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9:00 AM
 
Like a good kiss, a good meal should be free from bad odours, not too wet and enjoyed with your eyes closed.
lol?
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees If would rather not argue then you do not react at all. Sorry, you too late. Both sides seem to have done bad things. But the GG side seems to have actual arguments and even evidence of non-ethical behaviour and conflict of interest.
 
$75 for a three-course meal with drinks for four people (total value up to $208)
$59 for a three-course meal with bottle of wine for two people (total value up to $150)
a romantic 3 course meal for a table of 6?
 
They don't serve soup do they
 
Ven
@wilx Please don't argue about this here
 
9:07 AM
@TheForestAndTheTrees I dismiss the harassment altogether, this is Internet and feminists and SJWs think disagreement is harassment. Some people are retards, that death threats are wrong, however that does not invalidate the evidence and issues pointed out. The same way Baltimore riots do not make police behaviour prior to the riots right.
@Ven Request denied.
 
Ven
Well, I can just plonk you either way
 
the deal comes with drinks ... but no, no soup
 
@Ven Yup.
@Ven Much like the anti-GG blocks everyone who disagrees. :)
 
@AndyProwl as long as you eat it with your eyes open, or it has a bad smell!
 
@wilx GamerGate has nothing but lies and bullshit as "evidence", sorry. The entire business was started off of people misusing an ex-boyfriend's angry screed as evidence of conflict of interest where none actually existed, and exploded from there.
 
9:09 AM
@chmod711telkitty y u so oldfashioned
 
@wilx and fuck you if you dismiss the harassment, I have had good friends of mine get sent sick shit, had their family harassed, and been driven out of their homes by these fucks
 
I had no include guards in either of these files — SamY 17 mins ago
lol?
 
@Ven indeed
@fredoverflow sounds ok, if they were C# files. Of TUs
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees It started with that and from the transcripts I have seen, it was not angry, IIRC. If you cannot see game developers getting good reviews from game journalists they have sex with without disclosing the relationship as a conflict of interest, well, what else can I say.
 
@wilx There is literally no evidence of this occuring
 
9:12 AM
@sehe Eating soup with my eyes open?? Nonsense
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees AFAIK Z.Q. has admitted that even. I would have to dig it up.
 
@AndyProwl I often do this. Especially when the smell is bad
 
@wilx No reviews were published after the pair began a relationship, and the only mention before a relationship began was one line in a summary of 50-odd other games.
 
@wilx Are you sure you would?
 
@sehe I always do that, regardless of the smell
 
9:13 AM
@wilx thirdly, none of this justifies any of what GamerGate responded with
 
If I closed my eyes I'd probably hurt myself
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees So. The conflict of interest is clearly there, but with reversed causality! He/she used the raving reviews in order to get the other person in bed!
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees There have been trolls and angry responses and there have been articulate and calm analysis responses. Saying none of that justifies any of the GG response is simply false.
 
@wilx Trolls and angry responses have been the majority from day one in my experience. And I find that vastly more concerning than whatever minor conflicts of interest you can find between the indie community and some journalists. In my experience, an amount of overlap between the creators and reviewers is not surprising in any creative industry.
@wilx so the the fact that this exploded into a 9-month long harassment campaign is what worries me instead
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees That depends on what you consider harassment.
 
9:23 AM
@wilx How about death threats, doxxing, their family getting called up and harassed, former work colleagues getting e-mailed nudes, people hiring PIs to stalk them?
 
howdy
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees From what I have seen both sides are guilty of this.
@sehe I liked this and the other videos in the play list: youtube.com/…
 
holy shit tracepoints are slow
 
@wilx Bullshit. I'm not going to claim anyone is an angel. Harassment and bullying is an issue outside of GG, and there's some on the "anti-GG" side who have been pretty awful in response. But compared to what GG have been doing I don't believe this is a "both sides are bad" issue.
@wilx My issue with GG since day one has been as a stand against the harassment people were getting over it, so don't think going "oh your side is bad too" is going to make me switch sides. I am against all harassment, point-blank.
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees I think I agree. But harassment or not, it does not invalidate evidence/arguments the GG side has.
 
9:28 AM
@wilx Except that most of the evidence GamerGate has is pretty piss-poor.
 
in fact just not present really
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees I disagree.
 
feel free to demonstrate some
 
Yay!
 
@Mr.kbok time for hardware breakpoints. I think there are debuggers that can do this (SoftIce or sumtin but that's probably ~20 years ago)
 
9:31 AM
@wilx We'll have to agree to disagree then. I'm at work so I can't check out the video you posted anyway. And I'd rather not continue to do what I didn't want to do, which is fill this room with our argument.
 
