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3:00 PM
Just see sizes of compressed Boost library by .zip and .7z
 
@ChemiCalChems Proof pls.
 
boost_1_58_0.zip	123.1 MB
boost_1_58_0.tar.gz	83.6 MB
boost_1_58_0.tar.bz2	70.4 MB
boost_1_58_0.7z         65.2 MB
 
@ChemiCalChems .tar is like the most ridiculously archaic format in use today
 
@milleniumbug It also takes forever.
 
@thecoshman Arcaic? Powerful.
 
3:04 PM
@milleniumbug For such small stuff is not a biggie, but when you get to GBs you basically get to choose between 30 extra megs or 30 extra minutes.
 
@Nooble That's pretty cool.
 
I usually prefer the 30 extra megs.
 
I mean NYC is cool cuz you know everyone has fiber nowadays
 
You may be right, I haven't actually checked the compression time.
Still the idea is that you don't need to pack to .rar
So you rarely need WinRAR
 
@milleniumbug What if you want reasonably fast and reasonably small?
(i.e. 30 megs instead of 30 minutes)
 
3:07 PM
more to the point, other tools can handle .rar so you really don't need WinRAR
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes .zip
 
@milleniumbug Er, ZIP does not make reasonably small.
(See above?)
 
@Mr.kbok Fiber is nice.
 
It's twice as big.
 
Although I never really get to use the full potential of my bandwidth.
Sometimes on steam downloads, yeah.
 
3:09 PM
Hmmm, I should unpack Boost and pack it with .rar to get a valid comparison
brb
 
@Nooble The joke here is that I don't use steam that much, but I use the xbox marketplace. 100Kib/s FTW.
 
@nabijaczleweli Why are you adding dependencies and not adding them to a /deps/ folder?
 
@milleniumbug I thought compression quality also heavily depended on data
 
@Nooble Dependencies are in dependencies/
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ it dependendenden
 
3:11 PM
d:
 
@nabijaczleweli tinydir cannot be found.
 
@Nooble Do you have curl? You need curl
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ This should be d: for perfect upside-downing
 
@nabijaczleweli I don't have curl.
 
@Nooble Install curl
 
3:13 PM
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ You need more test subjects to get a valid benchmark, yes.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ yay :)
 
i think we need to start going into production
 
Ell
Yeah .tar is crazy old
 
@thecoshman I'd nominate ar (*.a) as the most archaic. So archaic nobody even tries to use it as an actual archive anymore, but lots of linkers still assume all libraries are in this format.
 
3:16 PM
It used to be a generic archive? I always thought it was a linker thing
 
@Ell Tar is not even the problem. Nicotine is.
 
@Mr.kbok Yup.
 
Couldn't resist
 
@ʞɔᴉN Mhmm.
 
@Ell Tar is not a compression format. It just strings files together in a single stream.
 
3:18 PM
@JerryCoffin so archaic, it was before we even had tapes?
@R.MartinhoFernandes it sort of is compressions... just 0%
 
@thecoshman We did have tapes at the time, but no tool specifically for them. The basic difference between ar and tar is that tar can put an entire directory tree together into a single file, but ar just deals with files, not paths.
 
@JerryCoffin also, ar doesn't have any checksum
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And even so, it usually saves some disk space just by reducing the number of half-empty blocks at the ends of files.
 
@JerryCoffin also.. are you sure you can't put tree in ar archives?
I don't see anything stopping this
 
3:22 PM
@FlorianMargaine I really don't know about the current versions, but I'm reasonably certain that you couldn't originally.
 
since the filemode holds the information whether the file is a directory or not, it should be fine. Not trying to dismiss your experience though, just curious
 
user1804599
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ :p
 
@FlorianMargaine It takes quite a bit more than just that to do it (usefully, anyway). For example, when de-archiving it needs to detect that a directory doesn't exist yet and create it if needed.
 
@JerryCoffin ah, so the ar utility, not the file format, is limited
ok
 
ar simply can't deal with directories.
ar rcs some_dir/ doesn't work.
And ar rcs some_dir/* just adds all files and loses all directory information.
 
