« first day (1945 days earlier)      last day (2996 days later) » 

9:00 PM
@Morwenn ew
 
<3
 
@Morwenn the man on the left seem to be clapping slowly
 
> When u bout to die but u start singing n clapping cuz life sucked anyway
 
"goodeth job arthur thou turneth us into memeses"
 
> When you're about to die but you have one more kamehameha left in you.
 
9:04 PM
> When you're about to die but you're wearing 10 bricks of C4 and a heart rate monitor
 
@Puppy just use 7355608?
 
can't fail
 
@FeaRCODE He said a lot. Nowadays, 16 GB is pretty pedestrian. Get at least a terabyte of RAM, and then we can talk.
 
@Morwenn wut
 
@slaphappy Classical Art Memes
Best Facebook page.
 
9:14 PM
 
Cute :D
 
@Morwenn full moment here youtube.com/watch?v=fn_YyiS5im8
may not be that cute until the end
 
Still cute :p
 
nice
 
9:18 PM
fuckin' Dell
it's been a week and my order is still in production
how hard can it be to put my address on a box
 
Xeo
did you order a premade Dell PC or something?
 
think it's a laptop but why order from dell directly, no retailers around you?
 
Xeo
Dell is overpriced, last thing I knew
 
it was cheaper than the other retail offers I could find
@Xeo Certainly not.
it was an Ultrabook
 
Xeo
mh
 
9:23 PM
overpriced or not I'd buy a dell or a lenovo too
what else is there
acer?
I'd be choosing sony if they didn't remove vaio :<
sony were the only ones making laptops as pretty as macs
 
blech
I've used Macs at work and I did not think they were anything special
 
@Puppy same, i used them for an entire semester
did not like the experience, also XCode is shit
 
yep
 
user406009
I find that Macs tend to be better than Windows if you want good command line support.
 
user406009
And their battery life tends to be quite good relative to other laptops.
 
9:38 PM
just in case, I meant the design
I too couldn't get used to OS X
and xcode was abysmal found no way to hide warnings properly
 
user406009
Yeah, I never got really used to OS X's window handling either.
 
and the project had hundreds of them
 
@Borgleader I find that offensive. It's insulting and demeaning to feces.
 
when it would expand warnings I'd weep
 
@JerryCoffin Its insulting to feces, you find that offensive... I see you have high self esteeem<
 
user406009
9:39 PM
@AlexM. Perhaps you should try writing non-shit code that doesn't produce warnings :P
 
@Lalaland thanks, it wasn't mine
you want to work at Epic right?
expect the same kind of code
 
user406009
No.
 
user406009
I am a student.
 
user406009
I was trying to get a summer internship at Epic at one point.
 
right
 
user406009
9:41 PM
But they rejected me.
 
@Lalaland Epic fail!
 
well don't go too crazy with the "try writing non-shit code" because you'll hit walls as soon as you get out of this chatroom
 
@Lalaland I had to say it! Otherwise somebody else would have!
 
@Borgleader Indeed I do. The primary intent of mankind is to convert wine into urine and steak into feces, isn't it?
4
 
user406009
@AlexM. I've done some work at Facebook and in my local universities CS research labs.
 
user406009
9:42 PM
Some of that academic code ...
 
to be fair you probably don't want to make it too easy to hide warnings
 
@JerryCoffin and produce more of the same kind to continue doing that, yes
 
user406009
@AlexM. And yes, I totally understand how the possibility of regressions can make refactoring extremely costly.
 
I wanted to hide warnings
 
user406009
Still, I thought it was worth a joke.
 
9:45 PM
@TelkittytheWebDeveloper That's not really our purpose. We're just an accidental by-product of eggs creating more eggs (or maybe that's sperm creating more sperm--or both).
 
