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12:40 AM
This humour has a culture/pun ratio thats too high for me to understand.
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel as a self diagnosed libertarian, I don't understand this joke :(
 
1:02 AM
The Fountainhead is a 1943 novel by Ayn Rand, and her first major literary success. More than 6.5 million copies of the book have been sold worldwide. The Fountainhead's protagonist, Howard Roark, is an individualistic young architect who chooses to struggle in obscurity rather than compromise his artistic and personal vision. The book follows his battle to practice what the public sees as modern architecture, which he believes to be superior, despite an establishment centered on tradition-worship. How others in the novel relate to Roark demonstrates Rand's various archetypes of human character...
You guys suck.
 
Ell
I've only heard of Atlas shrugged :P
But why the connection between libertarianism and objectivism?
One does not imply the other
I guess because she was both vOv
 
@Ell Objectivism can be seen as a more "hardcore" form of libertarianism.
 
sorry, I've only read Atlas Shrugged of her works
and regretted the latter 2/3rds of it
 
1:21 AM
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel I don't think so
I think a more hardcore libertarianism is ancap
@jaggedSpire I haven't read it but heard that the actual writing style is not very good
 
it could have ended a third of the way through.
the thing had a climax and a resolution and everything
and then it just kept going for 800 more pages
I've expunged most of the plot from my head but from what I recall I wouldn't find it out of place in one of the longer fanfics I read.
 
From what I can tell, objectivism is "it is mankind's true nature to be selfish, and so you should be selfish"
 
actually, hiding away from the idiotic general public and government to build a shining new society is the plot of a not insignificant number of Harry Potter fanfics
 
Everybody is selfish
 
1:28 AM
In a way, yes. But Rand says that to be truly altruistic is impossible.
 
And that's fine, because being selfish is most of the time ok
 
A lot of things she said are fine if you follow them with a bunch of "but..."
 
I want to make a music
 
@EtiennedeMartel There's a fair argument to be made that even when people are altruistic, it's because it makes them feel good about themselves (and is, therefore, indirectly selfish).
 
1:39 AM
I don't like Pink Floyd all that much but "Is there anybody out there?" and "The great gig in the sky" are the most beautiful songs I've ever listened to
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel I think that's the gist. But replace "selfish" with "acting with at least some self interest"
Because IMHO "selfish" has other connotations
 
well, there is a theory in economics that says everything we do, we act with at least some self interest
take mother teresa for example, she never built a house or grew some grain herself, all she used were the work of someone else
I am sure that she acted out of good will most of the times, but what she did was to make herself feeling good at those times too
 
1:58 AM
@Telkitty Devil's advocate: Feeling good about what you're doing isn't selfish whereas doing something because you'll feel good about it may be considered selfish (I think the distinction is the intent or motivation behind the choices which no one can determine from the outside)
 
but when people help others it's because subconsciously they know that they will feel good about it?
 
I think both are possibilities: 1) Someone helps someone because they know there's something in it for them (the way it affects their appearance to others, the way they feel, etc), 2) Someone helps someone because they only want to be helpful but the side affect of that may be that the feel good (but that's not why they chose to be helpful and therefore it was purely an unselfish act)
 
2:33 AM
maybe it's a conscious vs subconscious thing ...
 
@JerryCoffin I'm indirectly a shellfish.
 
Hello,

If I'm getting a value like this,
std::cout << port.getDestinationPlanes().find(pass.getPassengerDest())->second.at(0).getName();

Is this an indicator that I need to reconsider my design or is this common in practice?
 
I only see your code. You said you're getting a value. What value? Or are you asking if that code is bad design?
 
bad design
 
Never mind, I get what you're asking. It's too late here ...
 
2:49 AM
hey @Telkitty
 
hello
 
how are you this fine morning?
 
@Telkitty Yes
 
hello hello
 
@ScarlettJ Okay, I get it.
 
2:51 AM
@hello oh no, I don't think you actually do.
y'see,
"hello" is your username
and "hello" also happens to be a salutation phrase in the English language
so saying "hello" twice in a row is kind of a double meaning!!!
 