Ell
3:30 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know :)
 
ar rcs foo/bar bar/foo creates an archive with two files, named bar and foo, no path information stored.
 
Ell
I'm just saying that it is frickin old
The only features I might think of would be supporting symlinks
 
guys I just realized I have to be upside-down for another 27 days
 
@ʞɔᴉN Why
 
apparently name changes are only allowed once a month
 
3:32 PM
kek
 
And so I compressed Boost with .rar
> 108 MB (bajtów: 113 444 214)
 
@FlorianMargaine The format is limited because it doesn't store path information.
@milleniumbug That doesn't sound like you set it to max.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ah, I see
 
I didn't. Neither I did so with .7z recompressing.
 
@FlorianMargaine Yes, you could piggyback on it and store filenames with slashes, for example, but then you'd be assigning semantics to it that no one else follows (i.e. it's not the same format anymore)
 
3:33 PM
But gonna retry it with max settings.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's what tar does, though
 
Yeah, but it's not the same format.
The idea being that only your tool would be able to deal with it, because every other tool would barf at invalid filenames.
 
it has some more fields (like checksum, file type, etc), but for paths/folders, the format is the same
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes of course, not suggesting to change that
 
Michael Collins was picked to orbit the Moon from the CSM while Buzz and Neil were down there because he had previous spaceflight experience and Deke Slayton wanted someone with experience on the controls if he was to return alone.
That's freaky.
"You know how to do this, so we need you up there in case they can't return."
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Doesn't seem to help (now with Compression method "Best" and dictionary size "4096 KB", the highest I could set in the WinRAR GUI):
> 108 MB (bajtów: 113 339 307)
 
3:44 PM
And for Neil and Buzz "If only one of you three makes it back, it will be Mike"
Ugh.
 
@Nooble Also you need to make deps every time you pull something changing dependencies (e.g. Cpponfiguration)
 
The one thing where 7z is horrible is when you want to extract a single file from a very large archive.
 
is qt the best platform independent gui lib in your opinion?
 
@TonyTheLion lol
 
3:52 PM
@ChemiCalChems Depends on what you want. It's relatively heavy--a framework not just a GUI lib. If you want something smaller and lighter that's just GUI, FLTK might fit your needs better.
 
@JerryCoffin I want something powerful. Weight is not a problem for me.
 
but I thought you were on a diet?
 
@ʞɔᴉN I have never been on diet.
I only said that I needed to get more muscle, which has nothing to do with diet.
 
it was a very funny joke ok
 
@milleniumbug gzipped tar is the same way, and for the same reason. That reason is (largely) why both get as good of compression as they do though.
 
3:53 PM
and diet has everything to do with that
 
@JerryCoffin Used FLTK, can confirm. Sadly it's not STL-friendly.
 
@ChemiCalChems I'm not at all sure what "powerful" even means when applied to a GUI library.
 
@ʞɔᴉN It has to do with doing more sport and that stuff.
@JerryCoffin Something that works very good.
 
(uses const char*, function pointers and void*)
 
@JerryCoffin CPU/GPU-heavy, so it uses more power
 
3:55 PM
yes but you need to up your calorie and protein intake too
 
@ʞɔᴉN My body well tell me, hey you are hungry. Eat more.
 
@nabijaczleweli FLTK does use the GPU to do its drawing.
 
Plus I don't want a lot more muscle, just to be an shape.
 
This is the first time I hear someone wants to be a shape.
 
3:57 PM
don't worry about gaining too much muscle haha, it's harder than you think
 
Haven't seen @MaiLongdong today.
 
I'd like to be a triangle someday
 
@ChemiCalChems Ohhh au contraire it has a lot to do with diet
 
@ʞɔᴉN No shit. I know it's hard. But I don't wanna gain a lot of muscle.
@Rerito My body knows what it wants. If it wants more calories, I'll be hungrier. If it wants more protein, I'll want meat. Bodies are intelligent after all you know?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I'm in shape. Round's a shape.
 
