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user1804599
4:00 PM
TCP should enforce encryption.
 
Why? In the OSI mindset encryption would be "presentation layer", rather than "transport".
 
user1804599
People have demonstrated their incompetence time and time again.
 
user1804599
It is time for enforcement.
 
user1804599
No encryption, no bind.
 
I believe in the right of incompetence.
 
4:09 PM
is there any body that has experience with git
 
Xeo
A long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away, yes.
 
user1804599
@AndroidDev No, we all use Subversion.
 
user1804599
Git doesn't work well with C++.
5
 
Xeo
lol
 
4:19 PM
@Borgleader aw bby
 
> 100% PvE
> Exceptions: Wvw/Pvp
make up your mind
 
@rightfold s/ with C++//
 
Xeo
Hrmm...
I now have my SSH keys inside KeePass with KeeAgent, but now git can't find them anymore (I used a .ssh/config to map hosts to keys before)
 
4:44 PM
Generate millions of keys in your .ssh dir. This way hackers won't know which one is the real one.
Unless they do what git does..
 
Xeo
lol
 
lol I suck
I always have my keys in .ssh.
 
Xeo
I did too, until now
didn't want to gen new keys on every PC or lug them around everywhere, so I wanted to put them into keepass
now I just need git / gitbash / msys to find them...
I thought ssh went through all loaded keys to find one that works, but somehow that either doesn't happen or it can't find any loaded keys
 
For my work laptop I'm required to use disk encryption. It's a bios setting and doesn't have any noticeable overhead. .. Not sure if applicable here..
@Xeo Generating new keys is not much work, is it/
 
Xeo
4:49 PM
@StackedCrooked but annoying
and I need to add the public key to Stash / GitHub or whatevs
 
Basically ssh-keygen and then press enter a few times until it stops nagging.
Ah.
 
Xeo
I just want all my ssh keys to be available whereever my keepass is
since I kept the passphrase in there too, so far
 
DropBox perhaps?
 
Xeo
That's where I keep my keepass db :P
I could keep the keys there too, but then I'd still have to manually ssh-add them all the time
and enter the passphrase too
KeeAgent (KeePass plugin) acts as an ssh agent, and can auto-load keys n stuff
even with passphrases
 
user1804599
@Ven XD
 
Xeo
4:52 PM
which is nice
I just need to get this to work...
 
user1804599
@every_unit
Tweeting every unit
1 tweets, 32 followers, following 1 users
 
@rightfold That's soooooo nerdy. :D
 
Sounds like a question for superuser or security SE.
Or @CatPlusPlus.
He'd surely know what to do.
 
Ell
@Ven lol
is there going to be a twitter for every inductive type now?
@rightfold how do establish an encrypted channel through which to bind without first binding an unencrypted channel? :P
 
I wonder what's wrong with this picture:
 
Xeo
5:00 PM
:D
 
Ven
a screenshot of a screenshot?
 
Xeo
cuz I posted it earlier
 
@Ven preposterous! take a screenshot of it to shame the guilty
 
Xeo
just posting the pic wouldn't have conveyed what I wanted to convey
hey Luc, you know git, right
 
Ven
of course he does
it's Immutable™
 
Ell
5:03 PM
yeah, you can't change things in place
 
@Xeo I refuse to answer on the basis that it can be used to annoy me
 
Ell
you can only alter the past
 
Xeo
lol
fair enough
 
I don’t really though
 
Xeo
maybe I should just ask on SU
 
user1804599
@Ell Make it part of the protocol.
 
Xeo
okay, now I made it somehow work...
 
@Xeo I know git
 
Xeo
5:24 PM
that was needed
and then $ export SSH_AUTH_SOCK="~/.ssh/keepass_cygwinsocket"
 
you put your SSH keys in keepass?
 
Xeo
ye
 
didn't know there was proper support for that
 
user1804599
> There are approximately one billion telephones in the world.
 
user1804599
This book must be ancient.
 
Xeo
5:25 PM
KeeAgent, a plugin
 
@rightfold "telephone" and "one billion" pretty much give it away
 
Xeo
now I just need to put the export part into .bashrc, and then that should be it... neato.
the auto-unlock also works, so that's good.
 
user1804599
ewww bash as an interactive shell
 
Xeo
mimimi
it comes with git and works on Windows, what else do I care for.
 
I also use git bash
some of my colleagues use various GUIs for git but I am not impressed by them really
 
Xeo
5:29 PM
ye
most of my team mates use sourcetree
fuck that POS
 
I'm using gitkraken lots of eyecandy in this one
 
truth is
 
it's the crysis of git guis
 
git has a reputation for a terrible CLI but so far as I can see, it's totally fine
 
Xeo
we also have git lfs, so if a GUI doesn't support it, it's out of the picture
 
5:30 PM
 
we also use git lfs
 
Git Kraken? Whats next Git Cthullu?
 
