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Q: 𝓢𝓱𝓸𝓾𝓵𝓭 𝔽𝕠𝕣𝕞𝕒𝕥𝕥𝕚𝕟𝕘 𝘐𝘯 𝓣𝓲𝓽𝓵𝓮𝓼 𝕭𝖊 🅿🅴🆁🅼🅸🆃🆃🅴🅳?

j08691I came across a question where the user formatted the title with text in bold and italics. I thought that question titles were stripped of all formatting and was surprised to see this. I'm assuming that this is just a Unicode trick, but should it be allowed? It seems like something that has the p...

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That's a beauty
@Ell That's fair, because avoiding state and mutability (or even mutable state!) makes functions much more independent of context. This is also the mechanism that tends to make things so darn abstract. It's a double edged sword
 
@sehe WOW didnt know that that was possible. Even formatted the title on my taskbar.
 
~Unicode~
 
1:12 AM
@wilx I am amazed that there is no law governing sky writing and what can be written
I hope they cope a fine of 20 million
seriously, drones get regulated and planes aren't?
 
@jaggedSpire warning: dangerously cute /cc @Morwenn @Ven
 
alskjdfhkds
E_CUTE_OVERFLOW
 
 
2 hours later…
3:28 AM
 
^_^
 
3:44 AM
should I go get ice cream y/n
who am I kidding
bbiab
 
4:24 AM
I love this ice cream
 
Those are always a treat
 
5:06 AM
Gotta love when Visual Studio just randomly decides to stop working the way it did 10 mins ago, even though you didn't touch anything.
 
oh that's always fantastic
 
I'm porting two applications from another language into C++, and I've used a Shared Items project to shove common source code for the two apps into one location. It was working fine yesterday and now it's broken and I want to cry.
It works so nicely when they show it off. And it worked that nicely until it didn't.
 
5:53 AM
Hey, if I had 4 threads running (which I triggered from my main), is there a decent way to have main wait until any one of the threads finishes?
 
Just any?
 
yeah
That's where i'm sort of stuck. If I just kicked off one thread, that's easy, there's futures and promises and whatnot
But if I kick off 4 threads, and then want to know when any are done.. gets a bit more confusing
 
Try std::condition_variable in conjunction with an std::mutex.
 
@MintyAnt There is no way around waiting for threads to finish. An std::thread that hasn't been explicitly joined() will throw an error.
 
yeah
thanks, i'm thinking of some different approaches
I didn't realize how much was offered in terms of threading from std
 
6:04 AM
You can do work in between creating a thread and joining it though, right? I'm not really familiar with multithreading so the water is a little murky for me.
 
welcome to 2011
 
^ basically
 
@jhmckimm yes, that is the point
 
I'm struggling to see the issue then. xD
 
I'm trying to run through a list of processes as fast as possible, by using threads. The list can be 1k big, so I can't just ram that many into threads, I need to find some number (number of proccesors?), then somehow manage that.
 
6:06 AM
@Telkitty I hope you are being sarcastic.
 
I think I have a solution in mind, so i'm not looking for an answer
but was just poking around different options
 
Try the Right Way™
 
:)
 
hah! Awesome
also, speaking of welcome to <year>, writing c++ on linux in Clion (and not qt) is refreshing
 
nwp
6:15 AM
how so?
 
Previously my experience was just riddled with small issues, felt slow, especially in comparison to working on a mac with vs
But I think now both Linux and the tools available are getting better
I'm not sure if qt did auto imports, it's a nice-to-have with clion
 
AMD Zen is coming out in late February/early March. Pi day is March 14th. I'm not gonna have the time to get a properly tuned Zen binary in time for Pi day.And I'll be packing up at around that time since I'm moving... Fuck.
 
Where are you moving?
 
@Mikhail Any bets that Zen will be faster with 128-bit AVX or 256-bit AVX? (for something generic like an FFT)
@Mikhail To the other side of the loop.
 
