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10:01 PM
Lol @JerryCoffin - isn't C++ a lovely language. Where 83k rep users can completely miss the ball
 
@Mysticial Oh, of course. In some cases, however, some additions can be close to free--if (at least part of) a chip has a lot of logic and very little interconnect, you may be able to add more interconnect without increasing chip area (and vice versa, of course).
@sehe Yeah. I figured you notice that question soon (if you hadn't already).
 
@JerryCoffin I just did. I reckoned I'd not try to dupe-vote this as it might be FAQ, but rather hard to search for
 
@sehe Yeah--you'd think SO (of all places) would try to support searching for symbols, but apparently not...
 
10:03 PM
All the 8 cores are really 8 cores. But the 10 cores are really 12 cores.
 
guys.. I think I must have ADHD. Google and Facebook keep distracting me from my program I have to do.
 
@Mysticial why's the medium sized one got the highest wattage?
@Nathan write a program that undistracts you
 
and I am having to take adderal..
 
@melak47 Good question. Though all the 14-18 core chips run at a very low frequency.
 
@Nathan lol, that is just procrastination. Pretty normal.
 
10:08 PM
Which is curious because a high-clocked chip with fewer cores isn't that much slower in throughput than the high-core chips with lower clocks.
 
sigh.. many mothers think that everything wrong with a child needs a pill..
 
And I imagine the high core count chips are harder to manufacture.
 
@Mysticial does the number of pipes play a significant role?
 
Ell
@Mysticial out of interest have you used Power8 architecture?
 
@Nathan maybe there's a pill for that ;)
 
10:10 PM
@MotokoKusanagi Pipes? Can you be more specific?
 
Ell
BTW I'm a 90s babby so idk if its really old or something
 
@Ell Power7 yes, but not 8.
 
Ell
I just know that recently there is a free as in freedom workstation coming out
With 57 cores
 
that. is an odd number
 
@Mysticial hang on, my terminology is definitely off
 
10:11 PM
adderall = legal speed
 
@sehe Probably a 64 core with 57 enabled? I can see that happening if they have trouble with yields.
 
Are you... telling @Mysticial :)
 
I'm not very well versed with regard to hardware
 
@MotokoKusanagi That's deep into the core itself. So it's somewhat irrelevant at the top level.
 
10:12 PM
@Mysticial ah ok
 
@sehe I ask for a clarification on "what" pipes.
 
Ah
 
Pipes is an overloaded word. :)
 
@sehe I'd guess it really is 64, but a few cores as used for things like system supervision, and possibly some redundancy.
 
@JerryCoffin Or just to budget for defects.
The Knights Corner Xeon Phi doesn't have a model that has all cores enabled. It goes up 61.
 
10:14 PM
@Mysticial but in theory, two pipelines can handle two threads simultaneously, while one pipeline can needs to switch? Tell me if i'm completely off regarding that
 
@molbdnilo Why not? Seems rather irrelevant. Last time I checked the types are not the same, and it makes sense to use the type that your code base requires... — sehe 14 secs ago
 
I tend to be wrong a lot
 
@MotokoKusanagi "It's complicated." - I don't mean that in the FB/relationship sense. But it really is complicated.
 
@Mysticial oh, i don't doubt that one bit
 
@Mysticial It is a big chip, so that's entirely possible. OTOH, IBM's approach to fabrication is pretty conservative (to put it mildly), so they didn't usually need to do quite so much of that sort of stuff.
 
10:16 PM
What happens in a processor is much worse than anyone's relationship status. A processor can hook up with and break up a billion things in under a second. A person can only hook up with and break with someone no more than a few times in one day?
 
Does swinging count?
I need to go to bed.
Hopefully less of a headache tomorrow.
Night all!
 
@sehe G'night, and good luck.
 
Ell
Vim gets async
 
@sehe Looks like you just added a new word to my vocabulary. Thank you.
 
Ell
About time too! (Disclaimer: not a vim user)
 
10:17 PM
And good night. :)
 
I have been watching Day9 play through The Witness game. The map/world is awesomely intricate. I would give it a best level design award if there was one.
 
user1804599
Riots in Hong Kong: youtube.com/watch?v=ysbHhsXDxg8 I hope @HubertApplebaum isn't OK.
 
I stopped dealing with hardware back when the 586 was popular
I spend a couple days cooling chips with compressed air while they installed windows 98
We would take the heat sink off and watch the install speed get cut in half or more
those were 486s tho
half of you are probably appalled, but it made refitting the school's lab so much faster
 
> I spend a couple days cooling chips with compressed air while they installed windows 98
Thats hilarious
 
it's true tho. i meant "spent"
now all i do is occasionally write crappy c code ever since i developed a mental disorder
but that's life
ok well i guess i'm boring you guys. ttyl
 
10:30 PM
this room is slow, you shouldn't expect replies right away all the time
The old gits movies were pretty cool, kinda wish they'd make stuff with animation that good these days.
 
