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1:02 PM
everyone more interested in taking selfies than looking at the person behind the railing...
 
user1804599
 
@rightfold lol
 
user1804599
Made it recursive too. :)
 
1:18 PM
@Abyx I find I have to agree with you. :)
 
@wilx good
 
@Abyx What's happening here?
Oh, selfies.
Sigh.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes something mildly hillaryous
 
I didn't notice the phones at first.
 
see that nazi greeting btw?
 
1:28 PM
Where?
There's too many arms for me to bother playing Where's Waldo.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh nevermind. you were talking about nazi so much so I sought you'd see'em everywhere
 
Wait, you mean Hillary?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes reminded me of Black Mirror, The Waldo Moment episode. I wonder why nobody did it IRL yet
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah
 
I thought someone was in the audience sneaking one disguised as a selfie.
Single-arm selfies do kinda look like it if you remove the phone.
Well, "audience".
WTF is that event? Is this like a book signing, but for selfies?
 
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Q: Will adobe sue me if i make an UI like photoshop cc

lbbWill adobe sue me if i make an UI like photoshop cc? I couldnt find any information. To be specific i want to write a docking library like in photoshop. Thanks.

/cc @Mysticial
 
Ven
1:43 PM
@rightfold wtf? $1_append should be a single variable here Oo
 
user1804599
?tag hitler
 
user1804599
@Ven variable names can't start with digits I think
 
Ven
@rightfold ahk
SPECIALCASES!!!!!¡¡¡¡¡¡
 
user1804599
syntax highlighting sees it as 1_append though
 
Ven
yea
 
1:46 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes probably just a meeting with electorate
 
oooh, intersect is a nice function to have
 
@rightfold plz
 
user1804599
:3
 
user1804599
@thecoshman what does it do?
 
user1804599
inb4 set intersection
 
1:51 PM
what else
 
user1804599
line intersection
 
user1804599
bag intersection
 
@rightfold I have two sets, I want set of items in both initial sets
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
set intersection is indeed a nice thing to have then yes
 
1:51 PM
I've discovered today that ruby has both "%05d" % x and x.to_s.rjust(5, "0") and I've spent my day deciding which one to use
 
user1804599
the latter
 
I've been leaning to the latter so far
 
I did the same via a set.filter{ otherSet.contains(it) }.toSet() but then looked at the solution and set.intersect(otherSet)
@BartekBanachewicz both look like shit
 
Ven
@thecoshman wow Kotlin really looks like Groovy
 
@thecoshman dunno, I kinda like Ruby's call syntax
 
1:53 PM
Probably has a lot of similarities
 
the fact that you can skip parens for a function call is a nice thing
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, it's the short function names that require you know what they do to know what they do.
 
Ven
I'm on both sides of the fence with that...
 
user1804599
It causes ambiguities.
 
user1804599
Ruby has a context-sensitive grammar because of it.
 
1:54 PM
I prefer verbosity over having to look up documentation to have have a clue
to_s could be 'to set' 'to string' 'to short' etc.
 
user1804599
f +1 // f(+1) or (f) + (1)?
 
Ven
you mean # :D
 
@rightfold that latter, or your language is bad
 
@thecoshman I don't see that as a problem
@thecoshman types should tell you that
 
Ven
@thecoshman indeed it is
 
1:55 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I don't want to learn documentation
 
you're not supposed to learn it
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz you'd be amazed at Crystal ;-)
 
user1804599
@thecoshman In Ruby it depends on whether f is a method or a variable.
 
I don't think I use Java docs less when writing it compared to other languages
 
@BartekBanachewicz types aren't always clear from looking at a snippet, to_set is always going to be converting to a set, or the function is really bad
 
1:56 PM
despite the fact that the names are long af
 
@rightfold my statement still stands :P
well, it sits down
 
Ven
@rightfold tbh, I think @BartekBanachewicz was talking about the argument-less case, not the argument-ful one
 
@thecoshman OTOH "to string" is common enough to not be a problem
 
my statements don't have enough energy to stand
 
user1804599
@Ven f() +1 is unambiguous!
 
1:57 PM
@BartekBanachewicz OTOH you could just type it out and it will be clear from the code what you are doing
 
Ven
@rightfold correct your spacing, you twat
 
@thecoshman making the code longer in the process. It's a careful balance, not an obvious rule-of-thumb
naming is hard
 
foo.to_string() // a string
foo.to_set() // a set
foo.to_s() // take a guess
 
user1804599
@Ven compiler don't care
 
user1804599
actually it does
 
Ven
1:58 PM
@rightfold it does
 
@thecoshman You're nitpicking. The amount of confusion it causes for the first-timers is (can well be) neglible in the end
 
user1804599
f (x, y) and f(x, y) parse differently.
 
shorthands exist for a reason
 
user1804599
The former is a syntax error.
 