Well AVX-256 takes less instructions :-)
 
6:20 AM
It's one thing to tune micro-parameters like unroll counts. But it's another to have to switch SIMD widths.
@Mikhail But data-shuffling is more expensive.
 
nwp
@MintyAnt auto import means "add the proper #include to the top to make my code compile"?
 
Anything that needs to do vector transposes will probably be better off with 128-bit AVX.
 
@nwp yeah, seems to work for std and interal files to project
 
Holy crap everything that was just said went over my head.
I really am a PHP scrub.
You guys are talking instruction sets, right?
 
@Mikhail I'm still putting my money on 256-bit AVX being faster because of the instruction count. But the optimal pattern will probably be a hybrid approach where the computational passes use 256-bit AVX. But the micro-transpose passes will be 128-bit AVX.
For stuff that mixes compute and transpose, that's gonna be tough call.
 
6:24 AM
Exactly, now if you were cool it would be implemented recursively so that the base case switches to AVX-128 :-)
 
I'm also giving an 80% chance that I'll have to roll-back to my older FFT for Zen.
 
As of late I've been optimizing a lot of GPU code. Its a wacky world, but one of the immediate things that comes to mind is explicit cache management. Is there a way to get a pointer to the L caches on x86, would be cool if we could...
 
The new FFT (not really that new since it's been around for 3 years now) uses an approach that introduces additional FP ops in order to fuse into FMA. The end result is fewer instructions. But the # of total ops (assuming 2 for each FMA) is higher.
That's gonna be efficient on Zen.
 
there are bugs hidden in some old code that's not shown until recently when I tested it under another environment
 
@Mikhail No. But if you simply do all your work on a small contiguous block of memory, it's probably gonna stay in cache.
 
6:29 AM
@MintyAnt There's a hardware_concurrency to advise you about the number of available cores. Based on that, you can create some threads. You probably want to break your overall job into a fairly large number of tasks (e.g., a few hundred). Then have it create a thread-safe queue and push the tasks into the queue. Then the threads just wait for a task in the queue, process it, push the output somewhere, and repeat. main can then just wait for all the threads to finish.
 
use cilk or zmq
 
@Mikhail That works too, of course (and so do quite a few others, obviously).
 
writing code is for chumps :-)
 
s/u/i/
a term of highly trained chimps has been dispatched
 
@Telkitty s/term/team/
 
6:42 AM
~_~
chimps can't spell ...
 
@Telkitty in that case the claim of "highly trained" is obviously a lie.
 
a highly trained mathematician might not able to manually fix a car
 
spelling is important for dynamically typed languages
 
that's because we have dumb compilers
in a team of chimps and compilers, one of them supposed to be smart
 
India's Bar Council reports that 45% of lawyers in India may be fake. Could this be a mis-print? Could it be 4.5%? https://t.co/5M7wyrubM6
Apparently, it is not a misprint.
 
7:03 AM
@wilx Now the big question: are the real ones any better than the fakes?
 
And on a different note, Princess Mononoke is not for small kids. I just reviewed first few minutes and it is quite gory.
@JerryCoffin Haha.
 
I can't run threads, I get the error "Enable multithreading to use std::thread:"
I added "-std=c++0x" and "-pthread" to my g++ line, am I missing something
 
@wilx If you think that's funny, I assume it's because you think I should really be asking if the real ones are even as good as the fakes?
 
I rammed these options at the end and it worked, so ima go with it
" -Wl,--no-as-needed -pthread -std=c++0x -lrt "
 
famous last words
 
7:10 AM
Nothing can go wrong~~~~
 
You also forgot to funroll the loops
 
really?
 
@Mikhail I prefer to rickroll the loops. Less fun, but they deserve it.
 
nevergonna turn around and, deconstruct you
 
@MintyAnt Heh.
 
