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10:00 AM
@matovitch Did you try doing it?
 
@Cinch I dunno. I can only see him basically saying that the harassment is irrelevant because there's evidence for the original controversy
 
@Cinch Do not be lazy and do read the conversation that LRiO linked to some messages above.
 
@khajvah "Did you try doing it?" is not always a good advice when the context is C++ (see UB)
 
@wilx Wait what which one
 
well...it take some time to compile...I should try on ideone...lazy me.
 
10:00 AM
@wilx He should read the conversation!
Man, this is definitely one of those times that C++11 would shorten my code and make it better
 
@matovitch Or... you know... on your own computer coliru.stacked-crooked.com
 
// C++03
const std::set<fields::ts::field_key_t>& fields = fields::ts::readableFields();
std::set<fields::ts::field_key_t>::const_iterator begin = fields.begin(), end = fields.end();
for (std::set<fields::ts::field_key_t>::const_iterator it = begin; it != end; ++it) {
    const fields::ts::field_key_t& key = *it;
    config.anull(key);
}

// C++11
for (const auto& key : fields::ts::readableFields())
    config.anull(key);
 
@matovitch use coliru
 
Xeo
@LightningRacisinObrit typedefs dood
 
cool kids use coliru
 
10:01 AM
@LightningRacisinObrit Edited. Happy with the English now? :)
 
@wilx Can't find it
too far up
 
@milleniumbug Well, if it works, then the he gets the answer. If it doesn't, then we can discuss.
 
@wilx Ah. Now we're get somewhere. So, if you insist on separating those, why don't we? Because:
> The use of "But" in that message indicates that you do think that it lessens the importance of the harassment here
What do you say now, beyond "lol - that's not what gamergate is"?
 
@Xeo still a ton of boilerplace even if I typedef std::set<fields::ts::field_key_t> S, including the typedef itself
 
@khajvah Yeah the "if it works" part is sketchy if you add UB into this.
 
10:02 AM
@wilx ;p
 
Xeo
@LightningRacisinObrit also, why seperate begin and it?
 
@milleniumbug I see what you mean, though this case shouldn't be UB
 
user1804599
stty is nice.
 
@Xeo uh no reason in this particular case
 
user1804599
No more shitty POSIX API for controlling terminal.
 
user1804599
10:03 AM
instead, spawn a process to do it :D
 
I still can't find it. Oh well.
 
Xeo
and you can drop the ... key = *it part too
 
@rightfold what do you use it for? (beyond the obvious answer please)
 
@sehe Gamergate wasn't about the harassment and the ugly threats. It was about the ethics of game reviewers and a messy relationship that leaked into places where it shouldn't have. The post-Gamergate reaction was much different than the original message.
It's like saying Jesus preached about torture and putting people on crosses because that's what happened. That's not what the original message was about.
 
@Cinch Let's not get our timelines confused. The harassment and ugly threats were happening for about a week before GamerGate was even coined as a hashtag.
 
10:06 AM
@Cinch We already established that. I'm actually waiting for a response from my conversation partner. being at work, I'm not really interested in rehashing the same observations with more people. You in this case
 
dammit blizzard always get their music right
 
@sehe (I want to jump onto the convo bandwagon here!)
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees Wow this is about when a hashtag started being used, now?
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees Oh, really?
 
10:07 AM
@MarcoA. s/while wearing this//
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees But according to one of the articles, Zoe was getting harassed before the post anyways.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I am contending that GamerGate is, and always has been, centered around the harassment. There is no "post-Gamergate" reaction.
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees Let's not split hairs. If people want to separate the original "scandal" and claim that "GamerGate" should refer to that (like MonicaGate, if you will), let's for the sake of the discussion do that. So that we can move on the the contents.
Why get stuck up on "historically correct labelling". I'm not writing a wikipedia article here. I'm trying to figure out what wilx actually meant to say earlier.
@Cinch Yup. Nice try.
 
