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6:00 PM
so strictly, other treaties could have ISDS under less unbelievably stupid terms, although I'm not aware of any
 
Ell
@rightfold some :3
lots left
 
Ven
@rightfold i did everything except gk graph
What's that?
 
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Ven
Interesting!
 
Already 1000€ and still 46 days left. Completing the crodfunding shouldn't be a problem.
 
Ell
6:11 PM
nice
 
Sounds a bit like Pink Floyd.
 
@Puppy CETA explicitly sets out terms that prevent suing over profit loss from regulation.
 
hm
in that case what is the ISDS even for?
 
The text explicitly addresses that one point.
@Puppy breach of due process and stuff like that.
There's a (short) list in the treaty.
 
aren't national courts able to solve that problem/
 
6:16 PM
@Puppy not if the courts themselves fail to follow due process.
The list is closed (i.e. no clauses that add unbounded possibilities) AFAICS
I think focusing on ISDS as criticism of CETA is counterproductive because it seems reasonable in that.
It has other problems, though.
It lets Canada use a lower standard of privacy than the one in the EU, and it interacts badly with the EU Charter.
Canada has a mass surveillance program (no secret).
 
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Apparently this shouldn't compile.
 
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It's a compiler bug.
 
What's in s?
 
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Default constructed; empty string.
 
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6:28 PM
But I think you're not supposed to be able to append a uint to a string.
 
Empty after the append?
 
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Well, it segfaults, so I don't know.
 
@Puppy The whole point is to deal with things local courts can't or clearly won't. Most treaties (and this looks pretty normal in that regard) require that you either go through local courts first if at all possible, or show beyond any reasonable doubt that they can't or won't deal with the problem before you can go before the international tribunal. The only trade treaty I know of that doesn't follow that is NAFTA (one of the major criticisms of NAFTA).
 
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> the implict conversions are so complex that walter wrote a tool to generate the table
 
Which conversions?
 
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6:35 PM
D's
 
@rightfold great job fixing C++
 
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;p
 
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still better ;p
 
old and busted: intel tick/tock also old and busted: intel tick/tock/flump new hotness: intel tick/tock/flump/*lo… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/780475241130622976
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sounds like std::tuple's EXPLICIT constructors :p
 
6:39 PM
Looking at things, I'd guess that the argument arose from another point just later (§8.9/4):
For greater certainty, nothing in this Section shall be construed as preventing a Party from discontinuing the granting of a subsidy or requesting its reimbursement where such measure is necessary in order to comply with international obligations between the Parties or has been ordered by a competent court, administrative tribunal or other competent authority, or requiring that Party to compensate the investor therefor.
So, it doesn't give you any new right to sue, but because it doesn't explicitly take away any existing right to sue, activists can take that as: "everybody now has a right to frivolous lawsuits" (with an implication that this is new).
 
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6:52 PM
"Embrace, extend, and extinguish", also known as "Embrace, extend, and exterminate", is a phrase that the U.S. Department of Justice found that was used internally by Microsoft to describe its strategy for entering product categories involving widely used standards, extending those standards with proprietary capabilities, and then using those differences to disadvantage its competitors. == Origin == The strategy and phrase "embrace and extend" were first described outside Microsoft in a 1996 New York Times article titled "Tomorrow, the World Wide Web! Microsoft, the PC King, Wants to Reign Over...
 
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literally Hitler
 
@rightfold Honestly it's why I avoid microsoft-developed 'standards'... I'm pretty close to rage-quitting windows because of automatic updates that remove configurable features I use
 
> Why don't epilepsy warnings flash on and off quickly so people know it's important?
 
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Gah, I'm gonna ask a debug-my-code question on Stack Overflow. :/
 
7:04 PM
@sehe Very relaxing
 
I admit I like Ferrier better (youtube.com/watch?v=Xljmp4jvIG4) but choose this because the recording quality is more immersive
 
user1804599
I should dump all my ideas on my wiki.
 
