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12:01 AM
@Mysticial Do you analyze your router logs or inspect your traffic in some other way?
 
user406009
I wouldn't trust anything Windows tells you about connections.
 
@Lalaland My router assures me there are no unauthorized connections to Redmond being made. Oh look, it's running Windows embedded... :-)
 
@Lalaland With 3rd party tools. But there's some traffic that's difficult to separate out since I still have to whitelist DHCP or nothing will work.
I don't think blocking Telemetry is a violation of the TOS. But I know blocking Windows Updates is.
 
std::random_device is broken with MinGW so I use std::time(0) to initialize my RNGs, but maybe I can initialize RNGs with std::random_device{}() ^ std::time(0) to get std::random_device when it's not borken but still std::time(0) otherwise?
 
If MS doesn't like me blocking Windows Updates, they can go fuck themselves.
It's my computer, I'm the one in control. (or at least try to be)
 
user406009
12:05 AM
I really wonder why companies do shitty things like this. Is it maliciousness or just incompetence.
 
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Like I really wonder about stuff like Facebook's Internet.org.
 
@Lalaland I think the correct answer is mostly arrogance, or at least condescension--but given the technical level of most users, it's entirely justified a lot more often than not. That said, making it a policy that you must update when they tell you to is a bit overreaching, to put it mildly.
 
@Mysticial you didn't try to... use your own computer how you want to, did you?
 
@thecoshman I am now. I had to (forcibly) disable a shit-ton of stuff in Win10 before it became suitable for my uses.
 
@Mysticial Blocking windows update violates TOS? what kind of bullshit is that
 
12:11 AM
I spent a week sandboxing Win10 on a spare boot drive to test a lot of stuff out before I had a configuration that I liked.
@Borgleader It is. They state it very clearly.
 
@Mysticial why not linux? isn't that generally easier to to access the hardware with?
 
@Mysticial State what? That it violates TOS or that its bullshit?
 
@Borgleader yeah, it's one thing to state it's generally stupid to do so
but then, their updates tend to be rather... nuclear
 
@thecoshman I use both. But you'll be surprised at how much that statement isn't always true.
 
"oops, we had the wrong default permissions on that file, so here's a program that hogs 4GB of ram to ensure it's always correct"
 
12:14 AM
@Borgleader Something along the lines of, "By using Windows you agree to accept updates, blah, blah..."
 
@Mysticial well... it's fairly binary, either linux is generally easier to access the hardware... or it's not.
 
@HubertApplebaum these days
 
@thecoshman wow I'm so proud of the human technology, what a time to be living in!
 
@Borgleader ... Bullet for my...
@milleniumbug finally, some recognition now to post a pair of boobes and head to bed.
 
@thecoshman Generally it is. And you can certainly do more if you hack the kernel. But there are some things in which it's much more efficient to do in Windows. The two things that are relevant to my projects are raw disk I/Os and task scheduling.
Windows does those much better than Linux. And I have no idea why.
 
@Morwenn how much broken is std::random_device on MinGW? AFAIR it's actually std::mt19937 but how is it seeded?
 
std::random_device is something else.
 
@milleniumbug std::random_device always produces the same fixed sequence of numbers on MinGW.
 
It's what's used to seed e.g. std::mt19937.
The issue in mingw is that since we don't have /dev/urandom like Linux it does nothing.
 
12:19 AM
hmmmmm, that's terrible
 
@Rapptz o.O
what does visual studios library rely on?
 
Yep.
 
@Borgleader Intel's builtin processor RNG or some OS function.
 
Let's say that we need a switch in libstdc++ to use the Windows-specific solution.
 
12:20 AM
Apr 9 '14 at 3:34, by Rapptz
thanks Robot. Wasn't aware std::random_device sucked.
 
@ThePhD Has to be the latter (at least some of the time) otherwise AMD users are hosed
 
I actually use rdtsc as a fast non-cryptographically secure RNG.
 
