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10:00 AM
You can already guess half the steps.
 
Just mail these to everyone asking for address.
But I can't understand one thing.
If the user was just allowed to input their complete address lines
it'd be simpler for everyone.
 
I am still mad that my iCloud account was hacked. Maybe I am paranoid, but my phone isn't jail broken, I have never used a public PC or wifi for iCloud or on my phone, how do I know it would not happen again??
 
Why go through making those shitty fields for every expected address segment?
 
@Griwes Exactly. But that still doesn't quite do it.
 
10:02 AM
 
The best address input field I've seen had a list of characters you could use on the side, because their post service had limitations.
So you would know you couldn't write "Straße" and had to use a fallback.
 
Well then, change your post service or tell them to also stop being fucking morons.
 
@Griwes It's not uncommon, really.
Can't blame them for a significant chunk of post services sucking.
At least they treated it as "text that brings things to me" and gave me the instructions to put the right thing there.
19 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
German company sends me an e-mail and my address shows up with ü and ß removed.
 
Buy a simpler name :P
 
This was a delivery service that fucked up, not the sender.
Yes, there are German delivery services that cannot deal with perfectly normal German addresses. Gee, 99% of German addresses have "Straße" in it.
 
10:07 AM
Time to implement Robot(Robot&&) :P
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And most systems can’t deal with diacritics+uppercase in France :v
 
@Mysticial do you have a ballpark estimate of how much a syscall costs on linux? I'm timing send (non blocking) at around 1-2 micros, does that seem reasonable?
 
@GregorMcGregor my rate is 3.50€ per
 
getpid
 
I'm sure it wasn't the sender giving the wrong address because I have two e-mails about the same package from the courier and the first one has the right address.
I'm so pissed off. Out for a walk.
 
10:11 AM
@GregorMcGregor I have to receive the payment first though
 
unsubscribe
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, it's just as correct and unambiguous if you write "…strasse".
 
I don't see how that justifies mangling my address.
 
Oh, wait. Not correct.
@R.MartinhoFernandes I wasn't trying to.
 
10:17 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What was your mangled address, then?
 
Xeo
@Columbo strae
 
lol
 
Not just. There's a missing u-umlaut too, which makes it much harder to decipher.
It's like a Semitic language address.
Just the consonants.
 
Undefined reference to _ZN9R_d8_martinho_fernandesERSo
^ like that?
 
More like "Brstrae" (fictitious, not my own)
 
10:23 AM
Was it DHL?
 
GLS
28 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
The name on my DHL card is "Martinho Fernandes bei McDonald" because my address needed "bei McDonald" in addition to the street + number and their system couldn't handle anything that isn't a fucking street + number. So in order to send it to me they added it to my name instead. Fucking idiots.
 
> Der Paketdienst für zuverlässige Versandlösungen in ganz Europa.
 
DHL did this, though.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hahahahaha
YMMD
 
I should note it wasn't me doing that. It was them "fixing it" over the phone.
I wonder if there' a minimal pair where omitting an umlauted letter makes an address ambiguous. Likely.
 
10:29 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Very likely. But not in the same district.
 
@fredoverflow It gets better near the first quarter IIRC
 
> Kirk Kerekes spent several years using an address of the form "2 mi N then 3 mi W of Jennings, OK 74038" which regularly got successful deliveries. Mike Riley used to mail the Very Large Array radio telescope at "50 miles (80 km) West of Socorro, New Mexico, USA"
:D
> A 2002 World Press Review report gave this sample address: From where the Chinese restaurant used to be, two blocks down, half a block toward the lake, next door to the house where the yellow car is parked, Managua, Nicaragua.
 
I don't understand what your hype is for working links in the standard.
Doesn't your PDF draft link correctly?
 
I want to see some of these moronic companies accept that address.
 
Xeo
10:34 AM
I can't link to my PDF from anywhere on the internet.
 
@Jefffrey Can you link others directly to a section?
 
Oh I see
I thought you guys were referring to intra standard links
 
jesus people asking incomplete questions piss me off
 
what the fuck, I didn't even know C++ had final
 
how many jesus people are there
 
10:43 AM
Lots
 
@AlexM. many jesus peoples
 
It's a common Latin American name
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes pronounced chesoos (where ch is the soft G)
 
It's no G
Damn Dutch
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes it is?
 
10:45 AM
hesus?
 
@orlp Probably because it's not that useful.
 
@orlp only in Dutch.
 