7:15 AM
@wilx Japan's a little bit weird in how gore and sexuality are less taboo than the western world. But it doesn't seem to be a ghibli film for children, just from the artistic style on the cover ^^;
 
7:45 AM
Night all, thanks for the help earlier
 
 
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Ven
8:55 AM
Yo
 
9:08 AM
Wow, that's a very well written spam message I just got. It's a guy claiming to be from a bank and that family member has died and I'm the only surviving relative. Just a few slight flaws with his scam. He fails to say from what bank he is from, he fails to call be by my name, but most importantly, has presumed I have no living relatives
 
@thecoshman kinda fails when both your parents are still alive (depending on the definition of being related and how marriage plays into that)
 
and that I have siblings
oh wait, it just asys any surviving member, but afaik, law tends to favour closest living relative
 
9:41 AM
@Mysticial are you getting a Zen if i may ask?
 
From the makers of "tabs or spaces"
FYI
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Q: Tabs versus spaces—what is the proper indentation character for everything, in every situation, ever?

kiamlalunoThe coding standards for the code hosted in drupal.org suggest to use two spaces to indent the code; other sites suggest to use tabs to indent the code. What is the proper indentation character for everything, and in every situation? Please explain the answer you give.

"spaces" is the accepted answer but received half the votes of "tabs"
 
Ven
sigh
 
@Mikhail Majority can be wrong. Just saying!
 
That reply was bait, and I won't take it
 
user1804599
10:18 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes "No."
 
that ^
> A chaplain to the Queen has resigned after publicly criticising a church that allowed a Koran reading during its service as part of an interfaith project.
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what the actual fuck?
 
> During a service at St Mary's Episcopal in Glasgow earlier this month to mark the feast of the Epiphany, there was a reading of a passage from the Koran which said that Jesus was not the son of God.
> “To have a reading from the Koran at that point was a fairly serious error for the Christian worshipping community, but to choose the reading they chose doubled the error. Of all passages you might have read likely to cause offence, that was one of the most problematic.”
I do not wonder people got upset.
 
@wilx WTF. "Let's promote interfaith relationships by committing blasphemy during one of the faith's ceremonies".
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How did anyone ever think this was going to work?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Multiculcuralist-cultists did.
 
10:34 AM
@fredoverflow if I want a class to be able to modify a set, but it to be just publicly read-only...
private val foo = mutableSetOf<String>()
val foo : Set<String>
get() = foo_
is that the best solution?
 
in TeX, LaTeX and Friends on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 41 mins ago, by Paulo Cereda
(1)	A sheet of paper is an ink-lined plane.
(2)	An inclined plane is a slope up.
(3)	A slow pup is a lazy dog.

QED: A sheet of paper is a lazy dog.
		-- Willard Espy, "An Almanac of Words at Play"

[paulo@cambridge ~] $
 
Ven
aren't going the wrong way around?
 
11:00 AM
@fredoverflow ahh, I found the 'right' solution to what I want
lateinit var foo: Set<String>
private set
 
11:24 AM
X/Y problem is when you ask questions about the chosen solution path instead of about the goal. In this case, the question seems to be X/.../Z since you ask about the solution path you think you wish to avoid, but don't specify the goal. — sehe 10 secs ago
@Abyx He resigned. There's that.
It could be worse. If, e.g. the "church" (which is bizarre in Anglican system anyways) would have condoned it)
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think in most current-day Dutch churches suggesting that Jesus may not be Son Of God is not blasphemy.
They understand articles of faith. I've heard preachers describe God as a woman, not-a-person etc. Free thinking and theology are not enemies in our landscape.
And these are popular preachers. They run the churches that grow (partly by mergers, TBF, but none-the-less)
 
@sehe There is also y/x answering ime.
The question can be about due to curiosity or whatever
 
So? That still doesn't legitimize omitting the goal
 
I did not read the question, my remark was in general.
 
The goal can be "satisfy my curiosity".
> Pure Data (aka Pd) is an open source visual programming language that can run on anything from personal computers and Raspberry Pis to smartphones (via libpd, pddroidparty, and Rjdj). Pd enables musicians, visual artists, performers, researchers, and developers to create software graphically without writing lines of code
Uh oh
 
Have seen attempts at shoving y down asker's throat
 
11:32 AM
The tutorial seems to be directly from the early '90s pd-tutorial.com/english/ch02.html#chapt2.1.1
 
Hey
so I'm an engineer now
uni's over
 
congrats
 
@BartekBanachewicz You bombed it?
 
