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12:00 AM
@ElimGarak wow. It was his son's birthday. That got me
 
> He keep mumbling "It's my son's birthday" after got shot. Nothing terrify a good dad more than leaving a traumatic memory to his child
That could've been the day all went to shit for that kid. I am happy he's going to be fine.
Right. Fuck that. Damn internets.
> I'm surprised the shooter missed this guy's MASSIVE BALLS
 
lel
 
hahaah
I forgot to go grocery shopping :|
 
Well, just catch & eat some animals then. :P
 
12:07 AM
According to Asia, dogs taste like chicken.
 
I have bacon.
 
user406009
I don't know how people can be so against eating dogs.
 
I guess I can survive until tomorrow
@Lalaland Dogs are supposed to be pets. Its a weird concept to eat that.
Just my 2cents
 
Well, yeah, to the western world. To some, they're little more than chicken. I've known people who had pigs as pets. And we had someone in the Lounge who has chickens as pets.
 
Ok, I gotta vent about my glasses. For some reason they are always dirty. Urgh
 
12:10 AM
Duly noted
 
I can't hear you over the perfection of my eyes. :/
 
user1804599
@sehe next livestream you should wear a clown nose and white facepaint.
 
@Borgleader Will read now, but sounds about right. :D
 
user406009
@elyse I know another livestreamer who does that. Panda themed though.
 
12:13 AM
> According to several former employees and industry veterans, the reason Star Citizen is so popular is because it's never been done. And, they continue, the reason it has never been done is because it can't be done - at least, not with $90 million.
LA Noire was a so-so, but very domain-specific game, it took $150 million to build. And resulted in a $30 million in the hole -> bankruptcy and multiple lawsuits over work conditions. Their first mistake was using CryEngine. For what they propose, a groundbreaking, from scratch engine is necessary. To just have the basis to sprout the notion of Star Citizen.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak it seems like you think a new engine is needed for every game :P
 
@Lalaland If you make a shooter and use cryengine, you'll be fine
 
> How many feminists does it take to change a light bulb?
Don't be silly, they can't change anything.
 
if youre making star citizen and use cryengine, not so much :P
I really wouldnt want to me in CR's shoes when the ship finally sinks.
 
user1804599
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ One man.
 
user406009
12:18 AM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ they did quite a good job getting the right to vote ...
 
They want planetary landings, they want ship invasions, station exploration, FPS incorporated, RPG incorporate... No way around but doing a custom work. If people actually designed engines for their games, as it used to be in the golden times, you'd have new stuff. Fallout 4 is basically Skyrim is basically Fallout 3 is basically Oblivion is basically Morrowind because of Gamebryo. When people point their finger at Bethesda games and are uncertain what's missing, that's it.
As Borgleader says, unless you're doing something the industry is used to and has a template for it (basically, the notion behind modern generic engines), you can use an existing one.
 
Keep on reading until you get to the work condition part
 
@elyse how about "No"
 
user1804599
@sehe how about ";_;"
 
The part about yelling and toxic environments... I thought he was referring to the internet, then it turned out it was the work environment itself.
> I couldn't take it. It was by far the most toxic environment I have ever worked in. No one had clear direction about how to do their jobs well. No one was empowered to do their jobs well. Everything was second guessed, and the default reaction to everything was blame and yelling and emails with all capital letters and curse words.
Sounds like sehe's workplace. :P
 
12:22 AM
> CS3 stated that it wasn't uncommon practice to round up four or five people to review an email intended for Roberts, to make sure there was nothing potentially upsetting in the wording.
^ this... like wtf
 
@Lalaland Well actually, no. They complained a lot, but in the end it was (and pretty much had to be) men who actually changed the law so women could vote.
 
> "She would write emails with so much profanity. She would call people stupid, retard, faggot. Accuse men of not having balls. And she was incredibly hostile to other female employees," CS4 stated. "Sandi is very jealous. She has to be the queen bee at the company. Whenever I was around her, I felt like I was in the presence of a cobra who, at that moment, might not have been inclined to strike but was completely willing to. You don't get on her bad side,"
Jesus Christ.
 
