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user406009
7:00 PM
What don't you like about Debian?
 
ARCH!
Yes.
 
user406009
Arch has a sucky install process.
 
@ElimGarak Ubuntu / CentOS
 
So, Ubuntu is still pretty much the cool kid on the block still?
 
Unity is crap, but the rest is okay (imo)
 
7:00 PM
I remember a lot of purists shitting all over it in the early days.
 
unity isn't so bad
 
@ʞɔᴉN I still use it
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Last I tried out Ubuntu, the main thing it offered over debian is a nice GUI for installing drivers.
 
the start menu is a little slow IMO
 
unity is bad bad bad
 
7:01 PM
mostly because I'm lazy and spend 99% of my time in the terminal or the browser
 
@Lalaland apt-get, packaging policies, packaging quality (they're using systemd now but still ship with shitton of semi-broken init scripts)
 
true
yeah installing a whole new desktop environment seems like way too much work
especially since the alternatives looked pretty meh
 
@CatPlusPlus What do you use @ home?
 
I tried to change to use unity a couple of times and went back to kde every time
 
dpkg is the worst fucking packaging toolset ever
Even RPM manages to be slightly better
 
7:01 PM
opkg is bad
 
user406009
@ʞɔᴉN Nah, it's quite easy.
 
(Still arcane shit that should die already)
 
user406009
Just install the package.
 
it's easy, i've done it on ubuntu server
 
I use Angstrom distro a lot as well. ugh. smh
 
user406009
7:02 PM
And click the button to switch when you log in.
 
but i just dont want to deal with cleanup on desktop
 
@ElimGarak Using Fedora.
 
@ElimGarak Windows
 
user406009
@ʞɔᴉN Cleanup?
 
@CatPlusPlus Didn't expect that. :P
 
7:02 PM
CentOS is likely even more outdated than Debian
 
I really wanna know, if I don't like Kodi, and openelec doesn't wanna install, what do I put on my rpi2?
 
Fedora and openSUSE I haven't really used because I'm not very interested in these desktop-oriented distros
 
user406009
Debian isn't outdated. As long as you use test, most things are pretty up to date.
 
I'm running Debian
It is outdated
 
last time I used openSUSE, I hated it
 
7:03 PM
I run into outdated crap on daily basis
 
user406009
Which packages are you having issues with?
 
user406009
Are you running stable or testing?
 
So, seems like Ubuntu is still the way to go.
 
I pull from testing only when I really have to, but usually there isn't anything newer there either
8 released barely few months ago
 
Run it on my server, it's pretty much okay.
 
7:05 PM
And unstable is as garbage as Ubuntu's universe
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Debian and Ubuntu are almost feature equivalent. The more important question is desktop environment. There are quite a couple options.
 
Ubuntu is crap for servers
 
@CatPlusPlus (personal)
 
ubuntu is great for servers
 
Better to run Debian out of the two
(And better to not run either)
Ubuntu/Debian packaging combined with ineptitude of Apt/dpkg makes for a very annoying experience
 
7:06 PM
Yeah, it is annoying. But you kind of learn to live with it.
 
And creating packages requires goat sacrifices and dealing with barely documented arcane toolsets that were designed in 1570
6
 
Star for goat sacrifice.
 
Ell
@cat what the hell ma
 
i really like ubuntu's package manager
 
Ell
You missed 'inaptitudemx
 
7:07 PM
I ditched dpkg for gdebi
 
idk how you can fuck up packaging that bad or how people manage to work on this shitty distro but there we go
 
user406009
I just checked a random package. Debain testing has clang 3.5 with 3.6 in experimental.
 
user406009
I don't know what more you could ask.
 
It took me 4 hours of documentation reading and scrambling to put a precompiled binary into a fucking deb
The fuck do I care about clang
 
user1804599
7:08 PM
So I was thinking about by-name parameters in Vlinder.
 
Man, asking for recommendations on Linux distros practically solidified me even further in the Windows 10 / Visual Studio 2015 / DirectX 12 camp. With all the crap I deal on a daily basis, it's still the shit.
 