WinAPI's CryptGenRandom
 
@Mysticial thats the uh, intel thing?
on chip random thingy? (i hope its obvious by now that im well versed in this subject)
 
there are other issues mingw have w.r.t. stdlib
 
12:21 AM
@Borgleader All x86.
 
like error categories in <system_error>.
it'd be nice if there were some #ifdef _WIN32 blocks in libstdc++ lol
 
@Mysticial oh thats cool
 
user406009
@Borgleader It's the current time thingy.
 
user406009
In cycles or something.
 
@Borgleader It's just the cycle counter. But since the processor runs on the order of gigahertz, the lower bits of the rdtsc are as good as random.
 
12:23 AM
IOW if you need to reliably seed shit then you have to use third-party library
 
In particular, the thread pool which I built a few weeks ago uses rdtsc to randomly pick a worker thread to assign work to.
 
Sad, sad reality
 
@Mysticial the one which you should totally release for me others to benefit from winky winky
 
Apparently making a proper threadpool is really hard.
 
@milleniumbug std::random_device works fine on Linux.
and std::time(nullptr); is good enough
it just has no entropy.
 
12:25 AM
@Borgleader There isn't anything particularly secretive about that thread pool. But it has too many dependencies on the rest of the codebase that it wouldn't be useful to open-source it.
 
@ThePhD I'm prob just going to make the best I can of TBB's
 
@ThePhD It definitely is. I had to simplify the problem by allowing unlimited threads.
 
@Mysticial Wah? How come that makes things easier?
 
The problem with limited threads is that if you can't switch out blocked threads, you may deadlock.
 
Oooh.
 
12:28 AM
And switching a blocked task out of a thread and switching another one in isn't easy.
In fact, I don't think it's possible with just standard C++.
 
@Borgleader I'd say yes--not because I find it hard to imagine somebody being that stupid, but because I can't quite imagine taking a video of somebody filling his car with gas unless you knew something interesting was going to happen.
 
Since you need to replace the entire execution stack of the thread.
 
Ah. So when all threads block, you just make more threads or allocate replacement threads, and then swap them in when the blocking is over?
 
@Mysticial Basically, at this point you're looking for what Microsoft calls fibers, rather than actual threads.
 
@JerryCoffin Right
unless of course the guy has a dashboard cam and happened to witness it, but that seems unlikely
 
12:31 AM
@JerryCoffin dashcam
 
@ThePhD The concept of "swapping" here is a little flaky. If you have N threads, the OS will run them how ever it wants. The ones that are blocked can't run.
 
@Borgleader I hadn't really considered that, but there are enough out there now that it's not really all that hard to believe.
 
You want to avoid a situation where you have capped yourself to N threads. But you have M tasks (M > N). All the tasks on the N threads are blocked waiting for task N + 1 which is waiting for an idle thread to run on - deadlock.
 
Why not pump the work into a waiting queue?
That way you can keep N threads (but have to have the overhead of N queues. or just one queue that's blocking).
 
@ThePhD That requires switching out the state of the running task.
 
12:34 AM
@Mysticial ...in short, you're stuck with all the nastiness that process/thread schedulers have had to deal with for years--and yes, it's definitely non-trivial.
 
And that requires copying out the execution stack and such. You can't do that in standard C++.
 
I don't quite follow.
 
@ThePhD Say you have 5 tasks and 4 threads.
 
Yeah.
 
Tasks 0 - 3 are running. But they become blocked on task 4.
Task 4 can't run because it's waiting for a thread to become idle. But all the threads are waiting for task 4. So you deadlock.
If you have unlimited threads, you spawn the 5th thread.
The OS runs task 4 to completion. This unblocks the rest of the tasks, and they run to completion.
 
12:36 AM
Why do they wait on Task 4?
Are these inter-dependent tasks?
 
@ThePhD yes
 
Oh well now it all makes sense.
 
Okay, FML. It appears that Grub's default way of chainloading the bootloader is fucked up.
That's why Win10 didn't work
 
@Mysticial For cooperative threads, you actually can using setjmp and longjmp--but some of that has to be done in the code being executed, so the code has to be written with it mind (and even then, it's pretty easy to mess things up).
 