3:59 PM
@TonyTheLion I told him to get on mumble around now but meh
 
@ChemiCalChems That's a bit optimistic and naive in a "wanna grow muscle" perspective :)
 
@Rerito I don't wanna grow that much muscle man. My legs are strong without changing my diet at all and going mountain biking.
 
I ate like 30 donut holes
 
I am hungrier, but I just eat more.
 
Your legs are never too strong!
 
4:00 PM
@Rerito I said strong.
Not too strong,
 
Speaking of shapes, this is a nice tale
 
So... You wanna go weightlifting?
 
@AndyProwl Flatland is awesome.
 
@AndyProwl what in the world is that?
 
@ʞɔᴉN A novel - sort of. Beautiful read if you have time for it
 
4:02 PM
alright I'll check it out
 
@Rerito Why does everybody think of weight lifting when it comes to gaining A BIT of muscle mass?
 
@ChemiCalChems Because it's efficient?
What's wrong with it?
 
I wouldn't start with weighs
 
@Rerito It's boring as fuck and will give me much more muscle than I need.
 
@ChemiCalChems You are wrong there (at least on the second part)
 
4:03 PM
@ChemiCalChems no it won't
 
you risk to hurt yourself and you can grow some muscle without them. At one point you will reach a plateau and need to lift weighs to get more though
 
@AndyProwl I don't even plan to weight lift. I plan to use my own body as weight. That's the mass I wanna move. I don't wanna put up a 10 kg burden up and down all day.
 
yeah, body is mostly enough if you just want to improve a bit
 
@AndyProwl With ego lifting out of the equation and some knowledge, you'll be alright :)
 
@Rerito it depends
 
4:05 PM
@AndyProwl That's what I tell everyone. Bodies are made to move themselves and a bit more weight. Not lift extra kilos
 
I hurt myself and I thought I had knowledge. It wasn't about ego, more like - I didn't know what was too much
 
nah, bodies were meant to survive
there's a lot more to it than moving yourself around
 
@ChemiCalChems Depends heavily on how you lift. For muscle growth, you do a few reps at maximum weight. For conditioning, you do more reps of lower weight.
 
@ʞɔᴉN And too survive, they have to move their own mass efficiently.
 
@AndyProwl Which moves did hurt you?
 
4:06 PM
@ChemiCalChems efficiency is key, which is why you have a "default" build
if you stop training and you stop eating, you'll slide back to your original build
which is why "just gaining a bit of mass" isn't so simple
 
@JerryCoffin I mean, I'm in shape already. The only problem is my pec area is a bit under developed. But I don't wanna get a fucking insane pec area and leave all the rest untrained.
 
I hate body-weight exercises
 
@Rerito not one kind of move in particular, but I suspect most of the stuff I did with too heavy dumbbells. The end result is that my backbone is slightly damaged and hurts when I do certain movements.
now I only work out without weighs
 
@ʞɔᴉN Gaining a bit of mass, whatever the mass, even if fat, isn't easy for me anyway. Plus I never said it was gonna be easy. I'm just saying I don't wanna lift weight.
 
weights aren't necessary by any means
 
4:08 PM
indeed
 
Become a plane, you'll start producing lift.
 
@AndyProwl Pushup and pullup based workout then?
 
like Andy said, you can do a lot with body weight but you'll eventually reach a plateau
 
@ʞɔᴉN I know. That's why I'm gonna use my own body as my training weight.
 
I don't see how you could develop shoulders without weights though
 
4:08 PM
@Rerito And cardio, and maybe some arm workout with not that much weight
 
@Rerito That, plus abs and most importantly high-intensitity interval training. Running, swimming
 
@Rerito Swimming is a very good option.
 
Unfortunately I can mostly afford doing that in summer only, cause in winter I get sick way too often
 
And what about back thickness?
 
Extra weight exercises are just so much better for me. Body-weight ones tend to need a lot of repetitions and I have hurt myself a lot of times because of bad form.
 
