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5:05 AM
@MomotapaLimpopo Yep.
 
What is this from /cc @StackedCrooked @Mysticial
 
wtf this error
@Borgleader you casual that's K-On
Hm.
"That's K-ON! you casual" or "You casual; that's K-ON!"
seriously this error wtf
 
5:21 AM
wat error
 
Oh I see.
test\io.cpp:14:30: error: 'literals' is not a namespace-name
     using namespace numeric::literals;
                              ^
this
it found a different file
that's why
 
5:46 AM
hhave i mmentionned thatt this bbios upddate broke my keybboard (some keys are reppeated)
 
@MomotapaLimpopo Please spell "committee".
 
commiittee
 
@MomotapaLimpopo (( ͡ ͡° ͡° ʖʖ ͡° ͡°))
 
@Rapptz lol
 
is that Like button not copyrighted
 
notice how the hand is not exactly the same as ffacebook's
 
lol
it's pretty close to pixel perfect
 
keyword: ppprety close
 
@MomotapaLimpopo Is the device as gorgeous as reviews would like us to believe?
 
5:50 AM
it is
there is only one slight ddeffect
 
@MomotapaLimpopo cool
 
(not the reppeating keypresses, I guess that will be fixed)
It's the adaptive screen brightness that you can't diisable
I bbarely notice it anymore but in low-brightness it is fairly annoying
 
You can perhaps disable the device.
 
Nope, it's something vvery low level apparently :(
I do recommend the compputer :) it's the best laptop i've had so far
I hope they will fix the bios soon ((and also add an option to disable adapttive brightness)
 
press backspace
it's a good key
 
6:01 AM
Hope it doesn't double press!
 
I hate how Quora makes you sign up to browse. What a fucking infuriating thing to do... bunch of assholes
 
@Pris Ask that on Quora: "Why are you a bunch of..."
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6:34 AM
I have nothing to do the whole weekend.
What do I do?
I am not motivated to do anything.
 
7:08 AM
program some hardware 2 do something interesting :p
 
I have translated what passes for comics/humour in major Czech news web:
I love it.
 
7:50 AM
@sehe I'm sorry if the video sucks. I haven't watched it yet, I just liked the Beavis & Butthead thumbnail.
@wilx idgi
 
@wilx bored much ^^?
 
@wilx I'm guessing this is a Czech pun that no one will understand.
 
2
Q: C++ r-value reference in C terms?

xiver77I don't know whether I am asking a good question, but I am really curious about this. Everything except for this new r-value reference introduced in C++, I can translate and understand in C terms. Not everyone would agree with me but to me, C++ is a highly sophisticated C macro extension. Okay, ...

> to me, C++ is a highly sophisticated C macro extension
right...
 
@fredoverflow clearly he hasn't written any C++ (nor C) vOv
 
@Rapptz It is pretty much literally translation.
There is no pun.
 
8:00 AM
I mean for the joke to be understood there's probably a pun lost in translation.
I don't speak Czech, so it's just a hypothesis.
I think for the sake of your future understanding it's better to not equate everything with C terms because they are, ultimately, different languages going in different directions. — Rapptz 56 secs ago
 
@wilx So it's not funny?
 
8:13 AM
I wonder how I can make catch check if a constructor doesn't throw
 
@райтфолд I hope yours won't look as deserted as mine ;)
 
The first decent question on SO I've seen for a while! — Malik Brahimi 12 hours ago
wat
Good morning, btw
 
Oh yeah, that surprisingly well-received question
 
@Rapptz what are you thinking about, could you show a sample use-case?
 
@FilipRoséen-refp I'm talking about the Catch test framework.
Not the try ... catch block
 
8:24 AM
@Rapptz just using the relevant trait from <type_traits> isn't sufficient?
 
?
I'm testing that construction goes smoothly
i.e. doesn't throw
 
@vaultah SO is like stock market. You never know what questions are gonna get famous.
 
I'm writing tests.
 
@Rapptz you are talking about Catch the c++ test framework?
 
Yes.
 