@sehe I passed the final exam :)
 
11:34 AM
How on earth :) Gratz
 
Are you still a Haskell zealot?
 
@JohanLarsson I dunno, I haven't written anything in Haskell in quite some time. In fact, I haven't written anything in anything in quite some time
 
Maybe that is a no, if so 2/2. Future looks bright.
 
@sehe Well, the semester ended a few weeks ago and today was exam day. Which was fairly easy, soooo.... I'm done!
@JohanLarsson Future of Haskell?
Oh I'm still interested in the language, don't get me wrong.
 
future<bartek>
 
11:36 AM
hah
 
it's just I'm still settling out my priorities for 2017. I've achieved most of my goals actually - got the BEng, got the A licence, my bike is being prepped as we speak...
 
RIP
 
but I think I'm gonna focus on hardware projects this year
 
Interesting choice of words. "Prepped"
 
11:38 AM
> preparation:
dealer prep on the car included.
@sehe seems in common use in that context
 
Maybe the remark was about that you did not sha it?
Or whatever name a good hash/crypto has
 
I just had a though: Source code contains white space hence it is innately racist. Discuss.
 
nwp
@wilx Python is more racist than C++, because there the white space actually matters.
 
@nwp Hah! I have to agree with that observation.
On the other hand, Perl is less racist because you can virtually do without any white space.
 
12:02 PM
what if I have black background
 
ScY
lol
 
user1804599
@sehe Doomsday prepper.
 
12:18 PM
@wilx Black background! BOOM
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's just white space with internalized racism. /cc @BartekBanachewicz
 
user1804599
 
@rightfold It seems so.
 
user1804599
I hope they get lifetime solitary confinement.
 
user1804599
Or lifetime torture.
 
 
@rightfold More like a decade or two in a room with a TV and PlayStation...
 
user1804599
@sehe lol new lmgtfy ui
 
:)
@wilx white space is contextual. It's actually neutral. Let's just call it space.
 
nwp
12:44 PM
Someone mistyped the name of their throwaway account.
 
? You think it needs to be lavalamp?
 
nwp
since it is a throwaway account may as well make it ObserverBoardInterfaceInserter ... wait, that's where Java comes in
 
user1804599
Lava lamps are rad.
 
Some are even red.
 
1:00 PM
Little rad riding hood
 
@rightfold Just don't heat them yourself lol
(they explode)
 
1:19 PM
WTF am I doing wrong in here?
#if defined (LOG4CPLUS_HAVE_CXX11_SUPPORT) \
    || __has_feature(cxx_noexcept) \
    || (defined (_MSC_VER) && _MSC_VER-0 >= 1900)
#define STR2(x) #x
#define STR1(x) STR2(x)
__pragma(message("_MSC_VER: " STR1(_MSC_VER)))
#  define LOG4CPLUS_NOEXCEPT_FALSE noexcept(false)
#else
#  define LOG4CPLUS_NOEXCEPT_FALSE /* empty */
#endif
 
"what am I doing wrong in here?" I'd say "writing C++"
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The above prints _MSC_VER: 1800 but it still seems to go through with the true branch of the if.
 
Ven
I didn't know you could RETURN QUERY ...; IF NOT FOUND...;
 
@wilx clearly one of the defined (LOG4CPLUS_HAVE_CXX11_SUPPORT) or __has_feature(cxx_noexcept) is true
 
@milleniumbug Fuck,... You are right.
It should be this instead:
#if defined (LOG4CPLUS_HAVE_CXX11_SUPPORT) \
    && (__has_feature(cxx_noexcept)                 \
        || (defined (_MSC_VER) && _MSC_VER-0 >= 1900))
 
Ell
1:35 PM
@BartekBanachewicz what like?
 