I have much higher requirements than most
Ubuntu is probably fine for desktop
Development is best done on containers/VMs anyway, and it's trivial to have a completely different package source there
 
Ell
Emacs is a great IDE
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus I will admit that debain's packaging process is really bad.
 
user1804599
Emacs is a great OS
 
7:10 PM
it only lacks a decent editor
 
tru
 
Emacs is a great black hole
 
wow, VC++ still defines __cplusplus as 199711?!
 
user406009
@ElimGarak That's the number one problem with Linux. The fragmentation.
 
user406009
Too many options.
 
7:11 PM
@Lalaland true, best to use OS X
 
It's not a problem. It's a downside. For some
 
user406009
@sehe It's a downside for everything.
 
The bigger problem with distros is a lack of vision.
 
@ʞɔᴉN I run a Hackintosh with OS X El Capitan, a 16 GB / i7 machine with a GTX 980, the most advanced iMac in existence ahahah.
Just... No fucking Metal drivers. FUCK.
 
user406009
It results in a lot of repeated effort.
 
7:12 PM
@sehe canonical seems like they have a plan
sorta
@ElimGarak how did you even get that working?
 
user406009
@ElimGarak For interest's sake, what would the approximate cost of your build?
 
@ʞɔᴉN Working with kexts is a pleasure of mine, also, modified a bootloader which is now on a USB drive, paranoid to make it run off it directly in order not to break it.
 
-3
A: My program is using an invalid compiler, how do I find the right compiler?

EricoolUse Visual Studio , even when you are gonna fix this , you have other errors . Try the trial or download the Express version . It will always works .

lol
 
@Lalaland probably not too bad, 2k maybe?
 
7:14 PM
@ElimGarak ah so you actually did some real work to get it running
 
@ʞɔᴉN Some people are lucky enough to have hardware which is "hackintosh-compliant".
 
my idea of a hackintosh is downloading a custom ISO
 
Fuckers download it and it works.
 
@ʞɔᴉN It's not a problem to have choice. The problem is when Ubuntu uses 4 different window managers in 5 years, endorses Shotwell all of a sudden to replace F-Spot, which replaced the previous "blessed" photo manager. And Tomboy replaced the note taking app, but gets later replaced by Gnote... Same with music players. I've seen at least 4 different ones endorsed as "the standard desktop app for music"... etc
 
This answer is wrong. Visual Studio is free now. There's no need for a trial version/period. — Mysticial 5 secs ago
 
7:14 PM
No wonder that the integration never takes off.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Seems like Linux would have been a better option then :) /s
 
@ElimGarak yep, it's typically pretty underpowered though
 
It's not completely free
 
And when, finally, it does, they replace the FileManager! Poof. Gone are all the integrations
 
Ell
I wholeheartedly support @sehe s argument
 
7:15 PM
Close enough.
 
Ell
It's ridiculous
 
and theres often some work involved to get wifi cards or whatever working
 
@ʞɔᴉN That was 10 6+ years ago (edit: for unlucky b*tards with older h/w)
 
lol running OSX by choice
 
7:16 PM
@Mysticial Recognize the 2600K? :P
It lives on <3
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's what we call feminazism, not feminism.
 
they just won't die it seems.
 
@ElimGarak haha that's great
 
Also, the SMBIOS always makes me laugh.
Mid 2011 iMac
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus So, what OS do you like? BSD? Plan 9? TempleOS?
 
7:17 PM
Windows is fine
 
have you shared your build yet?
 
@ElimGarak I still have my 2600K chip. I'm 80% sure it still works. It's only the motherboard that I fried.
 
@Morwenn See, even that is "no true scotsman"-class messing around with words and stuff.
 
Dual-booting is not worth it and I have some things that only work on Windows
 
El Capitan will actually be good for gaming. If Nvidia decides to do Metal drivers (Apple went with AMD lately)
 
7:18 PM
I run Linux in VMs
 
@CatPlusPlus you accidentally a particle
 
I do n-booting by assigning each OS to its own storage disk.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well yeah, when people denature a word, we try to find another one to convey the meaning of what it has become :)
 
user406009
@ElimGarak I would recommend at least trying debain-xfce in a VM. You might like it. cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd. "debian-testing-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso" is the one you want.
 