8:25 AM
oh, I thought you wanted to check if it was noexcept or not
@Rapptz just create a wrapper that will yield true when no exception is emitted, and false otherwise?
 
the problem is variable scope
I kinda wanna use the variable :(
 
@Rapptz you need to use the created variable afterwards? you can probably hack it with placement new
or probably, you can definitely hack it with placement new
 
I could probably just make separate tests that test construction
 
I guess Catch has some notation of tests that are dependent on the success of a previous test?
 
where I don't care about the variable
 
8:31 AM
Scala looks aesthetically unpleasant to me :-\
 
a lot of languages look ugly syntactically imo
can't comment on Scala though
 
@ScarletAmaranth Why?
 
I just spent that last few hours looking at apartments in Chicago... Damn... it's cheap.
At least compared to the shit at home.
 
You can spend the extra money on Chicago Bull tickets!
 
lol
Golden State Warriors FTW!!!
Even if I'm moving to Chicago, I'm still gonna be a die-hard Bay Area sports fan for life.
 
8:39 AM
Right. And I'm gonna write 6502 asm til the day I die...
 
These 1 bedroom condos in downtown Chicago are like $2k/month. Or I can just buy it for $100k...
 
Sure, who hasn't got $100k to spare?
 
If I'm still alive after 6 months, I'll probably just do that. Rent for the first 6 months to make sure the job is right for me. Then just buy the damn thing.
You can't do that in the Bay Area...
 
Do they also accept rep? What's the rep/dollar exchange rate?
repexchange.se
 
"I want to make PC games using C++"
Poor poor reddit
 
8:44 AM
@fredoverflow people buy houses. Mortgages exist. 100$k is not outrageous. Well, maybe considering the size of the condo, but then still
 
@fredoverflow Yeah... Blame it on having worked at Google for almost 2 years while living with parents...
 
@Mysticial $2k/month is cheap?!?
 
@sehe Compared to the Bay Area.
 
o.O
 
@Mysticial Why do you want to leave Google?
Getters and setters are non-idiomatic in any OO language. — fredoverflow 1 min ago
 
8:45 AM
It's also smack in downtown Chicago where it's close to everything. So it's gonna be more expensive.
@fredoverflow Some firm in Chicago poached me.
 
Only $100k?
My god what do homes cost
 
@Cinch Not a "home", but a decently sized 1 bedroom condo - in downtown Chicago.
100k is on the lower end. Most of them are in the 120k - 150k range.
I'd much prefer to be outside the city in a suburban area, but I've found that commute times are a big deal.
 
@khajvah Consider the option that Malik is just happy to be back online! Or that his eye surgery worked out well after the eye-patches have been removed. — sehe 6 secs ago
 
I wouldn't be able to buy a house in the Bay Area...
Those are all upwards of a million.
 
@sehe What do you apply when your Apple software isn't working? An iPatch! — fredoverflow 37 secs ago
thx for playing
 
8:52 AM
@Mysticial such a bad financial decision
 
That's it?
 
@Rapptz Why?
 
Well then again, I do live in Hawaii...
Homes here are like $350
Thousand
 
lol, I was gonna say... $350... that's less than a decent processor. :P
 
@Mysticial You don't just buy houses or condos willy nilly like that.
 
8:54 AM
@Rapptz Which is why I'd prefer to rent for at least 6 months to make sure things stabilize first.
 
Also Hawaii has high living costs and almost the worst traffic in the nation
 
@Mysticial 6 months isn't stable
 
Your rent sucks the life out of you and milk is like... $5 Or $6?
 
FWIW it might be better to rationally think about the long term costs of renting vs buying it + mortgages.
 
@Mysticial I never spend more than ~ $100 on a CPU.
 
8:55 AM
@Rapptz Not an option in many cases
 
@Rapptz If you mean that in terms of an investment, oh definitely. I don't intend to buy it as an investment.
 
tempted to say "that something is a lack of experience". NIH is as old as the road to Rome. One day you'll find that, really, configuration management and deployment are the real challenges. Sticking to "just my code" doesn't change that essentially. And no you cannot afford to write all your own code (unless you don't need security, reliabilty, etc. of course). — sehe 6 secs ago
 
@Cinch lel
 
Or did you mean rent > buy?
 