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Maybe that will help me clear up my mind.
 
user1804599
I'd have to express it in clear English.
 
Does everybody have a wiki nowadays?
 
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7:15 PM
No, very few people do.
 
I suppose it's better than a wikia. Those load so slowly and rarely have complete information
Which wiki is it? I'm curious about your project :)
 
user1804599
Wikia is utter shit.
 
user1804599
@Aaron3468 https://foldr.nl/
 
@rightfold mind maps
@rightfold Tons of people use Zim as a personal "wiki" /cc @Aaron3468
 
Very nice. I'm just reading your wikiblog post about unstructured data. It's the problem I see a lot of beginners making
 
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7:22 PM
@sehe does it have categories and transclusion?
 
user1804599
These are killer features
 
cats, yes. Transclusion?
 
Dynamic excerpts, basically
 
user1804599
In MW you can write {{Foo}} and it'll render Template:Foo there
 
Just looked it up. I think it does actually. And I BLOODY hate transclusion, personally
@rightfold Only nice if the template can be parameterized, IYAM
But then it's more suitable for docs and not for mind mapping
 
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7:24 PM
You can also do this with special pages to list pages with certain title prefix
 
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@sehe oh yes, Turing-complete, even
 
user1804599
If you enable Lua ;pp
 
user1804599
But yeah MW supports parameters, and some conditionals and string functions
 
I'd venture that this is all nice if you aim it as a publishing medium. Not for personal organization
 
user1804599
Absolute killer feature.
 
7:25 PM
imo, typesetting/markup languages are not complete without access to a proper programming language preprocessor
*stares angrily at LaTeX counter/macro voodoo
 
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@sehe I like it public :)
 
user1804599
Easy to share
 
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Easy to navigate
 
I was pointing at the distinction in audience. You can make personal things public
 
user1804599
Mind mapping is difficult with code snippets if you mean the graph kind of thing
 
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7:29 PM
Hyperlinks work well
 
btw, any tips for studying stats when the professor doesn't include practice problems and you need practice?
 
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Lol OpenSSL
 
user1804599
Get off C software as quickly as you can. Nobody does it right. https://twitter.com/FiloSottile/status/780363089510293504
 
@rightfold same difference. Representation diff only, really
 
7:36 PM
Thanks @rightfold. I'm basically taking the titles of important sections and looking them up separately because he uses an entirely different set of variables and interpretations that nobody else seems to use >.>
 
user1804599
@sehe difference between?
 
hyperlinked pages or the graph representation; you can visualize both the same way
 
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Yes
 
Yeah, I do find that hyperlinks are more natural, just because you make connections in an ad-hoc manner as you notice them. Mind-maps kind of imply that you already know the general structure
 
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Programmable Hyperlinked Pasta
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7:39 PM
> 1995 - At a neighborhood Italian restaurant Rasmus Lerdorf realizes that his plate of spaghetti is an excellent model for understanding the World Wide Web and that web applications should mimic their medium. On the back of his napkin he designs Programmable Hyperlinked Pasta (PHP). PHP documentation remains on that napkin to this day.
 
@Aaron3468 not at all. Automatic layout is a thing. Also, the fact that it /visually/ shows you how things relate is THE selling benefit of mindmaps. (If not, the only). Because you realize things are related, and how, you can quickly reorganize the thinking on the fly (good mapping tools make it very easy to prune/graft/reshape)
 
Ven
@Morwenn just finished Thy.Light's
was good
 
@sehe That's true. My preferred method of mind-mapping is writing a short excerpt/description, then connecting parts of it to relevant other parts. In that sense it's most efficient for me to use hyperlinks to dynamically generate a mindmap.
 
I'm not good at mapping mind, but I know wikis always make me feel lost after traversing 2 links
 
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I want to learn about formal methods.
 