If you don't want to spawn a 5th thread, you need to swap a task off an existing thread so that it can run task 4. But that requires reading and writing the execution stack - something that can't be done with standard C++.
@JerryCoffin Ah, I've never ventured into that territory.
 
12:41 AM
@JerryCoffin Isn't that how error handling is done in Ye Olde Libraries (libng, libjpeg, etc.)?
 
user406009
@Mysticial you could also write your code to never have a task block. Instead, you use callbacks to start a new task to finish the work when the resource is available.
 
user406009
Coroutines, etc, etc.
 
@Lalaland That's a change of paradigm from simple fork-join to event-driven.
I have reasons to believe that the overhead of having excess threads is less than the overhead of swapping tasks in and out of threads.
Switching threads is just a context switch. Swapping tasks requires reading/writing the entire execution stack.
 
@Mysticial A good choice, IMO (I have ventured into that territory, but not in a long time, and I hope I never have to again).
 
@sehe What are troll wells
 
12:53 AM
@ThePhD Some use setjmp/longjmp, certainly. Pretty much C's closest equivalent of throwing an exception.
 
@Morwenn is cpp search completed yet
 
eeeeevenin'
 
@HubertApplebaum What is cppsearch
@jaggedSpire Evenin'.
 
@slaphappy lmao vs2005
@ThePhD Morwenn's new project
A lib full of search algorithms
 
Kinky.
 
1:00 AM
@Mysticial muh stackless coroutines
 
I was thinking of making a wobsite with ocl/cuda tutorials
let's raise 1 M$ on kickstarter first
 
wubsite
 
> Show HN: Transcrypt – Fast, small Python 3.5 to JavaScript transpiler
Help @Rapptz
 
@Columbo did you find a fix/ workaround?
 
@Rapptz Do those even work recursively?
Not saying I'm going to rewrite something that already works. But it's definitely worth exploring other options.
 
1:16 AM
what do you mean "recursively"
stackless coroutines can only be suspended in the top frame
hence stackless
 
The tasks are basically recursions that spawn more tasks at each stage.
So I guess if the recursions can't be easily unwound, it probably isn't worth trying to hack it so that it can.
 
Ell
Fuck stackless
Stackful are so much better mayn
(For what I want to do which happens to be IO n parsing n shit)
 
How is Boost coroutine even implemented?
Does it drop down into OS-specific calls to save/restore the stack?
 
Ell
With asm on a per platform basis
It stores register values in a platform dependent way I'm quite sure
Well actually
 
@Mysticial Inline assembly
 
Ell
1:20 AM
Boost::context is platform dependent while boost::coroutine is platform independent, only relying on context
 
You don't need interaction with the OS
 
The title of the referenced article is a little baffling. Since when is duct tape natural? — Mark 12 hours ago
Lies, duct tape is always natural.
 
What's the point of having a lockfree queue with 1 producer and 1 consumer if the producer and consumer communicate through a cond var? Doesn't that ruin the entire point of lockfreeness?
 
yes
Unless I'm completely missing something.
 
Let me check the code in a bit more detail before I complain
But that's what it looks like so far.
 
user406009
1:33 AM
@HubertApplebaum I am fairly sure locks are required for condition variables.
 
user406009
Otherwise, you gets bugs like the ones @Mysticial had when he was fiddling with lockfree and condition variables.
 
floof gallery /cc @Borgleader @Ell @ElimGarak @ThePhD @TonyTheLion @набиячлэвэлиь
 
Yes, that's what the code is doing.
// Producer side:
enqueue_thing_lockfree(); notify();
// Consumer side:
wait(); dequeue_thing_lockfree();
 
floof sneeze? /cc @Borgleader @Ell @ElimGarak @TonyTheLion @ThePhD @набиячлэвэлиь
 
@Lalaland Yes
 
1:35 AM
@HubertApplebaum lol
Maybe it's just some code that's using a lock-free data structure.
 
user406009
@HubertApplebaum Are you sure there is only one producer and one consumer?
 
user406009
Like ever?
 