@elyse took me over 10s to work out what the smiley meant. Also, wtd. Are those Pippi braids?
 
user1804599
@sehe no, tears
 
user1804599
but lol :D
 
12:24 AM
@ElimGarak Nah not nearly that bad.
@elyse No. I mean the quotes
 
Just kidding, you big bear :P
 
user1804599
:[
 
And when I say "pretty much had to be", I'm not being sexist--just observing the fact that until after that change was made, women (largely by the very law they wanted to change) mostly weren't in a position to change it--they literally couldn't do it on their own.
 
user1804599
they're just
 
user1804599
quotes
 
user1804599
12:25 AM
as in their usual use
 
@ElimGarak I admit I thought of my workplace. And was thankful it wasn't the worst it could have been
@elyse Why would you... quote a smiley. And look closer. It's like them stupid braids.
 
user1804599
because of the same reason you quote words
 
^^ Random anime screenshot.
 
@StackedCrooked eh.............
 
user1804599
12:26 AM
I like how they never have slit eyes in animes.
 
user1804599
Yet are often Japanese.
 
Wwwwwacist
 
@Borgleader I see. You prefer girls?
 
@elyse But the guy one from the far right is really a cyclops in disguise.
 
user1804599
Making observations isn't racist.
 
12:28 AM
@StackedCrooked The subtitles seem unrelated to the image, which i assume is why you posted
and thus my reaction
 
@JerryCoffin lol
 
user1804599
@JerryCoffin lol
 
> Multiple sources from within the company stated that the Pacific Palisades mansion that Chris Roberts shares with Sandi Gardiner is being paid for with funds from the company, along with the couple's personal vehicles and personal vacations.
What a surprise.
 
@Borgleader Dunno why I posted. It's just a random thing I do sometimes.
However, the subtitles are real.
 
Random is standard.
 
12:29 AM
> CS7 indicated that Cloud Imperium Games Montreal entered into a joint venture partnership with Turbulent to continue to develop and sell the crowdfunding platform that was built for Star Citizen to other companies - and that backer money was being used for this project. HEAP C3MS is described as "the first platform to combine content, community, and commerce within one integrated platform," and was used for the design of the RSI website.
Standardized money swindling.
 
@ElimGarak ...and as long as they did the paperwork correctly, that's probably perfectly legal.
 
Classroom Crisis is turning out to be a pretty good anime.
 
@JerryCoffin Yup, although in the US. In Croatia, some aspects have been made illegal due to such misuse.
> They've spent $82 million dollars, and what is there to show for that? There's a demo, a racing demo, a single first person shooter level, and an area where you can walk around. For $82 million
For reference, Witcher 3's final budget was $81 million.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak What I want to know is whether they were assholes before they got the money or nice people.
 
@ElimGarak yep...
 
user406009
12:34 AM
They haven't spend all the money though?
 
user406009
Do they know how much is left?
 
Some 8 mil remaining, I think.
 
@Lalaland They have about 8 million left
supposedly
 
user406009
Lol. Fail.
 
Can't wait for it to crash and burn. :D
 
12:35 AM
 
All that is missing is the fireworks. :D
 
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Netflix has a new Bones season
holy shit
 
> He's letting go people (sic) necessary to complete the game, but then wants to hire a professional linguist to create three brand new alien languages.
I remember this, it was a stretch goal, I think. Delusional, though.
 
yeah
 
Started watching Narcos, looks pretty good.
 
12:38 AM
> "The thing I noticed when I started was that we were making commercials. We weren't making a game," CS2 said. "It was all about what was on the screen behind [Roberts] during the presentation."
Yes. Just movie sets with no substance. From the first one.
 
12:52 AM
Colorful drawing :)
 
Apparently, Star Citizen fans posted stuff to Glassdoor, direct quotes from the article after the fact in order to cast doubt upon the Star Citizen article. Which resulted in Forbes picking up the story. Drama intensifies.
 
@ElimGarak Glassdoor?
 