@CatPlusPlus well at least it's more sensible than reverse
@ElimGarak Me too
 
7:19 PM
Every time I tried something else, exploded in my face because the bootloaders get into a fight.
And the Windows boot loader is hella assertive.
 
GUI in a VM is a crappy experience
 
I got it sort of working
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Use a VM.
 
@ElimGarak of course.
 
but I couldn't use hibernation or fast boot :p
 
user406009
7:20 PM
@ElimGarak No need to install to try.
 
@melak47 my boot is fast without hibernation
 
user406009
I have had no issues dual booting Linux and Windows.
 
user406009
I lost fast boot, but that's fine.
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
new factorio stuff
 
7:20 PM
@sehe I mean windows 8/10's "fast boot" ;)
 
user3883753
happy day
 
user1804599
 
@melak47 most glorious thing ever to be invented
 
user1804599
@Sino bonjour.
 
user3883753
@elyse heuh bonsoir ! ca va ?
 
user1804599
7:21 PM
Sehr gut, danke.
 
user3883753
@elyse tu es française ?
 
user1804599
No.
 
@Sino Not at all.
 
user1804599
I'm Dutch.
 
user1804599
i.e. superior
 
7:23 PM
Just found my first chip from my first computer ever. Ahaha.
 
user3883753
Gut, Wie geht's ?
 
God, I'm young.
 
user3883753
wie heisst du ?
 
user1804599
Why are you speaking German to Dutch people?
 
7:25 PM
Why are you speaking German?
Why are you speaking?
 
user3883753
@elyse I want to practise, I learned German from about 2 years
 
Don't be a deutschbag
8
 
If anyone is curious, I found one. codepage .932, widechar \xa2 is converted to multibyte \x81\x91
 
@MillieSmith @CatPlusPlus is curious.
 
user3883753
7:26 PM
@elyse I vist Kehl evry time I go to Alsace
 
I woke up like an hour ago
I think I'll go back to sleep
 
user3883753
@CatPlusPlus plus plus are you tired?
 
@MillieSmith found one what
 
Nice, I've been on my fee... Ass since 05:30.
 
@melak47 I was trying to find a widechar in a codepage that would convert to more than one byte in a multibyte string using wcstombs
so that i could break some code i'm looking at
 
7:29 PM
Fuck multibyte.
 
@Sino You mean you go there to benefit from cheaper products, right? x)
 
what about 🍌
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, back then all we had was arcane magic.
 
lol elim
i don't know melak
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
7:31 PM
@ElimGarak oldest thing I have pbs.twimg.com/media/AwAJG8wCIAIWBll.jpg
 
@rlemon Dayum.
 
We're taking pictures? Picture time!
 
user3883753
@Morwenn inter alia, yeah, but the ultim reason is to visit touristic place in Kehl: liek this hpics.li/875a843
 
nope, didn't work @malek haha
 
@malek8
 
7:32 PM
at least not in the japanese codepage
 
@rlemon What were the specs of that thing?
 
@Sino I have to admit that I didn't visit touristic places when I went there.
 
@ElimGarak it had a math co-processor
:P
so shity
I have no psu for it anymore
 
@elyse je maintiendrai!
 
user3883753
7:34 PM
@Morwenn where u from?
 
According to this platform's incredibly solid search engine, the first mention of the word "lounger" was this. So it appears I invented the word. I'll be collecting royalties now.
 
@Morwenn What are the last 16 digits of your credit card number?
 
@Sino Brest, Britanny.
 
Mine was, I think, an Intel Pentium IV 1.8 GHz, 256 MB of DDR SDRAM and a GeForce 2 with HW T&L (no shader pipeline). It also had a magnificent storage space of 40 GB.
 
@Nooble 0123456789DEADBEEFUCKYOU
 
user3883753
7:34 PM
@Morwenn cool, u look pretty in ur photo :D
 
@ElimGarak But it killed him
 
@Sino Thanks :)
 
@sehe :D
Still have my first hard disk. Will have to destroy it because I suspect questionable porn. Can't remember what, which makes it questionable.
 
Wow.
 
@Morwenn It doesn't seem legitimate.
 
7:36 PM
I admit I suspect larger quantities of porn on my oldest disks. But nothing that I would care enough to delete. Not even if my wife were to manually inspect all of it.
 