Well it's the second time I see this pattern
In 1 case it's 1 producer 1 consumer in the other it's N producers 1 consumer
@Mysticial What do you mean
 
user406009
Also, I assume there is some if (nothing_available) wait(); dequeue_thing_lockfree(); for the consumer?
 
1:39 AM
@HubertApplebaum Maybe enqueue_thing_lockfree(); is just part of a lockless data structure. But the rest of the code is using it. So while the data structure itself is lockfree itself as some library function, the thing that's using isn't? I dunno.
IOW, bad code calling good code?
 
I see
so the caller doesn't intend to be lockless
 
right
 
well I hadn't considered that lol
 
user406009
Anyways, the bug without the lock would be a missed signal. Starting state is that there is nothing on the queue. Consumer comes along and sees there is nothing and is about to call wait (). Before the consumer calls wait, the producer calls signal().
 
@sehe Yeah, so to speak. I tested some grub entry I created a few weeks ago by changing the partition number and voila... I guess I'll just stop trying to improve my system and enjoy it as it is
:D
 
user406009
1:44 AM
As there would be no current wait, the signal is lost. And you wait forever.
 
user406009
You always must lock before signaling.
 
@Lalaland I've actually been wondering about that missed signal thing in my pool for a bit now. The way guarantee that the signal isn't missed is to acquire the lock, and signal under the lock. The problem is that acquiring the lock is probably going to be expensive and maybe a context switch. Perhaps, if I revert to the polling method and make the dispatching lockfree, it might actually improve throughput.
I haven't tried it yet since I don't like the idea of having a non-zero cost to idle threads.
 
@Lalaland I need to study the code more
The thing I don't understand is why you want to lock instead of spinwait
This part of the algo should be a critical path
I need to ask
 
user406009
@Mysticial @cicada the lock free queue does allow less contention. You only need to lock while signaling, so you save on the queue/dequee time.
 
that doesn't ping me you know
 
1:48 AM
lies
 
user406009
I know. But you will always be Cicada to me :P
 
@Lalaland Not when using condition variables. If you notify a condition variable while holding the lock the other thread will wakeup and try to get the lock, which will fail, causing it to fall asleep again. (It will work eventually, but it's not very efficient.)
 
you are imminently pingable
 
@StackedCrooked In the case of the thread pool from a few weeks ago, signalling under the lock was the only way to guaranteed that the signal isn't missed.
 
user406009
@StackedCrooked that's the whole point. You want to signal while the other thread is waiting. That's the whole point. Otherwise you lose the signal.
 
1:50 AM
The situation was that the thread misses a signal, so it's still waiting when it has work to do.
 
I've had a lot of trouble with missed signals and I used to believe doing the notify under the lock was the right thing.
 
@StackedCrooked What happens if the signal is sent after !mQueue.empty(), but before mCondition.wait(lock);?
 
user406009
^
 
@Mysticial Think of it like this: The producer determines the queue is empty while holding the lock. At that point it's certain the the consumer is on line 52 since that's the only place where it unlocks the mutex. The signal cannot get lost.
 
Oh, so you are locking the producer.
That's what I'm trying to avoid in my case.
The producer is completely lock free.
The consumer isn't.
 
1:57 AM
Mysticial wants to have his cake and eat it, too ayyy
 
^^
 
user406009
Oops, I guess I was a little mistaken. You can lock either the signal or the update of the state.
 
@Mysticial If you say signalling under the lock, doesn't that imply producer-side locking?
 
@StackedCrooked Yes, but I was trying to have my cake and eat it too.
I'm locking producer side, but I'm trying to get rid of it.
One option is to allow missed signals and have the consumer poll periodically to catch the missed signal.
Assuming missed signals are rare, this isn't too bad other than the fact that idle threads are no longer free.
 
