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3:00 PM
The Scousers are having a REALLY bad day:))
 
@ThePhD perfectionist syndrome. cure? start with shit (it's called a first draft. if you've taken an english class, this should sound familiar) and then you edit it and you get artwork
 
@ThePhD I'm subscribed to Wired and I have read that article, and basically he was making a point about giving yourself deadlines. So... do that ;)
 
that's called a final draft
it takes time to develop something neat.
 
user3010322
@Borgleader But... but what deadlines for when? ;~;
 
I will finish X feature for Y project in 3 weeks.
and you do that
 
user3010322
3:04 PM
Uh
 
user3010322
I will finish all of the lexer in 3 weeks for Gladell.
 
user3010322
.... There. I said it.
 
user3010322
LET'S DO IIIIIIIIIT.
 
user3010322
OH
 
user3010322
There's other projects I need to work on.
 
user3010322
3:07 PM
Okay, let's organize these...
 
user3010322
In the next week, I will finish the luajit / lua-5.1 compatibility layer for sol.
 
user3010322
That's goal #1.
 
user3010322
For goal #2, I will finish all of the lexer for Gladell in 3 weeks.
 
user3010322
There. Now it's properly organized.
 
@MartinJames Balotelli....
had one goal in the entire season!
lmao
and this whole "sterling" thing is being blown out of proportion
 
user784668
3:09 PM
@MartinJames lol wtf
 
user784668
Scousers noticed Adam is playing and decided to play U10s lest the whole first team have their legs broken?
 
user3010322
Oh. I have to get and build luajit.
 
user3010322
Well, this is going to be... difficult.
 
@DonLarynx they dontt know how to use Mario
He is talented
 
user784668
@khajvah They need to feed him more mushrooms and flowers.
 
3:18 PM
yeah
 
lol I got my history of programming questions via email
I'm so tempted to answer questions like
"Who is RMS?" and "Why doesn't Linus Torvalds grow a beard?"
 
@AlexM. that sounds like an extremely boring class
 
with "A paranoid cavebear." and "Because he's an arrogant prick who thinks beards are dirty."
 
history...
 
user784668
@AlexM. RMS? Root mean square?
 
3:20 PM
@khajvah see prof had this questions by email backup plan knowing p much nobody would attend
 
guys i found @AlexM. on reddit
 
user784668
@AlexM. What have cavebears ever done to you? Stop insulting them, m'kay?
 
Ell
@ThePhD I think you should write down some milestones and then put a deadline on said milestones
 
user3010322
YOU CAN MAKE MEEEE.
 
@ThePhD its in my calendar now, ill poke you at the appropriate time
it better be PHreaking Done
 
user3010322
3:27 PM
@Borgleader That was a cringe-worthy pun.
 
Hah! My mother's Nokia phone's car navigation contains BSD license blurb in my name, among others. But they do not list what software is it...
 
@Fanael He did nothing other than good
 
guys, just a quick oop-design question: assuming there is a no-behaviour/record-like class that also maintains a vector of another record type, would it make sense to make all members public except from the owning vector and expose something like a vector of reference_wrapper to them?
 
3:48 PM
Steven Gerrard will surely remember his last game at Liverpool lol
 
user784668
@khajvah LA Galaxy legend
 
user784668
@MartinJames you're boring, 9th again
 
user3010322
@Rapptz You busy atm?
 
I dislike reference_wrapper. It used to be for forwarding references to functions that took in values, but it's abused for everything now.
But it conveys no meaning, it's as bad as a raw pointer.
 
user3010322
How?
 
4:01 PM
the proposal wasn't only for forwarding references if I recall correctly
 
@ThePhD Capturing by const reference, for one. :F
 
in fact I think it was originally proposed for the utility header.
 
@rightfold Your twitter account could be taken for a troll account (...and that wouldn't be too far from truth...).
 
@ThePhD Storing non-owning references for one.
Get a dumb smart pointer instead.
 
user784668
The moment you write reference_wrapper<T> you should get killed and your editor should replace that with T*
 
4:05 PM
@Fanael No, no, no, that punishment is reserved for people who write std::vector<int*>* vec = new std::vector<int*>();
 
user784668
@milleniumbug There's a Java in my C++?
 
user3010322
@milleniumbug That's exactly what it was designed for.
 
@ThePhD No, not really.
 
reference_wrapper seems more suited than T* for data views imo. T* supports semantics that don't necessary make sense.
 
