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9:00 AM
@FlorianMargaine arrrr... no!
 
@rightfold fear
 
also a 14yo guy hanged himself in Poland because people bullied him for being gay
 
@buttifulbuttefly lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz That'll teach that faggot
 
that's what a lot of people said after his death, incidentally
 
9:03 AM
Reminds me of the times where I considered throwing myself out of my window for being gay
good times
 
was that before or after you were a girl
 
So once again
I'm wondering whether I should learn CMake vs Ninja
 
@VermillionAzure Use GNU make you scrub
 
I ended up letting myself starve in my room because jumping was too scary
 
9:05 AM
CMake is the worst piece of shit ever
 
@nabijaczleweli fuck that do you think I enjoy using it?
 
@nabijaczleweli and GNU make is even worse
 
@VermillionAzure autotools
 
@FlorianMargaine i've heard this is GNU and related to make
no
 
@FlorianMargaine oh right those are even worse than gnu make
 
9:06 AM
@buttifulbuttefly how very dare you try to make this about you, typical puff
 
also CMake generates makefiles
 
@nabijaczleweli rotfl
 
@BartekBanachewicz What do companies use, Bartek?
 
@BartekBanachewicz also not the same?
 
@thecoshman lol
 
9:06 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah I know that, so I thought it was better to learn
But it seems really bulky and annoying too use
 
autotools generates makefiles too...
 
@buttifulbuttefly #bro-hug #sly-grope
 
Plus it has commands for packages... that don't exist on Windows
 
@VermillionAzure We use GNU make and it's a complete fuckup everytime we need to build something. No lessons learned so far.
 
RIP little polish faggot, I'm actually very sad you killed yourself
 
9:07 AM
At Intel we had CMake and it worked OK
 
@VermillionAzure These two tools have different scope, really.
 
at my previous job I had CMake as well and it also worked ok
 
CMake's syntax is terrible.
Although I am indeed happy that I mostly don't have to deal with makefiles at work.
 
@BartekBanachewicz i'm just so unused to its command line interface
 
@buttifulbuttefly kinda ironic that it was people being dicks that resulted in him kill himself...
 
9:08 AM
I personally used SCons when I was still writing in C++
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah I saw the SO answer
 
People suck at writing makefiles (not just at making good makefiles...)...
 
@BartekBanachewicz SCons is a build stool silly, not an editor
 
@VermillionAzure do you know how you get used to stuff? By using it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz well duh
sighhhhhhhh
 
9:08 AM
@thecoshman a build stool
 
Alright I guess I better start pairing up with CMake
 
@thecoshman Now I am not sure if to laugh at your reading skills or writing skills
 
@buttifulbuttefly ... SCons like yo put S every where....
 
SH = sh
clean:
     $(SH) -c "rm -rf *.o"
Actual lines from a makefile I encountered at work recently.
 
the fuck
 
9:09 AM
@BartekBanachewicz how about you shut the fuck up?
 
are you offended
 
Interesting to observe how Java and C++ users are satisfied with their language
why markdown why
what did I do to you this time
 
Xeo
missing http
 
@AndyProwl missing http
 
no http
 
9:09 AM
> Quantitative Developer
nice
 
there
 
@AndyProwl fuck C++
 
thank you guise
 
np endee
 
@AndyProwl (missing http)
 
9:10 AM
May 30 '13 at 21:03, by Tony The Lion
Fuck C and Java, and fuck C++ harder
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl that also counts "fuck C", sadly
 
lol
 
@Xeo true, but still
Zero occurrences of "fuck Java" in the Java room must mean something
 
@Griwes heh
 
about 10 occurrences in PHP room
zero occurrences in Python too
 
9:13 AM
@AndyProwl There's a dedicated room for that
 
@AndyProwl only 14 in js room
 
@milleniumbug yeah but the only occurrences of "Fuck Java" there are by Loungers :D
 
Fuck C++ - Every room
 
so either 1) we're grumpy perfectionists that need to curse on stuff or 2) other programmers are sloppy fanboys that can't see all the bad stuff or 3) C++ really sucks
 
all 3 are correct
 
9:17 AM
lol
 
@AndyProwl Also I think such messages would be simply removed from the room, given that Java developers are precious little snowflakes, as seen on the comments on this question and its answers
 
I'm still here
Though I do think one day C++ might become outdated
 
@VermillionAzure Hi still here
 
By something like Rust...
 