Polling at the consumer side would allow you to do it lock-free. You could implement it on top of boost::lockfree::spsc_queue which also allows for batch-push and batch-pop.
But polling is kinda meh.
 
2:05 AM
Yeah, I don't like it either.
Especially if I might have a hundred threads - most of them idle.
 
A semaphore could be used for the signaling.
However, sem_post isn't free either.
Facebook's folly library has a "lifosem" class which enables sem_post/sem_wait for N > 1. This can also be used to enable batching.
 
Granted these are lower-priority problems.
But big problem which I've solved is that I can have multiple threads trying to dispatch work to idle threads in a scaleable manner.
Finding an idle thread is lockfree.
And that's arguably the hardest part.
Once it finds an idle thread, handing the work over the thread isn't lock free. But there's no contention on that lock.
 
Just told Google I am doing to be doing their interview in C++; This is going to be great.
 
You got an interview from Google?
 
Yeah. I am applying at new places.
 
2:10 AM
Microsoft not enough fun?
 
One thing I'll say is that once you get in, the work they give you is probably going to have no resemblance to your best language.
Since they hire mostly generalists.
 
I am trying to get into some kind of robotics jobs, and more on the research side.
@ThePhD Microsoft makes some awesome stuff, but I feel light I am stuck in a team dealing with legacy tools, with shitty APIs; I keep telling myself it is going to get better, but I am losing hope.
This is how JSON is formatted by one our senior engineers: https://gist.github.com/Nican/14afffaaf23a5da657da
Observe that the Json.encode is performed on a string, the " are removed, then double quoted, and then put back in the json string.
I complained about the double-quoting, and poor formatting, but I just got "Customers are already expecting the broken string; We are not going to fix it."
 
@Nican That's literally what every shop would say.
I kid you not the chat devs I worked with also said that when I proposed fixes to their websocket messages.
 
I just feel like my career is not going anywhere.
 
If you're looking for validation from a big company, you're probably not going to find it.
This is what hobby projects and self-made stuff is for.
 
2:16 AM
@Nican TBH, that's one of the "lesser" reasons why I left Google.
 
Luckily, Google encourages (?) some of that, maybe? /cc @Mysticial
 
I wasn't getting anywhere.
 
My dream is to work at Boston Dynamics.
 
@Nican wow
@Mysticial What do you mean by that?
 
I am also applying for Amazon Robotics.
 
2:17 AM
Try out Aldebaran Robotics! aldebaran.com/en/about-us/jobs
 
user406009
@Nican For interest's sake, why robotics?
 
@HubertApplebaum The place is really big. To get promoted, you need to put a lot of work into it. And if you don't do it, you sink. I just wanted to do my job.
 
I competed during the DARPA Robotics Challenge in 2013, and I loved it.
Robotics is the ultimate gaming engine. It is literally like making a game, but you replace the physics engine with the real world.
 
What about the floating point errors
Is it also IEEE-754
 
2:20 AM
There are open problems everywhere; Vision; Dynamic controls; performance; artificial intelligence.
@Lalaland My head is the one closest to the camera:
 
@HubertApplebaum That said, those "problems" are nothing compared to the mud that happens in finance.
 
sigh tell me about it
 
@Mysticial mud?
 
@StackedCrooked I am guessing 'garbage'
 
Hm...
 
2:22 AM
garbage code everywhere
I was thinking this industry hires the best
Well uh
 
Ah, weird backward compatibility code and stuff?
 
@StackedCrooked not even
just crapy pasta everywhere
 
Unfortunately, I'm under a nondisclosure, so I can't give details. But if anyone has been paying attention lately, they might've noticed that I'm actually no longer at the firm I was at. And I'm late in the interview process for other positions elsewhere.
 
That is the thing. They hire very smart people, a few of my co-workers are awesome; But they suffer from the same creep as I do: Using crap tools develops crap software.
 
2:23 AM
write code as fast as possible
maintainance is not a criteria
@Mysticial Still in finance or elsewhere?
 
Still finance.
 
