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7:03 PM
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Public works in Montreal are so great.
 
lol
couldn't they have just towed it like, 5 metres and then filled in the gap
 
@EtiennedeMartel no better in Ontario. they've ripped up the intersection I need to go through to get to work 5 times in 3 years
and are in the middle of doing it again
 
I'm bitter
 
@rlemon In this specific case it's because they had to quickly and urgently redo a few streets because of the upcoming Formula E event.
 
7:06 PM
ohh nice, well at least you get to watch a nice racey
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
@EtiennedeMartel The fomulas were going to race on those streets?
 
@wilx Looks like it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel The asphalt does not look particularly even and straight.
 
here they like to replace the road, then the next year the sewer, then later that year the sidewalk which somehow requires the road too, then they're putting in infrastructure for the new LRT over a year and a bit, now they're switching out the lights for a roundabout
like.. plan ahead much?
 
7:07 PM
this one's my favourite roadworks fail
 
Maybe they should do a rallying event.
 
I hate make-work projects
 
What didn't help in this case is that construction workers were about to go on strike.
 
I wouldn't be inclined to give them much of a raise after that display
strikes are extortion anyway. disgraceful.
 
7:19 PM
lol
deary me
 
@Abyx Because of gullible people.
 
@sehe I don't get it. what is because of them?
 
It's an answer to your question.
 
@sehe it was a rhetorical question
 
Oh I'm sorry.
It was a very well-chosen device, employed in the most stylish way.
 
7:24 PM
@Mgetz It is talking about urinating dog but I do not see that in any of the pictures. What am I missing?
 
@wilx they don't seem to have bothered with an image
 
@sehe what was?
 
@Mgetz It is here: nypost.com/2017/05/29/…
 
@Abyx You're too tired to troll. Go home.
 
> “That’s an a–hole move. You call this art?” said one woman, who kicked the dog statue as she walked by.
lol
some peeps
 
7:27 PM
@sehe gosh how could you see trolls everywhere and not think that your sarcastic messages is not trolling
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I didn't say I think that. I'm just rewarding you with the attention you deserve.
 
that's very generous of you
is there another word for "synonym"?
 
@BoundaryImposition Metonym? Equivalent?
Analogue?
 
@BoundaryImposition Illuminati confirmed
 
7:52 PM
so
here is a crane
VIDEO: Construction crane collapses in #Moscow suburb during severe #storm https://on.rt.com/8czb https://t.co/qtNMwpBHGR
 
That's not nice. Also not nice, that RT page is serving malware
 
8:08 PM
@sehe Is it?
 
I think it's gotta be malvertising. Still looking
 
@sehe huh? do you have a link or log or something?
 
Nah can't find anything about it really. The odd thing tipping me off was my browser suddenly opening file:///tmp/ta.html on clicking a vid. I'm on linux, so I'm prolly safe. That page looks like a phish of the Google search page - which is weird in many respects, because (a) it used Google dutch (which I never use) and (b) Chrome should not be creating files in /tmp/ (c) Certainly web pages shouldn't be creating files (d) I didn't navigate to it.
So whatever it is, it's fishy, but I can't find a reference to it on a security site (yet)
 
ok so
steel brush + angle grinder = loads of fun
I'd say it could rival sanding in some aspects
 
@sehe Wow!
 
8:20 PM
@sehe that's really weird. A video in the RT article?
 
Well, that's really correlation. Like I said, I suspect a hijacked click or other event, and malvertising. I've checked the vid I tried to click after going back and the link is to YT as expected
It certainly happened on that page and I'm totally not surprised seeing the tons of crap that it loads :)
 
magic. Chromium shouldn't even try to open file: from a https: tab
 
True. It's weird in all respects
 
I wish that chrome would always write some amount of network logs, would help to deal with all those non-reproducible bugs
quite a pain to explain to a user how to make a network log with about:net-export
 
The EZTV site has some nasty stuff in it. I have even turned off images and they still manage to briefly pop up a new tab that closes immediately occasionally.
 
8:42 PM
inb4 web-designers would start riots because machine took their jobs
 
@Abyx they still have to make the input images, no?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes but sometimes there is a designer who makes an image in Photoshop, and a "programmer" who makes it into html/css/jquery
 
If anything it looks an interesting design tool for turning mockups into prototypes.
 
not like I know much about webdev
 
8:59 PM
@Abyx I've worked with tools like these before
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It works just about as well as you might think a software generating code for humans to maintain would.
 