:D
 
10:08 AM
@sehe OK, let me restate my position. I think GG has evidence of conflict of interest in gaming journalism (the initial event). I think that doxxing people is wrong but from what I have seen both sides have done it one time or another. I do not think everything one or the other side says is harassment is actually harassment, well, in my opinion. I do not doubt those who feel harassed by their definition of harassed, which is not compatible with mine or general definition of harassment.
 
This is quite cute and I don't know why
 
Am I the only one finding this funny?
 
inb4 omg u only think it's cute cos she's cute
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Because of the face, I reckon
 
10:09 AM
@AlexM. Too bad they don't get their games right anymore.
 
they make them work somehow
that moba of theirs is already played in the pro scene
 
@AlexM. wat
 
@sehe I am willing to accept that people who identified as GG supporters have harassed somebody. But at the same time people who identified as GG supporters have uncovered some conflicts of interest. Saying GG is only about harassment is oversimplification and misrepresentation of facts.
 
Oh you mean HotS
 
yes
it's played under ESL
it's basically an esport now
 
10:10 AM
@AlexM. what.
 
I have no idea how many people play it
 
@AlexM. MOBAs... sort of need to die
 
are you stupid or are you unable to read
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees ok
 
@Cinch why? because you don't like the genre?
 
10:11 AM
@AlexM. "what." is my way of expressing disbelief or skepticism or basically surprise or futless lack of wit
 
stop pinging me with "what"s
 
@LightningRacisinObrit But what about her intelligence?! You objectifying white cis male privileged misogynist! :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, I was a pretty avid League of Legends player and I grinded my way up two whole tiers.
 
user1804599
@sehe as a substitute for termios
 
the predicted LoL market share is huge
it looks similar this year too
 
10:13 AM
@Cinch so, why the comment
 
@AlexM. lol what HotS is bigger than Smite already
 
@AlexM. WoW is getting more and more sucking and noob oriented with every expansion.
 
@BartekBanachewicz because the clones.
 
@Griwes have you tried that famous vanilla server?
 
@Cinch ah right so now people can't make new gmes
 
10:14 AM
@AlexM. Wow, I always thought DotA and LoL were pretty equal
 
IIRC it's popular and it works great
 
@AlexM. As in 1.12?
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees me too
 
@BartekBanachewicz The video game market crashed once because of over-saturation.
 
@Griwes no, it's a private vanilla server, gimme a sec
 
10:14 AM
@sehe: Watch this youtube video series if you have not done so already, I really found it quite interesting: youtube.com/…
 
@AlexM. When/if I'm playing, I usually stick to our Polish Sunwell, running pretty neatly optimized WotLK.
 
@TheForestAndTheTrees hell no. Dota 2 is definitely not as played as the first
 
@AlexM. I think I have an account there. :P But never got too far.
 
@Cinch when?
 
10:16 AM
Although yes, raw WoW 1.x does feel quite powerful.
 
The video game crash of 1983, also known as Atari shock in Japan, was a massive recession of the video game industry that occurred from 1983 to 1985. Revenues had peaked at around $3.2 billion in 1983, then fell to around $100 million by 1985 (a drop of almost 97 percent). The crash was a serious event that brought an abrupt end to what is considered the second generation of console video gaming in North America. The crash almost destroyed the then-booming industry and led to the bankruptcy of several companies producing home computers and video game consoles in the region, including the fastest...
 
Riot managed to deal well with the explosion of its playerbase
 
It crushed Atari.
 
what year was it when they barely had any players, 2009?
and look at them now
 
Atari lost $500 million and now they're running with 10 people.
I'm just glad the MOBA and Minecraft rush is almost over.
 
10:18 AM
> MOBA rush is almost over
lol
 
@Cinch Wow. That is quote a huge fall.
 
That's some misinterpretation of what's going on...
 
@Cinch what
@Griwes you know this Internet fad is almost over
almost noone uses the internet anymore
 
Hello guys
 
I like it when I find things like this laying around
void sth()
{
	if (...)
	{
	}
	else
	return;
}
 
10:21 AM
#usefulsth()
 
@wilx That's part of the cuteness of the video
just all of it
sigh
 
@BartekBanachewicz are you on about the Internet or the internet concept?
 