@Borgleader Place where people post reviews of employers and stuff.
 
i see
 
1:19 AM
@StackedCrooked from the 70s
 
So sehe did you quit before having a new job?
 
@ElimGarak Erm, no. The stuff on Glassdoor was posted before the article.
 
Just relaying the article info, hence the "apparently". While I think that Star Citizen is a fraud, this is no way to go about it.
 
And by "article", I mean the original article on The Escapist.
Forbes just regurgitated the Escapist report.
And The Escapist article was written by someone with ties to GamerGate who is also the friend of the person who doxed Chris Roberts and his family.
It's a fucking smear campaign, that's what it is, and I'm betting my left ball that that fucking hack Derek Smart is behind it.
@ElimGarak I got a friend who's working on StarCitizen. Last time I checked, which was a few months ago, things were going fairly well on most fronts except the FPS module.
 
What is the agenda of the smear campaign? Who gains and what?
 
1:34 AM
@ElimGarak You know Derek Smart? That guy hates Chris Roberts personally, and he's the kind of asshole with a huge ego who turns any difference of opinion into a personal vendetta.
 
He's sort of a has-been from the 2000s? But this is not the first time I've read on Star Citizen woes. Some of them were completely separate from that Smart character.
 
Oh, StarCitizen has issues, that's for sure.
Smart is on a crusade to blow those things out of proportion for personal vengeance.
 
Seems like a total douche, really. But if the part about them burning through their budget is true, I am uncertain of Star Citizen's future at best.
 
So, no. I'm not saying StarCitizen is perfect. In fact it's probably doing just as well as any (over)ambitious project, which is not that great.
But there is an ongoing effort to exaggerate those problems.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Is he imitating Loki from the Avengers movie on purpose? Does he miss the fact that Loki isn't the hero?
 
1:38 AM
That said, the reason people are doubting StarCitizen is because Cloud Imperium is transparent about it. It's a sausage factory, like any AAA project out there. The only difference is when shit goes bad with Assassin's Creed nobody knows about it.
 
So, there's financial transparency as well? The $82 million gone is true?
 
They're not talking about their finances.
I mean they're transparent about them missing their deadlines.
The majority of AAA projects out there do not go well. Good devs are those who manage to somehow drag themselves out of the inevitable pit of despair and ship something.
I'm not saying Cloud Imperium are good devs.
I'm just saying I'm not surprised about CI hitting the exact same problems any project with a similar scope would.
 
It's probably going to be a shallow shell if anything ever ships. But there is nothing really with the scope of Star Citizen out there. Games with a lot smaller scope took $265 million to build (GTA V). $81 million was the budget of Witcher 3, they've already spent $82... And they have $90-ish?
 
Also, 82 M$ is not that large of a budget. Your average Ubi Montreal project will typically get at least three times that much.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Witcher 3 cost 81M
 
1:42 AM
@Borgleader Games are cheap to make in Poland.
 
Invasion of Poland II inbound.
 
Employees are the most expensive part of a game. If you make your game in Eastern Europe, you don't have to pay them as much.
 
Ubi has the money to back their project, but Star Citizen officially has $90M. And I seriously doubt Roberts will dig into his pockets to keep it alive.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd guess a whole lot of the time and money goes into building foundational kinds of code (and storyboarding, etc.), so using 90% of the money and seeming to have a lot less than 90% of the game finished probably isn't nearly as bad as it initially sounds.
 
@JerryCoffin Most of the money goes to making art assets.
 
1:44 AM
@EtiennedeMartel Okay, I guess that makes sense.
 
And given the scope of Star Citizen, on its scale, currently they have nothing effectively. But I guess, something will get shipped. It has to. Otherwise, pitchforks and torches.
 
They'll find a way to ship something.
At this point their biggest mistake was letting the hype get that high.
Because there's no way they can reach those expectations.
 
No Man's Sky will probably also be a disappointment, given the expected scale of the player and the promises.
 