For some reason...
 
I recently found a hdd from my laptop from 2004
 
user3883753
lol
 
@sehe I'd donate you an HDD.
 
I am curious to see what kinda porn I still have on it
 
7:37 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Unreliable witness
 
@rlemon 144p. :D
 
user3883753
what category guys ?
 
@ElimGarak :)
probably.
 
@CatPlusPlus The only witness is always the most reliable.
 
lol wasting space on porn
 
7:37 PM
@Nooble erm why
 
Because it's easy to be #1 when you're alone.
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's not how this works
 
@sehe I wouldn't want you to run out of space.
 
ITT Everybody:
On a retro-porn trip down memory lane
@Nooble I won't. My fileserver is hefty, and the internet is patient, so it doesn't need to hold any porn
 
I remember being very patient for porn. On a 4.5 kB/s downlink.
 
7:38 PM
:P streaming wasn't an option then
 
@CatPlusPlus How young were you again? There was a time when it made sense to hold on to some things
 
user3883753
is there any way to contact a user on private on stackoverflow ?
 
@sehe Ah speaking of which, I think I need a FS...
 
@Sino no
 
@Sino Lol.
I think I know who you're after.
@ScottW since he's a sexy dog.
 
7:39 PM
@Sino You can ask a mod to intermediate, if it's really important
 
@sehe It was a time of much smaller storage so it was even more of a waste
 
@CatPlusPlus Priorities! It was a time of higher hormone levels too
 
4 mins ago, by Sino
@Morwenn cool, u look pretty in ur photo :D
 
@sehe pretty sure BCI
 
@CatPlusPlus And extremely small DL speeds. And one can reutilize good pr0n. I call it efficient porn caching.
 
7:40 PM
@rlemon ?
@ElimGarak Even "taste development" :)
 
@sehe Agh why does livecoding have to use Flash.
 
Kids these days.... 50 mbit/s... 4K porn. 4K displays. VR. Man, fuck my life.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Erotic literature requires very little bandwidth and screen space.
 
Seeing is believing. And boy, did I believe. :P
 
user3883753
7:42 PM
@Nooble she is
 
Waste of time and everything
 
@Lalaland no, but it requires ever so precious 'hiding space'
there can only be so much porn stacked under my bed before people start to notice
 
user3883753
going to eat good bye ppl, stop talking about porno
 
What?
 
@Nooble It doesn't "have to". I'm considering grabbing my vods and jumping ship
 
7:44 PM
@sehe There are alternatives?
 
user406009
What other options do you have? Twitch also uses flash.
 
You could go on Twitch and dumbfound all the fools there.
 
@Lalaland No way...
God damn it.
 
@ElimGarak Considering it. Or google.
 
user406009
Maybe I'm wrong. Haven't checked the tech twitch uses in a while.
 
7:45 PM
@Lalaland Self host mp4 or similar
 
user406009
I truthfully don't care that much about flash requirements.
 
user406009
For watching coding streams.
 
user406009
You can't watch them on mobile anyways since the screens are too small.
 
@Lalaland No it's not that, it's the fact that I have to install it.
 
YouTube Gaming could be a good platform for sehe. Right next to the "nigga" vulgarity dude.
 
7:46 PM
They're only using Flash because of ads
 
@Lalaland That's also a sucky part.
 
@ElimGarak you pulling ma leg
 
Ell
You can use twitch witrhout installed flash
 
@CatPlusPlus Can Flash actually deliver ads with AdBlock enabled? In my experience, only the placeholder appears.
 
user406009
7:48 PM
@ElimGarak Same.
 
You can also post videos to Instagram.
AdBlock has changed my life. Without it, Internet is unbearable.
 
Dunno, I haven't really looked into that for a long time
 
I once opened a browser without it. Shit.
 
Ell
I have moral quandries with it
 
@rlemon The animations look stiff.
 
7:49 PM
@Ell Wat?
 
Ell
But I use it still :v
@elim websites rely on ad revenue
 
@EtiennedeMartel yea the game itself looks lame.
 