The lawsuit the US filed against Ferguson is staggering. These are from the very beginning. It gets worse. https://t.co/O4oJtfy72K
 
@Mysticial Ah. I hadn't noticed.
 
@Mysticial I had not noticed, but good luck in your endeavours.
 
So you quit your current job before finding a new one?
I suppose you can do that.
 
2:26 AM
@Borgleader I'm okay now. I have several lunch meetings next week with several firms for negotiations.
 
@StackedCrooked @sehe did that too iirc
@Mysticial o.O so youre a hot piece of cake, metaphorically speaking
well i guess thats not so surprising
 
@StackedCrooked I was fired.
 
Oh yes, I am also applying for BlueHaptics for underwater robots that weld pipes, and connect fiber cables.
 
@Mysticial you O.O what.... i didnt expect that
 
@Mysticial Oh-
 
2:27 AM
@Mysticial I see.
 
That whole trip to New York I mentioned a couple weeks back? That was for an interview.
 
Erm, ..why did they do that? I'd never fire you.
Not my business really. Feel free to ignore that.
 
@StackedCrooked I was really puzzled at first. I didn't see it coming. But now that I've talking to people in and around the industry, I can sorta see what happened. But I can't say much about it publicly.
 
@Mysticial Thats why theres discord ;)
 
2:30 AM
@Borgleader what's really amaze is somehow Ferguson isn't the worst municipality in the Saint Louis area for charging their populace with made-up shit
 
@Borgleader lol
 
discord is not private enough mate
but I see what you're aiming at
 
@jaggedSpire s/amaze/depressing/
 
Skype should be private enough. Nothing is recorded there.
 
@StackedCrooked TBH, I'd probably categorize it as a layoff more than getting fired. But the result is the same.
 
2:31 AM
@milleniumbug well discord voice chat
 
@Borgleader For jagged, it's "amaze"
 
@Nican ...or is it
 
@Nican Snrk.
 
@Borgleader there's one muni that gets ~2/3 of its revenue from fines
there is surely no conflict of interest there
there's one stretch of an interstate that I've seen clear of police cars maybe once or twice?
They just arrest people for speeding.
that's all they do, all day.
 
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see this is why you should live in Canada :)
 
2:34 AM
The off-ramps and side streets in the area have weirdly low speed limits for additional speeding fine revenue
 
@jaggedSpire self-driving cars should fix that problem
 
Also, this is what Google send me to to prepare for the interview: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5927713/goog.PNG
I am rather underwhelmed.
 
there's one city that outlaws having a barbecue on your front lawn except on very specific days, along with having improperly trimmed hedges, etc
naturally they enforce this with fines
 
@jaggedSpire haha i read about wtf laws , i heard about it elsewhere but i found it here:
> You cannot eat a doughnut and walk backwards on a city street. Source
 
@Nican I probably couldn't implement EVERYTHING on that sheet of paper.
Specifically, Red-Black and the like.
 
2:36 AM
I wouldn't call these dumb, so much as malicious
 
argh balanced binary trees
 
@jaggedSpire Its dumb, I can walk backwards, I can eat a donut, why cant I do both?
anyway
must go to bed, i was gonna watch an episode of Top Gear tonight, but i lost interwebs for about an hour :(
 
I never implemented balanced binary tree
 
@Mysticial Oh
Sorry to hear that :(
 
@ThePhD Not implement it, but I remember the basic idea of everything in that paper, and can talk about the complexity, advantages, and other things.
 
2:37 AM
one time where the uni project required doing something like it, I made a skip list instead
 
@milleniumbug I think I had to for a course in uni, couldnt do it off hand now (not that id want to, it sucks)
 
@HubertApplebaum To be fair, in retrospect, it might actually be a blessing in disguise.
 
It very well may
 
I didn't realize how "sought after" I turned out to be after I entered the job market.
 
I remember everyone telling Mysticial to stop putting so many hours in that job.
 
