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2:00 AM
I know this isn't the right chat room for this question but the rooms have no one in them at the moment....Is it possible to have Amazon products linked to a referral link in a mobile app just like in a web page?
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@HubertApplebaum lol those shots at poor Andrew
 
Jan 30 '15 at 2:30, by Borgleader
"Hi I have a question about my retirement fund"
"Sir this is a convenience store..."
"I know but it's the only thing open at this hour"
 
I was timing it
 
@HubertApplebaum I know the guy is quite capable, but on occasion he bunkers down into a kind of very frustrating, wrong-headed stubborness
 
star of shaaaame
 
2:02 AM
Similar but also very different. Thanks anyway
 
@LucDanton I'm not sure who he is?
 
Paul
 
@HubertApplebaum You don't know THE pfultz2?
 
oh paul fultz
 
@Rapptz i dont, should i?
 
@Rapptz lmao
 
@Borgleader Not really.
@HubertApplebaum 2spooky4me
 
@HubertApplebaum ...why do you have a link to the post-dispatch?
 
anyway no I don't know this paul fultz thing
 
@Borgleader He made libraries such as Linq, Pythy and something he keeps shamelessly advertising called Tick.
 
2:06 AM
the parasite you mean
 
> Tick/doc/html/
should be Tick/toc.html
 
his Linq library is actually cool though
I think it is semi-clever usage of macro abuse
 
> semi-clever
says how much you like the guy
 
pls
 
2:09 AM
the bigger the hands, the bigger the back-hands
 
@Rapptz so he's a C# guy mostly?
or do you mean linq like C++ stuff?
 
Linq is a C++ lib
 
oh i think ive seen this one before
its kinda cool
 
it is
the way he implemented the linq keywords is nice
 
@Borgleader semi-cool to be precise
 
> It also dedcues the type held
 
implementing a preprocessor must be painful
 
@LucDanton makes me wonder about he underhands
 
niebler's range library has quite a bit of overlap with this no? (I mean in terms of some of the operations you can do and the lazyness of some of them?)
 
Yes.
 
2:14 AM
this lib is from 2012.
it predates eric's library by 2 years.
I watched his talks about his ranges in CppCon or something
and I still don't like them
 
anyway, the GCC concepts implementation is okay although obviously incomplete and a WIP
 
I like how python does ranges
 
but most of all it’s experimental so bitching about it is pointless, rude, and stupid
@Rapptz eeeeeh it’s a bit wonky
are you thinking of the indexing syntax
 
no
I guess I don't like ranges per se.
 
@Rapptz oh sure, im not debating that at all, what i mean is, this is cool, and it overlaps much with nieblers stuff which is being considered for standardisation. so we'll (hopefully) get cool stuff in the standard :)
 
2:17 AM
I love C#'s Linq
 
I like how easy it is to pass stuff in and compose
 
It's essentially Haskell's comprehensions anyway
 
it really annoys me that cloning is entirely out, it makes for some silly pessimistic caching/buffering
 
@Borgleader idk still don't really like Niebler's ranges.
 
I like Python's range indexing syntax; it makes bimaps super neat.
 
2:18 AM
although I always get a good chuckle out of the fact that zip(* is unzip and chain(* is concatenation
 
foo[:bar] vs. foo[bar:]
 
... Fuck me, what if the return types are different?
Fffffffffff.
 
what I want
is yield
 
Feb 3 at 3:49, by Luc Danton
you have such an async boner
 
naw
generators m8
 
2:20 AM
cmon
 
@Rapptz you'll get that when the coroutine stuff gets in
 
it would be shiny
 
so sexy
 
semi-sexy you mean
 
> sexy
 
2:20 AM
well you'll get co_yield cuz ~~breaking changes~~ is bad
 
not the same type of yield
 
how not?
 
also after reading 10 papers about coroutines
I don't think that'll make it
 
@Rapptz What you really want is yield from.
 
I'm like 80% sure Chris K's proposal will make it in
 
2:21 AM
Asio with executors?
 
is chris k the asio guy
 
The main group they want to appease with the coroutine stuff is the networking guys and if the networking guys don't want it then it probably won't make it.
 