@ElimGarak Hmm...opinions on that seem to differ. Developers want things to be perfect--I can easily see a lot of them looking at artwork that's adequate (if less than what they really wanted) and considering it essentially nothing at all, simply because it's not what they want.
 
Either way, if their budget is up, the resolution to the story should be quick to follow. These stories are certainly not helping further pledges. Star Citizen's flop will basically be a sour flop of the entire crowdsourcing platform/idea. Overshadowing stuff like Wasteland 2 and stuff.
Speaking of flops, a desktop graphics API without geometry or hull/domain shaders. Seriously, Apple?
 
1:54 AM
@ElimGarak Metal has no geometry or tessellation shaders?
really?
 
Nope, Metal was basically developed as a replacement for OpenGL ES on iOS devices, the only place Apple cares about games, really. So, in the end, what happened is that they achieved parity with OS X to allow idiotic developers to easily port their mobile shit to desktop ( In some cases, it's as easy as adding a build target). Just goes to show how much they don't understand the game industry. They basically laud decades old stuff support and oversimplification as features.
I've decided to give it a shot anyways, a bit of a different development environment for me, here's how it looks on the OS X at a glance:
Modo 901 (modeling), Maya 2016 (staging area, animation, rigging), Zbrush 4R7 (additional organic/hard surface modeling), UVLayout up-to-date (unwrapping, weird versioning, also dependence on X11), Substance Designer (material generation), Substance Painter (painting materials) and Photoshop CC (additional texture work, monthly subscription, works anywhere). And of course, XCode and all that.
 
Why exactly are you listing all the applications in your taskbar? :P
 
Well, that's the gamedev environment on OS X. :D Quixel's not there, but I guess they're kinda dead or something.
 
@ElimGarak wow, ICQ still isn't dead?
 
@ElimGarak Theyre not dead, I saw an ad for them on polycount just this week
and lol ICQ :P
 
2:05 AM
@melak47 I only have my gf there, she wanted to use Whatsapp, I didn't want to. Then Facebook, no. Viber, no. :D I'm really not for social networking.
@Borgleader I am really interested in Megascans, but it's been coming for 2 years. :( Will help us from going around the woods with expensive cameras.
I forgot how Objective-C is disgusting. Its ARC is like a poor man's RAII.
 
shared_ptr all the things?
 
At compile time, it goes through the code and adds retain, release, autorelease invokes iff you use correct semantics imposed. I seriously have no idea how I am going to incorporate our C++ codebase with this shit and still look myself in the mirror.
Also, my global illumination approach requires the facilities of the geometry shader. Same goes for terrain generation and rendering. And a shitload of other things.
 
do you have to target metal?
 
Nah, but the only choice on OS X is either Metal or OpenGL 4.1. So the ultimatum is compute shaders (don't mention OpenCL, plx, too limited :D) or geometry shaders out the window.
 
@ElimGarak OpenCL is limited? Really? Whats things cant it do that say... compute shaders in opengl can?
 
2:19 AM
@Borgleader Limited when it comes to interacting with OpenGL. OpenCL on its own is great.
 
also, question about your analytical area lights - how do they work? Wouldn't you need a number shadow samples to approximate actual illumination?
or does it only work for convex objects :p
 
@melak47 Basically, they revolve around well-defined shapes, such as the rectangle, disk, even triangle. As long you have that information, one can approximate its shape by using the notion of a representative point on the light's surface which best approximates a full integral considering it. Point lights only deal with one point, whatever and wherever you're rasterizing stuff.
And of course, shadowing is still largely decoupled from the lighting, but blocking information is coarsely recorded to help generate soft shadows, also screenspace softshadows where applicable (sort of like ssr, but for shadows).
If you were to have a perfectly smooth reflector, such as no material at all, you'd see the imperfections in the glossy reflection of the area light, but you always have materials with varying degrees of obfuscating the fake aspects of it. :D
 
hmm. You gotta get some pics up on that blog of yours nudge nudge wink wink :D
 
Just a disclaimer, the soft shadows themselves are largely heuristic and don't really follow the shape fully for performance. Shadows absolutely destroy performance. I think that Unreal has spherical area lights (basically very trivial) and a line light, which they combine with the approach to spherical for tubular lights. But shadowing is fully decoupled from that info.
@melak47 Ah, convex simple shapes are recommended. You could feed the GPU information which defines any type of object, but the more info it needs to process, the slower everything is going to be. In theory, you could even pass the bunny model as a light source, but the result would basically be an expensive version of the spherical area light. :D
 
2:35 AM
@CatPlusPlus hey bb u wanna add me to the loungecpp github group?
 