Its not like moba's been around forever 8}
 
I still don't really know why I should care about this thing called the internet of things
 
printed pizza @AlexM.
 
10:22 AM
but people seem to talk about it a lot
 
that's why you should care
 
printed pizza sounds like something that tastes bad
 
@BartekBanachewicz I've heard that no-one actually lives anymore, went out of fashion.
 
I've tasted one
Not the best, but clearly not the worst
it's edible
 
@AlexM. There's a module in our codebase full of throw something; return
 
10:25 AM
@rightfold more java fun
 
my co-worker told me the other day that I had obj || obj in JS.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit Over 60 hours of gaming? That dude they are talking about is risking some serious health issues.
 
only 60 hours ?
casual.
 
@Mekap Ugh.
 
60 hours straight is pretty bad for your health :A
you wanna sleep too
 
10:26 AM
ark.intel.com/it/products/80806/… -> this is going to end up in a shop window 24/7 displaying a clickable geographic map
sigh
 
Huh, straight, sorry, i read overall
 
C++ is awesome
3
 
@rightfold if you have 'base' and 'extended' and 'base' has 'this.getClass()' will that return the 'extended' class if you call are in a method defined in base but you have a reference to an extended?
(I think not)
 
@Jefffrey i heard java was better
2
 
you heard wrong
 
10:27 AM
Ain't biting that one, sorry.
 
yes, jQuery is better
 
I think the X button on every window should require double clicking to do shit
 
I drank a little bit of milk and now I'm at the toilette, of course.
Why did I stop drinking milk.
 
C++17 might be a nice language
 
B-but, java is so fast !
 
10:29 AM
(C++xy | xy includes modules) is best C++
Actually the one that includes Concepts too
 
@Jefffrey Yup, if the modules are good enough without bad corner cases, etc. :)
 
a good feature is a good feature, but Bjarne said "committee, please do NOT rush to include anything that 'trends' into the language"
 
@LightningRacisinObrit OK, weird video. I couldn't make it past 7:50.
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's pretty optimistic.
 
10:31 AM
Bartek is a pretty optimistic kind of guy.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I am not interested in her talking about getting her hair done. :)
 
that's clearly covert gender judgment
better ping jalf
 
@Jefffrey That's my #1 favorite feature
 
hi
 
@AlexM. Indeed! :D
 
10:33 AM
but my feeling is that it won't make it to C++17
 
I know. Probably not even C++20.
 
C++20 sounds very possible to me
 
I'm sure C++14 sounded very possible for Concepts too
 
but C++17 seems too tight. The last version of the proposal has a section called "Templates" and the body is "TBD."
 
@Jefffrey It didn't.
they never intended to put Concepts or Modules or anything like that in C++14.
 
10:34 AM
@AndyProwl Templates Be Damned?
ooh paycheck's in
 
@AlexM. lol
 
time for the monthly postpaycheck routine
 
"Oh yeah, don't worry guys. It won't make it for C++11, but hold your breath for C++14". And then they finally said "Well, maybe C++17" after a bunch of people died of suffocation.
 
(paying all bills :( )
 
any ideas on how I could convert this to a C macro? gist.github.com/edition-ben/b754766d4323e51342fa
 
10:35 AM
@edition lol "C/C++"
@edition lol "macro"
 
@Puppy Damnit. My memory is failing me hard, then.
 
nevermind
C?
ok, function
 
lol
 
lol
 
in C++, a constexpr function is probably the most natural solution
 
10:37 AM
@edition It is an and and shift. Why can you not do it yourself?
 
because I am tired.
5
 
At least he is being honest
 
this makes me think
 
about what it means?
I'm also confused
is it the ratio of people to parallelograms per continent?
 