@MadaraUchiha well all those Form designers (Delphi, C#) work the same and people use it
dammit, people even use the MS Word application which generates awful xml
oh
 
@Abyx Those form designers generally don't have to deal with dozens of browsers and a nigh infinite range of resolutions
 
MS Frontpage, remember that one?
 
shudder
 
@Abyx Not sure you will find many WPF-devs who are using the designer
Not even as previewer, many turn it off and edit xaml using the xml editor
 
9:03 PM
I think that WPF was designed to be written by humans
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What I really think is that there's no way that it can generate like, 99% of the code.
it might be able to throw a few <input>s on a page, but when it comes to actually building the UI and making it work, I doubt the tool can do that
 
@Puppy no doubt it cannot make falling snowflakes
 
@Abyx I think not
But tooling was worse than the language
 
@Abyx I loved Frontpage!
still got a soft spot for it
I remember when I figured out how to "add an HTML tag" to my Frontpage site because some webring required it .. was so excited :D
 
@BoundaryImposition so did I, for, like 5 minutes
 
9:06 PM
<3
also there was a set of Java based tools hmm now what they were called
 
until I looked at the code and couldn't understand shit
 
"befuddled" is a nice word.
 
@EtiennedeMartel it is what happens if you combine sehe with a poodle and subtract a scarf
nice indeeed
 
@BoundaryImposition Dem webs, dood.
 
9:08 PM
aww man I'm going to be trying to remember stuff for ages now
I did once try to remember/determine my old Geocities URL and locate it on archive.org, but no joy :(
lost forever -.-
 
@BoundaryImposition oh that installer with three progress bars
 
@Abyx yeah
I hold a lot of nostalgia for the Windows 95-2000 era
 
I remember having a StarCraft fan page hosted on some weird free web hosting service. The kind of service with their own home grown shitty online CMS.
I think it was on Lycos, back when it belonged to someone else.
 
@BoundaryImposition many of those programs could be recompiled to webassembly
one'd be able to run Win95 in a browser %)
 
CoffeeCup!!
 
9:19 PM
Looks good.
All it needs is an "under construction" message
 
Looks modern
 
And animated GIFs.
 
and a guestbook
 
omg guestbooks
I'm really very sad that I can't find my old Geocities URL
 
@EtiennedeMartel altavista
At some point it was possible to host some html pages
 
9:21 PM
> You could download the entire Geocities archives, about 652 GB worth of site files, as mentioned in this article: Geocities Lives On as Massive Torrent Download | WIRED
heh
funny how that's not actually out of the realm of possibility
 
652 GB isn't that much stuff.
 
I have just enough storage and could pull down the lot overnight
if anyone still needed evidence of how much times have changed, there it is
you can download Geocities overnight
 
meanwhile in japan, they can do it on their coffee break
 
also
my god the hours I spent on there
 
Have you tried Neocities?
I don't know much about it, to be honest.
@EtiennedeMartel my Steam library is larger.
 
9:35 PM
mega mega lols
 
lol, no copyright intended.
 
@BoundaryImposition Wait what.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes DOOM by itself is 60 GB.
> all nine movies
I'm surprised you include odd ones.
 
@EtiennedeMartel inb4
there was a complete episode guide backed by Perl and a flat text DB
and I'd made a bunch of logos
can't tell you how proud I was of that at age 14 ish
 
9:38 PM
Oh, so you made this.
 
I have some of the original code on my drive actually - should put it back up for historical sakes
 
Haha please update to IE4
 
Back then IE was actually better than the competition.
 
already archived rommieweb.net (with mixed success), which came a little later
@milleniumbug webrings!
fucking hell just spotted a typo in the image at the bottom
it's only taken me 15 years to notice
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Have you actually thoroughly played most of those games?
my Steam library is nowhere near so large but I still have like 50+ games I've never even started
@EtiennedeMartel Did I mention that Prey is really fucking great?
too easy though
 
9:43 PM
@Puppy lol, I mostly play like, three games.
The overwhelming majority I haven't even launched
Though I do have all of them installed.
 
@Puppy No, but I've heard mixed things about it. I'll wait until it goes on sale (and even then I'm more interested in NieR Automata)
 
You know, just in case.
 
@EtiennedeMartel What mixed things did you hear about it?
 
“C is a DSL for turning low-level byte arrays into security advisories.” — @fare (François-René Rideau)
 
Some 600 hours of Skyrim, 300 hours of Fallout 3, and dunno, maybe 600 hours of Total Wars combined.
 
9:46 PM
@Puppy That it's buggy, that it's repetitive, that the challenge is non existent.
 