@Rapptz vs2015 has <experimental/generator> not sure if its the same thing as what youre reffering to
 
Yeah the asio guy.
 
anyway, bbiab, shower
 
2:22 AM
k
 
@Rapptz but my joek
 
@Rapptz TBH I don't think it'll make it either
I have a feeling
That C++17 is gonna be shitty
 
it is going to be shitty
C++14 is better
 
C++17 isn't gonna have as many things as we would like it to :(
 
I think the whole "minor" "major" thing they were going for completely flopped.
 
2:23 AM
do you really dislike concepts or something ._.
I thought I was going to be the one going against the grain and be all reserved about it
 
No reflection at all, maybe std::source_location if we're lucky.
 
@LucDanton Does that include concept based overloading
I don't remember if Concepts Lite has it
If it doesn't then idc about it
 
I think it has.
 
@Morwenn wow wow wow wow
 
Yeah idk man I just want C++ to be nicer to use.
Concepts is good btw
 
2:25 AM
@Rapptz it’s nearly all it does, the whole point of it
the other thing is expressing requirements
 
but I want something I didn't emulate before
or something that was a total pain in the ass to emulate
 
requires requires
 
like reflection
not even fancy run-time reflection
 
Honestly, I only wait templates to implement sentinels in my library.
 
@Rapptz oh I guess I consider the coroutines we have right now an emulation of sorts, which is why I’m in no hurry to see them in the language—the same as with concepts-lite really
 
2:27 AM
C++11 std::type_index, so gret.
 
I read way too many coroutine papers to the point where it ruined C++17 for me lol
maybe it was a mistake
Chris K's coroutines make me sad
 
I certainly am glad I’m not reading everything that’s proposed/talk about as I used to do
it’s not just a matter of volume, there’s something else
 
The detection toolkit is pretty neat for a library feature.
 
there aren't as many papers proposed anymore
 
@Morwenn What's making the proposal writers for reflection hold up for C++17?
 
2:29 AM
No, there are many papers, but not as many of them are about new funky features.
 
The Reflection SG is dead.
It might as well not exist.
 
@ThePhD The design space is open and there is no obvious good choise.
 
@Rapptz I’m not sure what you mean; there are more papers submitted at all (which is what I was alluding to)
 
@Morwenn I check /files/papers/ quite often
 
The Numeric library seems to be living-dead.
 
2:30 AM
@LucDanton I think this might be something I notice because I check a lot.
 
The obvious good choice is compile-time-reflection where people can selectively serialize / vomit what traits they want.
 
RIP C++
Rust is the new overlord
 
Back then I used to check it like once a month and I'd get like ~20 papers.
 
@Rapptz I'm always waiting for a new mailing.
 
I meant the things formally accepted by WG21
 
2:31 AM
There are much more small papers about wording and small things than before.
For example, every paper I ever proposed were about smallish things.
 
yeah
I don't care too much about those though
 
Also, there are many more revised papers than before: many papers, but not many new things.
 
@HubertApplebaum c++ will never rip
 
this always irritated me a little lol
this isn't a paper friend-o
 
Which address for this page?
 
Thanks :)
 
yeah lol
Thanks Herb.
Herb is my new scapegoat.
 
how2wobsite
 
Ell
That's really frickin annoying
File a defect report
 
2:35 AM
lmao
will concepts even make it to C++17
[–]some_random_guy_5345 H 1 point 8 hours ago
rip biicode :(
there's at least one person out there mourning for biicode
 
People seem to be pushing for concepts for C++17.
 
what language features are we getting
outside of Concepts™
 
... fold expressions ...
 
oh yeah
what else
 
__has_include
Less broken inherited constructors.
 
2:40 AM
that's C++14 @ __has_include
 
Nope, that's not in the standard.
Also, noexcept part of the type system for shit and giggle.
 
wait what
ew
 
Well, yeah.
static_assert without an explicit error message.
typename in a template template parameter, lol.
Finding relevant core features is hard.
Oh, nested namespaces.
But that's pretty much it.
Also std::invocation_type needs language support FWIW.
 
b o r i n g
@LucDanton so m8 you gonna join us on discord?
 
Yep. I like nested namespace though.
 
2:46 AM
yeah it's nice
they're all minor features
but they are ok
just too boring for something hyped up like C++17
 
@Morwenn dafuq is that
 
it's ancient
it checks if you can include a file
 
borken
 
It comes from Clang.
 
o.O
 
2:47 AM
...was there a time you couldn't include a file?
 
it was meant to be added in C++14
and for intents and purposes, it might as well be in C++14
because GCC 5.x supported it
 
Ell
Wtf Facebook
 
It's a preprocessor directive.
 