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7:52 PM
> In computer science, specifically software engineering and hardware engineering, formal methods are a particular kind of mathematically based techniques for the specification, development and verification of software and hardware systems.
 
8:03 PM
@rightfold Is that yours? I giggled a little.
 
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no
 
user1804599
true classic
 
@rightfold funny stuff! thanks.
 
@Ven And no suicide yet? D:
I'm glad you liked it :p
 
8:05 PM
All day fire-drills on campus \o/
@sehe Just follow the first link until you hit philosophy :D
Only about 10 steps to get from Elena Suslova to philosophy
 
8:22 PM
I got an email from a recruiter
they told me some guys would do unspeakable things to have me on their team
might e-mail back and say that having them be unspeakable is impractical when communicating textually ;p
 
@Puppy Would they pay you unspeakable amounts of money? :P
 
that's exactly what I was thinking
 
Which guys, which unspeakable things, which company, and what cut are they (the recruiters) asking for?
 
And why you especially? :o
 
dunno
 
8:25 PM
Is it even related to computers? :p
 
yeah
 
Most of the recruiters I've bumped into are sleazy. I'm sure there are better ones if you have a good reputation and companies start headhunting you, but I really don't trust any random stranger who makes vague promises
The few times I did trust them, I ended up in someone's basement for Amway meetings ^^;
 
well I gotta say that "unspeakable" is new and certainly got my attention
 
Maybe they want you to write software that deals with signs language.
 
I forgot my computer so now I'm on my phone chatting with all of you.
I wondered why my backpack felt so light...
 
8:28 PM
@Aaron3468 10's pretty poor.
elena -> Russia -> Russian Philosophy -> Marxism -> philosophy
 
@Puppy lol, look at you gaming the system :)
 
gaming it how?
I clicked four links to get from Elena to philosophy
 
The original algorithm I'd found was simply to click the first non-parenthesized link in the article text, and you optimized it (very well I might add)
 
oh, you were only supposed to click the first link?
 
Nah, that's just how the idea is postulated, the property in question being that a path to philosophy can be found from any wikipedia article.
 
8:39 PM
OCaml is stupid.
 
user1804599
You are stupid.
 
Records with the same field names collide with one another.
 
user1804599
Use modules.
 
Anyone knows this?
 
Types with overlapping types overwrite one another.
 
8:40 PM
I know how to downvote, does that count?
 
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module Person = struct
  type t = {name : string}
end
module Dog = struct
  type t = {name : string}
end
let greet_person p = "Hello, " ^ Person.(p.name) ^ "!"
let greet_dog p = "Woof, " ^ Dog.(p.name) ^ "!"
 
@ThePhD Global state is sad :(
 
@Puppy So I can't even ask about this?
 
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Puppy is just being a bitch (look at his avatar)
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if I wanted to answer random SO questions, I'd view stack overflow.
 
8:42 PM
Despite it being in the installation folder, and I have to link binary files from another IDE to the files inside the two folders, I have no idea of the differences.
 
1 message moved to bin
 
@tom_mai78101 Examine two files in the directories with the same name using a hexadecimal viewer. Look for any differences. If none are found, there is no difference. It's probably just a way to support multiple naming conventions when hyperlinks are not always supported by the OS.
 
user1804599
My interpreter always crashes! :D
 
Alternatively, if you're a bit more skilled, run an automated comparison of the files
 
@rightfold Not usually a fan of that word but that is a pretty good pun.
 
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8:46 PM
Hmm, I have a good idea.
 
user1804599
I think I can use dependent types to prevent bytecode instructions from jumping to outside the bytecode.
 
user1804599
That way I don't need runtime checks. :)
 
@tom_mai78101 *symbolic links, not hyperlinks. Earlier conversation still on my mind
 
@rightfold I get that, but why isn't it the default?
 
Fun fact: if you open a file browse dialog on Windows 7 and select a file from an external hard drive, you can't eject that hard drive safely without rebooting.
 