That's all bad. Not mixed :p
 
it is moderately buggy but not buggy enough
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well the rest looked good.
 
What's buggy enough? Bethesda-buggy? Big Rigs?
 
and as for repetition, it's true that the core gameplay revolves around a few core mechanics, but that's true for any game, I found it less repetitive than many other games
I will agree that it's not challenging enough but then, I have yet to encounter any straight games that are challenging enough
 
9:49 PM
@Puppy not any game. Some are shit.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes True.
I have never had one of those games inflicted on me, but I have heard often of their existence.
 
wow finding my posts on Experts Exchange from 2000.... F------- would definitely downvote
but one has reminded me of a game I made once. wonder if I can find it. or even remember what it was implemented in....
 
besides, I think you're missing the big picture here
I, Señor Hatred of everything in existence, actually really liked it.
what more do you need
 
jww
@πάντα-ῥεῖ - Would you take another look at Static linking and undefined reference SS_CTX_* functions, please. It may be a little more involved than it looks on first pass.
 
9:54 PM
ah
I must like too many things these days
 
@BoundaryImposition The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
What do you hate so much about him? You seem to engage with him exclusively to insult him these days.
 
am surprised that's a question
he's just like Abyx except that he tries to hide it and shows up more often
 
@Puppy that's not what surprises me. Jerry doesn't behave like this with anyone else, really. It just feels completely out of character
 
would have to speculate that he really offended Jerry in that case, whereas ordinarily he's quite accepting of like, trolls, they're just a thing that happens, boot them and move on
 
10:04 PM
@Puppy Bioshock infinite in mode 9x
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Bioshock was a shit game, I regret buying it, and did not buy any of the sequels.
 
you played the first one only?
 
yep
 
ah didn't play the second but infinite is pretty nice
I didn't finish in 90 mode because I don't have much time and it remind me the old times when you better press that quicksave button often
and if you miss your save you have that 0.5 second before guaranteed death
 
Sounds like garbage.
When save scumming becomes a core mechanic
 
10:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes STALKER comes to mind.
 
I'd say it depends, if you want challenge
 
I have System Shock 2 in my Steam library. Haven't touched it yet.
 
To the earlier discussion:
 
If the challenge is save scumming properly, I'll pass.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes His personality (or lack thereof) I guess--he's fairly careful to sort of stay almost within the letter of the law (so to speak), but constantly (like even quite a bit more the Telkitty) attacks people. Worse, the people he attacks are mostly those in no position to defend themselves. IOW, he's basically like a kid who pulls the wings off of flies.
 
10:11 PM
> Western leaders cannot expect to defeat "terrorism" in their countries when they deny and evade acknowledging the roots of the jihadi phenomenon: the deep connection of the attacks to the faith. Admitting this connection will not only be more respectful to Muslims, it will also be conducive to reforms and useful to Muslim reformists, who acknowledge that the terrorists' ideals come from within: from the houses of worship, the schools and society at large.
From a freaking MEMRI TV.
 
@wilx I'm pretty sure if we'd reverse the roles and have Muslim bomb christians, we could see suicide bombers/lone wolf etc too
 
found some old floppies of real games but not my game
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I don't think so. Christianity explicitly forbids suicide. You could argue it is self sacrifice but it would be tough to argue for.
 
@wilx Islam also forbid it
 
also found old engagement cards; awkward
 
10:14 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix And you are ignoring the whole point of the quote and the article linked.
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Suicide maybe but not fight for their faith.
 
@wilx I'm sorry this site is blocked in Russia
 
@wilx what's weird about that?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Eh, save scumming is a core mechanic of basically all PC games, seems like either you work well with it or you just cry in a corner and break
 
@wilx The bible doesn't forbid to fight for the faith.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not weird. Just a pointing out that it does not come from white cis men.
 
10:16 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I'd hazard the "don't kill" part would cover that
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't remember the Cruzades were peaceful
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I don't remember the Crusades being in the Bible.
You're confusing everything.
 
the 10 commandment were in the bible?
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix In fact, I think you are reinforcing my point, to a degree, that it is in Islam to do what the baddies do.
 
um why are we back on religion?
 
10:17 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix maybe you shouldn't talk about the contents of books you are not familiar with.
 