@ScarlettJ Saying hello to hello ?
 
yup! or just "hello, hello!" which is also a phrase
saying it twice
so it's ambiguous
 
Hello, Hello!.... HELLO
How about that?
 
oh damn now you're just being ridiculous!
 
@ScarlettJ Sometimes I do not hear, so you yell
makes sense to me.
 
2:55 AM
I didn't realize an actress would have interest in being in the SO C++ lounge ...
 
what you think acting is my sole identity? puh-lease
 
@ScarlettJ I am good, how about yourself?
 
@Telkitty good
 
@JamesAdkison Why not? Angelina J got hired as visiting professor at the London School of Economics
 
@hello Just because if I consider all in the acting profession I'm guessing the % that would have such an interest would be very low. (Of course that assumption could be wrong) That assumption explains why I would be surprised but surely isn't a statement that it's not possible.
@ScarlettJ Ha. I didn't say that. Just a statement of surprise. :)
 
3:02 AM
@JamesAdkison :)
 
Eastern Conference finals are pretty much wrapped up!
Cleveland Cavaliers advance
 
@JamesAdkison Right!
Anyone watch soccer here?
 
I follow my local team but I don't watch them. They are a new MLS team.
 
What team is that? I only know New York red Bulls and LA Galaxy. Partly because Thierry Henry (formerly of Arsenal F.C.) and David Beckham(Real Madrid) played there.(respectively).
You watch the US team play two days ago?
US Men
 
3:21 AM
Orlando City
No, the only sport I watch a lot of is (American) Football
College and Pro, but I also watch a bit of the NBA finals
 
3:44 AM
@StackedCrooked You are what you eat!
 
but I eat beef and pork, am I a cow or a piglet?
 
Come to think of it, I'd probably better not think about that too much though.
 
I eat a lot of vegetables & I am definitely not a vegetable!
 
by that logic I am approximately half cow milk
 
@Telkitty You're an omnivore
 
3:49 AM
I don't think you get how much milk I drink
It's my main source of protein and hydration and I go through 3-4 gallons every week.
 
That much milk might kill me.
 
I've built up a resistance :P
 
 
2 hours later…
6:05 AM
@Rapptz PoE new league next week, the hype cycle has already started anew
 
6:33 AM
morning
 
6:58 AM
night
 
evening
 
hello
 
7:47 AM
@LucDanton will 90% of characters be voltaxic bow spark sions? why yes!
 
@ScarletAmaranth I’m still going through the planned Ascendancy changes (had to pop off to the shops), but I’ve heard that Berserker Scion has been gutted so we’ll see
it’s not like we have patch notes either
 
I am just surprised by the speed of people somehow managing to find cookie cutters within the first 2 weeks of the league and then slowly everyone ends up rolling one as they lose their character (at least in HC)
 
@ScarletAmaranth oh and nice softcore scrub opinion, scrub
(jk of course I play softcore too)
 
I play HC actually
 
then why are you so much concerned with Berserker Ascendant and not, say, Champion?
 
7:51 AM
but to be honest I haven't had the time past few weeks, been busy with school
 
speaking of, Fortitude "You have Fortify" looks to be unchanged
 
yeah that's true
I am concerned with everyone playing the same thing, whatever that thing might be
 
@ScarletAmaranth 2 weeks is a lot tbh, it only takes a handful of people dedicated to a particular build to have an opinion spread around the community
 
and when your bow says convert 100% lighting damage to chaos damage / your chaos damage can shock, you kiiinda know you have a recipe for a "disaster"
 
some people start leagues with the same build over and over and they can easily check whether it’s strong or not by looking at the ladder. Then they can adjust their build, and word of mouth spreads around (also, public profiles)
 
7:53 AM
that's true enough
but there is a lot of frustration with bullshit HC deaths, which makes people (or is it just me?) to just then roll the "strongest considered build"
 