@slaphappy because Xcode would hang when expanding said warnings
and it would sometimes crash
@Lalaland tbh there are a bunch of factors other than that
but the "don't write shit code" attitude itself is kinda bad and should not be taken out of this chatroom
IRL people especially your coworkers are unlikely to take it as easy as someone here
the backlash can come much later
Xcode was not my primary coding IDE thankfully, I'd always do the actual dev on Windows and build & test on Android first
 
I'm enjoying using a MacBook pro with CLion. Compilation environment is a linux VM.
 
I'd only move to iOS exactly when needed but sometimes I had to change code and boy did the warnings piss me off
 
@AlexM. oh wow xcode sucks that's news ^^
 
I want that:
template<...>
struct foobar;

template<typename T>
struct foobar<T> { /* ... */ };

template<int(*fptr)(int)>
struct foobar<fptr> { /* ... */ };
 
9:48 PM
box it @Morwenn
 
dox it
 
always box everything in type parameters
 
@Lalaland one other attitude common to this chatroom that you may not want to take with you to your workplace
 
Yeah but it's ugly when you force users of your library to use std::integral_constant and friends.
 
is the "don't ask solve your own problems" thing
when you're slow your team is slow and your project is slow, try to find a balance
don't be a vampire but don't stay months in limbo trying something that someone might've done in the past and can solve in 5 seconds if you ask them
^ I found that hardest to do tbh ymmv
 
user1804599
9:51 PM
kbox it
 
Right, finding that balance is something I'm currently unable to do.
 
I think it's a silly combination of pride and past experience of community backlash
I can't really explain it
but I find it to be difficult to ask someone for help
 
@Morwenn Don't you need template <> struct foobar<int(*)(int)> { }; then? Or am I wrong about the syntax?
 
I never did before but I also can't endanger the project
 
user406009
@AlexM. For interest's sake, what are the other factors you had in mind that would advocate for not refactoring? Other than the obvious time cost.
 
9:53 PM
@wilx I want to be able to call it with either foobar<&std::abs> or foobar<some_type>, which isn't possible with the current language rules.
 
user406009
Also, is it just me, or is the catch library build site down? builds.catch-lib.net
 
@Morwenn Yeah. You would have to split it somehow.
 
@MadameElyse hey
 
user1804599
hi
 
@Lalaland not sure if you count it as time cost but different things have different priorities
 
9:54 PM
@Morwenn normally you don't. I have stuff like template_box<T<>> etc
 
refactoring are still code submissions and must be reviewed etc.
 
@wilx I could also write a proposal, the 10 follow-ups, go to committee meetings to present it, learn how to implement it in a compiler, and ultimtely cry when the committee rejects it in 2023 for obscure reasons.
 
it also feels wrong when everyone is trying their hardest to fix bugs or implement features for you to come with something that could've been postponed so it's also the matter of you feeling bad
 
@Morwenn :D
@Morwenn They would probably reject it much sooner. :)
 
9:55 PM
@Morwenn foobar_c would be the boost way
 
normally refactoring is covered by tech debts
which get taken care of in their own phase
 
@Morwenn send it to me, I can reject it faster than them
 
just follow the boy scout rule and try to write the best code you can at any moment
 
user406009
@milleniumbug Oh, I see. They switched to travis but forgot to update the links in their tutorial. I wonder if I should submit a pull request or something.
 
@slaphappy Nah, basically I just want the language to accept what I want to do.
@milleniumbug I'll snd you a gf. She'll be the one rejecting you :D
 
9:56 PM
@Morwenn who doesn't :p
 
user1804599
Use Rust.
 
it's kinda hard to explain more but at the end of the day
 
@Morwenn wow that would mean that I'd have a gf while she's in transit. that would be the first time
 
user1804599
@slaphappy will you be my valentine
 
it all boils down to working with other people
 
9:58 PM
@Lalaland possibly probably
 
you either flow in the general direction or the opposite, figure which one is best
 
@MadameElyse sure. what does that entail
 
user1804599
:D
 
user1804599
sex
 
you're coming on a little strong :p
 
10:00 PM
Just noticed that ASCII groups stuff on 16/32/64 boundaries. Readable characters start at 32. Numbers start at 48. Uppercase letters are in the 64-95 range. Lower case letters are in the 96 to 128 range.
 
user1804599
> Are you ready to operate, doctor?

