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3:00 PM
but he dreams of riding a bear into the sunset with putin
 
nwp
@JohanLarsson a panda bear, in china
 
@JohanLarsson no, that's the reality. He dreams of a world where Putin is a nice guy
 
@nwp what if putin gets a crypto bear?
 
nwp
@JohanLarsson only he will know the way back and not give trump the key?
I'm not sure what we are talking about anymore.
 
me neither, my joke was about sehe
but it was strange, a stray association
 
3:30 PM
"We're gonna be doin' one thing and one thing only. Debatin' nazis" https://t.co/V3F3Ueq1Jr
 
Ven
> Our goal is to be better at string processing than Perl!
> (Swift 4 Proposal)
HAH.
@rightfold they wish!
 
nwp
3:53 PM
Which answer is correct in C++14? (concerning capturing expiring objects / stack pointer in lambdas)
 
> plz guys help me – mojojo 3 hours ago
ahaha
 
@Mysticial good evening. read your answer on Zen, well they promise even lower, $350
 
@iksemyonov For the 8-core chip?
 
should be
on overclock.net, we've been chasing down 1680v2's for a long while, they go for about $500 sometimes, but how Zen is bound to make them obsolete
 
Is there a better source than overclock.net?
Or at least where they're linking to.
 
3:57 PM
uhm, sorry? for what kind of info exactly
1680v2's appear on taobao.com, but you need an agent to buy there. $450-$500 sometimes
 
1680v2 is an Intel processor.
 
it is
but it's for socket 2011, which is quite common among the entusiast crowd
 
Don't confuse 2011 and 2011v3.
 
sure
it's the old 2011
 
2011 is Sandy/Ivy Bridge. 2011v3 is Haswell/Broadwell
 
3:59 PM
the unlocked 8-core for 2011v3 is called 1660 and it probably is only unlocked in ES, according to what i've read
 
IIRC, the Haswell series 1xxx Xeons for 2011v3 are all unlocked.
 
yep, haswell, not broadwell
at least according to OC.N and some more people who spend their time testing that stuff.
v3 unlocked in retail, v4 unlocked in ES. locked vice versa
 
> But during a Tuesday morning meeting with automobile executives at the White House, Mr Trump described himself as an environmentalist. On Monday, he made similar comments to other business leaders, saying: "I'm a very big person when it comes to the environment. I have received awards on the environment."
 
Q_Q
> For too long, we’ve been held back by burdensome regulations on our energy industry. President Trump is committed to eliminating harmful and unnecessary policies such as the Climate Action Plan and the Waters of the U.S. rule.
> The Trump Administration will embrace the shale oil and gas revolution to bring jobs and prosperity to millions of Americans.
> The Trump Administration is also committed to clean coal technology, and to reviving America’s coal industry, which has been hurting for too long.
"environmentalist"
(Those quotes are from the White House website, btw)
 
@CheukKinSing bok bok bok
 
4:15 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Short term gains before long term self-destruction, ya know.
Capitalism!
 
@EtiennedeMartel The term for self-destruction isn't even that long.
 
@Morwenn It's still longer than a presidential term.
Hell, Trump himself will probably be dead before everything explodes.
 
@Code-Apprentice America First Energy is incompatible with The Netherlands Second.
 
Donald Trump is incompatible with just about everything
 
4:20 PM
@Code-Apprentice Except his voters.
 
even some of those...
 
Ven
@Code-Apprentice was posted yesterday
 
why am I not surprised? ;-(
 
4:37 PM
@Mysticial if i may ask, has your timezone changed? not sure if this is perfectly valid question of course but i used to consult you a few times on the low level optimization stuff
 
@iksemyonov I'm still in Chicago. But my ability to answer questions varies all the time.
So even if you catch me when I'm available, I may not be able to answer.
 
my (our) volume rendering program has so far netted me an A grade at the master's thesis presentation and a couple c++ job interviews
 
5:21 PM
Today's interesting factoid:
3
 
Ven
Jerry is alive.
 
nwp
@JerryCoffin you have to first say if it is alternative or not
 
Ven
lol
Everyone that confuses correlation with causation eventually ends up dead.
2
 
@JerryCoffin I found a variant of this classic:
 
5:28 PM
There's a site somewhere that allows you find random data-sets that correlate
 
haha
fail of the day:
Uhh, you have the same logical assertion in both places, just using different operators. — chris 21 mins ago
 
@Ven Wrong! (That should be "Everyone who ...")
 
