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8:05 PM
For gods sake GCC
in constexpr expansion of »Constainer::BasicVector<T, MaxN, CopyTraits>::erase<char, 256ul, Constainer::CharTraits<char> >(((Constainer::Array<char, 257ul>::const_iterator)((Constainer::BasicVector<char, 256ul, Constainer::CharTraits<char> >*)this)->Constainer::BasicVector<char, 256ul, Constainer::CharTraits<char> >::<anonymous>.Constainer::Array<T, Size>::begin<char, 257ul>()),
((Constainer::Array<char, 257ul>::const_iterator)Constainer::BasicVector<T, MaxN, CopyTraits>::end<char, 256ul, Constainer::CharTraits<char> >()))«|
 
@milleniumbug How come I get a compiler error if I add void operator=(int) = delete; to X?
If it doesn't exist in the first place deleting it should make any difference, no?
 
@HalfEvil It does. Overload resolution considers that function just like any other candidate. =delete is a definition, not part of the signature.
 
= delete; makes it a candidate for overload resolution and if it's selected and deleted then it makes it a compile error
 
I really need to use my raspberry pi for something
 
@AlexM. Fuck her right in the pussy
 
8:08 PM
hahaha I love that guy
 
inb4 flag
 
I always laugh when I see videos with him
 
its a flaggy day today
 
so silly and simple humor
<3 it
 
@AlexM. I thought you meant me :/
Nevermind
 
8:09 PM
no
 
jk
 
@Borgleader look at it this way
if Columbo doesn't get flagged
at least we know who the troll that flags everything is
 
@AlexM. No, you do not.
 
I didn't expect you to admit it anyway
 
I wanna try the quest again
but it's frustrating
 
8:10 PM
@Rapptz Okay thanks I see. Although I think doing x = 5 should generate a error instead of using X(int) followed by operator=(X)... but I guess that is just another C++ "feature"
 
@AlexM. I haven't denied it (which does not mean that I implicitly admit it!). I just said that there is not sufficient evidence for that statement.
@Rapptz ?
 
@Rapptz I'm trying to have sex with keira metz :\ and it seems she just wants me to do stuff for her and be friends
 
@HalfEvil lol it is a feature, no need to put scare quotes. If you want it to not compile then make the constructor explicit.
You only earn your C++ Bashing Card when you actually know the language.
I wish I could spam signs
or well not spam
but a more reasonable time limit
 
I assume everyone saw this?
 
@Rapptz If I put explicit X x = 5; wouldn't work either though..
 
8:12 PM
@Rapptz Tawny Owl?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum pretty much (as in "yes" not as in "it's really pretty").
 
@Rapptz :) Well C++ is not very intuitive compared to some other languages sometimes..
 
It's pretty awful.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum 'tis hacky.
 
@Rapptz Oh come on. Can't I please bash it just a little?
 
8:13 PM
I use tawny owl and swallow most of the time
tawny owl = higher stamina recovery = more signs
swallow = vitality
the devs did a really good job at designing the big cities
 
@HalfEvil X x(5);
 
Oxenfurt looks awesome
I wonder how Novigrad is like, since it's bigger than Oxen
 
It looks really cool @PolymorphicPotato @Rapptz
 
Honestly I like the game.
 
Because it's really hacky
 
8:15 PM
C++ is really hacky.
 
As in, I wouldn't use it but I wonder how they did it
 
How is it implemented?
 
@Rapptz Yeah I know but still, the point is that I might want to use = for the constructor but nowhere else (I could just delete operator=(int) then though)
 
I have a couple of massive frustrations with the game.
 
8:18 PM
my only frustration is that the gameplay is so generic
nothing to stand out
 
@AlexM. I liked that I could just waltz into Novigrad, even though they look like two separate maps on the world map
 
1. Autosave in this game is really really bad. It's disgustingly bad. Every game I've played has better autosave. The autosave never triggers here. They trigger like once every 30 minutes when you're on a main quest and nothing more.
 
witcher 1 had that awesome rhythm based combat
@Rapptz spam F5 all the time
 
witcher 1 combat was god awful
 
it was different from the average stuff you see in w2 and w3
I liked that
 
8:20 PM
different != better
 
better for alex m != better for rapptz
you want to end the discussion with this?
 
if you want
 
wtf prof
> Which was the first OO language? Describe it in 5 rows.
> Simula
> Looks like something I wouldn't use.
> Looks like something I won't use.
> It actually reminds me of Pascal.
I'll deliver this
 
that's only 4
 
I'll also add the bit where Bjarne said it drew inspiration from it
 
8:23 PM
@Rapptz @PolymorphicPotato if any of you actually care how it's done - here is how: parasol.tamu.edu/~yuriys/papers/TS12.pdf
 
> PDF
Well, good thing I don't then. :)
 
Ell
it's time to find a runtime format for my models
 
I like .bin :p
 
TIL }{ is called the eskimo greeting operator.
 
