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12:00 AM
@ElimGarak More hilariously disturbing:
 
Ahahah, we actually have a local version of something like that (but with the cast singing)
 
@melak47 riker with no beard
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
 
Riker is baldish now (Jonathan Frakes)
 
@Borgleader deal with it
 
Ell
12:11 AM
I'd be interested in F(x) where x = % abv and F(x) is freezing temp
 
@garybernhardt But that's high level, follow those functions down and it's imperative
Oh god it's spreading
 
That's pretty epic
 
Why not lyric? (badpun)
 
Ell
talk to you fuckers later
 
"I don't know words, and I live in a script-kiddie world. SQL does my head in so it must be declarative"
@Ell o.O
@AnalPhabet dramatic then :)
 
12:18 AM
@Ell bai, bby
 
@Ell requiescat in pace
 
Is that Cinch?
4
 
@ElimGarak Who?
 
cat's tweet
bahahah
 
@ElimGarak lel
 
12:19 AM
@ElimGarak this is Cinch
Are committees declarative?
Because they "hereby declare" and whatnot
 
Depends on whether you're Cinch or not. :P Also, I need something to eat. I can't stomach any more pizza.
 
@sehe Well, he's an "application architect".
 
@ElimGarak Drink more самогон
 
Don't forget startup veteran. Also, principal software engineer.
 
@EtiennedeMartel translation: "I have a Microsoft certificate"
 
12:23 AM
@ElimGarak Startup veteran? Does that mean he launched a lot of startups? Because he looks young. I guess most of those startups failed fast.
 
Yeah, saying you're a startup veteran basically translates to failure at life. Primary school veteran.
 
> Before you embark on the multi-os testing journey[...]
 
@elyse I recommend against that
 
@ElimGarak haha, after 5 years he's making more of these! youtu.be/EnPIPOaRUFg
 
@melak47 wtf did i just watch
@jaggedSpire someone says hi
 
12:29 AM
what brand is that
 
looks like baby golden labrador to me
 
@Borgleader I dunno, but you should watch more :P youtu.be/ezsy3OSy1fU
 
Going from pseudo-FP in #JavaScript to a real functional language like @elmlang is like going from watching a cat gif to owning a real cat
What is this guy smoking?
 
Some dank ass-weed
 
12:38 AM
What about it?
 
Someone described this as systemd eating things
I can't wait to see what's next
 
@ElimGarak actually that sounds pretty spot-on (caveat: I don't know elmlang, assuming it's proper FP)
 
> the best of functional programming in your browser
 
@ElimGarak peheheeeehe
@ElimGarak more like "Being own by your cat" or "Your pussy is owned" then
 
12:42 AM
Guy's twitter feed is a gold mine. He seems the type that reads some hipster's blog and then spreads it around like an std.
 
 
@ElimGarak Is he Jaden>
 
So they have a new database dump. But <annoyed/> it's a MDF/LDB. I mean. Give us text
 
MDF.LDB?
 
For you: monolithic proprietary format
 
12:45 AM
Oh.
 
The old torrent let me get /just/ the Posts.xml for stackoverflow SE site
 
GET /shit_done
 
@CatPlusPlus IDGI. Most notable 20x "Looks good"
 
And also "Looks fine"
 
It's about a trend of replacing existing things with systemd things that are not necessarily any better
They have their own NTP, DNS, syslog
 
12:49 AM
oh. Aha. My first thought was: this "looks good" mantra worries me for security reasons
 
VM control
Also UEFI bootloader
journald is quite annoying
 
Somewhat interesting
 
the world would be a better place if people stopped gunning and instead worked for a living
 
I doubt the US is going to do anything about gun control. There are also these weird aspects of the right to form militias and shit. To fight the government and shit. Wat.
 
1:03 AM
@sehe Damn. SE chat is doing the "I throttle you for fun" thing again. Wanted to attribute source twitter.com/softwareverify/status/650452703089324032
 
1:16 AM
Nothing like trivial data structures being made fullblown classes only accessible through new.
 
user406009
Is that Objective C?
 
Yes, it smells. Consolas makes it more tolerable at 14.
 
user406009
I still don't know why Apple chose that bad language for most of their stuff.
 
