
user3010322
And if he happens to depress you, I got enough love for the both of you. <33
 
user3010322
11:52 PM
Ahem.
 
Who wants to take a guess at a subjective question?
 
subjectively or objectively?
 
Ell
I will
 
Either one I guess.
 
11:53 PM
There are not guesses at subjective questions, only absolutes
 
So, I have written some essays.
It states the minimum length is 1250 words.
 
@Pawnguy7 oh crap
 
Hm?
 
please tell
 
So anyway, one was 2800.
And I lost points because it was too long.
 
Ell
11:54 PM
Too young for pawn
 
After this, the professor stated I should aim for 1250-1550.
So, I had the first draft of another at 1978.
They said it was excellent.
Think I will lose points on 2259?
@ScottW yes, I was not fond of it
They are not good at group projects either.
 
Pawn, I'm a uni prof, those are not useful parameters
 
Anyway, any ideas?
@CaptainGiraffe which aren't?
Word count?
 
Saying a text should be short means your text should be succinct
That is always useful.
 
Well.
I would say it has four elements.
The points, the transitions, the examples, and the counterarguments.
 
11:58 PM
I just read an exam answer for 400 words for a 4 out of 50 points answer.
 
@ScottW a composition thing
 
That was an immideate 0 points
 
Here is my problem.
Most of the words added between the first and final drafts here.
Were for counterarguments after I got a peer review.
 

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