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1:00 PM
Time to go.
 
I haven't linked to my profile on SO
But now it occurred to me, how are they going to send me a T-shirt in case I guessed the number of peanuts?
 
I did. I'm loosening up a bit
@AndyProwl You didn't. It's 256, obviously (likely more, but I still answered 256 for good taste)
 
:(
@sehe Depends on what's on the back side I guess
 
). And +1 for the "health insurance", not every dev lives in a third world country without public healthcare. — l4mpi 16 mins ago
(psst don't tell Shog about that +1)
 
imma order pizza
 
1:03 PM
The part that's not visible may be filled with other stuff
 
17 mins ago, by Xeo
> I have never been on Stack Overflow. I just love taking surveys.
@Rapptz does he live in a box or something
also lol @ "mad dosh"
@AlexM. bit early
 
Ell
I couldn't find the peanut thing anywhere
 
what do you mean "find" it
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I didn't get any money from the ATM today so I only have two options for food
either I go out to get money
 
@AlexM. getting pizza in is totally an evening thing!
 
1:05 PM
or I order and pay with the card
well it's 4PM
almost
it will be ~5PM when it arrives
and I'm hungry
I can't avoid the shitty transport fee
w/e I'll order something else
 
Ell
order a salad
 
23 hours ago, by Andy Prowl
Ah. I'm late, as usual
 
@Ell too cheap
can't avoid transport fee
 
Oh no not the transport fee
Order more food
 
@PM77-1 If you think a middle school student is impressive, you should visit the LAMP tags: They are full of infants. ;P — Yannis 3 hours ago
 
1:10 PM
too much food
can't eat it
 
Store for later
 
I'm at work
 
We haz deh steak, four veg, roast and mashed potatoes. E-3 minutes..
 
it would just get thrown away or eaten by others
 
Take it home
 
1:11 PM
lol yeah as if I'm going to walk around town with a salad in my hand :A
 
This is really not a hard problem
 
schnitzel + fries
sounds good to me
 
don't worry. If you're not fully grown yet your peanut may still grow.
Besides, it's what you do with it
 
Ell
:P
 
I'm gonna make schnitzels
 
1:14 PM
wow. you discovered undefined behaviour. Well, it's best you learn early. But rest assured, it's not "interesting". It's a pain you'll be avoiding for all the time spent programming — sehe 9 secs ago
@CatPlusPlus said God when he reconsidered how his creation panned out
 
OOH FRIED BRIE
disregard what I said, this is what I'll get
 
I'm missing breadcrumbs
Stupid shops
 
the wall and my head are getting to be very god friends these days :(
 
Yeah why would I buy a whole pack for almost nothing if I can just buy breads and go through the entire process manually
 
1:23 PM
because you already have bread and you don't need to go out to buy breadcrumbs
:A
 
No, I don't
Also one isn't enough
 
you don't have bread at all times
how do you survive
 
By eating things that are not bread
 
yay ordered food
 
user1804599
1:26 PM
I have yet another idea for a new programming language.
4
 
Don't you do anything else
 
chicken + gorgonzola
two things I love
 
Ell
@рытфолд go on?
 
Xeo
Oh great. Whatever lib Unreal uses for the Clang build doesn't have std::put_time
 
1:45 PM
> One more time, with feeling templates hehe
 
@рытфолд You might want to finish something for a change
you know, like normal people do
 
No. He doesn't
@TonyTheLion Needs citation
 
tbh, seeing rightfold never finish anything has a weird effect
it's both funny and depressing at the same time
 
I don't know how he does his job
 
> I am wondering if you are looking for a new job and if you are willing to relocate to the Netherlands (Utrecht)?
 
1:48 PM
maybe they give him chocolates every time he finishes a project
 
I could move to rightfoldland!
 
user1804599
It's a language where code is executed from bottom to top.
 
lol
@рытфолд what use, besides confusing people, does that have?
 
@TonyTheLion Met den stok achter de deur, natuurlijk
 
@sehe lol
 
user1804599
1:50 PM
Just wait.
 
