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9:00 AM
i found the opposite actually
a friend of mine, that i used to play with
was like one of the top norwegian players
he kept doing these flashy strats when we played
in the long run your better just going the standard builds, maybe it gets boring?
 
Ven
you can go for flashy stuff, but 1) people are gonna expect it the 2nd time 2) flashy doesn't mean good
(see Byul's SH build in the last starleague run)
 
like i always wanted sc2 to be more slow paced and planning ur setup
 
Ven
well, there are non-realtime strategy games. Like Civ etc
those might suit you more?
 
=P
something in between would be great
idk, like i always wanted to slow down and try to plan a little
but thats wasting time in sc2
 
user1804599
@Ven RIP free speech
 
Ven
9:04 AM
right. It's absolutely impossible to be both on point with macro and on point with micro :)
 
did you ever play HoN?
one of the early dota clones
 
Ven
no. I've never been a dota-like fan – may it be dota(2)/league/smite/whateverelse
 
=/ too bad, that was a great game
 
nwp
 
korea nr 1
 
nwp
9:08 AM
that was not intened, didnt expect upload would send too
clearly P op
 
Ven
Protossed :P
 
nwp
I miss NukeTheStars, diggity, kolera, moletrap
RIP broodwar
 
9:23 AM
@Charlie admittedly LoTV is the fastest Starcraft ever
 
Ven
depends what "fastest" means :P. If you're talking about mechanically demanding, then bw asked for more of that
 
no, game time and game progress vs time
"time to first tank" etc
anyway BW was extremely shit compared to SC2
 
I dunno about that
WoL and HotS could be pretty dubious at times
 
but still miles ahead
 
I don't think so
 
9:28 AM
morning
 
did you watch the first game puppy?
some nice liberator play there
 
did I watch what first game?
 
"2016 Hot6 GSL Season 1"
it's live now, TvP
 
oh that stuff
the reality is that I don't watch a lot of sc2 anymore
or in fact hardly any
 
well now there are commercials
 
9:29 AM
and the stream right now showcases why
it's just full of useless shit, interviews, advertisements, whatever.
too much bullshit, not enough starcraft
 
the match is starting soon
it's P 2:1 T atm
 
Ven
Protossed indeed
 
oh look
more pointless interviews
play the fucking game already.
 
what sport is that?
 
Ven
starcraft
@Puppy I agree, but at the same time, if all they did was playing the matches, it'd take an hour or two, and people would feel cheated
soo... yeah
 
9:32 AM
on the contrary
 
@Ven what is starcraft?
 
@Khaled.K sc2
 
showing the pointless interviews is cheating people
 
Ven
@Khaled.K idk
 
they came to watch starcraft and it's not there
 
9:32 AM
@Puppy dunno they aren't always pointless
 
Ven
@Puppy it adds fluff and filler, so they fill like the price they paid was good for that amount of time :P
 
on LoL streams the interviews about the fucking game were actually interesting
but since I don't know any single of those koreans I agree now it's kinda a filler
 
yes, but that timespan should be filled with the actual game.
 
@BartekBanachewicz what is that?
 
@Khaled.K starcraft 2. Just google it?
 
9:33 AM
I'd rather watch 2h of Starcraft than 2h of starcraft padded with 6h ofbullshit
 
nwp
@Khaled.K twitch.tv/gsl
 
@Puppy meh, 2h of game would get boring fast
I just wish they discussed replays and stuff
but then again we're not the target audience
 
maybe if you had a terrible game
with bad players and bad casters
I mean, what you're fundamentally saying is "I'd rather watch interviews than the game because the game is boring."
 
I see, another MMO
 
@Puppy and that's not entirely true either
 
9:35 AM
in which case may I recommend fixing the fact that the game is boring
 
@Puppy that's a false dichotomy
 
rather than padding it out with interminable shite
 
@Khaled.K it's not a MMO lol
 
oh look, a big long shot of the crowd
boy things sure have changed since the WoL days
 
People that come to the event are paying to get the whole even experience and it's much more than just watching the game. If they just wanted to watch the game they'd stay at home
 
9:36 AM
a big group of people staring at a screen is so much different now
 
lol I wonder if you're really not getting that
 
nwp
@Puppy they have slightly better overlays nowadays
 
because it would kinda not be without precedent
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's merely an effective argument for why people shouldn't come to the event.
 
Ven
the overlays for the last blizzcon were terrific
 
9:36 AM
@Puppy I like how you equate your needs and wants with everyone else's.
 
meh
if they actually want to watch this shit, it's their loss
 
Ven
it is :)
 
Ate so much I'm gonna burst
 
Ven
what'd you eat?
 
english breakfast and then scones
 
9:39 AM
oh funny I actually recognize this map
i played it in campaign yesterday
like the campaign setting for the map
 
@BartekBanachewicz I was joking, but they're gonna make it MMO soon..
 
@Khaled.K what? No, they aren't. Where are you getting this from.
 
@BartekBanachewicz sorry ignore what I said, it's an opinion based on a hunch
 
nwp
they should have different audio channels for the game sounds and the casting so that recasts don't overlay the voice
technology is hard
 
my hunch is that it's blizzard, and soon they will decide to milk it, and in order to milk it first they turn it into a cow..
 