Because they didn't see the spork picture which showed that being unique doesn't make you useful.
 
Ergh.
This one's tripping me up.
 
user406009
1:18 AM
@ElimGarak But that anti-competitive policy leads to sweet, sweet money.
 
If I have some vector3 x, I can show something is perpendicular to it by doing x dot y == 0
So if I want to find any y that's perpendicular to x, I basically need to satisfy the constraints of x dot y = 0
 
user406009
Use the cross product to find something that's perpendicular to it.
 
user406009
That's sorta the entire point of the cross product.
 
Right. But I'm supposed to find all the vectors that satisfy that constraint.
The cross product would only give me a single one, no?
 
user406009
Yeah, the cross product only gives you one.
 
1:23 AM
There is an infinite number of vectors perpendicular to x in R3 with that requirement. :P
 
you need to spawn some sort of equation
 
You lose two axes and the third is arbitrary, you don't need to generate more than one
 
Just 1 normalized vector of varying magnitudes, right?
 
It's underconstrained.
 
and find all the vectors as solutions to that
see this page I found physicsforums.com/threads/…
fug geometry anyway
@BartekBanachewicz what is like the average duration one takes to do something useful with haskell
 
1:24 AM
Well okay no two eh
@AlexM. Infinity
 
and beyond
 
asking because as I'm reading stuff it seems to keep focus on "haskell is just as good as other languages"
but I don't see it being so MUCH being a problem
I mean there's a lot in this haskell
 
yeah, wait till you purchase two haskells for the price of one
 
user406009
@AlexM. There's also a lot in C++.
 
so much and so much new
 
1:25 AM
Language is only one tool in the ecosystem you'll need
 
like suggest a guy to learn haskell and chances are he'll soon end up on a link with stuff on category theory
 
user406009
@ThePhD Is there a particular perpendicular vector you are looking for?
 
like I did
can normal people learn all this as "an alternative to C#"
is that a good reason, that's my dilemma
 
@AlexM. Maybe? You'll start hitting problems with tooling and third party code way before you can utilise supposed benefits of the language
 
Haskell is a result of a fun research direction, but just like fusion reactors of today, it is merely for testing ideas and hypotheses. Neither fusion reactors or Haskell are really useful today for production.
 
1:28 AM
CAT
 
I wouldn't use it in production
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Haskell is much more production ready than fusion reactors.
 
Writing good Haskell code is far from trivial
 
user406009
Haskell is usable. Right here. Right now.
 
but you know what is trivial?
adding me to the GH group
 
1:29 AM
Fusion reactors as well, just their output won't get you far.
 
user406009
It's debatable whether the cost of Haskell is worth it though.
 
And should I fucking guess what your account ID is
 
Yes.
 
user406009
@ElimGarak No. There are no possible designs for energy producing fusion reactors.
 
user406009
I think you have been watching a little too much science fiction :P
 
1:30 AM
I severely dislike the complexity laziness brings
 
@Lalaland You do realize they've been doing it for decades? To a point there is a bunch of experimental ones used for testing theories? :P
They're just not for production, nor will be for a long time. :P
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Yes, but none are net-energy producing.
 
user406009
What's the point of a system if it doesn't have any output?
 
Research, lala :P
 
Shoulda used some monads
 
1:31 AM
@Lalaland No, just... all of them.
 
user406009
I agree with Cat though. Laziness sucks.
 
This is a linear algebra class so I was expecting to model it as a system of linear equations...
 
Also, fusion reactors have about the same issue as Haskell. You need to put in a lot more energy than you get out of it.
 
But what I did instead was took hte cross product and reported vector y in its 3 components with the result being a function of y's inputs (as computed by the dot product).
 
If you like type-wanking then Haskell is ideal
 
user406009
1:32 AM
@CatPlusPlus Nah, Coq would be the better choice for wanking.
 
I prefer Brazzers.
 
Ironically I wouldn't be surprised if Coq has more active users :v
 
user406009
@ThePhD Oh, if you are doing this for math, I guess you might as well just solve x dot y = 0 the normal way.
 
user406009
Darn, I thought that was a quality pun. No one appreciates my comedic genius here.
 
user406009
Also, Haskell's records suck.
 