@LightningRacisinObrit const std::set<fields::ts::field_key_t>& fields = fields::ts::readableFields(); std::for_each(fields.begin(), fields.end(), std::bind1st(std::mem_fun(&Config::anull), &config));
 
@AlexM. uh, apparently this might be an exercise in reading diagrams for some people :P
@AlexM. there's no ratio presented on this diagram
 
meh I give up
 
don't give up
@AlexM. lol
 
is it 10^9 people per 10^7 km^2 of land?
 
10:44 AM
where do you see that "per" lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz Looks like a bunch of ratios to me
 
I'm 5 months late with my maintenance bill lmao
it's gonna be huge
 
well alright it's "per continent"
 
lol dat NA population density
 
@LightningRacisinObrit made me laugh too
anyway
> In mathematics, a ratio is a relationship between two numbers of the same kind
@LightningRacisinObrit apparently not
 
10:46 AM
...
 
it's the ratio of people to area
 
There are no ratios there
 
For god's sakes
 
10:47 AM
I think what bartek is going on about
 
is it taking population density at the ground level?
 
is that it would've been a ratio if it said how much occupied land there is according to the total surface
 
it shows headcount per continent and area of each continent.
 
but you can get to that statistic from this too
 
It's surface and popcount
 
10:47 AM
so it looks like a ratio to me
 
@AlexM. But it's not what's being presented on the diagram.
 
According to Bartek, a ratio is only a ratio if it's been resolved to a single number, rather than displayed graphically
But you can take any "X per Y" and it's a fucking ratio alright
 
that escalated quickly.
 
Not for the Lounge :)
 
@LightningRacisinObrit except the diagram doesn't show "X per Y". it shows "X, Y per continent"
 
10:48 AM
@BartekBanachewicz It shows both, when you read it in that way.
That's the beauty of graphs! So much information, so much derivation you can draw.
 
Stop arguing about irrelevant things.
@LightningRacisinObrit so much wow
 
5 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@AlexM. uh, apparently this might be an exercise in reading diagrams for some people :P
 
Besides, the intent of the graph, the way it's laid out, is clearly to highlight how the ratio that is population density varies across the world.
 
uh, apparently this might be an exercise in using your imagination for some people :P
 
If that's not a set of ratios then fanny mae's my aunt's fanny
 
10:50 AM
@LightningRacisinObrit I disagree.
 
Why do I even bother
puhlonk
 
if they wanted to showcase population density, they would show population density
 
What the diagram shows is an abstract concept of "size" of the continent
 
10:51 AM
lol hating flags normally but flagging me when it's about you
top maturity
I don't mind losing 30 minutes for that; it's lunchtime anyway!
 
IIRC, ratio is a driver for rodents.
 
@milleniumbug is that thing going down or up :O
it's gonna be a new internet sensation
 
@Ven hmm
gonna read about it later.
 
my jni wrapper is turning out to be really neat
I'm really proud of what I did here, especially since it's my first attempt at doing templates
 
10:52 AM
ahaha now @Bartek is flagging all my messages
because he doesn't know how to read a graph
top kek
 
wow
 
I don't have to tolerate your hostile and toxic behaviour.
 
I think that literally the first class I ever wrote was a template.
 
just kiss already... lrio so tsundere~
 
I think we agreed before that you are a hypocrite.
 
10:53 AM
Dereference war: Never forget
 
cya later

Amusing hypocrisy

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Read that while I'm gone.
 
the reason I asked for advice regarding the 32bit value parser, is because its a component for retrieving the duration of PCM encoded sound files.
 
BTW the diagram description reads Comparison of area (by tens of millions of square kilometers) and population (by billions of people)
FWIW.
 
sometimes I struggle with chairs :(
 
10:57 AM
Chairs are hard
 
there we go.
 
I'm glad it's not just me then :D
 
Lrio de Janeiro strikes again !
or
 
now we can resume the peaceful conversation, for at least 30 minutes
 
Lrio de Janeiro 2 : Electric boogaloo
 
10:58 AM
feels good, really.
actually an hour
 
hehe
 

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