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6:00 PM
also Xeo's overload set should already be a thing in the standard.
 
I concur.
@Xeo Well, then it seems to me that we don't fundamentally disagree. I simply think that implementations are inherently useless if they can't power a better kind of interface than the one we already have.
 
Xeo
That specific use case might not be the only one for the implementation
who knows
 
it's not about the freakin' interface
 
then a compelling argument in favour of the implementation would showcase a compelling use case instead of this one
 
@FilipRoséen-refp Well, you haven't shown us the implementation yet, so we can't comment on it.
 
6:02 PM
@Puppy push_dynamic_list<list_tag, int> (); push_dynamic_list<list_tag, float> (); decltype (get_dynamic_list<list_tag> ()) x; // std::tuple<int, float> <- make this compile
 
I can't judge an implementation based on use cases I haven't seen.
@FilipRoséen-refp Why would I ever want to?
 
@Puppy it's the same set of magic
 
Xeo
@FilipRoséen-refp oh, playing around with adding overloads via friends?
 
@FilipRoséen-refp That does not answer my question.
 
Xeo
I tried that once, and had trouble with stuff being instantiated merely by inspecting it.
 
6:03 PM
@Xeo yeah, I played around with the same thing, but there are other ways to express the same thing
@Xeo I'll publish it this upcoming week, with a detailed explanation of what is going on
 
Xeo
What you're basically doing is adding state to a purely functional language. somehow.
I know there was some way to do that.
and you did mention some kind of counter, which tickles a memory
 
probably __COUNTER__
 
@Puppy nope
anyhow, I'm off playing fifa with the little brother
talk to ya later!
 
Xeo
hf
 
see you
 
6:07 PM
I see you
shakin that ass
 
hey stacked
how do I update Wide on coliru again?
ISTR something about an svn repo containing binaries
 
hm, good question
let me check
 
People coming to unconference 2.0 Please ping me your times so they can be added to the calendar so we can see when people are around. Or if you want to be added to view it.
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user1804599
In Go, the Reverse function in the sort package doesn't sort anything. :)
 
Well, that sort of makes sense - if you want to sort in reverse, do reversed(sorted(a))
 
user1804599
6:16 PM
It doesn't reverse the sequence either!
 
...wait, what?
What does it do then?
 
@Puppy can you ask me again later? not feeling really well right now..
 
user1804599
It returns a new sortable from the given sortable but with a different Less method. :P
 
@StackedCrooked No, I forbid you from not answering my Critical Question immediately. Your health is of no concern to me.
 
user1804599
So you must say sort.Sort(sort.Reverse(xs)).
 
6:17 PM
can I get ye old pin on that one there @xeo
 
oh, i see
 
tah
 
@Puppy :D
thanks
 
get cracking slave
 
user1804599
Francis install Mill on Coliru.
 
6:18 PM
@райтфолд No, that doesn't make sense. (or it would if it was C++)
 
user1804599
sort.Sort is based on an interface with a Less and a Swap method.
 
@райтфолд mill architecture?
 
user1804599
sort.Reverse takes an object of that interface and returns a new object with the Less function reversed.
 
user1804599
 
@райтфолд you created a new language?
 
user1804599
6:19 PM
It's quite old already.
 
user1804599
Especially by my standards.
 
22 hours
 
user1804599
But fizzbuzz runs correctly!
 
that's old indeed
 
Wait, who's Francis?
 
6:20 PM
@StackedCrooked a new new new new language :z
 
@milleniumbug the pope
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked 22 days.
 
you held out for a long time this time
 
user1804599
6:21 PM
I have a backup on Bitbucket in case I delete the GitHub repository!
 
user1804599
I have a backup on GitHub in case I delete the Bitbucket repository!
 
So you have to delete both then.
 
Ven
and your local copy
 
user1804599
Yes! And two GitHub forks!
 
user1804599
Wait, I can't delete those.
 
6:23 PM
Anybody teaching rand should have their computer privileges revoked and sent to bed early -.-
 
The important changes
 
user1804599
I won't accept that commit.
 
user1804599
The commit message is not written in the correct tense.
 
6:24 PM
> tomalakgeretkal
I always read that as "tomalak get rekt all"
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user1804599
And the inclusion order is not alphabetic.
 
Ven
but yeah, I've seen rightfold go through several languages during the month-or-so we talked on IRC
 
user1804599
LasagnaScript isn't dead.
 
Ven
amazing :-)
 
ROTFL alphabetic includes
 
6:26 PM
has anybody had the privilege to use CLion for GLEW and GLFW?
 
@райтфолд you prefer the form like "fixes foo"?
 
I'm halfway through configuring it but I got stuck
 
user1804599
@thecoshman No, "Fix foo".
 
user1804599
It's consistent with the generated commit messages.
 
user1804599
6:26 PM
It is also consistent with the way I document my APIs.
 
