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9:00 PM
@AlexM. Most RPGs simply don't explicitly model that concept.
 
@AlexM. ahh that
 
in FF8 you can Zombie an enemy with your first character and then heal him with your second.
in Baldur's Gate you can Entangle with your first and then shoot him with an arrow with your second.
 
I think you should separate concept of "elemental effect" from "unit initiative"
 
for most games they don't explicitly model that model because it's just basic player intelligence.
 
As for high school - the argument is very different. You don't want dumb voters in a democracy and while mandatory schooling doesn't solve that it helps that people are all literate and have some understanding of some topics. You generally want an educated public and something being mandatory is a good way to promote equality. It's not a solution but it helps.
 
9:01 PM
@Puppy yup
in my case though I'm splitting the turn in two parts
 
To be fair, I attended maybe 10% of high school classes and programmed most of the time instead. I get the idea though.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I definitely don't agree. For one, my experience of university was that you got marks for knowing the Unicode codepoint of e with accent. So I find it hard to argue that having a degree means you know shit about the curriculum.
 
planning where you set up the queue of actions (multiple actions per character), and then the phase where they are executed sequentially
 
and secondly, if it's not correlated to work, it's useless.
 
@Puppy that just means you went to a very bad university, I guess. My experience has been nothing like that.
 
9:02 PM
@AlexM. Frozen Synapse.
 
@AlexM. I hope you do not forget how important concept of "initiative" (unit speed) is in turn based games (eg, HoMM series)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum How do you not attend 100% of your classes?
 
@Nooble you don't show up, simple as that.
 
@PTwr there won't be initiative per party character for this to work
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Right, but if you are hiring and X person has a degree, you can't know it wasn't a bad university. I've seen people asking for help with their Stanford homework that was even worse.
 
9:02 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum where do you live? In my country you automatically fail with 10% frequency ;p
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum That's not going to work for me :P
 
the party has initiative as a whole
 
@AlexM. eww
 
also ffs you keep on bringing up HoMM
at least bring up M&M or Wizardry
 
In single player that might pass, but in multi it would be horrible ;p
 
9:03 PM
since I'm using them as inspiration
 
I can't compare to games I have not played much ;p
 
@Puppy why? People don't know in advance what they want to code. (Good) Universities will open up fields (those DSLs) in front of you and you can choose what you'd like to do. You get perspective. It's not the quickest path but it's useful to many people.
 
Wizardry is probably the closest to what I'm doing
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You can't really choose what you'd like to do. I'd like to work on compilers or dev tools, but there's no jobs in that field in this area.
 
@PTwr multiplayer doesn't work very well for single player RPGs
 
9:04 PM
@Puppy often you can. At least for ivy league places. Again, when I interview IDGAF if the person in front of me has a degree.
 
@AlexM. eww single player ;p
 
you're impossible
 
Have you thought about coop?
even FFIV on SNES had coop
 
@Puppy I feel you :) Not a single compiler course in the university, had to read 3 books and take 2 online courses for that very reason. Universities definitely aren't all good - they're just good compared to many alternatives. Also a lot of people aren't very passionate about coding and need a boost from a university.
 
I tried to come up with a way to make a first person party based RPG work with coop
but I had no way to do it
 
9:06 PM
@PTwr Israel, had lots of fights with them about it - ended up passing just fine.
 
how do you decide which player moves the party around?
 
@Nooble poo.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum IME the people who weren't passionate simply copied from the people who were and made it with 40%.
they certainly didn't gain anything from the process.
 
@AlexM. simple, first one does, coop was only during battle (you assigned characters to controllers)
 
here
this is what I'm doing
 
9:07 PM
@Puppy Well, I guess we have different experiences. Yours is kind of depressing me, I would have quit that college after a week probably :D
 
with the grid based movement found in the older games
... and the newer M&M X
 
Anyway, thanks for the discussion - I have to get to some meeting. TTYL
 
@PTwr so the 2nd player just takes a tea break while 1st keeps playing
nah, I don't wanna start disputes between players
 
@AlexM. in FF battles were rather dynamic, so not really a break
 
I've gotta admit that ever since I started working, then Wide's taken a bit of a back seat in my life and I don't really like it.
 