Ven
:D
This isn't scala. No auto-tupling for you
 
1:59 PM
e.g. Haskell's operators are frowned up mostly by newcomers to the language and mostly praised by experienced users. Cue vim vs more "user-friendly" editors
 
user1804599
f [x] vs f[x] lol
 
you'd think that people would realize by now that languages try to aim at different areas of the learning curve
 
and experienced Haskell users are mostly frowned upon
4
 
user1804599
PureScript rules because it doesn't fuck up the stdlib to make it beginner-friendly
 
Ben
functional programming is neat.
 
Ven
2:00 PM
@rightfold even worse when you realize f[x] is used to call a lambda: f = -> { 1 }; f[] => 1
 
@Griwes it's hard to relate to an experienced user of a technology with a steep curve vOv
 
user1804599
@Ven XD
 
user1804599
I always used .call!
 
the effort vs gain looks different for every person
 
Ven
@rightfold I usually use f.()
 
2:01 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Do you know why they are frowned upon? Because it's not because of the place of their language of choice on the learning curve.
 
user1804599
That's Elixir.
 
Ven
@rightfold Elixir stole it from Ruby.
(not even kidding)
 
@Ven ewww
 
user1804599
What?! Valimpire!
 
@Griwes I am not sure if I care.
 
user1804599
2:02 PM
age of vampires ii
 
Use whatever fits your task. If people think you're weird because of that, fuck them.
 
@BartekBanachewicz And yet you've just somewhat demonstrated it! Nice job.
 
Ven
% ruby -e 'f = -> a { puts a }; f.(3)'
3
 
@Griwes I can't grock that
 
@Griwes What, I was supposed to grab on your bait? Please.
 
2:03 PM
And yet you did!
lol
(There were two of them. :D)
 
ergh... and the polls are fighting again
 
user1804599
@Ven What did the Elixir programmer say to the Ruby programmer?
 
them polls
 
I'd like to see fighting polls
 
2:03 PM
@rightfold "lol, you perfectic scum"
 
must be interesting
 
user1804599
"U matz bro?"
 
Ven
@rightfold "I'm glad my language's creator moved away from your OO crap"
 
so for something actually interesting
is there a way to speed up GPG key gathering process/timeouts?
for apt.
 
Ven
yes dont use GPG
 
user1804599
2:04 PM
I had a problem, so I thought to use Elixir.
Now my problem crashes on ten million servers.
 
wow, two missing letters really changed the meaning of that sentence
 
@Ven well I want to install packages from unofficial repos
 
Ben
@BartekBanachewicz Why are you using aptitude?
 
@thecoshman no, they just enabled us to mock you
 
@rightfold at least you were able to get it running on that many servers
 
2:05 PM
@Ben I'm using apt, not aptitude. Not sure why you're asking
Found it to be more or less idiotproof
 
Ben
@BartekBanachewicz oh ok.
 
@BartekBanachewicz no, it inverted the meaning of my sentence whilst still being a valid sentence
 
I need deb http://www.apache.org/dist/cassandra/debian 37x main FWIW
@thecoshman and enabled us to mock you
tread carefully, for this is The Internet(tm)
 
user1804599
if ($_POST['voucher_value'] < 10) {
    die('Nope <script>window.location.reload();</script>');
}
 
user1804599
:(
 
Ven
2:07 PM
lol no isset
 
Handy book if you hate your children https://t.co/uc0Y6SNbRm
 
@AwalGarg that xml comment
 
user1804599
@Ven this syntax is killing me github.com/githwxi/ATS-Postiats/wiki/effects
 
user1804599
> <lincloptr1>
 
@BartekBanachewicz not really
 
2:09 PM
@thecoshman by arguing that you're proving my point
 
I am not arguing. You are wrong. My statement did not enable you to mock me, you already had that ability; but then, you never need a reason to mock someone. Now, for once, just acknowledge when you are being a tit and stop.
 
lol
well, until the next typo
 
Apparently I do have to point this out, nothing stops you form mocking someone, me making a typo does not suddenly make mocking a possibility, it just inspires you.
 
@Mgetz Actually, AFAICS, no, not "just about anything else". Unlike other agreements I've seen here the scope seems pretty well-defined and it actually seems closed to me (article 8). (Again, happy to be proven wrong).
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm going to sit on the sceptical side and just presume there are loop holes
 
Ell
2:17 PM
So, what's a free monad then vOv
 
user1804599
You provide a type of kind * -> * and it gives you a monad.
 
user1804599
@Ell if you are interested in FP you should join fpchat.com
 
and doesn't charge you
it's a trap!
 