Last time I used git, I didn't notice half my commit messages were English, and the other half Polish.
 
user1804599
Although that is unimportant.
 
user1804599
@milleniumbug The client noticed half of our issues are in English and half of them in Dutch.
 
Ven
@milleniumbug nie rozunie po polsku
 
user1804599
I didn't until he did.
 
Ven
6:27 PM
or something.
@MLProgrammer-CiM GLEW/GLFW?
 
yup, part of the OpenGL development stack
 
@Ven wrong, but close enough to understand
 
user1804599
@MLProgrammer-CiM Privilege? Sounds more like a double bad luck to me.
 
it was ironic, yes
 
user1804599
It's like, you're using not-Vim with not-SVG.
 
6:29 PM
all the bad choices
 
Also, LRiO's include order is also not quite intelligent by my standards.
 
Ven
@milleniumbug well, it makes sense anyway hahaha.
 
user1804599
Alphabetic master race.
 
Ven
@milleniumbug what's the correct version?
 
Standard headers first, goddammit.
 
Ven
6:30 PM
@MLProgrammer-CiM I didn't like CLion much, tbh. it's broken
 
@Ven "nie rozumiem polskiego"
 
@milleniumbug my thoughts too
 
@Ven broken how
 
@StackedCrooked okeydokey
 
user1804599
6:32 PM
I suppose I can create an amalgamation of mill and millc and use Mill on Coliru!
 
user1804599
It would probably result in a build time-out.
 
Ven
@MLProgrammer-CiM used a broken cmake (and cmake sucks as well), doesn't accept a lot of expressions (like _vector | adaptor) etc
@milleniumbug ah oke
 
@thecoshman I'll be there 12th-14th
 
@AndyProwl oh my, flying visit
 
@thecoshman eh, accommodation in London is expensive :(
 
6:33 PM
not gonna stay very long either. not really money issue, but lack of vacation days
 
@AndyProwl not that much
 
@Ven cmake sucks...make sucks harder
 
@thecoshman it's all relative, I guess
 
@Ven VS sucks too
 
how do i grep for something that's not X?
 
6:34 PM
@Ven the whole C++ toolset sucks major dick
 
grep -v doesn't do what i want
 
user1804599
SSCCE.
 
2 nights in London costs more than 3 nights in Berlin
 
Standard headers first, then the third-party libs, and then my own headers. (also, windows headers never, or at least as late as possible)
 
picking comparable hotels
 
6:35 PM
@Blob -v is 'invert' ie not matching
 
Output: "LALALA POOP LALA
LA LA LA"
I want grep to find the first line
 
I don't care about the order, as long as they're grouped correctly.
 
@Ven for all the shit the C++ elitists give to any other language I forget as soon as I have to double donkey dick myself by taking several afternoons in build hell for something that's trivial in most other platforms
 
@AndyProwl that's not a huge difference :\ how long were you in Berlin?
 
So: find any lines containing something more than just "LA" :|
 
6:35 PM
@MLProgrammer-CiM so what doesn't suck?
 
@thecoshman I think 3 nights - not sure though
 
@milleniumbug But sometimes the order matters.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Vim
 
either 3 or 4
 
@райтфолд hehe
 
6:36 PM
@Nooble That's the reason for the second rule, mentioned in the parens.
 
and I did spend less for accommodation than 2 nights in London
 
@StackedCrooked :shrug: Rust?
 
yeah, staying with robot saved me a fair bit :P
 
anyway, why is make install not available for mingw
 
@StackedCrooked cheap whores
 
6:37 PM
@MLProgrammer-CiM Get MSYS2
 
eheh, yeah. If I didn't have to save for my trip to Italy, summer holiday, other duties, I'd stay longer
 
@milleniumbug I'm in msys2
 
Ven
@MLProgrammer-CiM I'm not a c++ programmer, fan or elitist. I can barely "speak" it.
 
user1804599
yes ven is noob
 
Ven
;-)
 
6:38 PM
λ make install
process_begin: CreateProcess(NULL, mktemp -d /tmp/glew.XXXXXX, ...) failed.
make: makefile:58: pipe: No error
install -d -m 0755 "/usr/include/GL"
/usr/bin/sh: install: command not found
makefile:288: recipe for target 'install.include' failed
make: *** [install.include] Error 127
 
user1804599
oh boy a haskell or scheme programmer
 
user1804599
better plonk asap
 
Ven
good guy ;-)
 
@Ven Keep it up and you'll evolve into a nooble.
 
Ven
@Nooble i'd much rather be a noodle :)
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6:39 PM
shit i drank too much
and its so early
 
Stupid noodles, I'll crush them like all the others!
 
@AndyProwl would that trip to Italy to be for the family and thus not count as your summer holiday? aka the same thinking I have when going to my parents
 
turned out parents had an unopened bottle of jack dnaiels and everyone was curious to see what its like
 
user1804599
Perl has a module called Class::Struct. It's mildly amusing.
 