@Ell what did it do this time?
 
Ell
I don't give a flying fuck about anything written in The Independent
 
2:48 AM
@Rapptz is it important?
 
idgits (nsfw, for some small values of nsfw)
 
@LucDanton we have emojis :3
 
so does this chat 🍆🍆🍆🍆
 
lol the invite link stickied expires in 14 hours
 
@Borgleader ...how, exactly were they planning that to pan out?
 
2:51 AM
@Rapptz joking aside I like it here and I don’t feel a need to branch out elsewhere so I’m not sure what I’m missing on
 
you're not missing out on anything don't worry
 
owell
Can't say I didn't try though
 
@jaggedSpire this could not go well, this was probably the best of possible outcomes he was clearly not going fast enough to clear him/her which means if he lifted off he'd land on him/her which would have been worse.
 
> note: template argument deduction/substitution failed:
 
@Borgleader fair 'nuff
 
2:53 AM
My lazy bum chickens sun baking ..
 
@LucDanton but how did it fail
 
nobody knows
 
@LucDanton tbh I'm surprised you don't use it considering how popular it is for guilds in MMOs
 
@Rapptz yeah I’ve been asking myself the same thing :/
 
The WoW server in Discord is one of the biggest ones.
 
2:54 AM
@jaggedSpire hence: idgits
 
@TelkittytheWebDeveloper :3
 
things to consider is that I try to avoid pick-up play, and the organised things I join have been running Mumble/TS from before Discord was out
 
@Borgleader heh
@Morwenn :3
 
if they’d switch I’d follow through
the things we run with friends well we use the usual suspect which is where I’m having second-thoughts
 
@Morwenn I know, right? :p
 
2:58 AM
> no_intereference_v
 
@LucDanton s/where/why/
 
@LucDanton is this the 80s
 
@HubertApplebaum no we’re in the current decades
> error: cannot convert 'no_interference<Type, Init>' to 'const bool' in initialization
that’s interesting, I’m using std::conjunction here
 
@LucDanton va voir un ophtalmo
 
3:04 AM
@Borgleader don't let the pirate see
 
@thecoshman
 
@HubertApplebaum you monster rebel, you
 
is there a REQUIRE_NOTHROW_ASSIGNMENT or something in Catch
forced out params
thanks fam
 
interesting, I’m still migrating some constraints to concepts and I’ve hit this
 
@Rapptz not that I know of
 
3:06 AM
i.e. the old-style 'works', the newfangled requirements complain
 
oh, I like that alias
nice and short
 
ugh... time for bed. its monday tomorrow
 
@jaggedSpire it’s simplified from the actual thing though
 
@Borgleader have fun
 
3:09 AM
@jaggedSpire thx, I'll have fun temporarily not being :P
 
@Borgleader :P
 
cus what happens with concepts is that GCC complains of a loop
i.e. to determine whether or not fancy can be init'd from Arg, it needs to know if fancy can be init’d from Arg
which you know, fair game
no clue why it works in the other case
 
now, how do I prevent a fancy(Arg&&) constructor from interfering with the copy constructor in a sensible manner? cc @Xeo
 
thoughts on this
this is where I left off before having to do other things
it's just an extended version of the canonical_schema
 
3:14 AM
seems cromulent
 
k
 
is there a context in which direct ref binding can take place, but binding to temporary cannot?
direct binding is e.g. base const& ref = derived; // no temporary
oh right strip const and do the thing
 
rip carolina
 
the Broncos won? :D
ah.
not yet, but it seems difficult to come back from 10-24 in the 4th quarter
 
@jaggedSpire YAY DENVER
 
3:26 AM
@Nooble indeed :)
 
> struct unqualified: std::remove_cv<std::remove_reference<Type>> {};
spot the bug
 
_t please
 
same thang
you got the idea you pedant
 
@HubertApplebaum no yours is bugged because you didn’t put typename first
that’s how you pedant
 
3:31 AM
can't outpedant you
 
is_directly_bindable_from<To, From> = is_convertible_from<To, From> && is_constructible<unqual<To>&, unqual<From>&>;
well first of all I should be using is_constructible
 
constexpr is_unreadable_garbage_written_by_luc = probaby_true;
 
yeah okay that seems plausible as a trait
> error: invalid use of incomplete type 'std::conditional<true…
yes I’m sure
> [ skipping 26 instantiation contexts, use -ftemplate-backtrace-limit=0 to disable ]
:|
@HubertApplebaum constexpr tribool … pls
explicit some_wrapper(Init&& init) requires ExplicitConstructor<some_wrapper, value_type, Init>;
anyone up for bikeshedding the constraint/concept/requirement, changing the parameter order is allowed
 