Ven
9:54 AM
This game was so amazing
 
nwp
I don't think they will change starcraft, they will just add more games
 
user1804599
It's disgusting that Labor Day is a national holiday
 
@Ven yeah
@Khaled.K "soon"? This game is already years old
@nwp like Overwatch?
 
nwp
@BartekBanachewicz was thinking about starcraft ghost, but overwatch, hearthstone and HotS count too
 
an HotS is sooo made to make money
 
nwp
9:58 AM
I feel hearthstone is
paying 200$ to get all the new cards is fairly common
 
I might be wrong, but I know big companies who work on games that take years to have addicted community start to milk it when it seem to reach its decay in the market
 
nwp
they milked diablo2 and sc:bw too, but not in a way that feels like money is the ultimate goal
blizzard at least wants to milk you with good games
 
Ven
The only blizzard game that's alive right now is Hearthstone
they better not fuck it up. And they better make overwatch work
 
@Ven SC2 is huge in Korea
 
Ven
10:08 AM
No
 
yeah w/e
 
Ven
I mean
 
we're not watching a tournament now
the game is clearly dead
 
Ven
Yes, it is huge. much bigger than here.
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d34d g43m
 
Dude, one of my fav games, Guns of Icarus, used to go around 150 people online worldwide
now it's like 1500
 
Ven
10:09 AM
there are probably around 2 millions people watch sc2 on cable channels in korea right now
 
Point being, SC2 is far from dead
 
Ven
What I'm getting from some korean friends is that a huuuge number of koreans still prefer BW
 
@Ven if those are the numbers, that show is successful, that game is not
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz it's far from dead, but it's far from alive
 
@Ven ...
yeah whatever
 
Ven
10:10 AM
I don't mean to troll. I mean really. Outside of korea, it's on the decline
 
@Ven Soon they'll run out of CRT screens and pentium 1 machines to play it on
@Ven ah so now "decline" = dead
right.
 
Ven
:P hey, if blizz updated Diablo 2 not long ago, maybe they're gonna update BW ;)
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz okay, then, replace "alive" in my sentence by "alive, thriving and growing"
 
1500 is a small number, unless if this is the number of people who pay on in-game stuff
 
Ven
10:12 AM
CS:GO tournaments attract 1m+ people on twitch. Same for league. Same for DOTA2.
 
@Khaled.K no, it's total.
@Ven yeah well all of those games are much less requiring on the player
 
Ven
There are 30k people watching this right now
 
CS:GO is for 13yolds mostly
LoL and Dota2 are just much less complex than SC2
 
Ven
the fact it's much less complex is also a reason they get much more view.
 
@Ven if thats how they intended the game to generate revenue, then it's successful
 
10:13 AM
but honestly I don't care that much about streams, it's not like they hugely impact my fun from the game
@Ven yeah like football
 
Ven
it's faaar easier to see who's ahead when watching CS or Dota-likes
 
CS is terrible in general.
 
@sehe I was going off Java's syntax v0v
 
@Ven maybe they built it like that for the reason of showing it off as a contest on TV
 
Ven
It kinda built itself, tbh
 
user1804599
10:15 AM
Vi sitter i Ventrilo och spelar DotA
 
Ven
@Zoidberg have you used Elixir's docstring tests much?
 
user1804599
No
 
Ven
seems like each line gets a new environment :/
 
user1804599
Fuck Elixir
 
user1804599
Untyped bullshit
 
Ven
10:15 AM
oh yeah you're hating on elixir nowadays
 
nwp
I really liked fantasy tennis, but it was killed by the licenser's cash shop greed :(
 
@Zoidberg we used to listen to that when playing the first dota
 
user1804599
Awful
 
Ven
ugh, it works in iex, but not in the tests...
obviously, the test macro does shady stuff
 
@orlp I'm a bit sad that I paused my music for that.
 
10:19 AM
@Morwenn fuck
 
On the other hand, it was a puppy...
 
woooof
 
@Puppy meow
Anyone?
I will attend this tech party
 
Ven
@Zoidberg stop taking drugs maybe?
interesting idea: add syntactic macros to PS
 
interesting idea: burn PS with fire and build something worth using
 
Ven
10:24 AM
@Puppy do you have constructive criticism to make against it, or is it just "stop diving the community"?
 
Constructive criticism? Everybody stop complaining and listen to Nujabes.
 
user1804599
Bad post part II
 
well, the syntax is horrible, no proper typing, terrible interop with .NET, poor versioning
 
lmao
"you can see TyTy's mother being concerned about his double factory and late starport"
#korea
 
10:29 AM
shoulda just cut the crap and gone straight to C#
 
user1804599
@Puppy PureScript, not PowerShell, lol
 
Ven
GG
 
GEEEE GEEEEE
 
ah
 
lol
 
Ven
10:32 AM
@Puppy ah, that's the issue with acronyms.
I knew rightfold was talking about purescript because she linked an issue ealier
 
user1804599
@Ven just use M4
 
Ven
fuck no
 
user1804599
PureShell and PowerScript
 
PowerPoint
 
Ven
PS2PS
 
10:33 AM
ok so
PureScript that emits PowerShell?
 