Xeo
@Fanael no
 
user3010322
4:07 PM
std::reference_wrapper was designed to store non-owning references, e.g. exactly what T& does, but to actually be storeable in a vector or whatever else.
 
The name is bad and it has implicit conversions
 
user3010322
It NEEDS to have implicit conversions.
 
Xeo
reference_wrapper implies non-null.
T* is not a replacement for reference_wrappers.
 
user3010322
Back in the times before auto, my_type& value = some_reference_wrapper was the only way to make sure generic code that expected references worked properly, that and the fact that it decays to a my_type& all by itself.
 
user3010322
Especially if those things that were expected in the generic code were passed by-value.
 
4:09 PM
"Dumb smart pointer" != T*
 
Xeo
@ThePhD In the times before auto, std::reference_wrapper didn't exist :P
 
user3010322
@Xeo If you want to split HAIRS about it, yes.
 
user3010322
Huff.
 
Xeo
:D
@milleniumbug What do you mean with that
 
user3010322
@milleniumbug A dumb smart pointer does not have the same semantics, AFAICT, because a dumb smart pointer can still be null.
 
Xeo
4:10 PM
Whenever I see T*, I assume "non-owning pointer" - which is what the proposed dumb_ptr would be
 
user3010322
std::reference_wrapper cannot be null (unless you specifically go out of your way to create a null reference)
 
@ThePhD This is what I also recall from the proposal. It's just that it was a good solution for many of the functional header utilities so it got shipped with that.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD No, it can't be null. Period. :P
As soon as you dereference a null pointer, you hit UB :D
 
@Xeo I assume unspecified ownership
Which is different than no ownership
 
user3010322
@Veritas A better solution would have just to make std::vector<T&> a thing that worked.
 
Xeo
4:11 PM
Yes, it's different. And I assume no ownership because fuck you if it owns.
 
user3010322
And the fact that I can't overload operator. means that I can't make std::reference_wrapper behave completely like T& in generic context.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD std::reference_wrappers are rebindable, so still not quite the same
 
And I assume legacy code and/or C interop.
 
user3010322
@Xeo You're right...
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Hey, there's the operator. proposal :D
 
user3010322
4:12 PM
Hm. This makes me want a language-level reference_wrapper.
 
user3010322
@Xeo If we get it, 1/2 of my issues with reference_wrapper will die.
 
user3010322
My other issue is that it does things like define result_type and argument_type.
 
user3010322
Which means I can't actually use it with a declared-but-not-defined class.
 
user784668
I want language-level dependent types.
 
user3010322
I mean, most implementations let me.
 
user3010322
4:14 PM
But it's UB to do so.
 
@Xeo overloading operator . should already be a thing =/
 
C++ devs desire to further complicate this shit is astounding
 
user3010322
Complicate which shit?
 
@ThePhD So you're conflating both uses into one. Nice. That's what people do in C with pointers - abusing a single type to do different things
 
C++ shit
 
4:16 PM
16 mins ago, by milleniumbug
I dislike reference_wrapper. It used to be for forwarding references to functions that took in values, but it's abused for everything now.
 
Actually those two words are synonyms
 
user3010322
@milleniumbug T* doesn't accomplish the same thing.
 
user3010322
And T& isn't storable.
 
user3010322
FWIW if you could just store T& you could win everything.
 
user784668
@CatPlusPlus They're not. I've seen shits better than C++
 
4:17 PM
Also, the name is horrible - it essentially describes how it's implemented, not how what it accomplishes.
 
user3010322
But that'd break a lot of the wins that come with references.
 
And so the confusion.
 
user3010322
I would have preferred a language-level reference_wrapper that performed the same functions as std::reference_wrapper, minus the typedefs for binary_function.
 
@ThePhD Never said T*. Make it nonown_ptr<T> instead.
 
Man.
I... got lost. Macro.
 
4:19 PM
@ThePhD Oh, yet another obsure use: provide typedefs for deprecated functional interfaces.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Again?
 
Got off at the wrong station in the regional train and it's one every two hours.
 
Oh jeez
 
cycle to the next station :D
 
user3010322
Wow, that's a long time to wait.
 
4:20 PM
@Etienne it's the first time I get lost long distance.
 
user3010322
@milleniumbug That was a mistake, most certainly.
 
user3010322
I feel like that bit should be depreacted ASAP on std::reference_wrapper.
 