@TonyTheLion what's confusing about stack languages?
 
user1804599
I'll implement it this evening.
 
@рытфолд hint already exists
 
@sehe probably that I don't know how they work
 
user1804599
Tacit programming is wunderful.
 
1:52 PM
bool is_valid(string s) { return !(s=="-2-2" || s=="--22" || "2--2"); }sehe 26 secs ago
Silly questions. Also ::AfxMessageBox o.O
 
@sehe AfxMessageBox evokes thoughts of fear in my mind. Not sure why.. 404 - memories not found.
 
o
ma gawd
 
E-rightfold: sanity not found.
 
E_USER_RIGHTFOLD_PRAVAKAVUMAN_HAAKITAATIK
 
Xeo
> cannot find -lLND
grrrrrr
This is Unreal.
Literally.
 
2:04 PM
Vec<T>
 
Got really excited about coding, technology and AI whilst watching ex_machina. Then remembered I’m a front-end web dev. Ha-ha float: left;
5
 
Float stage left
 
I'm sooooo slacking off
Fortunately I'm wearing my xkcd shirt to state it proudly
 
the chicken was good
the sauce was more cream than gorgonzola but w/e
 
@CatPlusPlus lol 'promptly'
 
@MarcoA. oh it's not the worst of that framework ;/
@MarcoA. not that they need the military prowess (they're already awesome). Just, splendid opportunity for birth control and brainwashing
 
@sehe /agree on that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit nice reference to T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM
are you sure this is the code? start1 and end1 are unused here. Proper factoring of the code avoids error-prone situations like this. I've added such a factored solution to my answer (it might be too generic for your taste). — sehe 14 mins ago
 
2:40 PM
For some reason today I'm throwing results instead of returning them
 
@AndyProwl OK, just return on errors then.
 
user1804599
@Puppy what do you do in LLVM IR for functions that never return?
 
user1804599
I currently do tail call ...; ret T undef but this seems silly.
 
user1804599
Oh right. :D
 
2:56 PM
So I was a spot bored the other day, decided to play around with planning a PC (with no intention of buying it) using a fairly "get what ever kicks ass". Surprised by how the 'crazy' price has come down. Like a bleeding edge CPU (the six core haswell-e) only like £500
 
@thecoshman HDD and RAM?
inb4 4GB of RAM
500GB of HDD space
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion I think he's talking just the CPU
 
@Xeo oh fuck yeah :P
 
with the rest the shit, case, (water) cooling, about 1500 to 2000
but still, that's cheaper than I recall "go crazy" prices being.
ddr4 is (unsurprisingly) expensive, 16gig is £200
But a beefy top GPU is around four or five hundred.
 
3:06 PM
@thecoshman prepackaged watercooling, or DIY?
because DIY can can get nuts insane expensive
 
DIY
I really want to build a water cooled PC, just for the sake of making one
but it's really expensive, and not that worth it unless you have already got powerfulll stuff.
 
@thecoshman I've found the corsair prepackaged ones to be really nice
they can't do GPU obviously but they make my linux box virtually silent
 
@Xeo add a key already!
 
@thecoshman I've been thinking about building a water cooled table (with a built in computer)
that'd be kinda sick, though it will be a complete waste of both money and time
of which I have neither
 
Xeo
Fuck's sake. Did anyone here dabble with cross-compiling Unreal Engine for Linux on Windows before?
 
3:21 PM
Windows -> Linux? Ha ha you're screwed
 
Don't bother
Run a VM
 
it's way easier to just VM a linux and build on it
dam cat's faster
 
ffs Bartek is right ¬_¬ well done @Xeo
 
Xeo
:(
 
@FilipRoséen-refp yeah, would be nice
especially if it was a place you plan to stay in long term
 
3:25 PM
@thecoshman it probably isn't.. I've never stayed in the same place for too long
 
Was thinking about having a loop go up to the storage tank in the attic, that'll really help with the heat :P
 
user1804599
Ah, noreturn attribute.
 
curse of being a Filip
 
@FilipRoséen-refp well, you could bring it with you
 
State of multi-master replication in Postgres is annoying
 
user1804599
3:29 PM
setjmp is weird.
 
user1804599
function y u return twice
 
@рытфолд Because that's what it's defined to do.
 
user1804599
fork is more interesting
 
user1804599
it returns twice but in different processes!
 
user1804599
What is NaN useful for?
 
user1804599
3:40 PM
Why not throw instead?
 