9:17 AM
TIL in Poland people actually rob trains
 
> I am under the impression think that Stack Overflow treats all the programming languages equally.
> YOU GUYS ARE LANGUAGIST!
PHP also sucks. One of our highest starred messages will attest to this. Try not to take things like this too seriously... — DaveRandom Sep 2 '14 at 12:54
Nice.
 
Well, to continue
I'm going to try and make a game about blocks hitting each other
I'll post it once I'm done
 
Google Photos, y'all fucked up. My friend's not a gorilla. http://t.co/SMkMCsNVX4
AHAHAHHAHAAHA
oh my god
/cc @buttifulbuttefly
 
To be honest, if you don't like the idea that Java sucks and want to stay away from it at all cost (being oblivious to the problems is the first step towards fixing them, after all) you want this room to exist: it keeps the discussion about Java sucking outside the Java room so you can continue living in your Java-is-wonderful-and-rainbows bubble of the Universe. — R. Martinho Fernandes Sep 2 '14 at 14:18
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh wow
 
9:20 AM
'tis great
 
I didn't know image recognition had made such leaps in accuracy!
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz racism isn't funny.
 
Gorillas are not a race
 
what
no
/MACRO(HEADER_DIRECTORIES return_list)/
/    FILE(GLOB_RECURSE new_list *.h)/
/    SET(dir_list "")/
/    FOREACH(file_path ${new_list})/
/        GET_FILENAME_COMPONENT(dir_path ${file_path} PATH)/
/        SET(dir_list ${dir_list} ${dir_path})/
/    ENDFOREACH()/
/    LIST(REMOVE_DUPLICATES dir_list)/
/    SET(${return_list} ${dir_list})/
/ENDMACRO()/
WTF NO
 
9:22 AM
wtf is that shit
 
NO
THAT. IS. CMAKE.
OH MY GODDDDDDDD
 
user1804599
> Leukemia patient (6) wants Greece out of eurozone
Make-A-Wish Netherlands does everything it can for little Joey
 
Don't write imperative code in declarative languages
 
oh my god
 
@VermillionAzure no, that's morons writing code
 
9:25 AM
@milleniumbug no, that's how you recursively include directories to include files from in Cmake
 
user1804599
@milleniumbug or declarative code in imperative languages (lol FP in C++)
 
with a macro
you know what?
fuck it.
 
@VermillionAzure and why would you do that
fucking build systems are nice
 
And it's only photos I have with her it's doing this with (results truncated b/c personal): http://t.co/h7MTXd3wgo
@jackyalcine @stubbornella I'm sure there's just some guy sitting at google mass-tagging pictures of africans as gorillas.
 
I'm going to make a build system
i'm tired of this stuff already
 
9:28 AM
@AndyProwl it means they have a different atmosphere, less all-time messages, etc.
 
@VermillionAzure wrong. Go back 10 places, do not collect $200.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Maybe they crowd source tagging as a captcha and 4chan is playing with it :D
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah you're right
i'll just use ninja already
 
@buttifulbuttefly yeah see above
ahahahaa oh my god that comment
response to "google is 70% male, 2% black"
> Do you know any global corporation, well managed and bringing profits, in which "seven out of 10 workers are female, 60% afroamerican, 2% of employees being white"?
 
@Mr.kbok gg
 
9:32 AM
ahhahahhaha so I'm hitting a bug that's caused by a race in a single threaded javascript application
Someone sets a timeout... and in the branch that handles errors (including timeouts...) fails to re-check the condition they are waiting (...) for.
I don't know whether that or the fact they are actually waiting is more retarded here.
(Well, "waiting", by periodically polling the condition -.-)
 
@buttifulbuttefly you're comic back to you rope right? how long? tl;dr meet up :D
 
idk why you think 'single threaded' is important
 
also according to microsoft's "how old am I" I'm 35
 
@CatPlusPlus Because it's a race.
 
But are you a gorilla
@Griwes So? Single threaded programs don't run in vacuum
 
user1804599
9:34 AM
 
You have to try hard to start racing with itself in a single threaded application.
 
You don't need multiple threads to get races
Plus JS is multiplexed
 
@CatPlusPlus for example, the problems he's facing now :D
 
user1804599
@Griwes it's not single-threaded.
 
user1804599
There is another thread that you don't control.
 
9:36 AM
@CatPlusPlus I know. Ugh. I am just saying it is much harder with a single thread.
 
@Griwes 1. Check if file exists 2. Assume you can open file
Boom, race
 
user1804599
That's two threads.
 
user1804599
It's another thread that can change the file's existence in between.
 