@Ell my wind turbine
 
@milleniumbug I have been staring at the condition for about an hour before this. :)
 
@wilx My condolences for supporting a library that has to support pre-11 nonsense.
 
user1804599
@Ven I did. :)
 
user1804599
Beware that currently functions don't act as coroutines though.
 
user1804599
1:45 PM
The entire result will be materialised before they return.
 
Ven
2:01 PM
Aw :(. Try.toEither appeared in Scala 2.12 ...
 
@Ell maybe some analog electronics as well. I've a long dream to make a voltage step-up circuit in practice
 
user1804599
@Ven lolscala
 
I also recently discovered those evil genius voltage steppers
 
user1804599
git gud
 
they are pretty cool
 
Ven
2:03 PM
vOv that's my job
 
user1804599
git gud job
 
user1804599
Why does my monitor make noise when I view this image? orig04.deviantart.net/6eda/f/2012/251/3/c/…
 
trap?
 
user1804599
At different zoom levels it makes different noises.
 
Ven
wat? :D
 
user1804599
This is amazing.
 
Ven
welcoming trump is amazing?
 
user1804599
It's satire.
 
Ven
kk
 
if you are the enemies of the states, trump will be amazing and will do an amazing job to help you with your goal
 
2:15 PM
> Most successful programming languages have an overall philosophy or set of guiding principles that organize their vocabulary and grammar—the set of possible instructions they make available to the programmer—into a logical whole. PHP doesn’t. Its creator, Rasmus Lerdorf, freely admits he just cobbled it together. “I don’t know how to stop it,” he said in a 2003 interview. “I have absolutely no idea how to write a programming language—I just kept adding the next logical step along the way.”
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god
 
"next logical step"
 
@BartekBanachewicz “I don’t know how to stop it,” Am I the only one who read that in super desperate voice?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah he prolly kept telling himself that
 
@wilx Famous last words.
 
nwp
2:28 PM
a very hip hop indeed
 
I can't parse "Australia police probe firearms death"
 
nwp
> Have you tried clang/llvm?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes seems like five unrelated nouns in a row.
or someone forgot to make it "polices" or "probes"
still doesn't make much sense
 
@nwp Did you know that the only language with official status in the UK is Welsh?
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@R.MartinhoFernandes sounds like a badly punctuated list of things to be mildly scared about
 
2:43 PM
@thecoshman hehe
 
nwp
@milleniumbug I learned police similarly to USA is a plural word, so it should be correct.
"The police are confused" is supposedly correct.
@R.MartinhoFernandes No, seems like a weird historic artifact.
 
"polices" would be a form of the verb "to police". (Or the plural of "police")
 
@thecoshman remember that google lab thing where you put words in it and I'd continue the theme?
 
@slaphappy not at all
@R.MartinhoFernandes polices polices police
 
Anyone remembers? :'(
It's a google sheets feature now
 
2:45 PM
because English
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks!
 
It was cool
Actually, the article even opens with "Australian police are investigating (...)"
 
nwp
I wonder if things like these are elaborate distraction tactics
if trump abolished the constitution the news about it would probably drown in trivia
 
3:01 PM
don't know why that news gets so much attention when Melbourne car deaths: Four killed as driver strikes pedestrians gets so little
 
3:42 PM
ugh Dunlop tyres that I wanted to get aren't available in th size I need
damn
 
Ven
@Telkitty that's not Nice
 
nwp
that one works
 
Hi, guys. Does anybody know an online compiler with FLT_EVAL_METHOD == 2 (float.h)? Already tested: ideone, rextester, melpon ... with no luck.
 
4:06 PM
if ("Your Info.txt")
        true;
    { delete ("Your Info.txt"); }
/cc @Mysticial, feast your eyes
 
> delete ("Your Info.txt");
omg that's awesome
 
Ven
It's like he's trying to write Perl code.
 
There's bad code, then there's this.
 
this guy just googled c++ delete
 
4:28 PM
ooookay gonna get pilot road 4
too bad the trail versions are only available for 19" front rim
 
@alexolut Find one that uses GCC that compiles for x86 (say, GCC with -m32).
Quick googling would've told you so. :P
(Or ask @StackedCrooked to install a 32-bit multilib for GCC on coliru.)
 