3:46 AM
I for one think the word 'concept' to describe the proposal is unfitting and feel like we should spend a large amount of time discussing what to officially call them
 
@Prismatic oh no
 
I’m also not sure which case to pick, it’s definitively not a concept in the concept bool Foo sense, but it’s not a trait either; it’s a refactored bundle of requirements with a precise semantic
eh I’ll leave PascalCase out of it
 
4:05 AM
oh yeah concepts-lite allows to write expression requirements
but no statement requirements yet
i.e. is_constructible is still not obvious to write
// This form should be simplified by a single expression:
// ::delete ::new _Tp(declval<_Arg>()), see c++/51222.
right
how come int to double is narrowing again?
 
is it?
sounds like a bug tbh
 
@Rapptz no m8 it’s in the standard
 
something something non-constant expressions
 
@HubertApplebaum indeed
 
the standard can have bugs too
 
4:16 AM
> A narrowing conversion is an implicit conversion
> — from a floating-point type to an integer type, or
 
smh
#disgusted
 
my god I never noticed they use em-dashes for their lists
that’s the real #disgusted
oh wait
that’s wrong way around
 
:faceluc:
 
investigating /cc @Borgleader @ElimGarak @Ell @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @Xeo @набиячлэвэлиь
 
it’s two bullet points down my bad
I was wondering why there was no constant-expression exception lol
> from an integer type or unscoped enumeration type to a floating-point type, except where the source is a constant expression and the actual value after conversion will fit into the target type and will produce the original value when converted back to the original type, or
 
4:19 AM
@LucDanton It's just \item in LaTeX
Fairly standard fam.
Pun unintended.
 
Anglo-saxon typographers are literally the worst
 
yesterday the discord devs told me that 72% of connections made from discord bots are using discord.py
that's p. good
 
muh ego
now make a fee per connection
 
4:21 AM
okay I’m not crazy French typography traditionally uses an en-dash (–)
 
no ego here friend-o
 
why so defensive of your eg-o
 
leggo my eggo
 
I should have done it sooner but why not have a nice uneval namespace for e.g. uneval::declval (completely redundant with std::declval, sure) but also uneval::accept<foo>({ test, for, non-direct-list-init })
where did I put decltemp
and do I nieblerize them
yes
 
Oh the proposed get_path function has the same issues as operator[].
 
4:32 AM
where is that from
 
oh right sorry
it was in discord
 
lmao
more passive-aggressiveness
 
@HubertApplebaum how2do
legit accident promise
it's hard to keep track of ALL THESE TABS
 
kinda why I want to stick to the one chat
 
good reversal
 
4:34 AM
that's why I just wanna close this one
 
rude
I’m hurt
 
but I'm staying 4u
and the rest who didn't move yet like Mysticial
but really
how2do
 
replace map with something else really
 
I don't think that's the problem
 
you're the expert
 
4:37 AM
is this a get_path(json, "key", moar, key) = value deal
 
I am
I use auto&&
@LucDanton 2fancy4me
he proposed get_path("some.key[7]")
 
crystal ball sez 'fuk u m8'
 
variadic version would be easier though
 
I don't care about syntax
 
anyway the operator[] 'problem' to begin with is syntax cuteness for setting right
 
4:38 AM
just object access and array access
 
4:50 AM
aw checking for direct-bindability still seems to trip GCC somehow
 
5:16 AM
> internal compiler error: Segmentation fault (program cc1plus)
noice
> prereqs not found for pass pass_indent at /home/mickk/local/bin/creduce line 275.
creduce pls
 
5:45 AM
I think I’m hitting a rough patch caused by the abi:cxx11 GCC 5 change
yep, object file has U clang::DeclarationName::getAsString[abi:cxx11]() const, library has T clang::DeclarationName::getAsString() const
CXXFLAGS="-D_GLIBCXX_USE_CXX11_ABI=0" ./configure … did it
back to reducing
template <typename Type> concept bool Concept = requires { Type{0}; };
struct foo {
  typename foo(Init) requires Concept<foo> {
    foo {
that’s one weird segfault
 

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