9:09 PM
I'm not even sure where to take it from here
 
I am watching battle scene in that video, now at least I know I lost nothing by not playing that series ;p
 
it would be best if you dropped it altogether tbh
you're clearly thinking of the wrong games here
 
seems so
You want to focus more on a story than battles itself?
 
there's not much story to fit in a single level
you raised a valid point with the initiative
maybe it will be too easy to let all characters queue up actions however they want
but I don't want to make enemies attack between character actions
 
Without initiative battle will be won by player making attack first (eg. nuking down half of enemy team to death)
 
9:13 PM
that just implies that the players can do too much damage in one turn
 
You could have two-phase system, first you give orders, then they are executed
but order of execution will depend on initiative
 
there is the party initiative
I want to see if there's no need for in-party initiative
so that things like
water splash + lightning can't happen because lightning caster has less in-party initiative than water guy
w/e
I'll add it later if necessary
 
That would bring need to make initiative part of strategy, fast character can just wait and move later - initiative would only tell his maximum speed
(pretty much like in HoMM battles ;p)
 
action points could work with in-party initiative adding more action points
if lower initiative you conserve action points by skipping a turn
so then you can do a nice combo
 
aye
 
user1804599
9:16 PM
GUIs
 
in several games there was concept of getting winded, if you have used all points you would get less on next turn.
sometimes with lowered initiative as well
 
in L4D2 if you expend all your shotgun shells you pay an extra reloading penalty
 
user1804599
Is shemales are naturall or created.? i am shocked when i saw a girl has penis along with her ppusssy..
 
Quoting Yahoo Answers is such a low hanging fruit.
It's literally trolls trolling trolls.
 
9:19 PM
I'll do some basic combat system
 
@Puppy is there a real-life reason for that?
 
then throw it around at people
and see what they do with the analytics sdk thing
 
throw basic_combat_system();
 
if I plan too much I end up taking more than I can do anyway
 
@PTwr Yes- "It's a game"
 
9:20 PM
ewww
 
I swear to god if you say ew one more time I'll fucking plonk you
this is the millionth time
 
I am not sure where, but in some FPS I could interrupt shotgun reload (shell by shell type) and shot, then it would resume reloading
@AlexM. plonking? ewww
 
fine by me
 
I have also just plonked that guy
 
So I'm starting to rethink whether or not I should get a desktop replacement.
Because a $2000 desktop can get me a lot more.
The value in portability is still there though.
 
9:26 PM
desktop upgrade + cheaper laptop
trust me, you don't need the $1800 or w/e laptop
 
Hmm you're right.
 
oh no somebody said "ew" i cant handle it must hide all their messages to prevent further emotional damage cos i am precious littel snowflek
 
Now to find a cheap laptop.
 
@рытфолд I am missing the view of the face of the driver from the first Carmageddon game. :)
 
GCC Bugzilla is arse slow tonight -.-
 
9:27 PM
@Nooble cough those equipped with GTX 860m's come cheap :)
and 860 can do 60+fps gaming at medium to high details on 720p with today's titles
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit so thats what plonking means?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit eww ;p
 
@PTwr So basically blocking you. You can still see their messages though. Think of it as a one way mirror.
 
@Nooble perfect for stalking!
 
9:33 PM
@AlexM. I'd reckon that with $2k I could get a dual 970 system :P
 
I'm not sure when I'll do SLI
 
Oh the framerate I could get with that.
 
@Nooble I was thinking about new PC recently, but then I noticed I do not like new games so now I am thinking about a ferret
 
it just seems so much more efficient to buy something like the X60 or X70
and when it's time to upgrade
you sell your card and buy the new one
 
9:36 PM
@AlexM. It's for mods.
 
for what?
 
yeah because by then your laptop won't be obsolete :v
 
@AlexM. Skyrim mods.
 