GitMobyDick
 
gitauri
 
@Puppy git is in some ways easier than other tools (especially some of the older ones), but there's caveats to using any of them. It's a pick your poison kind of decision to make. git IMHO is easier for developers to use.
 
Ell
5:40 PM
html and css are terrible sometimes :(
I'll just use css tables
 
@Ell "sometimes"?
 
Ell
always >.<
 
Ell
5:56 PM
box-sizing is my saviour
 
6:16 PM
@Mysticial A number of things. Most obviously that somebody's apparently running iTunes.
 
6:36 PM
lol
 
Omg, this is hilarious. Apparently, one of the authors of the WSJ article about PewDiePie (spelling?) tweeted this.
 
Ven
6:57 PM
@Ell have you seen that ascii-to-css thing? :D
 
Ell
@Ven No
and I'd rather it stay that way :P
 
Ell
oh wow :V
 
Ell
7:24 PM
I cannot reproduce this layout :'(
 
Ell
that's awful
 
user1804599
TIL pmf and pdf
 
user1804599
I'm so excited.
 
user1804599
This is super interesting.
 
Ell
7:35 PM
probability stuff?
 
@Xeo Wow, Youjo Senki was brutal.
 
user1804599
@Ell Yes!
 
user1804599
And how you can construct pmf from a histogram.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Haven't seen it yet
about to
 
Ell
8:05 PM
man
I need to write this volume slider-esq ui widget in html&js
 
user1804599
@Ell <input type="range" />, noob
 
Ell
@rightfold cool
now I need them to be paired
and able to add multiple pairs and merge them
(context: setting opening hours)
 
use React noob
 
@Ell it's called programming :)
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked yeah, I don't like it :(
I would prefer to bikeshed instead
 
8:28 PM
@EtiennedeMartel I'm torn. From the very start, the first item does seem to gloss over well documented events like this:
The 2015 Ikea stabbing attack occurred on 10 August when Abraham Ukbagabir fatally stabbed two people in an IKEA store in the Erikslund Shopping Center in Västerås, Sweden as revenge for not being granted asylum in Sweden. The stabbing attracted worldwide attention. Ukbagabir was convicted of two first degree murder charges and sentenced to life in December 2015. == Attack == The perpetrator, Abraham Ukbagabir, a 36-year-old Eritrean Christian, took a knife from the kitchenware department at IKEA in Västerås and began looking for Swedish-looking people to attack. He attacked two victims; a 55-year...
I agree there are good reasons not to call it a terrorist attack, but Islamist? Check. Terrorizes? Check. In sweden? Check. By asylum seeker? Check. Seemingly downplayed by media... Half-check.
 
eh
from the oneboxed summary I would not call it an Islamist attack
seems like a straight-up revenge motive from a guy who happened to be a Muslim
hmm
 
@Puppy Yup. And he superficially copied the modus operandi of ISIS. The net effect is fear of muslim immigrants. And I'd tend to say understandably. Media exposure would make it easier for this to be put into perspective, IYAM
 
Xeo
8:43 PM
Guys, can I start bash with a certain environment variable added, without going through env?
 
@Xeo Start from where?
Also, start how for what purpose?
 
Xeo
I can tell KeePass to execute a certain command line, and I want that to start bash with SSH_AUTH_SOCK set a certain way.
 
@Xeo you can proceed as with anything else, e.g. blah=42 bash
 
Ell
ye that
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Hm, I should prolly add that I'm not inside a shell environment at that time.
 
Ell
8:45 PM
bash -c "blah=42 bash"? :P
 
Xeo
lol
 
Ell
why don't you want to use env?
 
Xeo
cuz it opens an extra window
 
What. Windows FAIL?
 
I either start bash from another shell or set things in .profile/.bashrc etc. (i.e. after bash started) so I’ve never run into that particular situation
 
Xeo
8:49 PM
@Ell that executes bash and closes it :P
oh wait, second bash in there
that... still seems to close it immediately
 
Ell
that's weird
 
Not at all.
 
Ell
why not at all?
 
Xeo
@LucDanton I'm trying to set up a portable KeePass / git thumbdrive so I can just plug that in, and fire up git-bash with proper SSH keys loaded and ready to operate.
 
@Xeo You can, or you want to "can"?
 
user1804599
8:51 PM
DSP is interesting.
 
@Xeo ah
 
Xeo
I can.
 
user1804599
I'm reading a 32-chapter book about DSP.
 