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8:47 PM
The default of what?
 
Like, the default way to handle records / types?
I wonder if Ocsml had Vulcan and OpenGL function calls.
 
user1804599
Modules and types are orthogonal.
 
>,> This professor has no idea how to organize his notes. sehe, can you give him a lesson on mind maps?
@rightfold That's a strange and interesting way to organize code. So scoping and typing are entirely separate of eachother?
 
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It is typical to have one module per type.
 
In case you missed it, vegans in France get branded with hot iron for #animalrights. https://t.co/3OrHBwLhfi
^ did you discuss it already?
 
9:01 PM
@Abyx OMFG, some people are seriously retarded.
 
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XD
 
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like those fools crucifying themselves for jesus
 
@rightfold Yup.
 
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the best thing is that this won't change anything wrt animal rights
 
user1804599
it'll just make animal bullies laugh their eyes out
 
9:02 PM
but involvement
 
@Borgleader lol nice
 
user1804599
how about you brand the cruel people instead
 
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oh wait, these are vegans. everybody eating products that came from animals are cruel
 
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nevermind
 
pity they're just vegans, I don't have any hard feelings for them
 
9:04 PM
Still, you need some huge metaphorical balls to actually be willing to undergo that.
 
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nah, they're probably just high on crack
 
@Morwenn nah, it's a mob effect.
 
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they don't feel a thing
 
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these are hippies
 
I wouldn't bet.
 
9:05 PM
high on adrenaline or whatever it is
similar to religious fanatics
 
Whatever the reason, I'd never be willing to undergo such a thing.
 
@Morwenn of course
but you're not a vegan sjw ajw fanatic
 
@Morwenn I could understand a temporary tattoo or henna though
Or a bumper sticker I guess, but I find those obnoxious
 
@Aaron3468 There's a difference between getting a temporary tattoo and... getting literally burned?
 
@Aaron3468 they wanna feel the same as animals
 
9:09 PM
@Abyx Duh, of course I'm some kind of sjw.
I thought that was a given.
 
@Morwenn ok. but're not committed enough then
you're just pretending to be sjw
now go and jump off that bridge
 
Nah, I actually just share the fundamental ideas, not the way they do it.
 
I actually can't figure out how to do this, e.g. get a C function to be called by my generated code...
Guess I need to figure things out...
 
@Abyx And I generally just avoid arguing with lost causes like you, it's a waste of everyone's time D:
 
@Morwenn you're too sane to be sjw
 
9:13 PM
« Pragmatic » would be a more fitting word.
 
yep
 
Causes need a « silent » and « sane » crowd to just occasionally stand up for them just to avoid opponents telling that the only people supporting the said cause are insane.
 
@Morwenn I doubt that it works in practice
even if 1/n is sane it just means that (n-1)/n of supporters are insane and that 1/n could be wrong
 
Depends on what « working in practice », « supporters » and « insane » actually mean, but I don't given enough of a fuck to pursue the conversation, sorry ._____.
 
yeah, such conversation is pointless anyways
 
9:19 PM
inb4 nihilism jokes
 
nope
persuasion doesn't work. words mean nothing.
only mass repressions can help (mass executions by firing squads, as we say in Russia)
 
@Morwenn IMO, this is very little about large balls and mostly about small brains.
 
user image
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Fair enough.
 
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Q: Is it okay to comment plausible solutions?

Samy BencherifSometimes I can think of a solution off the bat, but I don't have time and/or resources to confirm this and develop a full and detailed answer. Is it okay to comment these plausible solutions to try to lead the OP or other responders to discovering the cause of the issue and developing a good a...

don't tell LRiO
 
9:22 PM
Okay, I did the amd64_x86 and x86_amd64 comparison. The amd64_x86 is much larger than the x86_amd64
 
@JerryCoffin I gotta say that I don't see how being branded with an iron is going to help anybody or anything.
 