@ScarletAmaranth interestingly enough they did announce that all the Fire->Chaos uniques are going to be adjusted to 60% of their current values
so the devs do have their eyes on chaos conversion
 
for example if you do not have an SSD, you can't click chests "guarded by <x> groups" of monsters, otherwise you risk biting the dust, which is somewhat amusing
 
@ScarletAmaranth that can’t be right, all boxes are guarded by 3 packs of monsters you don’t roll that
 
(and when you die like that, you roll dat voltaxic spark sion)
@LucDanton pretty sure there are 4 too? I might be imagining this; that said, it lags like hell
my HDD goes crazy streaming whatever the fuck and I can't move for good 2 seconds
 
ISTR that Voltaxic Spark, while fotm, is actually not that popular—spark is just not that popular a spell, although it has its fans (like pretty much any skill)
it’s Voltaxic LA that’s both fotm and appears a lot on the ladder etc.
@ScarletAmaranth you can roll magic packs and/or rares monsters on top of the 3 packs
 
7:57 AM
Hi.
 
look, it’s the implicit
 
ah ok, I've never realized! :)
I'd like to see "fixed stupid lag" in changenotes one day :(
 
@ScarletAmaranth even with the recent-ish changes to pop one pack after the other?
@ScarletAmaranth There are actually engine/performance changes announced for 2.3
 
yup, no SSD no chest clicking
 
background loading!
 
7:59 AM
background loading is pretty much the thing they need to do, so that'd be great
 
re-done sound engine, which was a big culprit
 
is it? o_O
I'll just disable all sounds and try :P
 
@ScarletAmaranth for many players --nosound made the game run flawlessly
@ScarletAmaranth btw I did end up playing Voltaxic LA last league
 
but of course you did :P
 
I didn’t intend to, it was my first bow character and I started ele
I wasn’t set on any one skill or any one weapon
but when all was said and done, I couldn’t find anything better than Voltaxic LA
I had a pretty good ele bow, better tooltip than Voltaxic and everything
but chaos conversion is unbeatable—frees up your ele pen and no need to worry about reflect
and LA is just one (small) notch above the rest
so what you gonna do huh
 
8:02 AM
ye, it opens all mods; reflect? no problem, resistant? no problem
 
I didn’t really plan to be ele bow either come to think of it, the whole plan was trying Deadeye and projectiles so I only took generic projectile nodes
turns out that’s how you build Voltaxic LA
 
was it a scion / templar?
 
nah, Deadeye
 
so you just happened to roll a ranger for an elemental bow in the first place?
oh
you didn't plan on
being an ele bow, I see
 
yeah I tried some of the melee proj skills for the lolz, too
 
8:04 AM
ok sorry, now it makes sense :P
 
running melee weapons is a lot of hassle though so I just did when the opportunity arose, e.g. running into an okay dagger during leveling and so on
Lightning Strike Deadeye is fun but doesn’t look to be anything to write about though :(
 
running melee in PoE seems to be a lot of hassle in general :-(
 
gotta have a nice weapon to carry you
@ScarletAmaranth yeah, when I started the fun made it worth it though
 
I actually postponed making a bow character for so long because I had an itch it would change my outlook on the game
 
8:08 AM
I am trying to think of a melee build that does well with a skill that ends up smacking with equipped weapons
there is earthquake but that's really just an aoe spell frost nova style
 
doesn’t make sense not to clear the screen though
 
right, but for example cleave at least "hits with weapons" :P
or the crash bandicoot spin
 
you should probably try cyclone
 
cyclone was nerfed hard tho
you can't hit million times with it anymore :(
 
it’s a good clearer but unlike the other obvious AoE skills it clears from, well, hitting mobs as you put it
@ScarletAmaranth yeah I would have pointed it out
 