Ven
that coud be an interesting project
 
user1804599
There's a C++11 backend
 
PowerShell to PostScript.
 
VBA cums into powerShell and excel sheets
 
user1804599
And a truffle one
 
nwp
10:35 AM
time to find a new way to waste my time
 
Ven
@Morwenn that seems so horrible
 
Post-Socialism to Pegboard Scum.
 
user1804599
PenisShrinker
 
Pansexual.
 
user1804599
Does that include paedosexual
 
10:36 AM
Not sure.
 
so no nobody from these jungle gonna attend this party https://riseconf.com/open-source-contributors
?
 
Ven
11:27 AM
slow lounge
@Morwenn see, you rep didn't go away :)
 
@Ven Wait until I get banned and it goes down to 1 :p
 
@Morwenn Why would you get banned?
 
Why wouldn't I?
 
Ven
cuz everyone loves you <3
 
user1804599
Alex and Happy are so much better than Parsec.
 
11:33 AM
Aw:3
Most of my build failures on Travis are because I forgot to add a file before committing.
 
nwp
@ProblemSlover such an asshole
 
@набиячлэвэлиь It's from Go Get a Roomie, one of the best webcomics around :D
 
11:36 AM
QC best webcomic
 
user1804599
@Morwenn Use git add -A ..
 
@Zoidberg Too many things I still haven't .gitignored; I would add too many random things.
@набиячлэвэлиь Nope, that's Oglaf :o
 
user1804599
???
 
But QC is cool.
 
user1804599
11:37 AM
Everything that does not belong in the repo and is produced by something in the repo should be in .gitignore.
 
user1804599
For e.g. editor-generated crap, use a global .gitignore.
 
Yeah, « should ».
 
user1804599
You suck.
 
Occasionally.
 
I use an inverted .gitignore to only allow things I want in
 
11:39 AM
.chastity-belt
2
 
damn
L4D2 is such a disappointing game
you just want to play and enjoy the game and then some shitstain joins who spams the un-disableable character voices
 
Xeo
delete audio files, fixed!
 
11:54 AM
@ThePhD o.O
 
user1804599
12:24 PM
Killer feature: compiler flag that makes the compiler emit diagnostics in reverse order, so that you don't have to first scroll up in the terminal.
 
@ThePhD wot
 
@Zoidberg also known as | tac
 
user1804599
And also sorts warnings before errors.
 
user1804599
So that you see the errors first.
 
@Zoidberg and also randomly shuffles them, so you have no idea which one was first :)
 
12:26 PM
I just use vim's error list.
 
user406009
@Zoidberg I usually just use the less command.
 
@набиячлэвэлиь tac doesn't cut it because errors aren't single-line.
 
user406009
compileMe 2>&1 | less
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes I know
Can a man not crack a joke?
 
I use the scroll lock button in eclipse :v
 
12:43 PM
Kirghizistan metal at its best.
 
Is it okay to pull two nighters? I'm working on a project and haven't slept yesterday, thinking whether its okay to stay up tonight as well?
Has anyone tried that?
 
never stop sleeping
 
user406009
@TheArtist It's usually best to not even do one.
 
evens
 
Hmmmm.....
 
12:52 PM
I did 50h sometimes. Don't do it.
 
deadly you reckon?
@R.MartinhoFernandes what happened?
@R.MartinhoFernandes did you faint or something?
 
@TheArtist What kind of project? Work, school, hobby? Have you tested how productive you are with no sleep for so long? :P
 
user406009
@TheArtist No it's not deadly.
 
user406009
It's just that you lose all productivity.
 
@TheArtist It's stupid and pointless, the tiredness will make you far less effective than normal and you basically just won't get anything done.
 
user406009
12:54 PM
And what little productivity you have left just produces shit.
 
Hmmmmmmm okay.....
@melak47 School
@Puppy what if there is a deadline up near the corner? Does that still apply?
 
basically, yes.
 
user406009
@TheArtist You start throwing other shit by the wayside.
 
user406009
Like stop having fancy meals, stop wasting time on reddit, skip classes, etc, etc.
 
user406009
Sleep is only 8 hours a day.
 
12:58 PM
Okay thanks guys. I will be thinking about it.
 
@Lalaland Thats logical! Haha and I love the "skip classes" part
 
@Lalaland 4 hours per day is sufficient
 
@Lalaland probably the easiest one to do in the list.
 
user406009
@набиячлэвэлиь It seems to vary person by person.
 
12:59 PM
I would like to continue this topic: In X-Men Legends II: Rise of Apocalypse. The 4 horsemen who bring the apocalypse don't even horses to ride on! Why do you think is that?
a) Lost horses through the last round of cost reduction
2) horsemen decided to exercise after putting on 50 pounds
3) mad horse disease wiped out their herd
4) they are imposters who pretend to be the horsemen and was unable to secure horses from nearby farms
5) others, please specify
 

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