@BoundaryImposition Because I ran into the quote and it was relevant to the prior discussion.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Really, the 10 commandments aren't in the Bible? That's not very ... commanding of them
 
@Puppy they are in Exodus.
 
oh, I think I just misread the conversation.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well may be. The not kill commandment might be there but now thinking about it. How are we certain of the translation
 
10:22 PM
lolwut?
 
um
 
In french it's pretty much not to kill, in english it seems to be to not murder which are different things
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The Crusades (as such) aren't in the Bible, but the Old Testament does include stories of at least a few dozen battles.
 
if memory serves, the 10 Commandments are all pretty basic one-phrase jobbies
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix there are many translations.
 
10:23 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix The English translation is "Thou shalt not kill"
 
As I said, there are many translations.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix That looks like somebody simplified them for brainless people and overdid it somewhat
 
possibly like simple english on wikipedia
 
actually, the quote I posted is the Wikipedia translation, and also the exact wording I was taught at school
and also the exact wording I remember from The Simpsons ;p
also, it seems to be a fundamentally stupid thing to do to say "Thou shalt not kill except in the cases when thou may kill"
apart from the obvious potential for any ruler to just say "The law is I can kill when I like", it's quite a tautology
 
10:29 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Yeah. If only someone would have told Moses. Saved him a lot of sweat, going up that mountain. Twice. And Aaron wouldn't have messed up with the anti-superstition guardianship
@Puppy woohoo, that must be it
 
@sehe If even the Americans agree, it must be true
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Watch out, we've got an badass alternative exegesis over here!
Thou Shalt Not Bear
/hangs head in shame
 
good thing "Thou shalt not puppy" is not on the list
 
Still, "thou shalt not Giraffe!" is for some reason on the extended list.
 
@Puppy On one hand, it undoubtedly is trying to keep things fairly short and simple (which they are in the original Hebrew). The problem is that there is no English word that corresponds directly to the Hebrew word in the original, which apparently means something closer to "wrongfully destroy", so it probably applies not only to killing people, but also to things like vandalism. On the other hand, the Bible never uses that word to refer to killing people in battle.
@sehe Seems pretty unbearable.
 
10:37 PM
@JerryCoffin For e.g. Catholics, the authoritative text is the Vulgate, which is a Latin translation.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh, come on. I giggled appropriately at sehe's, but this is just. I don't know. Do you have an RSS feed I can subscribe to?
 
@JerryCoffin Maybe they did decide to just give themselves an out then, just tell the common folks not to kill people but if you're writing the laws do what you want
 
@JerryCoffin The Vulgate says "non occides", which is just the people bit.
 
puppies count as people right?
 
@Puppy as does Giraffes!
 
10:40 PM
@Puppy Some would see that as an insult to puppies.
 
@CaptainGiraffe Nah, they're expendable
 
@CaptainGiraffe Sorry, but no.
 
@JerryCoffin true
 
This is my cousin Rax. He has no understanding of Hebrew, nor the sixth commandment.
 
I saw a hilarious video in Shogun 2 Total War about a ninja sneaking into a camp, and he gets his leg caught in a sleeping soldier and then trips over another soldier
 
10:43 PM
@JerryCoffin Also, from what I ascertained, the Masorah says תִרְצָח, which seems to mean "murder" morfix.co.il/en/%D7%AA%D6%B4%D7%A8%D6%B0%D7%A6%D6%B8%D7%97
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the original Greek still has some theological weight though
 
(Could be that it was different in Ancient Hebrew)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, sort of. As I recall, the statement was that it's free from error with respect to faith and morals, or something on that order. On the other hand, it was not said in an ex cathedra statement, so there may be some room for question about whether it's truly binding on all Catholics either.
 
For those curious: ex cathedra
with the full authority of office (especially that of the Pope, implying infallibility as defined in Roman Catholic doctrine).
 
10:53 PM
@CaptainGiraffe If we're going to get into that: as quite recently defined in Roman Catholic doctrine. Specifically, papal infallibility didn't become doctrine until Vatican Council I, in 1870. There had been several attempts at it previously, and at least one pope declared the notion to be the work of the devil...
 
@CaptainGiraffe If was a gaffe, but in the old testament
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...or it could (easily) be that my memory is just misleading me.
 
An Ancient Hebrew dictionary says רָצַח is "kill".
 
oo lexicon view sez 'to murder, slay'
 
Slaying sounds way cooler.
 
10:56 PM
@LucDanton Yeah :| I was surprised Bible Gateway doesn't have the Masorah. Though it does have the Vulgate.
 
ye I got lost there as well and ultimately gave up
@sehe \m/
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I love this. Note how @LoïcFaure-Lacroix dropped out
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, seems so.
 
@LucDanton Impossibru!
 