4:09 PM
Because pull ups will only get you width
@Veritas Yeah and the feeling of power when you perform a big squat or a big deadlift
 
@Veritas yeah same here; I have no patience for high-reps and anyways you can get quite sloppy
had a friend who was big into crossfit which emphasizes high reps and he was constantly injuring himself
 
@Rerito I wanna be proportional. Not a terminator. I have made this clear about 6x10^5 times already.
 
@AndyProwl HIIT is killing
 
lol crossfit
 
@ChemiCalChems you will never become a terminator, don't worry
 
4:11 PM
@Veritas Cross fit seems nice cause it isn't as boring as normal gym training.
 
@ChemiCalChems When not done properly, crossfit is an injure factory
 
@Rerito Yeah, it's tough, but that helps you burn quite a lot of fat, and even if you have big muscles they won't be visible if they're buried under a layer of fat
 
@Rerito this
 
@Rerito When done properly, it's fun and it delivers.
 
if your goal is just to have a lean body, you can go a long way without weighs
 
4:12 PM
@ChemiCalChems Oh yeah, but when your WOD states "do XX DL reps", run for time
And at the end you begin to be sloppy, your back becomes round and crack say goodbye to your spine
 
@AndyProwl Holy shit. I have been told that way too many times already. I knew that before even starting the conversation.
 
This or the common "crossfit pullups"
@AndyProwl I do some tabata runs on the rowing machine sometimes. My heart beat skyrockets so much every time
 
user1804599
Hello!
 
howdy
 
sop m8
 
4:15 PM
@Rerito I do both running and swimming HIIT, I hate it and love it because it's exhausting as fuck but it improves stamina a lot and helps burning fat
 
@ChemiCalChems I'm just trying to kill a prejudice here: weightlifting won't turn you into a terminator
 
the problem I have with crossfit is that many exercises just don't make sense but I may be misinformed on the matter.
 
@AndyProwl The last tabata run I did was the day after my leg day. The burn in my legs was so intense lol
 
@Rerito I know. But I don't even want to get close to that. I wanna do physical activity, that maintains my general appearance.
 
@Rerito :D I injured my leg yesterday while swimming. Today I'll have to do abs. Hopefully it will recover soon
 
4:16 PM
> hasn't even started working out, worries about turning into Arnold
 
The problem with only doing cardio, which I did till know, is it trains your heart, lungs and legs to the limit. Awesome. But the upper body receives almost no benefit.
@ʞɔᴉN You didn't get the point of my statement.
 
@ChemiCalChems No doing cardio won't develop your leg strength
 
@Rerito Running and cycling doesn't? Holy shit.
That's a big statement.
 
Cycling definitely does
 
@ChemiCalChems If you do track cycling oh yes it does
But guess what, champions do weightlifting to become more powerful :)
 
4:19 PM
@Rerito I did mountain biking. And that trains your explosive power to the limit. Also, helps you keep up a good level of resistance.
 
Ell
Cardio won't increase muscle mass
In general
 
@ChemiCalChems You must have a very good stamina
 
@Rerito I'm naturally a sprinter. But my stamina is quite good, yes.
 
If you'ld do some weight training for your legs, I can bet you'ld become an even better sprinter
 
user1804599
Muscle mass is useless.
 
4:20 PM
It's all about measuring the energy you have left, which I do quite good.
 
user1804599
Pressing buttons on a keyboard doesn't take much effort.
 
@rightfold Except hip thrusters. Hip thrusters are really useful (for a man at least)
 
@Rerito No doubt. But I'm fast and light naturally, which is nice.
 
user1804599
The pelvic thrust is the thrusting motion of the pelvic region, which is used for a variety of activities, such as dance or sexual activity. == Sexual activity and innuendo == The pelvic thrust is used during sexual intercourse by many species of mammals, including humans, or for other sexual activities (such as non-penetrative sex). In 2014 a British survey found that 'misdirected' thrusting was the number one cause of (sexual) accidents between adults in the bedroom. In 2007 German scientists noted that female monkeys could increase the vigour and amount of pelvic thrusts made by the male, by...
 
user1804599
Hip thrusters don't exist.
 