1:37 AM
@ThePhD What are you trying to do, exactly?
 
Everybody knows that records suck
Nobody ever pretends otherwise
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Sounds like a math hw problem.
 
user406009
So he needs an algebraic answer instead of a code one.
 
It's a math "hard problem" example in the book.
And I'm trying to put my brain to the task.
I decided to just skip it.
 
@ThePhD all vectors perpendicular to v lie on a plane to which v is perpendicular :)
 
1:39 AM
So... the cross product? v.v
 
As I already mentioned, what PhD is doing is underconstrained, the requirements he made have infinitely many solutions, there is an entire swath of them in R3, due to the density of real numbers. Also, an in-depth understanding of linear algebra is suggested. And knowing that the cross product results in a pseudovector.
And then jumping to Grassmann and Clifford algebra to avoid such issues in the first place. :P
 
I know there's infinitely many solutions.
But they give a specific vector, and ask what the form of those "infinitely many solutions" take.
 
@ElimGarak the solution is the set of all vectors x which lie on that plane. you can write that down
 
Up to this point, they don't even talk abut the cross product, so I assumed I had to get the answer from some complex form of system of linear equations.
 
@ThePhD did the link I give you not help
the guy was trying to solve the same problem
 
1:41 AM
@AlexM. I want to use my own brain power. D:<
 
by asking us?
 
we're all in his head
 
I'm in his room
BOO
 
what
 
Well, there's a difference between reading someone solving the thing
and then reasoning it out yourself
 
1:42 AM
@melak47 Yup, in the plane whose normal is vector y, however, that does require some further qualification as vectors do not record positional information.
 
Right?
 
Have you ever derived the cross and dot products? That should be a fun brain task for you.
 
yup erryday
 
Plus, I can ask you guys questions.
The cold, hard pages of my book and the emotionless websites can't assuage my concerns.
 
mmmm sausage
nvm you said sth else
 
1:47 AM
ThePhD is drunk today.
 
sausage
with grilled stuff
and lots of beer
dayum
now I'm hungry
 
sprinkling sausages with beer as they're being grilled
 
Why not wine in that case?
 
Because we're unrefined peasants <3
 
I drank a lot of wine yesterday
 
I need that in my life. Inside of me.
 
Its a cold October night, what C++ material should I read?
 
Turbo effective modern urban cool hip C++ :P
 
lol cplusplus
 
Borland Turbo Effective Modern Urban Cool Hip C++
 
1:52 AM
Collecting herbs with stuttering Herb.
 
user406009
@Mikhail None. Pick up The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.
 
I think I'll be delving into low-level world soon to experiment with low-latency high-throughput HTTP shit
rip
 
What if computers are limited to manipulating global state? Does that mean I can use globals in my programs?
 
Next Lounge project suggestion: multistage thermonuclear bomb. Then we can become a sovereign state.
 
The result will be neither multistage nor thermonuclear nor a bomb, but coding style will be perfect and it'll have all the nice types and monads
4
 
1:54 AM
Can't we just buy a sea platform somewhere off the coast of the West end of London?
 
Are we the Enclave from Fallout?
 
Are there still chavs in the UK? I haven't been there in like 8 years.
 
looks like concepts got into Python before C++
 
I never reached the oil rig
 
1:56 AM
Shocking
 
@AlexM. I barely survived the rats outside the Vault.
 
Fact PEP 483 can also be used as an HTTP error code
 
Put too much stuff into intelligence.
I killed the goat at the beginning of Wasteland 2. :/
 
I'll maybe replay that once they release the new version
but it's so story-driven and so difficult for me to ignore that I know what happens
 
2:01 AM
is that BASS
 
Worst games are those which have a strong dependency on a late-plot-twist which reveals a recurring character is actually a treacherous piece of shit.
Then you have to tolerate him on each playthrough. And don't really want to interact with him.
 
I'm playing the beginner's guide, all i will say about it is, it wasnt what i expected
 
Wasn't there some KungFu game where your mentor betrays you at the end?
 