RIP John Nash, btw
 
user784668
I have a solution to all problems
 
user784668
Let's deprecate C++
 
4:22 PM
If by C++ you mean C++ < C++14, sure
 
user784668
I mean C++ < C++∞
 
@Fanael That would solve every problem in the world, including cancer, AIDS, tornadoes, earthquakes, falling boulders, floods, crackers, and thiefs.
 
Fuckin a...nash is dead.
 
user784668
@milleniumbug yes
 
user784668
@milleniumbug …and C++!
 
4:23 PM
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: RIP John Nash loungecpp.net/the-law/newbie-hints [c++] [c++11] [c++14] [c++-faq]
 
@DonLarynx shit... what a stupid accident, unbelievable.
 
user784668
Who's that?
 
Cant believe u just asked that mate
 
It's a character from the movie Beautiful Mind
Played by Russell Crowe.
 
Russell had a car crash.
 
His wife was also a victim.
 
Yeah. Melinda Crowe.
 
Ell
@Xeo Yeah I don't know why they are rebindable really
 
because the whole point is to allow references to be used on containers so they have to be assignable.
 
Ell
4:30 PM
Stuff needs to be assignable to be in containers?
That ain't right is jt
 
assignable/movable
 
Ell
Oh yeah
Well then
 
actually I think this changed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh what the fuck.
 
It's now operation specific I think and I think the reason than references cannot be used is because of allocators.
 
user3010322
4:39 PM
@Veritas new T&* is not a thing you can do.
 
user3010322
It is explicitly disallowed in the language, because References Aren't Realâ„¢.
 
makes sense.
 
lol
 
user1804599
Girls don't play online.
 
user1804599
It would imply there's women on the internet.
 
4:47 PM
dat flag
 
@rightfold Aren't you?
 
dat flag
 
did my pic get flagged
 
no, rightfold got flagged
 
@milleniumbug This question remains unanswered, although it is implied rightfold is a boy.
Possibly an adult male..
pretty cute girl, would pummel with the force of 1000 gravity hammers
 
4:55 PM
@DonLarynx "Adult" is stretching it.
 
user1804599
no
 
user3010322
Okay.
 
user3010322
I have luajit building in Visual Studio 2015.
 
user3010322
Now I know all the functions sol is missing.
 
user3010322
10 unresolved external symbols, JFC.
 
5:21 PM
only 10?
yesterday I managed to get VS to reference a project from itself
leading to 30,000 duplication errors
 
Xeo
lol
 
@Rapptz have you had sex yet
14
in the game I mean
CDProjekt sure has changed since their first 2 games
15 hours in, no sex
some bunnies had some action on camera tho
 
perfect starbait
 
lol
I wonder what made bunnies so crazy about multiplying IRL
is it some sort of mechanism to survive, do bunnies have lots of predators
gotta read
 
@AlexM. You make it sound like literally every other species isn't just as crazy about multiplying.
 
5:28 PM
bunnies have an accelerated reproduction rate tho
> As a result of their appetites, and the rate at which they breed, feral rabbit depredation can be problematic for agriculture.
 
user1804599
what an idiot
 
5:47 PM
I did read the rules. Am I a cool kid now?
@rightfold I suppose he isn't a cool kid
 
Kids these days.
 
@rightfold or you could calm down
 
user1804599
I am always calm.
 
That's technically a gif. No one boxing of those.
 
5:51 PM
I wonder what's the point of the green half-circular part
 
Ell
To keep it lined up I guess
 
it would get stuck without that half-moon
 
Constant drive to step movement....
 
idgi
 
I forgot the name of this mechanism, but it's a way to convert continuous movement into an interval one
here it is
but the italian page has a different name: "Croce di Malta" which means "Malta's Cross"
 
5:53 PM
ah so it's for stopping the red part from rotating
 
not sure which one is right
Ok, I'm done spamming for today.
 
mom was surprised when she saw a tortoise IRL
was unaware they were reptiles and resembled lizards and stuff
"holy shit it's so ugly don't kill it but take it away from me pls"
or was it a turtle
we have small turtles or tortoises or w/e living around here
 
user3047181
you hang out with your mom?
8
 
Ell
Butter is a great indicator of ambient temperature
 
@MeltyButter every now and then
 
5:59 PM
Buthermometer.
 
once per month or so when she visits
why?
 
Ell
@MeltyButter don't you?
 
inb4 orphan
 

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