I'd love to, but I first have to perform surgery.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked And adding a space to an uppercase letter makes it lowercase.
 
@MadameElyse Cool!
 
this is so you can recognise stuff by bit operations
quite clever
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked There are only two uppercase letters?!
 
10:02 PM
ops
 
user1804599
>>> chr(ord('A') + ord(' '))
'a'
 
> Toshl Has Been Reborn
To give your finances another life.
lol 2011 calls
 
user1804599
ASCII comes from a time when software developers still thought about things before doing them.
 
and toupper and tolower can be done in a single instruction thanks to it
 
sry toshl but I use money lover now
 
10:03 PM
@MadameElyse \ plus space is | :D
 
@MadameElyse now there's javascript.
 
lol markdown
 
user1804599
@slaphappy Exactly.
 
How do I write a backslash between backticks here?
 
Xeo
hahaha
\
 
10:04 PM
@StackedCrooked this made keyboards easier to implement.
 
@Xeo backtick backspace space backtick?
 
user406009
@AlexM. Yep. Sounds pretty similar to my past internship experiences. There is a lot of tension between getting something done now, or spending a lot of time to do it "nicely".
 
@Xeo Since chrome inspector shows: <code>\ </code>
 
@Lalaland That's like all programming jobs.
 
@StackedCrooked `\`
 
10:07 PM
@Lalaland time is not as important as it seems
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked ye
 
`\`
 
working on the important things is the most important part
 
Hmm....
 
sometimes refactoring is just not important enough to fit
 
10:07 PM
\
 
Not using backticks is easiest of all. Nobody will notice the lack of programmer font.
 
\
 
@StackedCrooked Just use `\\`
 
you can probably link to time here but I find the idea that "we could fit refactoring but there are other more important things that we could be doing" to be slightly different from "we could fit refactoring but there's not enough time"
 
@StackedCrooked bt bt bt backslash bt bt bt seems to work :)
 
10:08 PM
@AlexM. IME sometimes effort, or risk, is more the issue than time
 
yes that is true
 
user1804599
/
 
I wouldn't exactly like to start any large refactoring job that's for sure, unless it was the main priority for everyone
so I could get proper reviews and more brains on it
 
user1804599
Saliva is really cool stuff.
 
@wilx \
Cool!
 
user1804599
10:11 PM
It's not sticky, it's edible, it flows really well, helps cleaning wounds, and it dries without leaving stains.
 
Xeo
So... water.
 
saliva is kinda sticky
 
user1804599
@Xeo Water causes wood to rot. It certainly isn't edible. Also it doesn't clean wounds very well.
 
man I love bitbucket's free stuff
 
Xeo
What.
 
10:18 PM
I can host my code and track todos all in one
for free
 
user406009
The 5 collaborator limit does get to be a pain though.
 
yea it's just for me, >5 is probably bad
I'd be forced to use dropbox otherwise
thanks bitbucket
you the man
 
user406009
@AlexM. You could just use github.
 
private repos cost $$ on github
 
user1804599
use gitgud.io
 
user406009
10:22 PM
@AlexM. Eh, I find that private repos aren't too useful.
 
user406009
Most things can be public.
 
user406009
(Unless they are work related, in which case you can't host it anywhere anyways)
 
eeeh I'd rather people didn't see my code unless I specifically wanted it to be public
I write things for myself, and I want those backed up
and besides, hosting everything that I write on github would just be polluting its repo list
most if not all of it is useless to the general public
 
user1804599
Bender Bending Rodriguez
 
I'll post my emulator to github once it's done
there are no full system emulators in haskell that I know of so it might prove useful to people depending on how it turns out
there's a 6502 (CPU) emulator by one guy who called his project Neskell even though it's not a NES emulator, just an emulator for its cpu
he just took the name like that, sonovabitch
 