@ʞɔᴉN Anything going on in there?
 
@ElimGarak They have that distance field shadowing somewhere, I think without that there's not much going on with soft shadows
 
@ElimGarak not sure, probably not though
mainly I want to sexify my github profile
 
2015. and most lights still don't cast shadows. But not just F4, GTA V and a lot of others. Light-shadow play is sorely underestimated.
Especially gameplay mechanics which factor in being in dynamic shadow our outside of it.
 
shadow_cast(light)
 
2:43 AM
@ElimGarak just test the pixels :v
 
What's even worse that new consoles and modern APIs have the ability to stream and dynamically reuse memory with the notion of tiled resources, for volumes or basic surfaces. So you can always have locally the maximum amount of shadow detail and all your shadow budget memory dedicated to something the user can see.
 
even with raytraced distance field shadows, tube lights are basically still spherical lights
 
Yeah, they mostly just use the extenuating tube for calculations with the specular BRDF, for fancy light play. Always ignoring shadowplay.
 
@ElimGarak What do you mean :w
OpenCL can access all the resources used by OpenGL
 
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Basically, in theory, it's a lovely party (and OGL4.1 + OCL1.2 was a life savior on OS X for the past half decade). But when it comes down to really using it, it's not quite like with 4.3+ or DX11+. The results are kinda off performance wise. Not drastically, but just enough to annoy and sadden.
So, I've been reading some of the Metal samples for shits and giggles, which I naturally had to fix instead of Apple before they'd even compile... Here's some gold.
 
2:52 AM
What are you doing with OpenCL that doesn't reach OpenGL performance levels
 
memcpy((__bridge void*)[_zOnlyProjectionBuffers[_currFrameIndex] contents], &shadowMatrix, sizeof(float4x4));
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Absolutely nothing different than usual, I don't even want to blame OpenCL in particular. For me, everything on the OS X is kinda slow. The mouse acceleration curves are not quite right, it's all upside down.
 
ohhhhhh
You're speaking of OS X
Apple's OpenCL implementation is notoriously bad
It's bugged and slow
On CPU it doesn't even use SIMD if you use a barrier
So yeah I'd say not a fair environment for comparison
 
Yup, basically, I am happy to drop using it here, even if it means losing geometry shaders. Compute is far more important, to me.
Apple brought on stage a guy who has a fucking turban on his head to talk about Metal. Such obvious diversity pitch.
 
3:03 AM
cultural enrichment
 
It's always some Indian who can barely speak English. That's not helpful. At all.
 
american politics are very entertaining
it's a sitcom really
 
It's very much a joke.
Problem is, these people are actually in charge.
 
LinkedIn and Medium are full of wannabe think tanks writing crap articles
Just shut up already
 
And they're actually making decisions that affect millions of people and then some, and the unfortunate part is they don't even come close to doing it for the right reasons.
... Also, I think there's a party going on here. There's a NEVERENDING stream of people talking and just... coming in and out.
 
3:08 AM
Also do people really enjoy reading non-justified text? It's like the ultimate horror for me
 
I always justify everything manually. I am not particularly clear on why it is not the norm.
 
@ElimGarak Some justifications (pun not intended) (shitty AF IMO)
> The very point of typography is to communicate words.
> To communicate words, you need letters.
How deep
(And wrong but nevermind)
 
> Justified text is harder to read
No.
> You just made a design rookie mistake! You should never justify type on the web. Here’s why.
Posing belief/opinion as fact, how very Catholic of him. Also, "design for hackers", lol.
 