Ell
8:26 PM
I guess I could just .obj for now
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum read this already
 
@PolymorphicPotato make game about eskimos
 
eskimo[x] }{ eskimo[x+1]
 
8:26 PM
that would imply game development
which is terrible.
 
??
profit
 
@StackedCrooked I swear I've seen smaller :|
 
this screenshot = nostalgia :<
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked it looks cool
 
8:33 PM
@StackedCrooked lol
must be cheap
 
it is
 
@Borgleader I usually open the door and take bits of it with a fork to see if it's ok
I'm going on a nostalgia trip and I don't know why :<
runescape was so nice back then
I was playing like these random 2D stuffs in miniclip until I saw some ad about runescape in 2003
then runescape happened
 
@StackedCrooked I was in one at Fukuoka. It is not bad. The worst thing was that all the alarm clock, each capsule has one, would beep the whole morning, very early, as the salary men did not reset them when they left.
 
8:38 PM
@StackedCrooked thanks again for putting range-v3 on Coliru
 
@wilx that sounds really bad
@TemplateRex np :)
 
Ell
@AlexM. same
 
helped me get an answer to this Q
 
@Ell funnily enough I never trained any skill hard and only went after quests
 
@wilx Japan doesn't take kindly to NEETs so you're expected to gtfo your capsule bed in the morning.
 
8:39 PM
in something like... 10 years
I never reached lv 99 in anything
and my combat level was like 74 or so
 
Ell
My combat was 70-something
 
Hey guys I have a question that's too trivial for SO. It involves JavaScript. Does anyone here know what numbers separated by commas means? An example is
4, 5 => 4
 
Ell
my fishing is level 69 I think
 
hi cicada
 
At first I thought it was a shorthand for || but I tried with some other values
1,2,3,4 => 4
Or does anyone know if any similar questions were asked here so I can find them?
 
8:41 PM
@Rapptz Well, the checkout time was something like 9 a.m. The salary men were waking up and the clocks were buzzing/beeping since like 5:30 until 8:00. :)
 
Ell
I'm gonna have to have have noodles now thanks @StackedCrooked
 
@StackedCrooked now I want instant noodles
 
@user4703663 Comma operator is lowest precedence.
 
en ik heb je skills onderschreven op LinkedIn lol.
 
8:43 PM
So.. it tosses out the other numbers.
 
@Ell reminds me that I haven't had ramen in a long time :<
 
x = 1,2,3,4; is same as x = 4;.
 
and it's so tasty
 
1,2,3,4 >= 4 is the same as 4 >= 4.
 
@AlexM. Oden?
 
8:43 PM
though this is due to LTR associativity.
 
@Rapptz thanks!
 
@wilx no I just said it's ramen
shoyu ramen with chicken
 
@AlexM. looks delicious
 
Mm... Want.
 
@PolymorphicPotato yes it is
I'll go get some this weekend
to celebrate my holiday
 
8:46 PM
I'm gonna drink 500ml of water to celebrate Sunday
brb
 
lol guy plays 6k hours of Civ V
"It's ok."
 
@Rapptz Are you sure you want to do that? Seems like you're getting pretty out of control there...
 
@AlexM. Maybe he said that before he became addicted.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It would be stupid if the software showed the current playing time instead of the playing time at the time of posting the review.
 
8:50 PM
@PolymorphicPotato No, that's how it works. It just tells you how much time was spent in total.
 
That's stupid.
 
How come?
 
Because then it adds no value to the review.
Since it's not relevant to the review.
 
I'd argue that the amount of time spent is hardly relevant to begin with. Only a "has this person played it or not"?
 
unless it's an in-depth review
I only look at the hours played
if a guy spent Nk hours playing a game, it was probably good for him
 
8:52 PM
Depends. I spent 7 hours playing MGR. I liked it.
 
Ell
ah damn you @StackedCrooked, I burned my hand on boiling noodle water
 
What's interesting is how good it was.
 
I apologize for that.
 
I'd play MGR only for the story.
But I don't know what platforms it can be played on.
I don't like hack-and-slash games in general.
 
The PC version works well.
As long as you have a controller.
 
8:53 PM
Cool.
 
@PolymorphicPotato why not both?
 
I wonder what Minecraft is like with a controller.
 
@PolymorphicPotato Probably a bit finicky: you'd need to constantly open your inventory beause of the lack of hotkeys.
 
Hmm.
D-pad!
 
just look at how it's played on consoles
youtube: minecraft xbox gameplay
 
8:56 PM
let's see
 
or minecraft android moga gameplay
moga is a controller for android
 
I use buttons 1–9 on my keyboard for selecting items.
 