@Ell it's a higher-order type constructor
 
@rightfold I am. Is the environment there the same as here, or ...?
 
user1804599
2:20 PM
@AwalGarg No, it's on-topic.
 
@rightfold half-life chat?
 
Ven
@rightfold eww
 
seems that removing the certificates fixed it
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user1804599
Calling names and trolling get you banned instead of rewarded.
 
2:21 PM
vagrant@vagrant-cassandra-2:~$ service cassandra status
 * Cassandra is running
rejoice!
 
@rightfold That sounds comforting, thanks. Requested an invite.
 
Ven
instead calling pronoums gets you banned.
 
now to connect those two
 
user1804599
@Ven There was an SJW on there, she got banned after SJWing
 
Ell
2:24 PM
@rightfold kewl
 
@rightfold well that's now fun
 
Ven
@rightfold really? do you have any logs?
 
Ell
I thought we were designing a language in this course
But we're not :(
We're writing a python compiler instead
 
user1804599
@Ell That's fun.
 
user1804599
Python is not too difficult to compile.
 
Ell
2:26 PM
It doesn't get marked though >.<
Only an essay is marked
I'm disappointed
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@Ell which course is it, if I may ask? Sounds fun!
 
@rightfold it's not that hard to rub chillie powder in your eyes, but why would you want to?
 
Ell
@AwalGarg the unit is called Language Engineering
My degree is Computer Science & Electronics
 
user1804599
rad
 
Ahh, I thought it was an MOOC or the likes.
 
user1804599
2:27 PM
Handy book if you hate your children https://t.co/uc0Y6SNbRm
 
@rightfold repost
 
@Ell Sometimes I hate being right
Or is the rest of your uni better
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz this is the only unit I really know stuff about
so I'm not qualified to say if they're good
but really, this unit is good but
 
user1804599
I know a lot about ().
 
Ell
not what I was hoping though
it will be taught well because the lecturer is good
but, I am glad we do denotational semantics
and other good bits in Language Engineering
I just wish we got graded on code, not an essay :V
 
2:31 PM
Wait
 
@Ell, why the avatar change?
 
Language design is a pretty hard and boring topic IMO. I'd take a class on compilers, parsing and runtimes any day :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz Hey man, how are you doing?
 
Ell
2:31 PM
@Shoe gravatar broke
 
@AwalGarg you're boring
 
@Shoe last motorbike licence lesson tomorrow <3
and I wrote Ruby today and almost liked it
 
Ouch
I have a truck driving license exam tomorrow
 
Yup
 
2:32 PM
what for?
Do you want to buy a camper?
 
Long story, but mostly fun. It's basically for free for me.
 
is this the case of "we have spare training money and don't know what to spend it on"?
 
My father has a driving school
 
oh well
do the B+E while you're at it
 
He wants me to take all categories
 
2:33 PM
@littlepootis You like C, so your opinion doesn't count :)
 
Yeah, E is next, then D
 
can't hurt I guess
@Shoe hmm, here B+E and C+E are distinct
 
I wish truck and buses drove themselves, so there's a small conflict of interest
C+E
 
not sure if C+E actually gives you B+E, like automatically
 
I know that C+E gives you D+E automatically
 
2:34 PM
@Shoe heh. Is it fun to drive a truck?
 
If you take the D that is
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@BartekBanachewicz Yup, extremely fun
 
@Shoe Yeah, I guess D is hard because people transport
 
Ven
@Shoe sigh.
indeed, D is hard.
 
@Shoe aww, nice.
 
@Ven I feel like I should have seen that coming
 
2:35 PM
plus you always have a fallback job as a driver then
 
I'm getting old
 
Ven
@Shoe you should always see the D coming.
 
which actually can be quite well paid
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah, but terrible hours and stuff
 
I guess that depends on your exact deal
I want to do planes next
 
2:36 PM
That oughta be fun
 
yeah. I have a friend in the US who's doing like real planes right now
I'm super jelly
but then again I'm in no rush for that so
gonna focus on getting the A before the winter starts
 
Got my A already few years back
 
@thecoshman so fear.
 
Here in Italy there was this sweet deal where if you completed A2, you would get A (old A3) for free after like 3 years of having the A2
 
2:38 PM
Got in just before they removed that
It was a silly rule tbh
 
I guess motorbikes are super popular in Italy
@Shoe I dunno. A2 already gives you plenty powerful machines.
 