2:38 AM
here , and because dumb adblocker-blocker stuff, the relevant portion
 
And telling him it wasn't worth him burning out in that startup.
WHY ARE FUCKING MOSQUITOS ALIVE IT'S FUCKING WINTER
ALL OF THEM SHOULD BE FUCKING DEAD.
 
user406009
@Nican what were you hoping you see in their preparation?
 
> It’s against the law for residents to have a basketball hoop, a wading pool, a doghouse or hedges higher than three feet on their front yards. The same goes for satellite dishes on the front side of a home or holding a barbecue on the front yard, unless it’s a national holiday. Residents have been ticketed for having fallen trees, overgrown vegetation, uncut grass and mismatched drapes on their property. Pagedale also managed to ban playing in the street, saggy pants, and even practicing necromancy.
 
@Mysticial I want you too
but not for the azn pns
 
user406009
@ThePhD you can contribute to the cause right now. Kill the fucker with your bare hands.
 
2:40 AM
@Lalaland I told them specifically that I am interested in robotics. I was hoping to see more questions on the field.
 
@Lalaland I already have. But if there's one, there's more.
 
> In fact, court fines and fees are the largest source of revenue for Pagedale, second only to the town’s sales tax.
 
user406009
I have learned over the years that clapping is the most effective way to kill mosquitoes.
 
Apparently, there is a massive demand for C++ programmers with a financial background. And I also have an HPC background.
 
Mosquitoes are quite easy to kill when you're not asleep
 
2:41 AM
@Mysticial As there should be: people have made a lot of shitty code, and they want competent people to suck in so they can keep that code running.
 
ooh yeah all the financial firms that came to my school to recruit wanted C++ and SQL
 
Anyway, I g2g! Talk to you guys later. :)
 
ttyl
 
@Mysticial Yes
I get phone calls from recruiters at my desk
o.O
 
user406009
@HubertApplebaum isn't that illegal?
 
2:43 AM
@Nican Best of luck :)
@Lalaland Why would it?
 
@Nican cya
 
Also it's HK so probably not
 
@Nican Toodle-oo.
 
user406009
@HubertApplebaum in the US we have Do Not Call provisions.
 
@HubertApplebaum Probably because nobody does C++ anymore. And finance guys can't program - let alone do performance.
 
user406009
2:44 AM
There is like a registry you sign up for and they are not supposed to call you.
 
@Mysticial Exactly :)
 
@Lalaland this doesn't stop Rachael from Cardholder services, sadly
 
@Lalaland I thought that was for telemarketing
 
@Mysticial I'm in the wrong field :(
but i cant really complain, i make vidya games
 
fun ones?
 
2:48 AM
i hope so (youre prob trolling, but believe me, no one actively tries to make shitty games)
 
user406009
@jaggedSpire aren't they sort of equivalent? I don't know. I guess I'll have to look into the law.
 
ok, bed time for realsies now
@Mysticial go luck with them interviews
 
user406009
@Borgleader mobile game developers do.
 
Ell
@Mysticial where did you get your degree?
And what is it in?
 
@Borgleader night :)
 
2:49 AM
@Borgleader Thanks. It's starting to wind down now. But there's still more. I'm actually flying out tomorrow for one on Friday.
@Ell Undergrad at Northwestern. Grad at UIUC.
 
@Borgleader night
 
Ell
I wonder if my life will amount to anything
 
@Borgleader Nighty night! Sleep tight. <3
Help my soul.
 
user406009
@Ell so do I.
 
Ell
And by that I mean I wonder if I will leave a legacy
 
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@Ell I tend to have the "I hope I don't fail and become homeless" fear.
 
@Ell Where you go to school and all that GPA bullshit matters less after your first job.
 
Bwuh.
Type overloading is the hards.
 
A lot of these financial firms "only hire PhDs from Ivy Leages". Yeah sure... They didn't seem to give a shit about my hilariously bad GPA.
Less than half of them even asked for it.
 
@Mysticial My GPA matters too much right now.
I need to do something amazing so I can shake off the requirement.
 
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