> Baby we can't do it that fast, but we know somebody who can
I love how unstable Flashtool makes my system.
It somehow achieves at least one bluescreen per a couple of hours if on, even idle
 
Just how broken is wchar_t in linux?
 
It's not, it's an integral type, and as such cannot be "broken"
Unless we've entered a new age
 
Ell
@caps it depends what you mean by broken
 
oh, this place still exists
 
10:39 PM
@ElimGarak kek
 
Ell
I should've started lounge chat much earlier
Or not at all
My efforts are wasted :V
 
'S it even close to ready, mate?
 
Ell
They were always doomed to be I suppose
@набиячлэвэлиь no, hence I wish I'd never started it :P
Or I'd started it much earlier -> it might be close to ready
 
I (sort of) finished mine
It's shit, but still better than Discord
 
of course you think so :D
 
10:43 PM
I hate Discord with passion
 
Discord is the best
 
Ell
It sucks mayn
For me at least
It doesn't scroll to the bottom even
 
@Ell Nevermind me. Stupid question.
 
Ell
I don't think its a stupid question
I've heard people saying it sucks before
 
What I meant was "how broken is std::wstring in linux?" and then I realized it's all moot because std::string is already UTF-8 in Linux.
 
Ell
10:46 PM
Well
 
u8"asdasd"
wooo
 
its not utf8
 
it just uses char doesnt it
 
UTF-8 is octet-based
 
10:47 PM
Does string know anything about utf8?
 
Ell
No
 
Right, so then how is it utf8? I cant tell string to give me a specific codepoint or iterate along code point boundaries
 
Ell
That isn't utf8 either
That would be Unicode I think
Utf8 is an encoding
 
UTF-8 encodes Unicode as an octet sequence
 
@Prismatic char_t is UTF-8 on Linux, I think.
 
10:51 PM
why are you saying "utf8"
its just a byte
 
u8"" <- utf8 encoded byte :v
 
gr8"" <- even better
 
I wonder. can you combine these string prefixes with user-defined-literal suffixes? u8"123"s?
you can
poor string
 
u8"alotof"shit
Compared to code blocks on Discord with syntax highlighting, this is depressingly dank.
 
Ell
Mate my chat even does syntax highlighting
 
10:55 PM
u8R"~~(string :D)~~"s
C++ is great.
 
@Prismatic wut. UTF-8 encodes text as bytes
 
@Prismatic Go to sleep, mate
 
well, if you have UTF-8 encoded source files then u8 is mostly lrrelevant
Visual Studio has issues with UTF-8, but when using MSVC, you can put "msvs encoding bullshit disabling directive"
 
lol
 
It's called _UNICODE
 
11:12 PM
no, it's not enough, you also need this
Sep 17 '15 at 20:24, by milleniumbug
// MSVS ENCODING BULLSHIT DISABLING DIRECTIVE: ZAŻÓŁĆ 象形字 áéíóúüñ 🖕📶 📷 💵
 
topkek
> >tfw you still even try supporting MSVC
 
the problem is that there's no "shut up and save as UTF-8 by default", there's only "by default, save in local codepage" and "by default, save in UTF-8 if the characters can't be represented in local codepage"
 
so on my computer it saves documents in Windows-1250, otherwise known as Zdzichu 3000
 
#define 📶 ::iterator
#define 📷 std::vector
#define 💵 std::string
for(📷<💵>📶 象 = 字.begin(), etc
might as well put them to use
 
11:21 PM
surprisingly, extended identifier characters are supported better in MSVC than gcc
 
depends on which version of MSVC compiler vs which version of gcc I suspect
 
very old versions of msvc supports unicode, like vc8
circa 2005
 
user406009
Hasn't microsoft as a whole invested heavily in Unicode for quite a while?
 
@slaphappy Doesn't work
 
that's not how you make a problem statement
 
because gcc is not standard conforming
 
Isn't the Source Character Set ASCII?
 
it's actually implementation dependent, but it doesn't even support escapes so it's not standard conforming
 
11:45 PM
loungé, say you have a list view and you currently see items 50 to 60 out of 100. Then lets say some items are added to your list, above where you are currently (above 50). Do you expect the list to show the same items you were looking at, or the view to stay the same and the items to be pushed down
 
user406009
I would expect the view to stay the same.
 
@Prismatic Well, what I usually see is that the position of the items isn't updated until I refresh the view or change the range of items. So, that is what I would expect via previous experience.
 
hmm
 
hmmm, escapes are actually supported in gcc 5 coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/6922cf23074c6f57
 
@Prismatic that'd be annoying if that was happening asynchronously
what if snackchat scrolled every time a message was received even if you had scrolled up :p
 
11:57 PM
sometimes it actually happens on my mobile web browser and that annoys me to no end
 
Well the difference with snackchat is that the message received is being inserted last
 
@Prismatic nevermind the direction, mind the annoyance
 
The direction is important -- it doesn't make any sense to scroll when you add something to the end of a list
But say you were looking at your inbox, where new messages are at the top
And you're half way down the list... should the list change at all if you receive a new message?
 

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