@thecoshman Also, this is just as much a valid position on this as on any agreement whatsoever.
 
the jump from A2 to A doesn't necessarily have to be that big
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes huh?
 
Yeah, but it was based on the idea that you would experience A2 for 3 years; while in reality you could never drive A2-allowed motorbikes ever again and be allowed to drive A3-allowed motorbikes later on
 
2:39 PM
"I'm going to be skeptical and assume they're evil"
 
@Shoe welp, that's how it works in Poland right now, for the B->A1, which arguably makes even less sense
 
well, I'm not assuming they are evil, just that mistakes happen, and a loop hole will be found
 
@BartekBanachewicz Here it's instantaneous. If you have B you can drive A1 too
 
@thecoshman Mistakes are usually corrected.
 
Yeah
 
2:40 PM
Loopholes are what courts are for.
 
I remember motorbikes being lots of fun
 
@Shoe eh, I'll stop caring soon enough. 125cc gets too little too fast anyway ;)
@Shoe well sure they are, duh
 
The driving test also involved few track exercises (like drawing an 8 on the road) and stuff, and those were really fun
 
@thecoshman Still, this is position is just as valid on any other agreement.
There's no context whatsoever that ties it to this one in particular.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz you're not right :V
 
2:42 PM
There was the "emergency brake" attempt where you would go to 50km/h and then had to stop within a certain distance
 
@Shoe same here, except they don't measure the distance
 
Then there was the "pass between these cones"
@BartekBanachewicz Here it's all regulated and they use cones
Even for the 8 thingy
 
a few days back one of the guys in my school fell down doing the "50kph round the obstacle" thing
 
A decent stance would be "I don't think this wording is clear and strict enough to safeguard against <whatever wrong thing could come out of it>". But if someone holds that stance, they should be able to point to something that is too vague, or too broad, or too whatever else.
 
he panicked while turning and slammed the brake
 
2:43 PM
ouch
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hopefully so, and hopefully they are genuine mistakes :S
 
and broke the mirror on our bike, so I had to ride with it dangling around
 
Until you actually point to something other than innate distrust of the parties involved (for whatever reason), you're just fearmongering.
 
@Shoe just some bruises, thankfully
 
Please stop fearmongering.
 
2:44 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ooooh, scary
 
It doesn't lead to rational discourse.
 
I guess the fact that he fell down there is a good thing; better there, in a closed environment, than on the road
 
sure
 
it means that the exercises are working
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd have to take the time to read what it is saying
 
2:45 PM
@Shoe do you remember what were you driving for the A2?
 
@BartekBanachewicz ouch
 
@thecoshman yeah, if there's one thing you're not supposed to do on a motorbike, is full braking when you're in a turn
 
@BartekBanachewicz Some weird ass dirt-roads bike
 
@thecoshman "I don't have an opinion on the matter yet" is also a reasonable stance. Pandering to unsubstantiated propaganda isn't.
 
I remember there was some sort of loophole where with that bike you were able to either do both A1 and A2 or both A2 and A3 licenses
It was kind of unique
 
2:46 PM
@Shoe funny. I'm practicing on the same thing I'm gonna do the exam on, the SFV 650
 
Yeah you can do that
But if you don't have any, the driving school's consortium gives you that one
Which was extremely comfy as well
 
@Shoe oh I meant the same model
not like the exact same bike
 
I see
Here you can come with your own bike
 
Ven
oooh. AWS C++ SDK uses global state.
 
you actually can't bring your own one here
 
2:47 PM
As long as everything is good with it
 
Ven
Amazing.
 
Even for AM
 
Ven
That totally doesn't fuck with THE FACT I HAVE DATA MEMBERS I KINDA NEED TO INITIALIZE
 
you can for the B I think, but there's a lot of rules and mandatory modifications so no one really does it
but then again the machines in the exam center are usually very well maintained
 
There, depending on the bike you bring they give you AM with automatic gear or manual gear license
 
2:48 PM
OTOH they once had a reserve 100+ horsepower FZ-10 and that could've been a bit scary for some people
I just want to be done with it, frankly, it's a bit silly to drive my thing to work knowing that I can handle something real well enough
 
user1804599
Formal methods are rad.
 
Maybe I can find out which specific bike I was driving
Let's see
 
3:04 PM
Public exposure of buttocks is now full-fledged crime in Australia http://on.rt.com/7q9p
/cc:@Telkitty
 
Ben
3:15 PM
oh this is boring.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It looks to me like the applicable section is 8.9/2: "[...] the mere fact that a Party regulates, including through a modification to its laws, in a manner which negatively affects an investment or interferes with an investor’s expectations, including its expectations of profits, does not amount to a breach of an obligation under this Section."
 