8:10 AM
yeah cyclone is probably as close as you can get to smacking in face
 
there’s cleave but since it’s not as good you need to be on top of the intricacies of building melee I think
i.e. to make it worth it I think you want something like dual wield with lots of +flat
which is actually how you’re supposed to build melee (the +flat bit), but I never seem to pull that off—it’s expensive
 
mmm, I might try to make one just for kicks, but I feel like I'll rip somewhere on merciless due to melee-ness, and then I'll roll a caster / bow :P
new league soon, not playing until then
 
of course!
> Intimidated enemies take 10% increased Damage
new effect for support-ish/tank-ish builds I guess, Champion has access to it
 
8:47 AM
@ScarletAmaranth @LucDanton you guys play PoE??!?!!
shitz
I didn't know man
 
we are patiently waiting for a new league :)
 
do you guys play SC or HC?
 
seems like luc plays SC, I play HC
 
ah I play SC
there's no real difference anyway, when you get to 98+
if you die you want to kill yourself
 
well... losing some XP is nowhere near as bad as losing your 10+ exalts gear
 
8:56 AM
:P
either way, if you die once at that point you've lost the race
 
the race to what? 100 server first? :D
 
y
 
what's the point :)?
 
in perandus we got #1, #2 and #4
that's the fun part :P
 
that's not the fun part for me :P
 
9:00 AM
@ScarletAmaranth I dno, it's fun but also draining
not sure if I want to go for 100 again
 
I just run maps as soon as I can
get some nice gear, hopefully not lose it
and when I die I try a new build with some stashed goodies
 
@ScarletAmaranth dno, if I were to die I'd just quit
not farming 2 skyforths in a league :D
 
to each his own as they say :)
 
what was your highest level in PHC?
 
not much, 78
 
9:03 AM
oh
 
I had 91 in talisman
 
I got to 87 with a solo self found character
then I stopped playing him
 
new league is a comin' tho, and it seems super sweet
 
@ScarletAmaranth go inquisitor
it's opieop
check out orlp_SSF_watch_me_fail
pretty fun, full convert shockwave totem
(all the gear is self found, that helm is the sickest helm I've ever found lol)
 
you are one of those people who prefix his character names with stuff :P? ewww :)
mm, why try to self-find everything? :)
 
9:11 AM
@ScarletAmaranth as a fun challenge
 
pretty fun on HC indeed :)
 
@ScarletAmaranth but seriously, go inquisitor
ignoring resists is so powerful
 
it's 100% ignored on crit, right?
 
yes
it allows you to basically ignore all map mods
 
well, you can ignore resists too by converting shit :)
 
9:13 AM
chaos conversion got nerfed
besides, then you're noncrit :P
gta get that damage
@ScarletAmaranth I'm probably going CI trickster CoC Discharge in the new league
 
I want to go a random melee build first and die with it in merciless somewhere :)
 
oh man :*(
you missed the best part
in perandus you had varunastra
is amazing with max-block gladiator earthquake
 
@ScarletAmaranth that screams 2h then
 
yeah but earthquake is like ice nova, right :)? you don't smack people in face with it
 
(you absolutely need whirling blades)
oh
you mean that kind of melee build
 
9:20 AM
@LucDanton riiight?!
 
I don't theorycraft them because they're bad :P
 
yeah that kind that has never really worked
 
although this recently came on reddit which is okay I guess
 
^ exactly
 
basically, all the good melee builds try their best to not be melee
 
9:23 AM
Ehi since you are speaking about videogames, is there any tutorial about balancign combat stats in a videogame? In example develop a damage algorithm and then balance stuff like Attack, Defense, Overkill damage??
 
facepalm
 
XD
seriously I did that search some time ago and I found plenty tutorials, know there are a lot of tutorials that use tons of words for saying nothing XD, no example formula, no data tables... XD
Next time I'll save the pages directly when they are interesting
Ok assume a simple comptetitive game with 2 only classes. We basically need only 2 stats, HP and Attack
It is balanced as long as everyone can kill the other in same time right?

so
Warrior = 100 HP and 10 damage
Thief = 40 HP and 25 damage

They could kill each other in 4 shots.
 