> Stack Overflow is currently offline for maintenance
yay thankfully chat still works
 
nwp
5:39 PM
let's all hold F5 until it comes back up
> We apologize for any inconvenience, but an unexpected error occurred while you were browsing our site. It’s not you, it’s us. This is our fault. Detailed information about this error has automatically been recorded and we have been notified.
 
@thecoshman There is, but to be interesting, you have to find things that seem like they could almost have some sort of cause/effect relationship.
 
@JerryCoffin At the risk of being hailed by Trump-supporters:
 
@Mysticial Now you're scaring me...
 
Seems like it's currying implemented with partial application.
auto curried_add3(int a) {
    return [a](int b) {
        return [a, b](int c)  {
            return a + b + c;
        };
    };
}

curried_add3(1)(2)(3); // Returns `6`.
 
Xeo
5:45 PM
currying is just the act of turning 1 n-ary function into n successive 1-ary functions, really.
partial application is... just that. applying only a part of the necessary arguments to get a value out of something
 
@Mysticial Yes, now that one seems close enough to a possible cause and effect that it's at least somewhat interesting. Correlation between marriage rate in Upper Slobovia and price of rice in Western China isn't nearly as fun.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked This is currying. Partial application would be std::bind with placeholders.
 
nwp
they fixed it
 
@StackedCrooked I find this a bit strange. Much of the point of currying is to avoid specifically creating an add3 or anything similar. What we'd typically want is something more on this order: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/730bf7f23af391a3. This lets us add lists of arbitrary length without any more code.
 
O I see.
 
Note that I'm not claiming this is actual currying, just that it's giving roughly the same sort of effect as we'd typically hope to get from currying.
 
@JerryCoffin Wasn't something like that used in Boost.Assignment?
> map<int,int> next = map_list_of(1,2)(2,3)(3,4)(4,5)(5,6);
 
nwp
@JerryCoffin add3 was just an example to explain the goal, the actual point is the curry function
 
6:06 PM
@Morwenn Probably (but if I ever looked at the code for Boost.Assignment, I've long since forgotten it).
 
Especially now that we have initializer lists.
 
I'm not sure what's worse, Boost.Assign or std::initializer_list
 
One ships with your compiler x)
 
@milleniumbug Assign is worse. Initializer list is far from perfect, but at least there are some cases where it works reasonably well.
@Morwenn MingW includes both.
 
@JerryCoffin I don't remember having Boost in my MinGW. I guess it depends on the builds.
 
Ell
6:17 PM
TIL in postgresql, the point type represents (long, lat) not (lat, long) -.-
 
nwp
void f(); std::promise<void> p; p.set_value(f()); should totally compile
 
That grudging respect you feel for a noisy compiler warning when it finally finds an actual bug.
 
Xeo
@nwp there's a proposal...
 
nwp
6:33 PM
don't have if constexpr yet, can't have partial specialization for functions ... this is unexpectedly difficult
 
hmm
the people above me set off the fire alarm and are not here to confirm that they are not actually on fire
I don't see, hear or small anything
 
@Xeo @StackedCrooked You guys watching this show this season?
:P
 
Xeo
Dude
obviously
new episode tomorrow
Monday LWA, Wednesday KonoSuba2, Friday Youjo Senki, Saturday Demi-chan.
I got my week mapped out
 
Holy shit. You're more organized than usual in that.
 