@iksemyonov Maybe. Depends on the price/performance for compiling code. If $500 does beat my current 5960X, I'll take it. Either I use it as server for builds and tests. Or I use it as my main machine. If I go with the latter, I free up my 5960X for other purposes.
 
@sehe That seems like a pretty big pile of nonsense to me. How can one claim Christianity while denying one of the foundations of the whole religion?
 
@Borgleader Oh geez. I thought that example you put up before the link was something other than C++.
 
4:52 PM
So, I am going to do the deed.
I am going to try the Codility test for the job application. I am prepared to fail.
OMG, similar case as I have pasted earlier:
 
user1804599
5:11 PM
Yay, TPP is dead
 
user1804599
Thanks Trump
 
@rightfold Is it?
 
nwp
@slaphappy *didn't
 
so did anyone here test Jenkins Blue Ocean?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nope. Is it that Jenkins automation thing related?
 
5:18 PM
@wilx yes
 
@nwp I'm not saying he followed any link though
 
also apparently japan currently has more electric charging stations than gas stations
 
@rightfold The pokémon stream? :'(
 
@CheukKinSing this week’s
 
@wilx Probably. But that was probably true regardless of Trump. Trump signed an executive order to withdraw from the negotiating process--but negotiations were complete over a year ago, so withdrawing doesn't change much. The US congress received the negotiated deal almost a year ago (Feb. 2016), and hasn't ratified it.
 
5:32 PM
@JerryCoffin Did it ever get to a vote? Or was the house majority large enough that they didn't even try?
 
user1804599
@slaphappy the trade agreement
 
user1804599
@wilx Dolan nuked it today
 
user1804599
I.e. US no longer participates. I.e. it's dead.
 
lol, if true, that's actually a pretty good thing
 
Also, is the 2020 electoral distribution gonna use the 2020 census?
 
5:35 PM
@Mysticial I don't think it ever got to a vote--but I'm not at all sure that's particularly related to party politics. Keep in mind that essentially the only thing Hillary and Trump agreed on during the campaign was they were both against the TPP.
 
Because it's not good style to never deliver on the promise, I refer to this recent example for a single- and multi-threaded event-based parser design: stackoverflow.com/questions/41748596/…sehe 24 secs ago
Lel. Only 6 years later, but who's counting :)
 
@JerryCoffin I just did a quick google, and it looks like TPP isn't as partisan as I originally assumed.
 
@Mysticial Yeah--Obama pushing it pissed off a lot of Democrats. Quite a bit of the union/labor camp viewed it extremely negatively.
 
How can you claim faith while denying others the same?
"Let God be the judge" is avery Christian value.
 
nwp
Not sure if I'm reading this right, but is pokemon go saving the google password in plain text?
 
5:45 PM
@nwp How (& why) would it even obtain the "google password"
 
nwp
@sehe you type it in, no?
 
No.
 
nwp
guess it's not so bad then
 
Also, no that doesn't apply there. Google does federated auth (or what's it called) and supplies login tokens which can be proven authentic (and revoked in case they get compromised).
Twitter, Facebook, OpenID etc. all have similar approaches.
 
nwp
So all that happened here is that they didn't delete the invalid token to make the user get a new one?
 
5:49 PM
Yeah. Probably just handling the changed authentication badly. Like if you change your google auth and logout extant tokens ("apps" I think they're called) a thing like Stack Overflow will also fail to logon. In that case, the app (SO in this case) should obviously redirect to the logon page, rather than displaying an unfriendly error and making you figure it out
 
@JerryCoffin Whenever I think of something that isn't 100% partisan, I think of Brexit. Such things usually don't exist in the US. lol
 
> usually
 
Ven
@Morwenn stop replying tbh
.oO( He's so pedantic it's annoying - He'd make one hell of a lounger )
 
6:26 PM
May I cro[u|w]dsource finding the Rabbit joke in youtube.com/watch?v=JfmTagWcqoE It is Herb Sutters Leak Free c++. It is a nice talk.
 
nwp
struct Button{
    std::unique_ptr<bool> pressed = std::make_unique<bool>(false);
    //other stuff
};
I'm doing it wrong.
 