I've gotten a new internship opportunity with a land surveying company creating their new field recording and mapping system!
 
@Puppy Feel free to watch the video I linked.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Were you Microstation or AutoCAD?
 
@sehe I think the Intel tools do that, but I need watch windows, C++ structures interpretation, etc.
 
How old is Visual Studio 6.0?
 
9:32 AM
@Cinch Too old, IIRC it is from 1997 or such.
 
2000?
It says 1998 on wikipedia
 
Ah. Apparently if I want to write C++ for that application, I'm going to have to user MSVC from Visual Studio .NET 2002
The version before that was Visual Studio 6.0
The other option is LISP.
 
You mean 2003 right
 
@Cinch Both are terrible.
@Cinch Take that option instead. I mean it, really.
 
@wilx AutoLISP.
From 2005.
 
9:35 AM
@Cinch Anything is better than that old Visual Studio.
 
@wilx They're using .NET for their newer ones anyways so w/e
 
LISP <3
 
extended weekend starts today yay
4 days of sitting at home and playing CS
 
@AlexM. You must be in high school or something.
 
what a fucking time to be alive
 
9:36 AM
@Cinch Maybe you should interface in C and choose the compiler you prefer.
 
@wilx How is that relevant. The use of "But" in that message indicates that you do think that it lessens the importance of the harassment. Let's face it, Gamergate is about harassment and bullying. That there was a trigger is the rather irrelevant part. That there was (or was not) evidence for whatever triggered it is also blithely irrelevant.
 
@Mr.kbok It's embedded.
 
@AlexM. how is it 4
don't you work today
fucker
 
I'm already at work, but the weekend starts the moment I go home
 
@Cinch Never user VS
 
9:37 AM
so still today
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ey, you ever work on land surveying software?
 
weekend start = friday when you come back from work
or thursday in this case
friday = intl workers day
monday = the company's day or anniversary or w/e
nobody works
 
@Cinch So?
 
@AlexM. Whereas in America it's auto-fire day if you miss
@Mr.kbok It's embedded into the program and the API is C++-native, not C.
It also requires MSVC. Ew. And there is very little backwards compatibility anyways for it going forward.
 
@sehe No, I disagree it is "about harassment and bullying".
 
9:40 AM
My only option IS AutoLISP
 
@Cinch Yes, this sucks. We have this too. We're working on a C wrapper, so that we can choose our toolset.
 
user1804599
sluts
 
That's what I meant with "interface in C"
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Microstation or AutoCAD. Or maybe you don't even work with that which means you're not doing pure surveying.
 
user1804599
9:40 AM
> <Velocity> isnt a semaphore a new student at a uni
 
Uh hey Spotify where the fuck did play queue go
Or history
 
user1804599
> <sfix1> Guys, my sophomore is causing deadlocks
 
@Mr.kbok A C API won't work because the entire thing is just not compatible with forward releases and I won't be the programmer to bind it always.
 
@wilx Working.
 
@Cinch I'm not a surveyor.
 
9:41 AM
I don't want the company to have to keep hiring programmers to maintain C++ code.
@LightningRacisinObrit GIS right?
 
@CatPlusPlus Bottom right
 
Oh that little button in the lower right corner
 
one questions why there's a video about this instead of a well-worded blog post
 
@Cinch Sort of
 
@LightningRacisinObrit You must be working on Martian GIS then.
 
9:42 AM
@AlexM. grrr
 
@LightningRacisinObrit But seriously what do you do?
 
@Cinch I can't tell you
 
I thought they were extinct
 
@Puppy lol, then don't ask for something that you know apriori you will ignore.
 
9:43 AM
@LightningRacisinObrit inb4 if I did I'd have to kill you
 
@Cinch If I said that I'd have to kill you.
153k whoop whoop
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Oh you must be working for some intel agency maybe then.
or a private company
(a.k.a the gov't)
 
NSA, he is evil working in NSA
 
History view has no paging and kills the browser :allears:
 
@khajvah UK has a different name.
 
9:44 AM
He is an amrican spy then, working in UK
 
GCHQ?
 
He is working at Thames House? ;)
 
Idk.
@wilx He must be working for Mr. Rogers.
@LightningRacisinObrit I'm still pissed because I'm at the 550 mark and my question was upvoted and I still can't ask questions.
 
Okay guys I'm setting the sausage width to 1. Let's see what happens.
 
9:46 AM
I'm an asshole too
Top Gear /cc @LightningRacisinObrit
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Because some people don't care about who you are and only care about what you are.
 
@Mr.kbok is it in inches?
 