I like the crafting system on android more than the one on PC
you already get a list of items you can craft and you pick from there
you don't need to place stuff in a grid
 
@EtiennedeMartel Metal Gear Rising? Metal Gear Revengeance?
man, Revengeance, who came up with that
 
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
 
8:58 PM
Jul 5 '14 at 20:13, by Alex M.
I never really understood why they had to call it revengeance
 
@Puppy Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance. Except "Revengeance" sounds stupid so I don't include it in the acronym.
 
because japan
oh wait it was developed in the united americas of state not
 
Revengeance sounds stupid but I gotta give some props to whoever came up with it
I never noticed previously
 
@PolymorphicPotato Made by Platinum, in Japan.
 
I like the crafting in the Xbox version of Minecraft.
In-game recipes.
Instead of having to look them up on a fucking website.
 
9:00 PM
yes
that thing with positioning items in a grid to craft
 
@PolymorphicPotato I agree that that's dumb.
 
is in my book
"increased difficulty due to clunky controls"
so very very bad
at least list the recipes in-game
 
I could make a lookup app and use our old iPad and get an iPad stand.
There are so many items now that it's hard to memorise all their recipes.
Also specifics about farm-to-water distances and stuff.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Don't think so.
If someone has 0.1 hours on a game and they're rating it harshly over something stupid that more playtime would solve then it's relevant info.
I see these reviews all the time.
 
@Rapptz Yeah but you don't need to know they didn't play a lot if they say that.
A bad review is a bad review regardless of who's writing it.
Also, if that person stopped playing after 15 minutes because he found the intro frustrating, he has all the rights in the world to stop.
 
9:06 PM
Beh if a game is annoying in the first hour then I ain't gonna spend next 8 because it might get better
 
I spent two hours of Shovel Knight and I ended up not really liking it. I can say that.
 
Steam reviews are more of "people's impressions" than actual comprehensive reviews
 
A review is also someone's impressions, ya know.
 
Reviews take more skill and patience :v
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm talking about reviews with < 1 hour.
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
user3047181
9:09 PM
does the witcher 3 get better after the first hour or so? when it does it become properly free-roam?
 
@Rapptz If a game sucks in the first 30 minutes, what tells me it's going to stop sucking 30 minutes later?
 
Depends on the game.
This generic discussion is p. meaningless.
@MeltyButter It's fun.
 
I wonder why the lounge is so interested in W3 though
even cicada is it seems
 
Because HYPE
 
user3047181
i was hoping it'd be the same as skyrim. too many cutscenes and mandatory missions...
 
9:11 PM
Also, it has tits and and it's made in Poland.
 
I only saw 2 tits since I started playing
 
@MeltyButter it's an RPG
 
1 in the intro and 1 a while ago
 
@MeltyButter You mean a huge empty world featuring boring characters and locales?
 
Ell
@EtiennedeMartel dwarf fortress man
that game sucks so hard under an hour
 
9:12 PM
nvm cicada isn't interested, he's just trolling
 
@Ell I don't like DF.
 
Ell
Nobody does for the first hour
 
there's way too much shit to do in Witcher 3
 
Ell
or half hour
 
I don't really know what I don't like about Witcher 3
 
user3047181
9:13 PM
@EtiennedeMartel skyrim's empty and boring?? compared to what?
 
yes I think it's the best open world game so far but
 
@MeltyButter Fallout: New Vegas?
 
it's like something complex story-wise like witcher 1 and 2
with these open world concepts built around it that don't really make sense in a way
and are just there to fill up things
 
user3047181
@EtiennedeMartel okay well it's still in the top 3 game worlds, surely
 
I thought the outpost liberation things were silly
 
9:14 PM
Skyrim combat is so bad.
 
then I found out that I can fix shrines in random places for 9xp each LOL
 
Man I disliked Skyrim.
 
user3047181
@Rapptz i like simple combat systems... I don't like having to learn things in games
 
lol
 
Ell
I want zelda equivalent on pc
 
9:15 PM
@MeltyButter Did you like the dungeons? Did you abuse fast travel because of how there's nothing to see? Did you really like all the nameless nondescript characters with no personality? Did you like the generic lore? Did you like the weirdly balanced combat? Did you like the shittily paced plot?
 
skyrim was quite weak except for the combat and graphics
 
Skyrim has good tech but it does nothing with it. It's just a tech demo.
 
of course Alex would like Skyrim combat
 
It is the Doom 3 of open world RPGs.
 
@Rapptz if it helps
 
user3047181
9:16 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Didn't fast travel or ever use the compass or map :P more adventurous that way. don't really care about story and stuff... games shouldn't have stories
 
I think the best first person combat can be found in dark messiah
 
@MeltyButter I disagree with the "games shouldn't have stories" part, but that's another subject. They decided to put a story in Skyrim, except it sucks.
 
I like the storytelling in W3.
 