Not everyone wants to handle everything through exceptions?
 
user1804599
Not everyone wants to handle everything through NaN?
 
if NaN throw;
 
@рытфолд It made sense at the time (compared with integer UB).
If I'm not wrong, the behaviour of invalid FP operations is configurable
 
There's more than one kind of NaN
 
user1804599
3:46 PM
Would exceptions be sensible?
 
I like the bread.
 
@рытфолд It's mostly an optimization. In many cases it's faster to carry out a whole computation, then check at the end if it succeeded than to have to check at every step of the way to see if something has gone wrong, and throw an exception if so.
 
@JerryCoffin hence why turning on FP exceptions is frowned on
 
Garlic Nan is my favourite, but the restaurants seem to charge too much.
@Mgetz ? Are FP exceptions not raised by hardware?
 
@MartinJames they can be but it's optional
you can turn them off (and they are off by default last I checked)
main issue is that they go through kernel mode so having one is massively expensive
it's the equivalent of going to the hospital for a stubbed toe
 
3:56 PM
@Mgetz Sure but... something's gone wrong?
 
@MartinJames a NaN at the end will tell you the same thing
most HP floating point I've seen is designed to either go to NaN or be something useful
but that's more a @Mysticial question
 
@Mgetz Oooh! Err... forget it then :)
 
I understand the theory and have written some of the code, but I'm not a numerics person and I definitely don't have their experience
 
user1804599
I know what I will do.
 
user1804599
I'll add preconditions to floating point operations.
 
user1804599
3:59 PM
Violating preconditions in release mode is UB.
 
user1804599
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lol someone downvoted this
 
@CatPlusPlus if you have enough them, Batman
 
@bukko: Who's the one wasting time here, really? The people who spent time debating and discussing this issue, or the person who literally only commented to say "don't you people have jobs?" Don't you have a job? — Lightness Races in Orbit 6 secs ago
hehe
syncgem-io-test.cpp:232: error: ‘min_value’ is not a member of ‘std’
syncgem-io-test.cpp:233: error: ‘max_value’ is not a member of ‘std’
syncgem-io-test.cpp:234: error: ‘accumulate’ is not a member of ‘std’
wtf
I included <algorithm>
oh, _element
I can't read
 
4:22 PM
accumulate is in <numeric> AFAIR
 
omg i fixed it thanks @EtiennedeMartel
 
I did nothing.
 
your suggestion to replace cin.fail with !(std::cin>> acoeff) worked.
 
when you do things right, it's like you did nothing at all
 
@milleniumbug that too
 
4:36 PM
@DonLarynx not again.
21 hours ago, by sehe
> (Rest assured, I didn't exactly invent this. It's quite a famous conundrum and pops up on SO every 20 minutes)
It really does pop up every 20 minutes.
Sometimes in slight variations
 
user1804599
4:48 PM
Oh woo a survey.
 
user1804599
> What is your gender?
 
dat moment when rightfold is not in that list :P
 
check your privilege @Alex
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ☑ Privilege
done
 
5:06 PM
@EtiennedeMartel oh ok then
moves to Japan
 
Japan is quite conservative as well.
They just don't get flustered about the same things.
 
some of them don't like seeing foreigners on their island
but that applies to all countries
so there you go
 
user1804599
5:24 PM
> How many caffeinated beverages (coffee, Red Bull, Diet Coke, Surge, etc.) do you consume during a typical workday?
 
Xeo
0
 
3 coffees/day
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel We don't count in coffee machines around here.
 
We have free coffee here.
Like, unlimited free coffee.
 