How can you get a race without having more than one thread?
 
user1804599
You cannot.
 
9:37 AM
Sorry but I think rightfold is making most sense right now
 
2 mins ago, by Cat Plus Plus
@Griwes So? Single threaded programs don't run in vacuum
 
Environment matters
 
@AndyProwl By assuming that you are never preempted.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl But people often forget about external threads.
 
9:37 AM
> I know. Ugh. I am just saying it is much harder with a single thread.
Stop being a Cat.
 
Except not really
 
I still don't understand how a single thread can cause a race with itself
 
@CatPlusPlus Except this doesn't deal with files.
 
god
Whatthefuckever
 
@AndyProwl A timing issue, in this case.
 
9:39 AM
also if you clicked the link but didn't watch
fast-forward to 2:20
 
@AndyProwl because it's not a single thread in this case.
 
user1804599
@Griwes even without preemption you can still run into trouble: parallelism.
 
Ok I give up because this is going to make me feel stupid
 
user1804599
If multiple processors share a resource and one mutates it, you need synchronisation.
 
user1804599
Doesn't matter whether it's a simulated processor, a real processor in the same machine or another machine on the network.
 
9:44 AM
@thecoshman Plane to yurop in 2h. Leaving work now for the airport
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl It cannot. It's impossible.
 
user1804599
Car analogy: if you are racing on a track with no opponents, you always win.
 
c u guis
If there's any plane crash in the next 12h assume that's me
 
@AndyProwl Outside factors exist
 
inb4 cicada causes the crash
 
9:45 AM
@rightfold ..and you always come last.
 
Even if you have only one thread
 
@buttifulbuttefly woah, that's cutting it fine :\
@buttifulbuttefly don't forget to smuggle something
 
user1804599
If you're racing against a timer then the timer is your opponent. And in a computer a timer runs on a different processor.
 
user1804599
Which may be optimised in any way (such as special hardware support)--see as-if rule.
 
You might get hibernated and when you resume the environment is totally different
 
9:48 AM
Yeah I realized that but you're always racing against a second thread even if that's not in your own process
 
user1804599
Concurrency is a factor in almost every application.
 
@AndyProwl Yesthatsthepoint
"Single threaded" means nothing, because your program is not running in the fucking vacuum
 
I see
 
@CatPlusPlus it is
 
user1804599
Concurrency is also extremely interesting. :3
 
9:49 AM
christ no it's not
 
I dare say I know more about this code I have than you.
 
@CatPlusPlus brb installing linux on a vacuum cleaner, so I can prove you wrong
 
user1804599
@Griwes Your program communicates with the outside world, and the outside world is a different thread.
 
I dare say that your code is not relevant
 
user1804599
It changes regardless of what you do.
 
9:50 AM
@CatPlusPlus I dare say you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about, so I don't care what you say.
 
user1804599
wait
 
user1804599
why did I unplonk Griwes again
 
@BartekBanachewicz hell, that's scary
 
I'm talking about being surprised that races might occur in ~~~single threaded~~~ program (and that's not even correct because it's JS)
 
I dare say we should all calm down :D
it's friday
 
9:51 AM
Nobody cares what your code does
 
@Griwes are you using an OS?
 
@AlexM. high five
 
But yeah "my code doesn't use files" jesus fucking christ
Very relevant to the topic
Do I have to preface everything with "IM TALKING IN GENERAL"
 
user1804599
We can all conclude that Griwes is bad at concurrency, programming and life.
 
@CatPlusPlus You are talking in general. That's the exact problem.
 
9:52 AM
if you want to avoid races, you need to go low level
 
Because I am talking about a very specific piece of code
that does a very specific thing
in a very specific (broken, btw.) way.
 
user1804599
If you want to avoid races, you need to synchronise.
 
@thecoshman your mom needs to go low level
3
 
user1804599
Or don't do any side-effects ever.
 
9:53 AM
calms down
 
Or don't use hardware in which bits might flip
3
 
@FlorianMargaine Look at my profile lol
 
@AndyProwl :\ my mum probably would want to avoid races
 
@FlorianMargaine You don't know it??
 
@thecoshman :D
 
9:55 AM
@CatPlusPlus what about flop?
 
@Mr.kbok nope
 
It might be noted that the empty constructor is called even when the expression is without braces. — jiggunjer 3 hours ago
 
I need some other trainers to be able to wear... these are starting to really notice the heat...
 
> the empty constructor
 
@Mr.kbok I should?
 
user1804599
9:57 AM
empty clittor
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