@LucDanton Hmmm...but it also says (apparently talking about just that one word, not the commandment in general) "to dash in pieces", which would seem to do a bit more to support my (admittedly lousy) memory.
 
@sehe You wouldn't happen to have a link to it? I think it was Tony the Lion stating that Giraffe sex was mostly gay? not that it matters. I seem to recall the dialoge as reasonably funny.
@JerryCoffin Was papal infallability "declared the notion to be the work of the devil"? my google fu is escaping me.
 
I'm not sure it mentions more detail - or even whether it died
 
@CaptainGiraffe Right--they'd brought up the idea previously, and the pope of the time was (apparently quite strongly) opposed. I'm not sure I can help much with Googling though--I don't remember where I read this.
 
> In his book on the First Vatican Council, August Hasler wrote, "John XXII didn't want to hear about his own infallibility. He viewed it as an improper restriction of his rights as a sovereign, and in the bull Qui quorundam (1324) condemned the Franciscan doctrine of papal infallibility as the work of the devil."
 
@sehe I'm just working
 
11:11 PM
@JerryCoffin That's about the root. The different binyanim (qal, nifal, piel, etc in Luc's "even better lexicon view" page) ("conjugations") have slightly different meanings.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Right--but I probably didn't notice (or at least pay attention to) that as a teenager (which I'm pretty sure was when I formulated the notion). I was contrary enough to be happy with finding it as having a somewhat different meaning that I probably just went with it.
 
@sehe I thought you were trolling me, but you are absolutely correct. biblehub.com/genesis/5-26.htm
 
@JerryCoffin Fair enough.
 
@CaptainGiraffe I used the original translation that didn't euphemize "daughters" yet
 
@sehe Original sources counts! I remember getting into an argument what the standard quicksort used as a pivot =/
 
11:19 PM
 
That response is true in every way. The asker might not like it though.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes For a while, I was rather set on proving (at least to myself) that nearly everything mandated by the Bible was at least a little (and often entirely) different than I'd been taught in Catholic school. For years, we'd been taught that premarital sex was simply a sin. No ifs, ands or buts. Then I actually read the Bible, and found that what it says is actually that if a boy and girl who aren't married or engaged to anybody else have sex, then they're engaged to each other.
Nothing at all about it's being a sin, nor even that it should be viewed as a lesser form of getting engaged. Basically a fairly normal and respectable thing, as far as the Bible cared.
 
FQA
 
trigger word for this chat
 
11:24 PM
@milleniumbug nice
@JerryCoffin Catholics have been the best at adding layers and layers of ornamentation onto the book.
And by that I mean, L. Ron Hubbard levels of augmentation.
 
@sehe Probably. Comparing what we'd been taught to what it actually said certainly gave me a lot more empathy for Martin Luther's positions.
 
What's wrong with L Ron Hubbard? He tells the same story as the SG-1 TV series I so much enjoy.
 
@sehe can't be that far
 
Well. It's different. But sure can! Papal infallibility pretty much defines it. And saintdom?
 
@sehe mormons though
 
11:33 PM
True. Catholics have been slacking lately
 
@sehe At the same time, they (and, in fairness nearly all other Christians) seem to have no difficulty at all ignoring lots of parts they don't particularly like. At times I've rather enjoyed telling people about how my older brother died without having children, and his widow was hot, so I got her to move in and have sex with me, and have some kids together (only they're his kids, not mine). Absolutely what the Bible says I need to do, but Christians seem to find it appalling.
 
how can they be his kids?
 
It's almost as if religions are predominantly man-made. 🤔
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix How can a conception be immaculate? biblehub.com/deuteronomy/25-5.htm
 
@sehe why the predominantly?
 
Just being playful
I love to leave a shred of doubt
 
11:41 PM
I can drink to that.
 
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix Because that's what God commands! Honestly, it basically had to do with inheritance--the oldest son inherited more than the younger sons. If an oldest brother died without children, then the first son the younger brother had with the oldest son's widow received the larger inheritance.
 
@Horttanainen almost expected the last panel to have the legacy app eating the cloud native app
 
Dude, I predict the mobile phone market will double when people realize they can use the other ear.
 
You mean when they discover headphones?
 
So this is Electric Church music. youtu.be/29UAK_o3Fz4?t=303. Start from the beginning if you're a fan.
 
11:54 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So (assuming I count as part of "people") around 1970?
 
lol my answer is in the SO newsletter xD
 
@Borgleader demand the "I am not a robot" badge
 
slow week apparently
 

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