4:22 PM
Hip thrust maybe then
 
Actually, as a kid, biking would hurt my lumbar muscles because I was way too light and pedalling itself made me have to put pressure onto the seat so I didn't bounce.
 
@rightfold not really, even if you're not active it does help prevent injury/aches
 
> In 2014 a British survey found that 'misdirected' thrusting was the number one cause of (sexual) accidents between adults in the bedroom
blinks
 
misdirected?
 
Xeo
broken bone-r
 
4:25 PM
ouch
 
> between adults
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl ?
 
user1804599
Sex between people who are not adults is not uncommon.
 
When all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a monad.
 
@rightfold well, yeah, I guess
 
4:27 PM
@AndyProwl Guess the survey was targeted.
 
Argh I want a good Haskell book to be released
 
"Haskell: The Good Parts" -- 10 pages long
Beginning and ending are, funnily enough, 10 pages long
 
user1804599
JavaScript: The Good Parts is -10 pages long.
 
@rightfold Considering that the number of pages is an unsigned integer, those are going to be a lot of pages to read.
 
user1804599
JavaScript only has double-precision floating point numbers.
 
4:36 PM
Actually isn't that a real book?
 
JavaScript has only "number"s
 
user1804599
user image
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'This page (stackoverflow.com/questions) is currently offline.'
 
user1804599
Good.
 
4:39 PM
works for me
 
I think I have it in ebook form, haven't read it yet because web development is not my thing.
 
Jul 28 at 3:29, by nick
@caps ahem node.js?
I still think I would still avoid JS because "loose" typing.
 
:)
 
That stuff is gross.
 
loose typing is gross at first.. then you get used to it
 
4:42 PM
Just like rape
 
and then you become a terrible programmer like me
 
to be honest I never had the chance to do some serious web development.
 
true
 
Upgraded
Taskbar Tweaker doesn't work yet, which is slightly annoying due to Firefox ordering windows wrong
 
the looseness of javascript is kind of scary at first but it can be quite handy
 
4:43 PM
is executing c++ applications possible on websites?
 
i.e. you don't have to overload a function 5x, you just check args
 
like if you have a webserver, can a js print the output of a compiled cpp executable?
 
@ʞɔᴉN I prefer making the "handy" things explicit.
 
You can always "check args"
 
@ChemiCalChems Yes
 
4:44 PM
@ʞɔᴉN Sounds more like a use for template functions...
 
FastCGI
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Awesome. Thanks
 
JS not enforcing signatures is nothing but a source of bugs
 
@CatPlusPlus Amen.
 
I like dynamic typing , hate weak typing.
 
4:45 PM
Yeah fuck weak typing
 
@caps maybe, I have no experience with C++ templates
 
user1804599
Use PureScript.
 
@ʞɔᴉN They can be messy and complicated, but if you keep it simple they are delightful.
 
Multiple desktops woo
This might be useful
 
so revolutionary
 
4:48 PM
@caps ie writing a lisp dialect using templates.
 
It could allow desktop per screen but doesn't seem to
 
@CatPlusPlus Is that a normal thing for OSes with multi-desktop?
My monitors are different sizes. Actually different orientations, too.
@Veritas An example of messy and complicated?
 
Dunno, it'd be more useful than just global desktop
 
 
@CatPlusPlus In my case, windows would be in the wrong places.
 
What wrong places
I wonder if HyperV got any new cool features
Don't really care about Cortana and other bullshit like that
All turned off
 
@CatPlusPlus A window positioned at x:128, y:150 with width:1000, height:200 would have a different ratio with respect to the right monitor than to the left one.
 
Uh and what does that have to do with virtual desktops
 
@CatPlusPlus If I use virtual desktop 2 on my right monitor and then switch it the left monitor everything on desktop 2 will be positioned wrong
I'd have to reposition everything.
 
And if you reorder screen settings everything will be positioned wrong
Maybe just don't do that?
 
4:54 PM
on OS X both screens switch workspaces at the same time
 
@ʞɔᴉN Makes sense.
 