10:29 PM
meanwhile github name suggestions are like "how about Fuzzy Potato"
 
happy weekend, everyone
 
I have no work next week
wheeee
 
happy nine-day weekend, Puppy
 
holy shit @Morwenn was right, MinGW's std::random_device outputs the same numbers every time it's run
5
I couldn't believe it, I had to run it myself
 
I think that's possibly leeeeegit
 
10:40 PM
wot
nooo
 
if I remember correctly, they had big problems trying to enforce that the system could provide true randomness
 
why would you implement it like that
hash the fuckin' time at least
 
user1804599
Prelude> :t (.).(.)
(.).(.) :: (b -> c) -> (a -> a1 -> b) -> a -> a1 -> c
Prelude> :t (.).(.).(.)
(.).(.).(.)
  :: (b -> c) -> (a -> a1 -> a2 -> b) -> a -> a1 -> a2 -> c
Prelude> :t (.).(.).(.).(.)
(.).(.).(.).(.)
  :: (b -> c)
     -> (a -> a1 -> a2 -> a3 -> b) -> a -> a1 -> a2 -> a3 -> c
 
user1804599
This is so awesome.
 
In other news, my seed11::seed_device already works better than it
 
user1804599
10:41 PM
@milleniumbug lol
 
@milleniumbug excellent job
 
@milleniumbug you should get hired by mingw
 
well, it's a trivial thing they could have done themselves
 
and yet they didn't
 
user1804599
Use open instead of fopen for less indirection and more speed.
 
user1804599
10:45 PM
Also don't use assert to check results of I/O operations. assert is to detect bugs only.
 
@MadameElyse this goes on my todo list, I thought std::random_device::operator() can't throw, but it turns out it can
@MadameElyse not sure how it actually improves things, but I'll look into it
 
user1804599
@milleniumbug Of course it can. :p
 
user1804599
Reading /dev/urandom can fail, for example on misconfigured systems.
 
user1804599
You could look into the RDRAND instruction, too.
 
11:05 PM
Seriously though that fucking accent.
 
Ven
Yo
 
@EtiennedeMartel Is he italian?
 
@Shoe Montréal tabarnack.
I thought that was obvious.
 
I think I've heard an italian expression in there
@EtiennedeMartel What does he say here?
 
@Shoe "C'était malade" (litterally, "it was sick")
 
11:12 PM
Oh
In italian is "Siete malati" which is pronounced the same way and results in "It's sick"
 
Belladonna
n. In Italian a beautiful lady; in English a deadly poison. A striking example of the essential identity of the two tongues.
@JohannesSchaub-litb Guise...err...Guy.
 
what does "essential identity" mean in that sentence?
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb Means the two are essentially the same.
 
hm
but beautifyul lady and deadly poison is radically different
or is it a joke
 
11:18 PM
@JohannesSchaub-litb He was saying beautiful women were a deadly poison (and yes, sort of a joke). OTOH, he died in a duel over a lady's honor...
 
@JerryCoffin ikr
 
hey
 
Witch
n. (1) Any ugly and repulsive old woman, in a wicked league with the devil. (2) A beautiful and attractive young woman, in wickedness a league beyond the devil.
 
hey
 
has anyone seen @Mysticial lately
 
11:20 PM
yes
 
omg is mysticial dead
> last seen 5h ago
Jesus slappy, you scared the shit out of me
 
@Shoe No. Dead (MG) is dead.
 
@JerryCoffin are they deadly because they make men cheat on their chicks?
BTW i'm getting a chromecast device probably. anyone has one and can report on whether it's useful?
 
@Shoe you scare easily. that was just a laid back summoning.
 