@nwp Looks very modern.
 
nwp
modern garbage
 
@nwp very good, you can transfer ownership of a bool to another button
 
nwp
the problem is that a callback has to set the bool while the Button moves around
guess there is a reason why Qt just news everything all the time
 
6:37 PM
@sehe I'm not saying they don't have faith. I just don't see how what they have faith in can be reasonably described as Christianity. Some sort of Theism related to Christianity perhaps. But if Christianity doesn't have Jesus (as God's Son) dying and being resurrected, it's not Christianity. It may be something useful or good, it's just not Christianity.
 
@caps That's a very narrow view.
there's no organization on this planet that owns or defines Christianity, let alone individual
 
nwp
if only there was a higher being that could clarify these things...
 
well now
if the higher being ever actually helped anyone in any way, that might resolve matters
 
nwp
in case of catholicism the pope can fill that role, but evangelists are out of luck
 
6:53 PM
p.sure protestants are Christians too
in fact there are so many branches of Christianity I've stopped trying to keep track of them or pay attention to them in any way
 
nwp
I think I meant protestants when I said evangelists
 
While accidentally browsing reddit I've found there are a lot of different kinds of atheists. I'm of the don't know, try not to care variety. But people are people and quite different.
 
nwp
@CaptainGiraffe I think thats called agnostic.
 
Xeo
@Mysticial @StackedCrooked I hope you're also watching Little Witch Academia. Trigger saving anime, once again.
 
@nwp I have to disagree. The "I don't know" comes from my Mother and Father not practising anything. The "Try not to care" is from I try to treat every person with the merits they bring to the table, not the flag or the hat they wear.
@nwp i.e. I'm not Teapot agnostic.
 
nwp
7:09 PM
@CaptainGiraffe In other words it doesn't matter if there are gods around, people are what matters. Sounds like "Apathetic agnosticism" to me.
 
@nwp "If there are gods around" Is a very silly statement to me. Lets not continue a spiritual/religious argument here.
 
7:24 PM
The only agnostics that matter here are type-agnostic and language-agnostic.
 
user1804599
My love for your mom is posture-agnostic.
 
@Puppy What, you payed attention to them at some point?
Waste of time
@Puppy By your logic there is no organization or individual that defines any slightly unequivocal term, and thus its unclear what it actually describes.
 
that sounds just about right, yes
 
I guess I agree with Carl Popper, who said that one should always avoid discussing the definition of words
But rather discuss ideas
The phrase "They're not true Christians" is probably like a no true scotsman argument, anyway
I think it's more accurate to say that they don't interpret the New Testament literally/orthodoxly, since it clearly describes the death and resurrection of Christ.
Then again, if you interpret the Bible symbolically, it does not make for a proper religion, because its foundation is just bullshit
 
7:41 PM
@CaptainGiraffe Why not? It's not like the Lounge does anything important when not hosting a religious flamewar
 
Only on-topic religious wars are allowed, such as religious wars about the One True programming language, text editor, etc.
 
lol only on-topic allowed
 
@Brandin Thumbs up!
 
@Columbo If nobody agrees on the definition of words used during a discussion, you can't possibly start discussing ideas.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Not all words. Specifically ones that different groups of people associate with different things. E.g. you'd assuredly agree with my definitions of all words used in the previous sentence, but you may not agree with me about what feminism is (about which we had a discussion around here last term).
 
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7:46 PM
I need a new avatar.
 
@Puppy Doesn't @BartekBanachewicz sometimes spread wisdom?
 
Not really. What is supposed to be the meaning of Christianity if you take the centrality of Christ out of it?
 
@caps What's the meaning of bemused if you take the muse out of it?
What kind of argument is that?
 
@Columbo Oh brother.
 
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