Watching other people eating the Carolina reaper is kinda entertaining.
 
I treat my monitors as two separate things anyway, I'd like an option to clear out windows that are on one from taskbar on the other
 
@StackedCrooked Did you?
 
Did I eat a Carolina reaper? No.
 
4:55 PM
@StackedCrooked I love that show.
 
I don't know if it's sold here.
@caps I like it too.
 
@StackedCrooked Now I have to watch the "main show"
 
@CatPlusPlus THIS. SO. MUCH.
 
Also it has the silly fingerprint and photo ID login :allears:
 
Ugh. Why.
How is this so fucking hard to get.
 
5:06 PM
Because people are dumb
Overall it's 8.1 + some useful bits + some bits you definitely want to disable
Metro bullshit is no longer fullscreen
Which makes it 1000% more acceptable
 
my mind breaks with asian alphabets
:c
 
They really want you to use Microsoft account, you can't use the feedback thing without it :vvvv
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's called Windows Hello as in "hello, I think you're the right person, please have all access"
 
50
Q: Is uninitialized local variable the fastest random number generator?

amuseI know the uninitialized local variable is undefined behaviour,and also the value may have trap representations which may affect further operation, but sometimes I want to use the random number only for visual representation and will not further use them in other part of program, for example, set...

 
@ChemiCalChems Asian languages commonly don't have alphabets.
 
50 upvotes?!?
 
5:12 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes They have their ways of writing letters.
 
They're not letters
 
They have their way of writing out sounds, just like our letters. Is that valid?
xD
 
Seems I have to reinstall VBox
 
Ell
I got Das Kapital
 
+1 This is a perfectly legitimate question. It's true that in practice, uninitialized values might be kindof random. The fact that they aren't particularly and that it's UB doesn't make asking that bad. — imallett 10 hours ago
 
5:16 PM
I would imagine that anyone worth his salt, before asking such a question, would at least print out 100 "random" numbers and notice that they're not even close to being random.
 
@fredoverflow questions like this always earn a lot of upvotes.
btw Real World Haskell is so badly structured that it's kind of funny
 
welp made myself a minor winner
22
Q: Windows 10- turn off game notifications

DeadMGI upgraded to Windows 10 today. I'm kinda liking it but every time I launch a game, it pops up some stupid notification, like "Use this keyboard shortcut to take a screenshot", or "Use this combo to open the Game Bar". How can I make Windows 10 stop pestering me with things I don't want to do wh...

 
Gmrlrmlmlml
Fucking awful build. 8 cores it's been 10 minutes
I wanna leaaaaave fuck fuck fuck
 
Cat island seems like a fun place.
 
@Puppy OMG you're famous!
 
5:20 PM
@Puppy Created an account so I could +1 :)
Mildly looking forward to Starcraft 2.3.
 
Will it work on Linux?
 
I'm all alone, I can dance and slack while compiling lol
 
@Puppy you play SC2?
can't remember if I ever got out of bronze league haha
 
@StackedCrooked Is that where @CatPlusPlus came from?
 
@rightfold love the Thinkpads!
 
5:26 PM
@wilx yes
There's also a fox village.
 
@ScottW whatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhatwhat.
 
Oh noes.
 
nuuuuuu not the kitten
 
@Puppy So a Puppy walks into a Game Bar…
 
5:34 PM
indeed
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Nice.
 
user1804599
You kill pigs and cows, so kill cats too.
 
user1804599
And eat them.
 
user1804599
You know who also killed a cat??!?!
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked this seems cooler than cat island
There is not much meat on a cat
I guess more than a rabbit though
 
5:45 PM
i cri evertim
 
much less than your mother though
 
5:56 PM
It might be UB, it might be a dup of A, it might be a dup of B, it IS a pile of utter shite that no sane developer would ever write, (unless they had just won the Lottery and just wanted to get fired for fun). Code like this is of negative value to SO - it just gives a very poor example for less experienced developers to follow:( — Martin James 7 mins ago
> (unless they had just won the Lottery and just wanted to get fired for fun)
lol
 

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