@Mysticial Not as an investment, I meant as a long term plan of actually buying the place.
 
8:56 AM
Oh well... I'd say owning is better
 
Spoken like someone who has never given this thought.
 
Simply because job and money is unstable and an asset is better than nothing
 
@Rapptz If you assume that prices don't drop any further than they already have in the past 6 years, buying it is the same as about ~6 years of rent.
 
It will provide fallback given you can get the house reasonably
Otherwise, if you expect prices to plummet, rent.
 
8:58 AM
@Cinch assumption being that the house is an asset. For most people, the house is a debt.
 
@Mysticial If you buy a house, does that mean you're probably gonna live there for the rest of your life?
I'd hate that kind of commitment.
 
@sehe true that
 
@fredoverflow Definitely not, I can always move out and either sell it or rent the place out.
 
I don't plan on being a pauper for my life though
 
@fredoverflow It means the commitment to run the risk of losing value when forced to sell
 
8:59 AM
@Mysticial I thought you said it wasn't an investment!
 
It's the same as student debt , in a way
 
@Cinch You gotta be pretty rich to deffo own a house with no mortgage. At least for me in NL.
 
NL?
 
Netherlands
 
@Rapptz It doesn't have to be...
 
9:00 AM
@Cinch You're doing it again
 
Oh.......
 
Well I do plan on making money and I'm preparing my resume for such
 
@Mysticial Search for padawan
 
Also once I graduate from school I should have 0 debt
 
9:01 AM
I'd only buy a place if I plan on living there and settling in.
Otherwise it's not worth for me the various costs involved with actual ownership.
 
@Mysticial Cinch has a bad habit of blurting out doubts question marked parrots without stopping for a second to think/search
 
@Rapptz lol that's what most people say
 
like property tax, mortgage, maintenance, HOA, etc.
 
@sehe This is a common practice for me because it makes for good smalltalk
At least in real life
 
@Cinch wait what. You have a conditional grant?
 
9:02 AM
@Cinch What sparked this conversation was Mysticial contemplating purchasing a place upon living in it for 6 months.
 
@Cinch small talk?
@Cinch real life?
I say: noise
 
I have an academic scholarship
 
Ah. That's nice
 
@Rapptz If the place was a million, then I'd think twice. But really, $100k isn't much for a piece of property.
 
Not the highest one but since I'm insta te, prices are much cheaper
 
9:03 AM
@Mysticial piecelet
 
@Mysticial do you see yourself living there for the rest of your life ?
 
@Mysticial That's just initial cost m8
 
@sehe // this is comment
^ noise taken to the next level
 
^ sure
 
Or rather, is it a place to have a family with?
 
9:04 AM
@Rapptz Of course I know that.
 
Web seems to be dominated by PHP, stack, unholy trinity
 
Everyone does C++.
Except the web I guess but even then I think there's some C++ there.
 
Knowing either C++ or Java, will cover most of the stuff that isn't web development.
 
The companies at meh career fair use Java
I... I don't know what to say
Java is an excellent platform but I don't know if it can really play nice with others yet
I mean I tried to integrate a C library for a hackathon in 24hrs for the 1st time with the JNI but it was so painful
 
Ven
heh, I guess @Mysticial did change avatar, after all.
why is my avatar changing everyday, uh.
 
9:11 AM
@Ven because you're Roxas today, that's why
(...did you get it?...)
 
Ven
@Cinch nope. I even lost my connection.
 
@Ven I haven't changed in avatar in a while.
Not for half a year?
 
Ven
@Mysticial I havn't been here for around that time, so it makes sense
 
Also, any thoughts on Lisp, people?
 
Ven
@Cinch it's good
all hail our CL and racket overlords.
 
9:20 AM
CL?
 
Ven
common lisp. sorry
 
Oh. I was wondering if there was some language that was lisp in non Lisp format
 
Ven
I'd quote dylan
 
Added related answer links to spark your imagination — sehe 18 secs ago
All these not-quite-dupes.
 
What do you guys think about the !< And !> operations?
 
9:25 AM
They don't exist.
 