You don't know anything about design you rookie! Condescending banter follows.
 
PageRank should look for the word "hacker" and reduce final score.
 
3:15 AM
but my GH profile says I am a elite javascript ninja hacker
 
I dislike justified columns stretching over pages, then being interrupted at page breaks and figures and stuff
like this
 
ow that's terrible layout
who the fuck does that
downvote and move on
 
"blergh.png" is right.
Whoever formatted that is just an asshole, plain and simple.
 
I think that's some of the defaulty LaTeX templates for papers.
 
Testing my DirectX implementation after I made sweeping changes to accomodate OpenGL. Turns out the changes weren't so sweeping after all... it all functions more or less the same.
My graphics stuff models OpenGL 3.3+ / D3D11.x a little too closely... going to vulkan is probably gonna be the sadfaces for me.
Or maybe not. I can't tell.
Which reminds me: TODO: DirectX 9.0c impl?
 
3:23 AM
9.0c is dead :P so is 10 :P
 
targetting XP? I think VS is gonna drop support for that sooner or later :p
 
Well. It's just that even now I have friends who can't play DirectX 11 games.
Highest they go is 10.
 
but you have opengl now :v
 
You need new friends :/
 
This... is true, OpenGL 3.3 probably suffices for those individuals.
@ElimGarak You and @R.MartinhoFernandes cover all of my hardcore multi-graphics-card needs. :D
Guess OpenGL is my DirectX 9.0c. :D
Hey @BartekBanachewicz I found the proper use for OpenGL :D ^
This is gonna be really tough...
I never thought I'd have to go head to head against a Professor
 
3:32 AM
bad idea btw
 
What is?
 
Go head to head against a professor
 
Yeah. That's why this is going to be tough. =/
If I fail, he's the kind of asshole that can invoke irrepairable (unrepairable? Is this like how irregardless isn't a word?) damage to my GPA.
The benefits for succeeding and not having to retake the course later and getting more credits and even further restoring my GPA.
 
ir·rep·a·ra·ble :D
 
3:35 AM
Retaking the course in IMHO pretty terrible. I already suffered through a year where I went "Backwards" and basically took all the CS classes I was too smart for. That year was literally brain-draining and I felt like I was gonna die (of boredom).
 
You don't get it do you
Never go against a professor even if he's wrong. Never. It's not worth it.
 
The benefits of it are worth considering, here.
Losing the course he marked me down for is one of the core requirements needed for graduation.
 
Oh well I don't know the context anyway
 
Sep 1 at 15:44, by ThePhD
The last part would be to finish the one class I could not finish because I was academically suspended: i.e., take the final exam of that class and receive my good grade in it (I had missed it for medical reasons and was given a grade of I: Incomplete).
Semi-context.
 
hahahaha grading people based on presence what kind of shit system is that
 
3:38 AM
It's a system, hence it is shit. :D
 
The weird part is, HE'S the one who granted me the incomplete.
 
Fuck him in the butt
 
HE told me to wait in this situation and then come back to take it later.
And when I come back to honor what he wrote to me...
"No, you deserve a UW."
And boom, there it is in my account.
I literally only had the final exam to take.
All the other work was done, with B's for grades.
It wasn't like I scooped out and missed ALL of the courses and then just shambled in and begged for a good grade.
There's 2 parts to this where he can stick me, however:
 
Ah, uni... Never seen one from the inside. :P
 
1) it's an art history class, predicated basically on what he teaches in lecture. You can imagine this gives him incredible grading wiggle room if I do manage to make him cough up a final exam
 
3:41 AM
wat, art history ahahah. I'd rather study kitchen sinks.
 
2) there's an "attendance" portion of the grade. You can imagine how he can swing that one around and hit me with it since I didn't keep a full record of how many classes I missed or did not miss.
I do have several e-mails informing him of when I would miss class, whether for being flown to the other side of the country for interviews or when my family crisis was happening. All of them he responded to and said it'd be alright, so I have that going for me, potentially.
Still makes me uneasy, though.
Re-taking the course is still pretty unacceptable. Each credit is thousands of dollars, literally thousands: to retake the course is to sink 4k+ down the toilet.
 