You should have said something like "Is @Mysticial around?"
When people ask if anyone has seen X lately is often because they suddenly stopped coming in for days or months and people are getting worried
 
11:25 PM
@JohannesSchaub-litb It can only stream from google chrome's window and a handful of other google-only products: it's not a general screen caster. If you have a phone with Chrome on it you can also connect that to the Chromecaster as well.
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb I don't think he ever said exactly why he was so negative about young women. OTOH, he did say something about "the chains of marriage are so heavy it takes two to carry them (and sometimes three)."
 
@ThePhD i thought you can mirror your android and iOS screen to your TV with it?
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb Yes, with the App. Not sure about iOS, but I know the Android phone may support general capture of the phone screen. But if you're using it for the PC it's Chrome-only stuff.
IIRC the app has to explicitly support it or something.
 
@ThePhD ah i see. I only wanna use it for the mobiles and tablets
for the PC i got HDMI
@ThePhD can you recommend an alternative? i'm not so familiar with this topic
 
I can't; I don't know anything that streams well from Phones except that, as it's the only thing I've tried (and only for a brief time; my brother is the one who uses it bunches and he seems to like it).
 
11:28 PM
@ThePhD a friend did spot it in the living room of another friend and was all crazy about it and said i should get one too
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb Only if you REALLY want what's on your tablet / phone on your TV screen or monitor.
 
yeah that's what i'm after. and i hear it's realtime
without delay
 
Indeed.
Setup is also p. easy too.
You need a generally good wireless network though.
 
got 5G and 2.4G
ac
 
ISP gives you how many MBps?
 
11:30 PM
doesn'T matter, it doesn't flow through the internets
ISP gives me 14/8MBps
 
Kinky.
 
goodly kinky or badly kinky?
 
It does matter if you wanna stream something like Netflixto the Chromecast, which is subject to that ISP limit, but you've got enough.
So you're basically all set, so long aslike 10 people don't live with you like they do in my house and all are constantly watching vidya and stuff.
 
well it's just enough
it can't get any slower otherwise fullhd won't work anymore. i think fullhd needs something like 10/8MBps at a bare minimum
@ThePhD ah the internet Url streaming stuff will be done by my kodi on the raspberry box. i will only use thechromecast to mirror my phone / tablet
 
Then you're all set. \o/
 
11:33 PM
cool
 
I don't remember how much Chromecast costs, though.
So I have no idea if it's worth it for the price. ;;
 
39 euros ><
 
Not... the most expensive thing for a person who has a job.
Assuming kids and shit aren't in the way.
 
Chromecast is pretty cool
 
11:34 PM
the protocol is also open
 
the price of a nice toaster
 
@Link Oh hey, you're back.
 
actually slightly more expensive
 
Did you solve that linked list stuff?
 
yea I got it
 
11:35 PM
Good.
 
you can even implement your own chromecast device... as long as apps don't care about your device being signed by google (as far as I understand it..)
@Link does it work for ipad mirroring?
 
holy crap the most annoying thing when you're a guy just has to be when you pee and the pee decides to do a spiral thing
 
i wonder whether chromecast can also stream its output to kodi. so i only need to use kodi and not another interface
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb I don't have an ipad, so I'm not sure.
 
Xeo
@AlexM. Well then don't teach your pee circus tricks, duh.
 
11:36 PM
Hi, I have uh a pre-processer question: I'm doing #DEFINE REX(x) tier_ ## x, however when I try to pass it a number like int i = 0;, I want the REX(i) to come out to tier_0, yet it becomes tier_i instead, what is wrong with it?
I tried doing REX((i)) as well
But that didn't work either.
 
Xeo
questions are for Stack Overflow
 
it's not possible
go back to your book and read the chapter on preprocessor
 
@milleniumbug Huh.
 
> >how do I turn a run-time verbol into preprocessor literal
 
Xeo
*verbibol
 
11:37 PM
Okay that makes sense then.
 
silly chat doesn't show a preview ^^
 
@HubertApplebaum @Borgleader The performance battles begin:
My C++ object member call is SO fucking slow.
 
11:59 PM
@ThePhD unit of measurement? :p
 
ms
 

« first day (1945 days earlier)      last day (2996 days later) »