But then again it was good in W1/W2 too.
I like how the sidequests that are seemingly unrelated manage to tie together somehow.
 
user3047181
9:18 PM
@EtiennedeMartel what's the best game story, in your opinion?
 
planescape torment
 
Play Minecraft.
 
@MeltyButter Mario Kart 64.
 
@MeltyButter Hard to say. Half-Life 2 is a great example of good pacing in a linear game. Metroid Prime has great environmental storytelling. Bastion's plot is quite gripping in a meta sort of way.
 
deepestlore.png
 
Ell
9:19 PM
^this has best story
 
And of course I like the choice that Fallout: New Vegas gives me.
 
user3047181
@EtiennedeMartel Metroid prime yes, a million times yes. if I could clarify, games should never have cutscenes. Stories told through gameplay are brilliant.
 
I liked MP3.
 
wish I would go back and finish this game
the dialogues were always so fascinating
with little bits of philosophy everywhere
 
I never realized how similar Fallout and Planescape are, engine wise.
@MeltyButter I think these general hard rules are not helping.
 
user3047181
9:22 PM
@EtiennedeMartel yeah you're right actually, I like the cutscenes in mgs
 
Ell
I prefer MLG
 
Even I'm not that black and white
and I don't like movie-as-games.
 
Ell
I wonder where @scottw is
 
So allow me to tell you what is truly bad, i.e. movie-as-game.
 
The Order: 1886, eh.
 
Ell
9:24 PM
I'm playing Fez
 
@EtiennedeMartel the graphics tho
 
Ell
what a serene game
 
A game that has multiple cutscenes to fill the lack of actual gameplay time (i.e. cutscene length > gameplay length) is usually an indicator.
A game that features extensive use of QTEs.
A game that has multiple cutscenes that might be decent (TLOU) but the gameplay to back this up is really bland (see: TLOU).
k that is all
 
some games are just meant to be tech demos
and I have never seen a game with better graphics than the order
 
user3047181
they should have released mgs4 as a movie, and separately as a game without cutscenes. There, I've solved it.
 
9:25 PM
@AlexM. It's not even that impressive. It runs at 30 FPS, all the geometry is static, and it uses tactics such as a removing your run function sometimes to hide loading times.
 
that lamp though
 
Ell
I like Volgarr the Viking also
 
@MeltyButter Kojima loves cinema and loves showing off his skills as a cinematographer. That's why he needs to put cutscenes in his games.
 
@MeltyButter The gameplay isn't too bland.
 
9:27 PM
DAT LAMP
 
is anyone familiar with bash scripting, have a basic question?
 
Cutscenes complement the game rather than define it.
 
feeling ashamed of posting to SO directly since it is just one line doubt
 
@AlexM. If I'm not seeing that thing move, I'm not impressed.
 
lol AngryJoe
5 days until Splatoons
 
9:30 PM
any of you using f.lux?
 
@SeçkinSavaşçı I am.
 
Bascially, yeah, The Order looks good, but they sacrificed quite a bit to reach that level of graphical fidelity, and that's probably why the levels are all small, linear, and you move slowly through them.
 
@SeçkinSavaşçı It's good.
 
Ell
9:33 PM
@SeçkinSavaşçı yah
it's good
 
I'm testing it right now. It IS WEIRD
 
I guess I'll play too.
Fucking Wraiths.
 
user1804599
@AlexM. are you a witch
 
user1804599
What is that video game about?
 
@rightfold About the Witcher.
Duh.
 
user3010322
9:42 PM
Hrm.
 
user3010322
get_or_create( T )
 
user1804599
Leaks too much information to API user.
 
Ell
obtain(T)
 
fucking wraiths man
 
user1804599
Just call it get.
 
9:46 PM
 
Ell
yeah why does it matter if it is got or created
 
@Rapptz Is that the new Assassin's Creed?
 
user3010322
@Rapptz Spinny spin spiiin.
 
user1804599
If creation has side-effects then you're doing it wrong.
 
I wanna learn that so bad.
 
user1804599
9:48 PM
Side-effects should never go with laziness.
 
Ell
so much spinning
 
Wo, the Yes won in Ireland.
 
user3010322
@rightfold I am working at the lowest level of the API: this isn't something the user should see. It's a helper function on top of a pre-existing get.
 
user1804599
Then call it bukkake for all I care.
 
user3047181
@EtiennedeMartel i vote'd in that :3
 
9:57 PM
@Ell Damn, enable_shared_from_this is very tightly coupled with shared_ptr so you can't change one without changing another I think.
I'll look around more.
 
Ell
@milleniumbug I don't think that is the case
enable_shared_from_this holds a weak_ptr
just check theuse_count of the weak_ptr, right?
 
There is this weird __enable_shared_from_this_helper that is called from shared_ptr
 

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