From my potential employer: "Programmers don't realize that they're just tools. They're a liability, not a production worker, and they're only production workers if they work at a software company. And they're the only people that don't realize this."
 
@Cinch sexists
@AlexM. nooo :(
@Cinch dafuq
 
user1804599
9:48 AM
ohne dich kann ich nicht sein ohne dich
 
user1804599
mit dir bin ich auch allein ohne dich
 
@wilx I don't intend to ignore it, I just will have to delay it for a while.
 
user1804599
Tool is awesome.
 
@Cinch I do not understand it. It seems to be contradictory....
@Puppy OK. I accept that. :)
 
uh polish mid-schoolers
 
9:49 AM
@wilx programmers are tools and they're the most likely to not realize this.
 
> how many days are in a year
> appropriate amount
 
That's wat they siad
 
don't programmers work at software companies
 
@BartekBanachewicz hmmmm I think 369 would be appropriate
 
@Cinch Forgetting the fact that the sentence made 0 sense, everybody is a tool in his sense
 
9:50 AM
They're only truly valuable in terms of production to a company if the form of "production" at a company is programming as a product or service.
 
"...and they're only production workers if they work at a software company." What about this bit? How does it not contradict the "They're a liability, not a production worker,..."
 
@wilx General case: they're liabilities; exception: when the company's product/service IS programming
Fault: me. Cinch English speak no. May not grammar, I can.
 
@Cinch I see. I get it now.
 
@AlexM. no they work at cesspits of misery
 
Well, nice to know that. K'thxbye.
 
9:52 AM
> What do you do at work
> I stir, basically
 
@wilx I noticed this. If you wish to use a new name for the log aftermath of "Gamergate-the-initial-event" go for it. But you will have to accept that all of this is publicly known collectively as "Gamergate". Without it, everything would have been long forgotten
 
why would you want to program at a company that isn't developing software
it sounds like a horrible place
 
@Cinch It still reads really strangely. Basically you're claiming that 50% of the phrases's claims are completely and deliberately irrelevant in what I must presume to be the operative scenario
 
your skills would never be fully appreciated and you'd be surrounded by non programmers all the time
 
1 min ago, by Cinch
Fault: me. Cinch English speak no. May not grammar, I can.
 
9:53 AM
@AlexM. sounds about right
I've never worked at a "software shop"
 
@AlexM. Because it's better than web dev, I suppose.
 
Jul 30 '13 at 9:41, by Lightness Races in Orbit
People keep talking to me about the places where they work. A "software house"; a "C++ shop".

Lol. A "C++ shop".

"Hi there, I'd like 400g of C++, please."
"Certainly, sir."
 
lol
 
@sehe You are mistaken. I do not have to accept anything you say.
 
9:54 AM
@wilx Of course you don't. But then /why try to converse, huh. Goodbye
 
I'd like this badge
it's pretty damn great
 
Oooh! Gamergate!

The entire thing wouldn't have flared up if it was a different situation that didn't involve a woman that supposedly slept around with reviewers to get better scores for her game.
@sehe Gamergate was originally an issue about ethics in the game industry caused by Zoe Quinn, right?
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58 mins ago, by The Forest And The Trees
@wilx yeah the folks harassing and sending death threats is the rational side :rolleyes: that's all I'm going to say on that matter because I'd rather not argue on this.
lol
Following that: hour-long argument on the topic
 
@sehe lol, I am holding a normal conversation. It is you who is trying to tell me what I should accept. Well, I don't have to accept or agree with what you say. This is not trolling.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Is what happens because people care
 
9:56 AM
Hi everyone...just a quick question...can I dynamic_cast a member of a class in a method with the const attribute ? Thanks in advance for your help.
 
@Cinch Well, does it matter what would have or would not have happened in different universe? We are in this.
 
@wilx Well yeah, the only reason it's called Gamergate because it's a similar "validity and ethics" scandal rather than a sexism scandal.
 
@matovitch Dynamic cast cannot cast away constness. You would have to use const cast first.
 
@matovitch "unclear what you're asking"
 
@matovitch Yeah.
 
9:58 AM
yes..unclear let me rephrase
 
@wilx It's also not discussing.
> If you wish to use a new name for the log aftermath of "Gamergate-the-initial-event" go for it.
Coin your damn term. Disambiguate. But "lol - no I don't have to accept anything" - "lol you're mistaken" is trolling.
 
the const on the method i am talking about is the on you put at the end to garantee the instance will not be mutated
 
@sehe Is @wilx denying Gamergate or something? Wuz da problem here.
@matovitch Ah, I see.
 
@sehe It is a discussion. I can agree that term GamerGate seems to be overloaded and has different meanings for different people.
 

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