5:26 PM
@рытфолд lol, <10
 
user1804599
> If we could add one thing to Stack Overflow just for you, what would it be?
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel They're very conservative about their acceptance.
 
user1804599
No flags on chat.
 
@рытфолд 'Exploding posters' card game.
 
user1804599
I drink three or four of them.
 
user1804599
5:27 PM
Sometimes two.
 
user1804599
@MartinJames Exploding Vlad
 
Aren't you a bit young to drink coffee?
 
@рытфолд color schemes
 
@рытфолд Meh - we already blew him up once:)
 
 
5:28 PM
Colleague asking me what commandline options to use with tcpdump. No information provided on what he wants to do.
 
tell him to use all the commandline options
 
user1804599
@Pris The rightfold's Complete Guide to Coffee: ∀coffee: disgusting(coffee)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Tell him "potato".
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel I never drink coffee. Fuck coffee.
 
@EtiennedeMartel putatively
 
5:29 PM
@Pris When I go for espresso-based drinks, I typically choose a latte.
 
user1804599
It's the most disgusting thing I ever drank after wine, beer and rotten chocolate milk.
 
@Pris it's unbounded for tcpdump. Well, with maximum command line length you could work out a theoretical limit, but then again you can just use a response file
 
Kids these days...
 
user1804599
Raised by parents these days…
 
No way. That never happened. Also, strange retort given the audience
 
5:31 PM
@рытфолд Only occasionally.
 
Yeah, I don't really know what to say.
Also, I'm hungry.
That kinda affects my ability to give a shit.
 
@рытфолд id be surprised if there wasn't a single coffee beverage out there you didn't like
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
@sehe Are they alchemists?
 
> calling a function from one class in another class
I'm absolutely miffed by the frequency with which questions matching this exact archetype pop up
 
user1804599
5:32 PM
If I disallow division by zero, would I even have to bother with signed zero?
 
Must be at least once a week on average.
Obviously these people have a backward way of learning. Literally.
I think stems from wizards crapping out Form1.vb for them
 
user1804599
No NaN and no -0f!
 
@sehe OO must be kinda restricting for them if they've never done it before:)
I assume they mean instance member functions, but who knows?
@Pris What are the fire extinguishers for?
 
sorry, the prev one was a thumbnail
i cant find any good non espresso images... how annoying
 
1 message moved to bin
 
5:39 PM
@sehe Someone answered that crap:( They must be really desperate for rep.
 
@Pris Kinda pointless anyway--the only thing there that anybody with any taste would drink is Mountain Dew.
 
but which flavour of moutain dew?
 
@рытфолд Negative zero doesn't (at least usually) have anything to do with division by 0. It's (normally) a result of a negative number underflowing to 0--but it still tells you that it approached zero from below, not above (which is sometimes important).
@Pris The original, of course.
 
I never thought I would see anything containing the phrase 'Mountain Dew' starred in the Lounge.
3
 
@EtiennedeMartel Now he's been raising a bug for 30 minutes and I'm waiting for the name and number for the fix's commit message. Sigh.
I swear this guy types with his little toe and nothing else
 
5:44 PM
@MartinJames Now you've seen it twice! Mountain Dew deserves as many stars as we can give it. I just wish I could still drink it like I used to (damned gout!)
 
@JerryCoffin Meh..
 
 
@Pris Ugh...
 
@TylerH: Your favour? Lol, well, congratulations, you have "won"! By consequence, you must be correct! It must have been "not much of" a joke! Hopefully this result goes some way to alleviate the damage to your patriotic sensibilities in the face of trivial and entirely harmless criticism of your country. Blimey. — Lightness Races in Orbit 52 secs ago
colleague finally submitted new bug. no detail on it whatsoever. we all spent like 25 minutes talking about it and literally none of what we came up with is on there
 
Xeo
@Pris 0!
@LightnessRacesinOrbit reporting bugs is hard
 
5:54 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The butthurt is strong in that one
 
user1804599
> EngineBuilder (std::unique_ptr< Module > M)
 

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