Possibly escalate that to the direction department (or whatever it is) in case you can't find settlement
 
Will do.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva But enough about depressing stuff! How's HK been?
It's been a while since I talked about your job. Are you still on a downward spiral with how you feel about working there?
 
HK itself is fine, my job is not very satisfying though
But I don't know what I want to doooooooo
There was a typhoon forecast for today so far nothing lol
 
4:00 AM
Run away with @ElimGarak and do crazy graphics things together.
@AnastasiyaAsadullayeva Does the pollution there occasionally turn like, rain & stuff into black rain or does it help with the smog?
 
Unlike our holy @Elim I don't have much graphics knowledge, mostly hardware knowledge
It's not very polluted frankly
Mainland is very polluted but HK itself is frankly fine! In the winter though (december-march) winds come from China and it can get p bad but never on the levels of say, Beijing
 
Will you be gone by then?
 
I don't think I'll leave before mid 2016
I've only been here since january D:
 
Ah.
 
Actually nevermind I can see the wind increasing significantly and waves getting taller already
So mebby we will indeed get that typhoon
 
4:05 AM
Go surfing in it. :D
 
anyone wanna play a gaem? :w
 
I'm actually gonna go get some fud.
 
Apple basically reduced everything that is usually modeled as an object, like graphics devices, command queues and lists to merely Obj-C protocols, contracts fulfilled by something on the dark side. Man, it's ugly. So many ids.
 
4:37 AM
Wow
I fucking inhaled that food
I must have been really hungry.
I need to get a new string format library.
My own hand-rolled one is kinda "eh".
Oh nevermind, it's not.
 
@ThePhD heeeey
 
Oh, hey jagged!
Enjoying the New York rain you exactly showed up right in time for?
 
I need to make stringview_stream for the std:: it seems.
Or... do I? Maybe. Hrm.
 
@ThePhD It's proper October weather, which is more than I can say for Missouri.
 
4:46 AM
@jaggedSpire Eww. Miss Soury.
 
I'm a bit biased, having spent four of the last five Octobers here, and then the seventeen previous in Colorado. :P
 
What makes you come out every year?
 
If I'd grown up in the south, I'd no doubt say this is miserable weather for October. :P
@ThePhD I'm a year out of College.
 
Everything but back-beating sunshine is miserable weather for southerners.
 
guess where I went for it.
 
4:48 AM
Uhh.
NYUC
Or... however its said
NYCU?
... What are the schools in New York...?
 
:P I went to the middle of NY
 
SUNY?
 
RIT and RPI too
 
So you went to... RIT?
 
ahahaaaa no
 
4:49 AM
There's too many schools in Albany. ;~;
 
RPI is in Troy. :P
 
WELL
 
and RIT is in Rochester, is just the one everyone thinks is RPI
 
I give up. Geography is not my strong point.
 
Troy is like fifteen minutes out of Albany
 
4:50 AM
ITT?
 
it counts as Albany for most purposes
 
USNY?
That's pretty much all the schools I know.
 
Hrm.
There's no methods to mark const on a stream.
Guys
How do you model a range after a stream?
It all seems... very hard to do.
 
@ThePhD There's a series of blog posts about ranges that cover both the problems with applying ranges to streams and infinite ranges.
I think I might still have a tab open
 
4:56 AM
Time to go look those up.
 
@ThePhD here
 
Wasteland 2 has 22,73 GB of data. lol.
 
he has two series, so I linked you to the range tag on his blog
 
I read those series, but maybe I skipped over the "file" bits...
 
now, I have been up for 21 hours, and spent twice the expected time in airports and airplanes because hurricanes ruin everything even when they aren't that bad
He mostly talks about how needing a difference type for a range makes a good implementation of a stream range nearly impossible
 
4:59 AM
MTLCreateSystemDefaultDevice() <- so much initialization choice.
 
and then immediately starts talking about infinite ranges
 

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