@thecoshman yeah, it's for seeing my parents
 
6:40 PM
@MLProgrammer-CiM Wait, are you building glew?
 
well my primary drink was ofc the gin and tonic but i had to try the whisky too
 
@MLProgrammer-CiM It's in the repo, you know.
 
@райтфолд please tell me it only defines functions :P
 
@milleniumbug I could just link it if I barely grasped a hint of what I'm doing
 
user1804599
@thecoshman It only defines functions.
 
user1804599
6:41 PM
> Class::Struct exports a single function, struct.
 
@milleniumbug I know, but from the binaries I don't know how to link it properly with cmake.
 
@райтфолд LOOOOOOLLL
 
@milleniumbug I'm building GLFW too, so why not
 
user1804599
> Given a list of element names and types, and optionally a class name, struct creates a Perl 5 class that implements a "struct-like" data structure.
 
glfw is also in the repo.
 
user1804599
6:42 PM
This is very useful.
 
I don't think that carried anywhere near enough sarcasm
 
@MLProgrammer-CiM I remember the pain and suffering I had to go through to build GLFW.
 
@milleniumbug yes. And no instructions on how to make it available.
 
Haven't used CLion much though.
-lwhatever?
 
Ven
@thecoshman do you know perl OO?
 
6:43 PM
@Ven vaugely
 
@milleniumbug Clion runs on CMake, so nope
 
there's not much to it really
 
Ven
@milleniumbug you can't configure most of cmake options.
 
but I've not touched perl for too long
 
Ven
like, I tried changing CMAKE_CXX_COMPILER, and it wasn't picked up.
 
6:43 PM
@Nooble GLFW is done now, but GLEW is proving a pain because their CMake relies on GNU tools
 
user1804599
@thecoshman Touch Perl.
 
did you guys hear that?
 
pacman -S binutils?
 
@MLProgrammer-CiM You're building GLEW for what... MinGW?
 
I need to finish sorting out my travis building... it's stuck with the wrong version of GCC being used... need to do some setting or something... simple enough I am sure if I bother to look into it/
 
6:44 PM
@Nooble yes
@Nooble I have the binaries too, is it good practice if I just dump them in a lib folder and link against them?
 
user1804599
@thecoshman Apply Perl to solve the problem.
 
@райтфолд o_0 pinkpill wouldn't solve this problem... I need to update my .travis.yml to make sure gcc-4.8 is used
 
@MLProgrammer-CiM I'd rather build 'em myself. Since GLEW's a but of a pain to build for MinGW, here's a guide.
 
@MLProgrammer-CiM install command must be in some package. I have it on my MSYS2, but I don't know which package it is.
 
Ven
@райтфолд why not awk ? :o
 
user1804599
6:47 PM
Because Perl > AWK.
 
@milleniumbug let's say I have the mingw binaries, how can I link them directly from cmake?
 
guys
GUYS
 
@MLProgrammer-CiM Sorry, can't help you there - never used CMake.
 
a gaming towel
at what point while gaming are you using a towel
 
@AlexM. :O
 
6:49 PM
@milleniumbug has anyone ever? everyone seems to be stuck in makefiles
@Nooble have you ever used cmake?
 
@MLProgrammer-CiM I'm stuck in makefiles, also in IDE projects, because switching build systems is a pain.
 
@MLProgrammer-CiM Yes.
The GLEW makefiles don't work for MinGW IIRC.
You have to compile manually.
 
@Nooble what if I grab the mingw binaries from the webpage
 
:\ I really should keep track of what episode I am on
 
user3010322
If there was an IDE that properly wrapped / generated CMake build files I'd be pretty happy with that.
 
user3010322
6:54 PM
In fact the reason I like VS is because the build system has a painless external interface that they FINALLY got right, even for C++, in VS 2015.
 
user3010322
Hopefully they won't fuck it up with something dumb in RTM.
 
@ThePhD I like VS because it's pretty vOv
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Fucking IDEs always want to use their fucking project formats.
It's horrendous.
 
user3010322
The alternatives are generating things like makefiles or generating things like Ninja files.
 
user3010322
Eclipse generates makefiles and its never fun.
 
6:55 PM
CMake seems to abstract it all - it gives you all the options to generate project files.
But then you have to write in CMake
And also need to learn CMake
 
user3010322
I wish CLion chose to wrap ninja rather than CMake.
 
user3010322
But CMake can generate ninja files.
 
user3010322
So if they can get a good CMake -> Ninja default, I think I'd like CMake whole lots.
 
Ven
clion uses cmake because cmake abstracts it all
but then, cmake blows..
 
Is there a thing that's a git like interface for creating projects?
As in xxx add main.cpp, and main.cpp gets added to the project?
And this abstracted over the build engines and project formats?
This should be a thing.
 
user3010322
6:59 PM
Really, a build system should just be a sequence of executable commands with every command having pre/post conditions.
 

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