Ell
Imho its imliws that you get content in exchange for ad views
 
that video tho has me in stitches
 
One ad. Two at most. GameSpot is just one big fucking ad without AdBlock.
AdBlock came to be because of assholes overdoing it. It was born out of necessity.
I turned to AdBlock once YouTube started to run those fucking video ads.
 
7:51 PM
I'm one of those strange people who doesn't run adblock. I goto sites without intrusive ads, and the ads I do view I view gladly to pay the content providers for the content I'm enjoying. :P
 
Ell
if you aren't willing to pay the price you can't get the goods, right?
 
the internet would be a sad paywalled fuckshow without ads
 
@Ell I support some folks on Patreon.
 
Ell
If people overdo it you should complain and boycott, not steal
Imho
 
^
 
7:52 PM
But the rest is shit which cannot be classified as goods.
 
I just don't go back to those site.
popunder ads? good way to get blacklisted
audio playing 30 seconds after the page loads? I can find my news elsewhere
 
Ell
Exactly
I would pay for YouTube without ads probably
 
Ads were once fine. And then they started being greedy. And now they can go fuck themselves. They wanted more, they get nothing now.
 
Ell
And if not I'd listen to the ads
 
@Ell same.
interestingly, I just learned how the youtube ad revenue model works.
 
Ell
7:54 PM
@elim I can see why you do it, but I still regard it as immoral
 
The second they become reasonable, I'll disable AdBlock.
 
Ell
Even if only slightly so
 
you have to watch the ad for like 30 seconds or something for them to get paid.
 
help
 
lol they'll never be reasonable because they pay shit
 
Ell
7:54 PM
It's true there are much greater injustices
But these are easier to fix :P
 
help me
 
why
 
Also, ads that run for 15 seconds and the video is fucking 9 seconds.
 
lol 30 seconds ad
 
I HAVE PIE IN MY COMPUTER
HELP ME REMOVE PIE
 
user3883753
 
Like I care about whatever the fuck they're selling
 
@snipe ants
they'll eat the pie and leave
give it time
 
I will try that
 
I usually turn against the shit in ads.
I see it in a store, I go to a competitor without an ad.
 
if you see an ad for a company you don't like, click it. every damn time.
they have to pay the content provider for you clicking the ad
they lose money, content provider gains money
win/win
 
7:56 PM
Waste of my time
 
oh my god
 
SNIPE, FUCK OFF.
 
google says I can just remove the key from the keyboard and remove the pie
 
Ell
@snipe shut up man
 
WHY DIDNT YOU SAY SO!
 
7:56 PM
JESUS
 
Has anyone here seen the movie Southpaw?
 
Also ads are immediately suspicious from security standpoint
 
Ell
Oh. Physical pie.
 
I don't trust any of them
 
physical pie
 
7:56 PM
@snipe Stop eating pie.
Eat in an appropriate place.
 
people who eat food over their keyboards are monsters
 
Or accept the consequences.
ALSO FUCKING HAIR BETWEEN KEYS. Some people are disgusting.
 
but ita a laptop :(
 
laptop !== tv tray
 
and Im blind and need to be close
 
user3883753
7:58 PM
@rlemon I agree
 
My keyboard is full of stuff
 
@snipe Your fault for getting a laptop.
 
I just buy a new one periodically
 
@CatPlusPlus Either clean it or get a new one.
Yep.
 
And burn the old one.
 
7:58 PM
I don't really care as long as it works
 
My keyboard is too expensive to be disposable.
It's mechanical, so it does require a bit of maintenance.
 
Cheap keyboards are usually the best ones mechanically.
 
I just realized I dont give a fuck about my laptop - its shit
 
Bought three expensive ones, all were shit.
 
@ElimGarak Really? I quite like my mechanical keyboard.
 
7:59 PM
most expensive keyboard I own was like $80
 
I will resume my daily activities
 
Sometimes the cheapest is the best
 
Feels great to type on
 
Mine is like 10$
 
Mine is around $120.
 
7:59 PM
Mine current one is a fucking Chicony. It is $10.
 
user3883753
What mark of laptop have you ?
 
AHAHAH
@CatPlusPlus Yes.
 
Any problem with stuff under a key will be solved if you press the key hard enough.
 
Standard Microsoft 101
 
mostly I code on my laptop and use the integrated keyboard.
so w/e
 

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