@Morwenn TIL it also has override
 
@orlp I'm pretty sure it's a voiced retroflex affricate
 
@orlp That is one is easy to use to avoid errors thoughh :p
 
10:46 AM
IOW /ɖ͡ʐ/
 
Only in Polish
 
In the Dutch language the terminology hard and soft ⟨g⟩ (Dutch: harde en zachte G) refers to not only a phonological phenomenon of the pronunciation of the letters ⟨g⟩ and ⟨ch⟩ but also indicates a major isogloss within the language. In the northern part of the European Dutch language area, these letters represent velar ([ɣ] and [x], respectively) or uvular fricatives [χ], the so-called hard G. However, in most northern dialects the distinction is not made anymore, and both sounds are pronounced either as [x] or [χ]. In dialects that merge ⟨g⟩ and ⟨ch⟩ it's still possible, at least for some speakers...
 
/d͡ʒ/ in english eh
also good job chrome for rendering that ^ wrong
 
Yes, but neither is relevant for Latin American names
 
@JohanLarsson I'm generally not a rock person, but that song is sweet to my ears.
 
10:48 AM
@ThePhD how's your unicode rendering going
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's what I think I'll do... opposed to a truly distinct class. But for cubemap, you need to be able to pass some information that for the 'normal' nD textures is just the 'dimension' template parameter. So for cube map, I need to disable the overload that doesn't take this param, and enable the one that does... or just not use template wankery
 
@thecoshman it's really easy to do so.
IOW it's not wankery; it's basic SFINAE
 
oh sure, it's simple enough to do, but I'm not sure if it makes the code cleaner.
I can always write it up and see how it looks I guess :P
 
@thecoshman it's C++, it's not about clean code
if you want clean code, you write in another language
 
oh don't give me that ¬_¬
 
10:52 AM
vOv good luck
 
@Xeo thinking of printing xkcd 1590 as a poster and hanging it on my wall
I love it
Almost as much as the Dunking Prince
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes linkz
 
@GregorMcGregor I made what you want, will you change your decision? Christ the Lord please, have mercy! — Orient 51 secs ago
jesus
TRIGGERED
 
The Dunking Prince is for a tatoo.
 
@thecoshman The link
 
Xeo
10:57 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes heh
 
@GregorMcGregor Your attitude to me. — Orient 10 secs ago
WTF
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd probably still use rewrite and just alias /v/
Does your thing produce an error?
 
@CatPlusPlus Terrible board
 
They're all terrible
 
11:00 AM
first time I get wrongfully accused of downvote lol
what the hell
 
This is a reminder that you're defying reality
You should just set it straight and downvote
 
@GregorMcGregor You can get away with it if you actually downvote.
 
I should downvote stuff and then say that I didn't do it.
 
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@Morwenn You'd go to hell.
 
@elyse I'm already to Hell.
 
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11:11 AM
I should downvote things and then say that you did it and that I can see it because I have 10k rep.
 
there is an n.m & then there is a M.M commenting in the question you were accused of downvoting ...
 
@elyse Then people could look at my profile and see that I don't have votes today :D
 
OutgoingMessage.prototype.end = function(data, encoding, callback) {
  if (typeof data === 'function') {
    callback = data;
    data = null;
  } else if (typeof encoding === 'function') {
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laffo node.js
DNAMYIC TPYING!!
 
lol
 
it scales
and it's hackable
move fast and runtime errors
 
11:19 AM
> scales
 
@GregorMcGregor this
 
norage pls
 
why are there three equal signs
lol
 
11:26 AM
>not knowing JS 101
 
correct
two equal signs didnt seem enough?
lets put 4, why not 4 equal signs
 
it checks for type equality and value equality
so === doesn't do type conversion while == does.
they do different things
 
@ScarletAmaranth because JS' type system is broken
 
well that doesn't seem like a good idea
 
11:28 AM
>JS
>types
>ethiopia
>food
 
Guys after years of watching anime
I think I found a waifu
 
the horror
 
Xeo
lol
 
ikr
 
Xeo
well then, confession time, go!
 
Xeo
not watching that, so eh
 
It's probably the first time I've seen an anime where the girl MC wasn't actually in the age range of high school student.
In recent memory anyway.
 
what's wrong with high school students
or primary school students
 
It gets boring.
@Xeo I like it.
 
Xeo
Have you watched Mardock Scramble?
 
11:33 AM
At the moment anyway.
 
I know I've asked before but I can't find it in the transcript - what's the best C++ compiler for linux to get all the new stuff... can I just grab the latest version of g++ ?
 
g++ or clang is fine
 
@Rapptz this is nerdy beyond reason
 
your face is the best compiler
 
Xeo
clang and g++ are not much different nowadays, I think.
 