That's a game I could never play. And that's why I can't replay Mass Effect anymore, as I know how shitty the ending is and set in stone.
 
2:03 AM
why are you posting random screenshots
 
lol, dafuq is that. Ah, sexy hiking.
 
Best game ever
 
A garbage game
 
I remember playing BASS a long time ago
it was scary towards the end or so I remember
I was 10 at most lol
 
same
 
2:06 AM
primordia is a bit similar unfortunately not as memorable scene-wise
the only scene I remember clearly is the one with the bot waiting for the bus
and I played this a year ago so yeah
 
My first game was Grand Theft Auto III, the same day I got my first computer (when I was 10, incidentally). Now I sometimes play it on the iPhone when I'm taking a shit. #progress
 
I played DOOM when I was 4
 
I played Commander Keen when I was a fetus
 
That game with the Yeti and the mountain
 
Where you kick the penguin?
 
2:07 AM
ok not really a fetus but I played CK a long time ago on a PC that I barely remember anything about
except that it ran Win 95 and I used floppies to put games on it
 
How old are ye
 
I also played CyberDogs on the same PC (it has a new SDL port now on github)
I'm 22 I think
I stopped counting as soon as people stopped sending me gifts :A
 
Does that include time spent in the womb?
 
I think that Commander Keen was born 1 year before me ('91).
 
I only played marooned on mars
yes it was released 1 year before you were
 
2:11 AM
I still wonder whether it would've been better had I had a computer since an early age or later on as I have. I think being jelly of all my friends who took PCs for granted made me look at it differently.
 
I had to fight for my PC anything lol
including going through a period of parents taking my peripherals away
idiots
 
As a kid, during school week days, they wouldn't let me use the computer. So I smuggled cables off the school black market.
 
lol
 
My parents recognised that I'm broken beyond any hope of repair fairly quickly
Speaking of broken things, what do you think about when you hear the term 'framework'
Vs toolkit/library
 
lol wtf is this /cc @ElimGarak
 
2:17 AM
.net framework
 
Apple's shit cocoa frameworks
 
I thought we all switched to Yellow Box?
 
@Borgleader Setting affinity is HARD WORK MAN
 
@fredoverflow vlad
 
2:21 AM
It's basically affinity changes and some really convoluted lingo to make it seem magical, Apple-like sales pitch. With the advent of DX12 and Vulkan, even Metal to some extent, the graphics rendering will no longer be CPU bound, but GPU bound... So inside a few months, that app is dead.
 
It's basically free money so what do they care
 
And by that you mean it will be useless for newer games
 
nobody mentioning the screenshots
ok
 
I'm a bit skeptical of its usefulness though
 
You can do most of that manually for free.
 
2:23 AM
The OS scheduler should be clever enough to figure out core layout for processes
 
but it can't predict the optimal utilization before hand
 
Plus constraining all other processes to a single core makes starvation worse not better
 
@fredoverflow Bjarne discusses modules
 
> Buy CPUCores :: Maximize Your FPS
 
Download more cores today!
FOR FREE!
 
2:25 AM
And it's maybe more optimal if the game actually uses all cores to full
 
@AlexM. 19,99€ actually
 
It's basically a money grab. 5 euros is a lot for that.
 
> Pros:
> * UI is Nice
>
> Cons:
> The Achievement is lazy; I dont really care about this but when you look at the achievements that 3Dmark etc have, they encourage you to play about with the software.
steam has achievements for non-game software?
 
Why would they special-case it
 
"Retard"
"Installed this software."
 
user406009
2:28 AM
Why is a game special?
 
btw guys, while were talking about this I have these for sale:
:P
 
@ElimGarak -5€ is a lot for that
 
ICEman: encounter 1000 ICEs in your travels
 
Esp with those magnified JPEG screenshots
 
user406009
@Borgleader Is the Willy Wonka DVD included? Cause that was actually a somewhat OK movie.
 
2:36 AM
would also make a good porn name
 
typedef __attribute__((__ext_vector_type__(3))) float vector_float3; Just having fun with Clang...
 