@JerryCoffin Oh shit, I missed that and it's just before. I only read from 8.10 onwards.
@JerryCoffin JESUS how much clearer can they state this?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes If anything, however, that seems to be saying pretty much the opposite: that loss of expected profits (for example) is not grounds for a suit.
 
@JerryCoffin Exactly.
@thecoshman ^
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That said, lawyers can be pretty creative about things. I can just about see an attorney claiming that since a country could have passed regulation that would have hurt some other company (and benefited his client) without breaching the agreement, that it was therefore, obliged to do so, and sue for his client's loss of profits on that basis. What I can't see is any halfway-sane court actually accepting such an argument...
 
3:33 PM
Yeah, but they can always come up with such nonsense no matter what you write on the agreement.
For some people maybe it comes down to "I trust my corrupt officials more than someone else's corrupt officials", but for me that seems arbitrary.
Retailers have been selling our new HW product before the release date. It doesn't work without the SW update that we haven't released yet, and we already have some complaints from the users who got suckered in.
shakes head
@R.MartinhoFernandes Unless "my corrupt officials" means "the corrupt officials that I bought".
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...they can't. lol
 
3:51 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, I'm not really paying attention to all this btw
 
IDK it's almost like they saw people criticised previous agreements because of X so they went and wrote "not X" in the new one.
 
sbi
@caps Why do you ask?
Good evening, BTW.
 
Xeo
sup ape
 
@sbi Just hadn't seen you around in a while.
 
Ell
I very much like Herbs cppcon2016 talk
well, the bit about the heap thing
gcpp
 
4:38 PM
@Ell His deferred_ptr is similar to the unique_ptr specialization I made up to cross DLL boundaries. (chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/10?m=33000731#33000731)
 
Ell
ah yes
capturing the deleter at init
 
> and they lead to unmanageable complications like object resurrection (the worst case of which is making a finalized object reachable again
But object resurrection is so cool
 
Ell
How does that happen even? :V
 
4:54 PM
@Ell In the finalizer, store a reference to this in a static (or in any object that is alive).
liveReference = this;
GC.ReRegisterForFinalize(this);
In C#, put that ^ in a finalizer.
 
Ell
I wonder what the performance is like
of gcpp, in comparison to the jvm or clr GC
 
Different things.
 
Ell
Not similar enough to compare?
 
gcpp deals with objects, not memory, and it depends on how you structure the collections.
Also, gcpp isn't compacting, which affects allocation performance, so it also depends on how you structure the allocations.
> The current implementation is not production-quality. In particular, it's a pure library solution that requires no compiler support, it's single-threaded, it dynamically registers every deferred_ptr, and it doesn't try to optimize its marking algorithm. The GC literature and experience is full of ways to make this faster; for example, a compiler optimizer that is aware of deferred_ptr could optimize away all registration of stack-based deferred_ptrs by generating stack maps.
Also this.
> The important thing is to provide a distinct deferred_ptr type so we know all the pointers to trace, and that permits a lot of implementation leeway and optimization. (GC experts, feel free to plug in your favorite real GC implementation under the deferred_heap interface and let us know how it goes. I've factored out the destructor tracking to keep it separate from the heap implementation, to make it easier to plug in just the GC memory and tracing management implementation.)
 
user1804599
5:11 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes GC will cry every time.
 
@Borgleader just another pro-hillary propaganda.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes good point
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I missed that
@sehe supposedly it’s a UI over Chromium
 
5:38 PM
@JerryCoffin That may be in theory, but if memory serves, the reality of ISDS is that many states already paid out tens of billions of euros to cover new health and safety laws.
particularly, the ISDS court makes its own decision with no reference to national laws or precedents (again if memory serves) and cannot be appealed
so there's basically nothing the state can do to prevent unreasonable interpretations or decisions
ISDS is just another vehicle for companies to rip off governments, as if refusing to pay taxes wasn't enough
 
What's the ISDS court?
 
user1804599
ast_dats.c:359:39: error: use of undeclared identifier 'funset_sing'
ATSINSmove(tmpret0, PMVtmpltcstmat[0](funset_sing<S2EVar(4713)>)(tmp1)) ;
                                      ^
 
user1804599
Good job patscc
 
user1804599
shitty code generator
 
ISDS is a generic term for this form of settlement, AFAIK
There are several such courts.
 
As far as I know, each treaty basically establishes its own ISDS court under the exact terms
 

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