@Puppy it helps them to feel more involved with the cause
 
@Puppy solidarity with animal pain, clearly
 
@Aaron3468 not talking about any particular wiki
 
like being a heroes and all
 
9:24 PM
I'm sure that goat is really going to appreciate it
 
@milleniumbug lrio.copl.ulaval.ca
 
@Puppy This is right up there with people watching the football game at home, thoroughly convinced that their watching and yelling during the game has a real effect on the outcome...
 
It's about drawing attention to themselves.
 
@Puppy doesn't matter. people do "good" deeds only to satisfy themselves
 
And there's nothing wrong with that.
 
9:25 PM
@Morwenn enough to actually go and make a meme using a slightly different pic than the one in your profile
 
Ven
@ThePhD i do remember telling you about that
 
@sehe The more you know.
 
@sehe It's an old one.
 
@Ven yeah, and it just smacked me upside the head
 
@Abyx just grabbing attention while being kinky - as they would do anyways (why go to a tattoo shop if you can go to the media)
 
Ven
9:27 PM
Can confirm @Morwenn doesn't look like that anymore (I last checked 3-4 months ago)
Remember kids, don't meme yourself!
 
@sehe The French sure love their shocking protests.
 
Ven
The french are retarded
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user1804599
Fascinating. :D
 
@EtiennedeMartel To be a truly shocking protest, shouldn't they be doing the burning electrically?
 
9:29 PM
@JerryCoffin Ba-dum-tish.
 
Ven
:P
 
@Ven I more or less do with the right wig and the right angle.
 
Ven
And not-the-glasses then
Can you even fit a wig on your current hair?
 
My hair didn't change much since that photo. I try to get the best of it, but there isn't that much of it.
I've always had glasses. I just don't wear them when I don't need to :p
Not sure how my hair be when I start having more of it though.
 
No way a reasonable Herb talk after a while!
 
9:35 PM
The one about memory safety and deferred_ptr?
 
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lol Herb
 
@ScarletAmaranth Reasonable herb talk.
3
 
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lol the naked cowboy made a Trump song
 
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in front of the trump tower
 
Can somebody explain the difference between pointers and reference variables? What is the biggest differences between the two?
 
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9:49 PM
1764
Q: What are the differences between a pointer variable and a reference variable in C++?

prakashI know references are syntactic sugar, so code is easier to read and write. But what are the differences? Summary from answers and links below: A pointer can be re-assigned any number of times while a reference can not be re-seated after binding. Pointers can point nowhere (NULL), whereas ...

 
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Wait, why are there so many upvoted shit answers to this post?
 
1764
Q: What are the differences between a pointer variable and a reference variable in C++?

prakashI know references are syntactic sugar, so code is easier to read and write. But what are the differences? Summary from answers and links below: A pointer can be re-assigned any number of times while a reference can not be re-seated after binding. Pointers can point nowhere (NULL), whereas ...

 
I have read that stackoverflow post but dont particularly understand the second point that the main guy makes.
 
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1764
Q: What are the differences between a pointer variable and a reference variable in C++?

prakashI know references are syntactic sugar, so code is easier to read and write. But what are the differences? Summary from answers and links below: A pointer can be re-assigned any number of times while a reference can not be re-seated after binding. Pointers can point nowhere (NULL), whereas ...

 
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@Ven can you help me find this question about pointers vs references and link it here? I can't find it.
 
9:51 PM
Is there like a picture that I can look at that would make this clear.
 
no
 
user1804599
debate y u 3 AM
 
Well there are pictures of how pointers look like in a stack. Surely there are pictures that have a pointer and a reference variable side by side.
That is how I was able to understand pointers and array of pointers to be honest.
 
user1804599
Pointers and references are the same conceptual thing, just with a different API.
 
Do you know when it better to use a pointer than a reference variable and vice versa?
 