@ElimGarak yup that's neat :D
 
user406009
2:54 AM
@ElimGarak What's the point of that?
 
user406009
Vs just using a plain float[3]?
 
Everybody knows that you should be using float4 for performance
 
@Lalaland To avoid fat paragraphs here, here's some info. That particular example is from Apple's simd.h which they basically crafted, among other things, to ease the transition between shader and regular code. Lovely syntax sugar with 0 effort.
 
user406009
Ah, that actually is some good syntax.
 
Also, as Mikhail references, CPUs enjoy 16-byte alignment for SIMD, so you might as well use all of it.
lel
 
3:04 AM
is that real?
 
or is it just fantasy (yes, just did a screenie)
 
@ElimGarak What editor is that?
 
user406009
Probably XCode.
 
@Mysticial XCode
 
ah
 
3:05 AM
Playing with Metal, so no other choice really.
 
user406009
Elim has sold his soul to Apple.
 
I recall iOS GL would convert all fixed point to floating point just to make sure you weren't doing premature optimization.
 
@Mikhail wut
@Lalaland I use Visual Studio. That means I sold my soul to Microsoft.
 
Kinda fun. The luxuries of Clang.
 
Looks like MSVC lets you do the same thing. Must have been added in VS2015 since I don't recall seeing it before:
 
3:17 AM
It's been there since at least 2012
 
Actually, VS2013. Maybe even older to 2012. But it is hard to discover--- what cat said.
 
The SIMD mouse-over?
 
Yeah
 
oh
 
Even after all these years, I can't help but find that ...00001 hilarious.
 
3:20 AM
Fuck floats
 
When I debug SIMD, I use my own print functions. I don't think I could mouse-over dozens of SIMD values. My brain doesn't have enough register space to remember them.
 
You can pin those tooltips
But yeah if you have more than one then you'll probably just look at Locals or watches
 
Definitely more than one. I regularly spill the 16 registers. And there are actually few places that will also spill 32 on AVX512.
16 registers is hardly enough when you're trying to keep 10 independent FMAs in flight - each of which needs 3 registers.
 
cpx
@Borgleader What's it for?
 
4:13 AM
I've been stuck on this OpenCV problem for ~2 hours. Sad
 
 
1 hour later…
5:25 AM
Weee
Linear Algebraaaaa
For the last 4 hooours
... Or has it been 5 hours?
... 6...?
I forgot when I started.
20:00ish to 01:00 ish
That's... ... uh. 5 hours. ish!
 
6:03 AM
Hrm.
Well, then.
 
sup phd
 
Just doing more Linear Algebra than I care for.
Jumping between Matrix Multiplication to memorizing shear/rotation/reflection/scale transforms.
All of them are easy until Reflection, which requires me to memorize generalized ortho projection...
 
Best way to learn is to rederive everything. :D
 
@ElimGarak I hate re-deriving everything.
It's useful for when you forget, but memorizingit gives you direct access.
 
That's the fun of math. And it sticks with you, at least me. Viva la SSD. :D
 
6:16 AM
It's like L1 cache versus HDD access.
 
Man, I could use some food. :D
 
6:58 AM
 
7:28 AM
> I would do :
> git checkout -b fire;
> git add --all;
> git commit -m "fiiirrreeeee!!";
> git push origin fire;
> So I don't get trouble with my mates! :p
:D
 
7:39 AM
@Puppy ^
 
Question.
Reading / writing from a stream is always >> or <<, and it requires the value to already be initialized.
How do you support reading / writing from a stream without having to pre-create a T to write into?
Do I have to hack in my own functionality for optional<T>/expected<T, E> with << and >> ?
 
7:56 AM
@ThePhD No. You check for failbit with .good() or .fail(). If it was not possible to extract the value, it will have the failbit set. You have to clear it before you continue. So your code can be like if ((stream >> intVar).fail ()) or such.
 
Hello! Is there anyone willing to give me some advice in create an owner drawn menu-style toolbar for an MFC application?
 
@wilx What if intVar has type no_default_constructor_t intVar; ?
 
@ThePhD What? Well, the extraction operator needs an lvalue, some variable it can extract into. It is up to you how you provide it. But you have to have one.
 
Welp.
 

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