Xeo
ye
I usually only watch 1 show or so
haven't even watched anything the last two seasons
But this season has a bunch of stuff I was looking forward too anyways (LWA, KonoSuba2, Demi-chan)
and Youjo Senki is really good so far
 
6:52 PM
I need to finish Naruto.
 
7:14 PM
I need to never think of this pretentious shit again
Mangas are for 12 year old boys that need boobs to wank off to and insane characters they can identify themselves with to boost their ego
 
> that need boobs to wank off
sometimes I use my imagination, but being able to see them makes it easier
:P
 
@Columbo You say that as if you think of it as a bad thing...
 
@JerryCoffin I've seen a lot of One Piece.
(I.e. all episodes that were available a few years ago.)
Now that I look back, that Anime is just childish, but I am interested in the storyline after going into so much depth
@milleniumbug I agree, actually.
Ahh, fuck it.
 
@Columbo I find it interesting how "childish" and "child-like" both basically mean "like a child", but childish has a completely negative connotation, while "child-like" is much more positive.
 
Time for some One Piece.
 
7:24 PM
Did the paperwork
 
And? You got HIV?
 
The bike is officially mine now
 
Oh
 
I can register it and stuff
Also apparently the shop said they already started getting the influx of orders for the new season
A few weeks and it's gonna be impossible to get anything done because everyone remembers that they have to prepare their rides
 
@JerryCoffin Well. That's the thing with words, once you predominantly use them in certain contexts they are associated accordingly
Similar to weird and strange. The latter has a negative connotation.
The former does not.
You call a random person "stranger"
You don't call them weirdos.
I forgot how neat the One Piece OSTs were.
 
7:33 PM
@Columbo I think you reversed those, but I get the idea. I don't generally assume people I don't know are weird. If anything, I'm the weird one.
 
/cc @milleniumbug Look at that SHIT
WTF?!
How is that even remotely realistic
 
Xeo
it's not vOv
 
"Drrrrragon-san"
Oh ffs
Cut your cute voice you non-existent slut
And her pupils are bigger than her mouth
 
that's the artist's choice really
 
@JerryCoffin No, if I call something "strange", I am... afraid, somehow. If something is weird, I'm curious.
 
7:36 PM
@Columbo Years ago I went to the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas. It turns out the porn people have some sort of convention there at (about) the same time. Saw a few women going to that who looked pretty close to that.
 
Maybe that's just me.
 
@Columbo Certainly not how I'd expect them to be used, but it may also be somewhat regional.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh wow what a coincidence Jerry!
The porn convention was right after the Consumer Electronics Show!
In Las Vegas!
Wow!
What are the chances I wonder?
 
TIL porn conventions exist
 
@milleniumbug What you didn't know?
We have them in Germany, too
They're everywhere
 
7:41 PM
@Columbo I guess you'd have to ask the person who sent me (the owner of the company I worked for at the time). As I've probably pointed out previously, however, I've never really been a big fan of porn. I've nothing against the idea, but the quality is usually complete crap. None of the women I saw at the convention made me want to see them naked.
 
@JerryCoffin If you just look at amateur crap online, that is probably true, but just like in every form of art, there are some pearls, too
And I doubt you didn't see one actress that you found appealing
At a Las Vegas convention
 
@Columbo I'll take your word for it.
 
@JerryCoffin I have a hard time finding good material every day. Just waste about an hour every day browsing through twenty bookmarked portals with my junk out
Not even wanking, just looking
Lemme tell ya
I need to change my life
Get a girlfriend, but for that I need to interact with society, and.... no
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@Columbo Oh, if I'd actually gone to that convention and spent time looking, I probably would have.
 
@JerryCoffin THERE IS A PORN CONVENTION DURING YOUR VEGAS BUSINESS TRIP AND YOU MISS IT FOR NO REASON?
 
7:49 PM
@Columbo I wouldn't say "no reason". Like I said, I wasn't a fan.
 
Then what do you do when you get into an argument with your fiancee and she won't hook up for a couple days?
 