11:34 AM
@BartekBanachewicz k
 
@Puppy my face tends to break things (especially mirrors when looked upon) - I don't require a decompiler :)
 
excellent
I'm glad to have solved this problem for you
 
does clang have concepts yet
 
off you go
 
is there a boost thing I can inherit from or some such that will do constructor() = default, constructor(constructor const&) = default ... etc, all the way up to something like semi-regular or at least default constructible / copyable...?
 
11:35 AM
I don't know how I could have done it without you @Puppy :p
 
@JonClements yes you can
 
me neither
 
@ScarletAmaranth no
 
:(
I have to write things myself - shees
thanks, @Rapptz
 
@Rapptz I'll keep that for when I get home
nyaruko best waifu tho
 
11:38 AM
@ScarletAmaranth I don’t think it can work.
 
@LucDanton well very very very often do I find myself explicitly defaulting things because they're implicitly deleted even though I just want the sodding default
 
Xeo
If they're implicitly deleted... then they're still deleted if you default them.
No?
 
what? no, that's not right, because I can use them then
 
@Xeo Btw, it's actually surprisingly really high quality.
 
If the rules prevent automatic generation it’s normally because there’s a base or member that doesn’t support an operation. Adding a base won’t help.
 
11:40 AM
Like I don't know where they got all this budget from.
 
Big pharma
 
And e.g. delegating constructors won’t help with copy/move or the destructor.
 
@Rapptz what anime is that?
 
@Rapptz 5 minutes in photoshop
 
11:41 AM
@LucDanton well should it come to worst, I can literally just staple the stuff out with a macro
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Hm, same studio that did Aldnoah.Zero
 
@ScarletAmaranth An editor macro, preferably.
> a bone-loving ojou-san
 
hahaha
 
thisiswhatweeaboosactuallybelieve.disclaimer
 
11:43 AM
she really loves bones
what can I say
 
@LucDanton well I am not sure really - my classes would end up looking like this: class f { f() = default; f(f const&) = default; f(f&&) = default;...
 
it's like 5 lines
 
yeah it's exactly 5 lines for assignments and constructor (both r and l value)
 
that are immediately obvious
 
@ScarletAmaranth Unless you are in the habit of user-declaring destructors, there’s reasonably no reason to simultaneously user-declare copy and move ops.
iow fix your stuff
 
11:46 AM
@LucDanton I am not sure I understand - what's the harm in requesting the default implementation for a move-ctor?
 
None, but apparently it annoys you. I’m saving you from yourself.
 
it annoys me having to type it over and over again - I don't like typing :-\
 
My point is that unless something shady is going on, you don’t have to type it at all.
 
Is everybody joining here via browser or is there an underlying protocol that would make joining feasible with other programs? I think i want to set something permanent up that i cant accidentally close.
 
And if you are doing something shady, I would suggest you start there.
 
11:48 AM
@Johannes You can configure your IRC to connect to this lounge there is a guide on meta
 
@GregorMcGregor thx i will look into this rigth away.
 
gaaaah ^C shutdowns Idris everytime
 
is it that shady?
@LucDanton oh ye :P
 
11:50 AM
that doesn't require you to declare copy nor move ctors
 
@ScarletAmaranth Well done, it now works.
 
@LucDanton but I had to type it in :P
 
Read again and notice I said nothing of the default constructor from the start.
 
oh, I am an idiot - I now see :P
@LucDanton what are you doing in Idris?
 
@ScarletAmaranth Reading along TDDWI
 
11:53 AM
@LucDanton mmm, maybe I should shorten my amazon wishlist and buy something off of it
 
user1804599
Yummy, jodenkoek.
 
hmmm, the irc answer is: its kinda possible but will be shitty. maybe i just stick to the browser for now and use the superpower of discipline to not close the browser.
 
@ScarletAmaranth I transposed some Vects \o/
 
@LucDanton yeah somehow in Idris doing pretty much anything feels like a victory :P
 
@LucDanton 1960 here we go
 
11:58 AM
@ScarletAmaranth I am enjoying the nice hole support though.
 
@LucDanton yeah I sometimes used to play with Haskell and "emulating" it with the help of compiler errors
 
I was almost tempted to drop down to GHCi to remember how list transpose worked but I felt this would be missing the point.
 
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LOL I wrote JSON.arse instead of JSON.parse. XD
 
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reported a FB post for hate speech lol
 
How to patch flash 0-day: 1) Uninstall flash 2) You don't need flash 3) Stop installing flash
 
12:07 PM
@LucDanton have you seen the infinite loop 2015 video with Wadler wearing a "lambda"-man costume with red cape?
 
doesn’t ring a bell
 
@JonClements often the distribution default compile (build-essential) is preferrable because of binary compatibilities (e.g. do not try to link to Boost binaries with GCC on colir.stacked-crooked.com; Undefined behaviour galore :()
 
@ScarletAmaranth Saw that. Pretty interesting talk.
 
user1804599
Wadler is a superhero.
 