I know that
 
I'm beginning to realize how much my answers are a pretty vast body of Boost library samples
 
At least in C++
 
@райтфолд Thanks again. Sorry I had to leave, I was dead sleepy
 
@Cinch You wanted to know...
 
9:25 AM
No but as a thing, would you appreciate it?
 
Nope
 
Yeah, okay
Idk I sort of want to do the LLVM tutorial...
 
Vaguebook of the day
 
@Cinch why not start with learning C++?
 
Ven
@sehe good. boost need more examples and all that
 
9:28 AM
@FilipRoséen-refp Oh hi again
And I'm trying to use Flexiglass as a way to learn more
Its introduced me to a fair amount of good stuff so far
 
Is it just me or is @Cinch a massive wanker
 
Learn C, people.
 
Ven
@khajvah no.
 
@Cinch hello
 
@Columbo Does it matter?
 
9:30 AM
We're all wankers
 
@sehe I mean, this site is basically a wanker-meetup isn't it
 
Guilty as charged
 
I don't there are many people on this planet that properly know C++. It is just too big.
 
@Columbo Does it matter?
 
I'm not against the idea of learning C before C++ as a means of understanding everything from bare metal to top.
 
9:31 AM
(Is there a point)
 
@sehe It does if you're a nymphomaniac
 
Do tell
 
@Mysticial I am. Learning C++ after C is like learning how to breathe after getting out of the womb
 
C is weird though
 
How is it weird?
 
9:32 AM
@sehe Made my day (so far)
 
@Columbo That's probably why so many people fail our Google interviews because they don't know what a nul-terminated string is.
 
I do think C++ is more suitable as a general programming language
 
@khajvah It's name is one(!) letter!?
@Mysticial WHAT!?
Hold on
 
C is essential for metal though
 
Ven
@Mysticial you must be joking
 
9:33 AM
@Mysticial A string is null-terminated by definition in the C-standard, isn't it
 
Nope, C is for basically anything.
 
I would not follow the "C before C++" approach if I were to teach classes, but personally, I think that following the historical evolution of a subject gives you a lot of interesting insights that would be hard to get otherwise. Not just for programming
 
I.e. there are no "strings" that aren't null-terminated
 
@Ven I'm dead serious. There's a lot of people who come in knowing only top-level C++. But they freak out at the very sight of raw arrays or naked pointers to the point that they don't know them.
 
C can be, but other things exist because is too basic
Bigger brushes for bigger pictures
 
9:34 AM
@Mysticial Well, to be fair, 90% of all C++-programmers out there are crap
And a good part of those think they aren't
 
If I was a teacher, I would teach Python, then some functional language and then C
@Columbo Exactly
 
@khajvah I'd teach Python or Lua too
But functional... Is it really necessary?
I feel Haskell would be great for beginners though
 
@Mysticial Tell me more about google interviews. I am gonna apply in 2 years :)
 
@Mysticial C11, §7.1.1 "A string is a contiguous sequence of characters terminated by and including the first null character."
So there aren't any non-terminated strings :P
 
char a[8] = "oh yeah?";
 
9:37 AM
@Columbo and I am shamelessly promoting my worthless framework for feedback
 
@fredoverflow that doesn't compile does it
 
@Mysticial The problem with that is that the Google interviews require such legacy techniques.
 
@Columbo It compiles in C, but not in C++.
 
@Mysticial wait you work for Google?
 
@fredoverflow Should by undefined behavior though, right ?
 
9:38 AM
@fredoverflow How on earth does that compile in C? Is the null-terminator appended to the array without actually being an element?
 
This is well-defined in C. There simply is no NUL terminator in that string.
 
@khajvah Don't bother- the interviews are terrible and the C++ style guide is even worse.
 
@Columbo Lots of stuff that should not compile compiles in C.
 
@fredoverflow "An array of character type may be initialized by a character string literal or UTF−8 string literal, optionally enclosed in braces. Successive bytes of the string literal (including the terminating null character if there is room or if the array is of unknown size) initialize the elements of the array."
 
@Mysticial I know that arrays are not pointers. Do I get the job?
 