@Xeo Huh. So, what is the trouble
 
Xeo
it either keeps an extra window open if I use env.exe SSH_AUTH_SOCK="..." git-bash.exe or closes immediately if I use just git-bash.exe -c "SSH_AUTH_SOCK='...'"
 
8:53 PM
bash -i or bash -l? Maybe you need to start.exe /b too on windows, dunno
 
Xeo
oooh, env changes from the cmd environment transfer to the started bash terminal...
set SSH_AUTH_SOCK="..." && git-bash might work...
 
user784668
@sehe Can a match box?
 
Xeo
oooh, weird
set SSH_AUTH_SOCK=... && git-bash allows me to echo $SSH_AUTH_SOCK, but git can't seem to use it internally. If I do (inside the started git-bash) SSH_AUTH_SOCK=... (with the same path as above), it works.
Unless I'm blind and typo'd on the first one...
 
user784668
@Xeo What is this "set" crap? Are you on Windows?
 
Xeo
yes?
asjdfhajfgh
there's gotta be a way
 
user784668
9:08 PM
What if you pass a Windows path?
 
Xeo
that doesn't work at all
fuck
7
cat got my hand
 
user784668
@Xeo Could you try adding export SSH_AUTH_SOCK="${SSH_AUTH_SOCK}" to /etc/bash.bashrc?
 
user784668
Yes, I know how stupid it looks.
 
user784668
But it's probably some Cygwin emulation crap that changes behavior on whether it's a Win32 envvar or a Cygwin envvar.
 
user1804599
.@JadenGeller If someone tells me they wrote something secure, I'll ask to see their seL4-style proofs or http://ats-lang.org source.
 
user1804599
9:17 PM
prove it motherfucker
 
Xeo
Wait, I have a bashrc for portable Git? that makes it easier, I thought I had no "home environment" to speak of.
export SSH_AUTH_SOCK=`realpath ../../data/KeePass/cygwin_socket`
 
user784668
@rightfold Then you realize timing attacks exist, so you can stuff your proofs and ATS source in a certain orifice.
 
Xeo
that should suffice if I put it in the bash.bashrc
 
user784668
@Xeo Bash has a global bashrc in that path IIRC.
 
Xeo
yay, it works
 
user784668
9:22 PM
@rightfold Solved timing attacks? Now do the same for power and EM attacks.
 
Xeo
I can now open (portable) git-bash from (portable) keepass' ssh key entry, cd to a ssh-configured git dir, and operate there
whee
 
user784668
@Xeo Glad to help, that'll be $1000000.
 
Xeo
not that I'll ever use this, probably, since I have only two work environments and can just modify ~/.bashrc to export SSH_AUTH_SOCK, but still nice.
tinkering around with this stuff is fun
 
user784668
@Xeo And by "$" I don't mean some worthless shit like Zimbabwean or murican dollars.
 
yes, 'fun'
 
Xeo
9:24 PM
I think it's fun. :<
I like learning new stuff
 
user784668
@Xeo Bzzzzt, wrong! Don't even try to learn!
 
I'm enjoying my time on linux immensely
everything is so novel and smooth, I like it
(this is my ~4th week on ubuntu mate)
 
Ell
@BogdanMarginean joiiin uss
@Fanael with c code you don't have to go to those extents though :D
 
Ven
you're quick
 
I wanted to send him to coliru
but mb too fast
 
Xeo
Hmm... now I wonder if I can somehow generate new SSH keys from within KeePass...
 
@Ell we're already 10?
 
Ell
@BogdanMarginean eh
what do you mean?
 
9:47 PM
reference to barely known old video I wonder if I can still find it
turn on captions
1:07 but you need the whole thing for context XD
 
Ven
or learn french
 
not trying to make it seem like I'm a linux guru but I'll let you know that I was able to start vim and close it too
10
 
Ven
well i'll let you know I even enabled syntax highlighting on vim.
 
not exactly hard when it tells you what to do when you press Ctrl+C
 
Ven
true :P
kids these days.
 
9:52 PM
> Type :quit<Enter> to exit Vim
 
@BogdanMarginean have a star for this amazing achievement
 
ty
I actually use vim very often because VS code is great only when I want to open up my regular workspace
for spontaneous on the fly coding, opening VS code then switching spots or manually opening files is too much work
 
Currently my only use for vim is editing commit messages
and that's mainly because I'm too lazy to change $EDITOR
 
Ven
@BogdanMarginean goddamned startup times
won't someone think of the java developers
 
Ell
@BogdanMarginean this guy is really funny
 
9:56 PM
ikr
 

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