12:10 PM
@wilx it's pretty old stuff, but yeah - and it's FRIGGEN WADLER
 
@sehe cheers for the heads up
 
exactly as @elyse says
 
@ScarletAmaranth Well, I have no idea who he is. :)
 
@elyse read it like 15 times :)
 
12:10 PM
But he has nice humor.
 
@wilx look at the paper elyse posted, I think it was the first of "this" kind
using parametricity to basically generate plausible implementations
with better type systems (pure calculi, or even the ones on lambda cube with dependent types), you can generate a lot of stuff "for free"
 
damn I need 12 more upvtoes
 
@ScarletAmaranth I’ve heard of that suit before actually
 
@ScarletAmaranth I think the modern articles are a bit easier to read
 
first time seeing it in action though
 
12:12 PM
@BartekBanachewicz "the modern articles"? could you link?
@LucDanton of all people, Wadler doing this...
 
@ScarletAmaranth boy is he loud
 
@ScarletAmaranth also I thought there would be a looping video of some sort
 
hh; people watching this video ain't got no time to make looping gifs :P (or sparkling Bjarnes)
 
Wow - now i see why i did not get it... some targets have a for loop that look if in parent directories makefiles exist and execute them first.
so the culprit is in one of the parents...
 
Sounds like a well built build system
 
12:25 PM
hidden enough for me. so after i inspected three make files i now narrowd it doen to 27 makefiles - things are going well for me.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I take no responsibility for this infatuation of yours
@Johannes It's a hereditary condition
I have to wonder. Why are you wanking in your backyard, @Johannes
 
May the first one who does not cast the first stone.
 
@sehe i tell you when i find out why i am doing this.
 
:D
#SOrrytohelp
 
@ScarletAmaranth like this I guess
> The web really is a great place to be a dev.
ahahahahah
 
12:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ah, right - so Bartosz and company; I've been going trough academic research on this recently, there isn't all that much around
 
@ScarletAmaranth BTW did you read that question of mine in the end?
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh, forgot, gonna take a look now
 
Xeo
> right click link > open in new tab * looks at address bar * > javascript:void(0) ಠ_ಠ
all the damn time :<
 
@BartekBanachewicz well sure, so many resources
 
Garak was one of the more interesting characters.
 
12:44 PM
So I have to send a photo of meter to electric company to prove that I am stupid enough to enter the numbers wrong when doing a reading :\
 
@thecoshman they believe in you.
 
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I dreamed with @sehe last night
 
I can refute that claim
 
@Andrey last night I dreamed that my big toe on my right foot was basically a hollow cave of smiley pale green rot under the nail :\
 
user3790646
@sehe posted an answer on SO pretty big, almost like a book, explaining every basic fundamental part of C++
 
user3790646
12:47 PM
That's what I dreamed about. Lol
 
Got to work late... subway was down for nearly 45 min T_T (thats on top of the usual 2h it takes me to get there)
 
Pandora hovers over Titan.
 
@Borgleader beast commute
 
And that's what you get when you don't think about HDR. But still cool.
 
@BartekBanachewicz it seems your assumption is right - what confuses me is the comment on the answer stating "If CC isn't locally small, then requiring your profunctors to be locally small is the wrong definition of "profunctor" for the application you have in mind." - I probably just don't understand, but aren't they both locally small by definition? - I haven't encountered any extension to "larger" categories
 
12:53 PM
@ScarletAmaranth I had a similar "WTF".
 
nice
 
@ElimGarak funny
 
@ElimGarak yep, last time there was this exploit by killing cows IIRC
and in a patch they made this monster show up when trying to exploit
 
Yeah, this is a direct reference to it in the expansion, also to buying sea shells at a low price and reselling at a premium.
 
12:57 PM
> The full patch notes are right here. What caught my eye, though, was this:
Deploys the Bovine Defense Force Initiative
lol BDFI
 
I think there's going to be two expansions, I'll probably wait out until the second to have like a "The Witcher 3.5" to play. Only 26 days until Fallout 4 and lots of work to do in the meantime, so shouldn't be hard.
 
you think?
 
Uhm, I saw a reference to it on the main menu screenshot. I like to add "I believe" or "I think" to be polite.
 
there have been two expansions announced since before the release of the game
 

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