Xeo
@Columbo porn conventions don't sound all that interesting
 
Just a bunch of people fucking, I'd presume
 
Xeo
8:05 PM
Nah, more about sex toys and how the Internet of Shit will pleasure you in ways unknown.
 
8:25 PM
Last year, there was a porn convention at the same time and place as Anime Midwest.
The convention center really fubar'ed the booking. Anime Midwest wasn't too happy about that.
AMW wasn't big enough to take the entire convention center. And they booked a year ahead of time. So the convention center "randomly booked" the porn convention at the same time in the upper floor of the same building.
 
I answered a question 2 years later, and it got the accepted answer. Is there a badge for that?
@Mysticial And this is bad why?
 
@Mikhail A large portion of AMW attendees are kids.
I'm not sure how large it is, I'm guessing about 10% off the top of my head based on what I saw there last year.
 
8:42 PM
@Columbo lol
 
9:01 PM
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9:28 PM
you'd think they'd make sure that stuff like that at least has separate entrances and has barriers
 
@Mikhail No, but if you get some up-votes you could get either a or a .
@Mgetz They probably do--but just the people entering/leaving a porn convention...well, I can understand a lot of parents not wanting their kids nearby.
 
@JerryCoffin the only "It could have been worse" I could think of was a Furry Con at the same time
 
9:49 PM
@Mysticial The trick is to be so big nobody schedules anything else with 100 miles at the same time (e.g., Comic Con).
 
@Mysticial yep
 
Ell
10:05 PM
css can be such a pain sometimes -.-
 
@Ell [citation needed]. Without solid evidence, the claim that there might be a time CSS is not such a pain seems outrageous.
 
@JerryCoffin Are you talking about Comiket in Japan?
 
@Mysticial No. Comic-Con.
 
@JerryCoffin That's tiny compared to Comiket.
lol
@JerryCoffin But is Comic-Con big enough to turn San Diego upside-down?
Looks like New York Comic Con is even bigger. But it's merged with the Anime con as well.
^^ @Xeo, Really? Kantai is bigger than Touhou? (From: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comiket)
 
 
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11:25 PM
std::remove_reference<>::type should be a language feature
 
nwp
why?
 
I use it often and want to minimize the number of includes I use, also typing it
std::remove_reference<decltype( * ptr)>::type
 
nwp
can't you do something like template <class T> using reref = std::remove_reference<T>::type; if all you need is shorter syntax?
 
well I used a #define, but that doesn't address the need for an additional header
 
nwp
maybe it can be implemented without including type_traits
 
11:33 PM
in retrospect, I should be using std::decay
 
yes
it's literally 7 lines or so
okay, not 7 lines
we need to remove rvalue references too
so 10
 
It seems I'm not 100% crazy because things like std::decay are already defined in C++14 as "helper types"
 
template<typename T> struct remove_reference { typedef T type; };
template<typename T> struct remove_reference<T&> { typedef T type; };
template<typename T> struct remove_reference<T&&> { typedef T type; };
3 lines if you use more dense coding style
oh look this is the same as the "possible implementation" on cppreference
 
@Mysticial Sorry for the delay--was just talking to a coworker who's been to both. He said there's a difference in how the two count attendance, so while Comiket is larger, he estimated the difference is probably on the order 20-25% or so.
 
@JerryCoffin Oh. So the half million at Comiket isn't really half a million?
At least it won't be as bad the Cubs World Series rally in Chicago. That had 5 million people. I had to fight my way to work and I was one of only few people not covered in blue.
 
@Mysticial More the reverse. The 130,000 at Comic-Con is probably closer to 400,000 or so. Basically, at Comic-Con, they hold a drawing for the people who get "official" paid tickets, but that's only a third (or so) of the people who show up. It doesn't count press tickets, vendors, free children's passes, or simply the hoards who don't have passes to get into the convention itself but hang out nearby wearing Cosplay outfits and such.
 
oh ic
 
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