@DarioOO no it's not
there's no easy answer
you just have to playtest
 
At least help me ask the correct question :D,
 
generally you want to balance your game around some rock paper scissors
 
9:31 AM
well just discussing about the topic is enough, probably I'll get some idea, but I need brainstor to warm up XD
 
like tanks -> assassins -> sustained dps -> tanks
 
ok r-p-s fine idea :)
 
const char * p = malloc(10);
free(p);   // lol type error
 
?
is it const?
 
passing argument 1 of ‘free’ discards ‘const’ qualifier from pointer target type
note: expected ‘void *’ but argument is of type ‘const char *’
 
9:35 AM
yeah that'd be it
const incorrectness
I guess it kind of makes sense
 
Isn't the first line simply stupid? You couldn't do anything with the allocated memory, anyway.
 
if const says you can't write to it you should definitely not be able to free it
@fredoverflow well yea
and even char * p = malloc(10); would be dumb in a real scenario
char p[10];
although maybe if you need to return the data...
 
Ok so
Warrior -> Assassin -> Clerk -> Warrior

Attack = X
HP = Y

aX + bY > cX + dY // Warrior greater than thief
cX + dY > eX + fY // Thief greater than clerk
eX + fY > aX + bY // Clerk greater than warrior

3 disequations with 2 variables => impossible system or identity
we need another stat
 
attack speed or cooldowns
 
if attak speed is linear combination of a constand and attack it make no difference.
 
9:38 AM
an assassin has a big nuke on a long cooldown
@DarioOO it does, because you can't do half attacks
 
sure now we are out of the box thinking
 
consider the assasin
doing 100 damage every 5 seconds
 
how can I model that?
 
he instagibs a guy with 100 hp
but takes 5 seconds for a guy with 101 hp
@DarioOO floor
but anyway
this is the wrong approach imo
just eyeball some values and playtest
perfect balance doesn't exist and isn't fun
 
there's seriously no kind of "theory" I can get inspiration from?
sure , morrowind higly unbalanced and fun, oblivion highly balanced and boring, I get what you mean
balanced => whatever you choose is good
 
Ven
9:45 AM
Rakudo Perl 6's make install has been broken for me for quite some time now :[
 
Does it have Cmake script?
 
Ven
nah
 
@DarioOO That's not true.
 
Ok

Thief => 100 HP and 50 Damage every 5 seconds
Warrior => 100 HP and 25 Damage every 2 seconds
Clerk => THERE EXIST NO BALANCING STAT

It is either:
Warrior => Thief
Thief => Clerk
Warrior => Clerk

or
Warrior => Thief
Thief <= Clerk
Warrior <= Clerk

So time of attacks made no difference here
 
that's because you have no creativity at all here.
 
9:51 AM
XD
 
e.g.
Warrior 51 hp, Thief 50hp gives Warrior > Thief, barely.
so Thief > Cleric is clear- just give Cleric 100hp and deals 51 damage every 6 seconds
then cleric > warrior too.
 
Ven
Thief with as many HP as Warrior? :/
Someone needs to play Baldur's Gate...
 
I did, extensively
 
Nice game
 
that game was unbalanced as all fuck
 
and had 99 balancing faactors too
e.g. special abilities, potions, equipment, etc
 
@AndyProwl yeah right
 
It is already possible mimicking modules, can't wait for them really anyway
 
@DarioOO honestly, don't design with balance in mind
just design what you think is cool
then test it
and then adjust values
 
nah
that's bullshit
 
9:55 AM
@AndyProwl what did they decide on macros - should they be exported?
 
a good game needs the thing to be designed properly up front.
you can't adjust the values when tweaking 1hp in one direction might completely break the balance
 
@Abyx I just started watching the video. Last I checked, yes
 
Also because balance is part of design requirements, so it is easier add it before than after.. the problem is how XD
 
no
the problem is that you're going about it in a tremendously terrible way really
there's a whole bunch of other factors to consider
 
video quality is so bad the slides are barely readable, well done
 
9:57 AM
@orlp Or maybe 10 is just a guess, and you need more later ;)
 
e.g. class combinations for instance
or equipment quality
or class abilities
movement speed, attack range
 

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