9:55 PM
A reference is just a second name; it's space is only enough to store the name and which variable it refers to. A pointer is actually a memory location stored as a number; two pointer variables to the same place in memory have no relationship to eachother
 
user1804599
Use references when possible, pointers when necessary (e.g. vector elements, non-static data members, etc), is a good guideline.
 
user1804599
References have a not-null guarantee which is super rad.
 
Super rad indeed
 
^ references are clear and easier to work with. Pointers allow programming voodoo. Voodoo is usually a bad thing.
 
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very wizard
 
10:00 PM
So really reference variables behave like pointers but are very limited in the sense that you can't change where you reference them or do something like pointer arithmetic.
 
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You can do fewer things to them, so it's easier to reason about them.
 
@rightfold because it has pointarrrss
> very limited
 
@LuisAverhoff Kind of. References alias a variable. Pointers alias memory.
Using pointers is like using a ouija board; you're basically summoning code poltergeists.
4
 
@Aaron3468 This is practically begging for a star, hence I will not give it one, because I never give beggars anything.
3
 
10:05 PM
Ok but I'm guessing behind the scenes c++ implements references variable similar to how a pointer would function right?
 
@wilx so rude
 
@sehe ? :/
 
Follow the arrows. Sigh.
 
@sehe Rude is my middle name!
Václav R. Haisman!
 
Honorary R. The fad is getting old
 
10:08 PM
ok xD
 
@LuisAverhoff Compiler implementations are clever. These kind of insights/thougths rarely provide any benefit.
 
I don't mind rude people, as long as they're witty ;)
 
wudey
 
Are references variable only limited variables? You can't use them on array. For example. int arr[] = {1,2,3} int *p = arr; int &r =arr
*only limited to variables
 
@LuisAverhoff int& r = arr[1]; is perfectly fine.
 
10:23 PM
Patrick did it again:
 
I was scareder than death. Can I just do it one more time? Just one more time though. youtube.com/watch?v=CzL7G0jItzU&feature=youtu.be&t=42
 
I think I need to figure out how to load my own DLLs at runtime.
On both Linux and Windows platforms.
 
what's the best way to remove \n in my input in C
 
In a raw string literal or what, friend?
 
@ThePhD Boost.DLL
 
10:26 PM
@ThePhD I'm reading in a string, then tokeniznig it based on white space delimeter
and the last token has a \n I want to remove
 
How are you splitting it?
strtok ?
 
Yes sir
oh wait, I can remove the \n before tokenizing
but was wondering if there was a faster/efficient way
 
@qaispak Move to a Mac.
 
There are no new lines in mac? (I'm kinda dumb)
 
it's clear that you are kinda dumb
@Morwenn I was hoping that was Patrick Stewart.
 
10:30 PM
Truth to be told, I don't even know who Patrick Stewart is.
 
@Morwenn Star Wars Captain actor.
 
trek
 
Oh, that guy from Star Trek. No wonder I couldn't associate him to anything.
 
Oh right, Professor X in the XMen films
What was the newer show about him being an editorialist on a television network?
 
10:34 PM
My assignment is to make a terminal in C.
let that sink in.
 
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Haha C
 
user1804599
RIP
 
9
Q: Where to find example source code for a very simple linux shell

JtRThis would be great for educational purposes. Also a tutorial on subject would be nice.

 
@qaispak A physical terminal, or a terminal program?
 
10:41 PM
A musical terminal, duh.
In C
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes In parsing music, would (for example) an eighth note be a single terminal, or an non-terminal (expression) composed of a couple different terminals? Hmm..I think perhaps I'd lean toward the latter...
 
@JerryCoffin eight-note :- eight-note-terminal : eight-note-terminal note-augumentation
 
@JerryCoffin airplane terminal.
 
11:03 PM
@qaispak done
 
11:49 PM
/cc @ThePhD @jaggedSpire
 
Wao.
My tears.
 
@Borgleader :D
 
What did I do to deserve this, now?
 

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