9:40 AM
hahahaha
 
hahahaha
 
lol
 
@fredoverflow On what level of observation? :D
 
Type system
 
The one and only interview question: static_assert( std::is_same<int*, int[]>{}, "" );
 
9:41 AM
@Mysticial wait But you work for Google?
 
@Cinch yes
 
@Cinch ye
apple didn't take him because of his empty police record
 
@Cinch Check his description/.
 
Ohhhhhhhhhh
It IS the PI GI!
 
user1804599
@fredoverflow :v
 
9:44 AM
@райтфолд so, about Perl
 
user1804599
Perl is great.
 
Do ppl still use Perl prof?
 
no
 
@fredoverflow I can't really disclose details of our interviews, but in short, not knowing basic things like C-strings, pointers, and linked lists for someone interviewing in C++ is almost automatic grounds for failing.
 
@Mysticial Don't know why you can't disclose it, other people like myself are disclosing it all over theplace.
 
9:45 AM
@Mysticial Can you disclose details in an email to me?
Like accidentally
 
@Mysticial Scott Meyers once observed that many Java programmers have no idea how to implement a linked list in an interview situation.
 
user1804599
@Cinch Please use proper English.
 
@Puppy But you don't work for Google, do you?
 
user1804599
I have no idea what you mean.
 
user1804599
Yes, people probably profile Perl code.
 
9:46 AM
@Mysticial how often do you need to touch C#, Python, and PHP?
 
I'm pretty sure you can't technically "disclose" things about a company you're not working at.
 
@Puppy I prefer not to burn bridges. In any case, I'm not leaving Google because I don't like Google (it's a very nice place to work), I'm leaving because I got poached.
 
I didn't know you were leaving.
my point was that it's a bit silly to ask employees not to disclose things that everybody already knows
 
> because I don't like Google
got it
 
Ven
poached?
 
9:48 AM
who did you get poached by?
 
Poached like in poached egg?
 
Some Chicago company he won't disclose.
 
Oh somebody brought the honey pot to Mystical's doorstep
 
WOW. Security issue reporter doesn't get a warm reception github.com/opencart/opencart/issues/1534
 
Well that's interesting
 
9:49 AM
@Cinch Must be a big honeypot to work in Chicago:)
 
@MartinJames Maybe they promised him all the RAM he could use?
 
@fredoverflow ..or unlimited anime storage?
 
well, okeydokey
who you got poached by is your business I guess
 
@fredoverflow I'll disclose it on my profile once I've been there long enough where I feel confident that I'll survive.
 
I didn't disclose where I work either from memory
 
9:52 AM
yeah but no one cares where you work
 
@Puppy That's probably nobody knows that company
 
how many people know the company is pretty irrelevant really
I'd rather work here than Google.
 
@khajvah Too embarrassed - it's a PHP house.
 
lol but @Mysticial what is the deal with Google Summer of Code
 
fortunately it is not a PHP house.
 
9:52 AM
Why cant I do it if I'm not 18?
 
You're not 18 yet? Get out of here!
 
Any idea why?
 
because that's the legal limit for contracts that steal your soul
 
@Puppy IIRC, under 18, you parents can sell your soul.
 
@Cinch Your profile says you are 18. Do you lie to porn websites too?
@Puppy @Mysticial starred it.
 
9:54 AM
@Cinch I've never actually looked or cared much about that. So I wouldn't know.
 
I actually don't remember the last time I got age-gated.
 
My last age gate was when I was 21.
 
@Puppy Me neither:)
 
@Rapptz you live in USA?
 
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Q: I need ideas about a project related to text mining

Junaid ShirwaniI am final year student of BS in cs . My fyp is due and i have to present an idea .I have worked what i need to do but i am not exactly sure about all the features.My project is related to text mining (atleast that is what i think). Here is the idea. I will get the articles from some news website...

cv-pls.
 
9:55 AM
Yes.
 
@Rapptz Yankee.
 
I see, those fuckers wouldn't even sell me a child-size beer when I was in USA
 
they would have sold you a child-size gun though
 
@Puppy Someone who is not Vlad answered it:(
 
I downvoted him
 
9:59 AM
come on @puppy . dont be so rude here . — Junaid Shirwani 36 secs ago
 
@Puppy Me too:)
 

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