@melak47 these are desktop parts tho
 
Better grass.
And also 1440p
 
9:37 PM
ok let me rewrite that, I can think of a good reason to go SLI
playing Battlefield 4 on 4 monitors
 
That might be a little too much for 2 cards.
SLI is for people who want their game to be as beautiful as possible.
Expensive, yes.
 
enb series is supposed to have fullscreenborderless, but the windows isn't centered so i see my desktop behind it, this is bullshit
 
now if only buying 4 monitors like the one I have now didn't cost more than 2 x GTX 970
 
@Borgleader scrub :p
 
@Nooble not necessarily
 
9:39 PM
also I don't think i managed to make this to work
 
a single 770 is capable of doing 3 monitors by itself
without any issues
 
@Borgleader I'll give you that, getting some ENBs to work can be a royal pain
 
At what settings?
 
@Nooble I think he means the the desktop. :D
 
note: when I said SLI
 
9:41 PM
 
I meant SLI of GTX 760
which is what I have
 
"fullscreen borderless"
 
tsk
you're not really playing skyrim until you've chained 5 different launchers and injectors
 
And until you had to make java binaries use all 4GiB to make all the patchers not crash due to lack of available memory.
 
have you tried story mods?
that's what I usually add first
mods adding quests
I rarely mod graphics
they make the game feel... less how the developers wanted it to
 
9:43 PM
@AlexM. Not even grass!?
 
it feels weird
 
Grass, man.
 
@AlexM. cruddy and blue-ish gray? :p
 
I like how Skyrim vanilla looks
 
o.O
 
9:44 PM
I didn't even graphics mod Morrowind
shrug
 
@Borgleader I'd like to help you, but steam decided that skyrim isn't installed anymore and is now downloading it...
so I can't even figure out if I have it in a working state :D
lol. okay. now it finished "downloading" 6.8 GB
 
@Griwes lol 32-bit
 
@CatPlusPlus dem patchers have some problems with 64-bit java versions
don't ask me
we all know these modders are terrible at this programming thing
 
skyrim isn't a java application o.O
wth are you doing :p
 
> patchers
There are these mods that use those almost smart patchers.
Like for example this.
 
9:49 PM
@melak47 the elder scrolls games are beautiful just the way they are <3
see here:
why change that? it's beautiful
 
And the Kitty Award for most stalky post goes to...
 
@melak47 wuuuuuut
 
appears it found the still existing directory and didn't destroy my mod setup
 
@AlexM. Wow, that looks crappy.
 
it has a special kind of inner beauty
 
9:52 PM
huh
 
on a more serious note
Morrowind managed to be uglier than its contemporaries
 
in all our previous encounters I've never observed you to be anything but tremendously shallow when it comes to games
 
one example would be Gothic
@Puppy :(
 
Oh. Damn Multiroom spammer too
 
Validated some flags \o/
 
9:54 PM
@Borgleader the borderless settings from ENB work for me
 
user1804599
@AlexM. nice
 
@melak47 Not for me =/ It used to do something similar with OneTweak, it would start off not centered like in the screenshot i put up earlier but during loading it would move into the right position.
 
[WINDOW]
ForceBorderless=true
ForceBorderlessFullscreen=true
that's what I used
but it also depends on the enb version. I remember using something else before this worked.
 
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 2 hours 26 minutes.
Still being flagged
 
I haven't watched anime in half a year
 
9:58 PM
He must have been really quick (like, he's a script kiddie)
 
user1804599
That's what you get for having a Java avatar.
 
maybe more
I should watch something
 
Strangely looks like he might be still posting since banned?
 
@melak47 I tried both false/true, true true
 
I'm on version 0.252, apparently
 
9:59 PM
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 4 hours 24 minutes.
 
and loading a game crashes it, but otherwise everything is working borderlessly :D
 
you know what though, i used a program from the steam forums and even though its off now the fix it did seems to be permanent
 
"WindowedBorderlessGaming.exe" ?
 
> This user has been automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content and cannot chat for 4 hours 22 minutes.
 
now gonna wait for day time to see if the enb works or not
 
10:02 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You're so slow
 
@Borgleader big reveal it was already daytime! :D
 
I'm tempted to get an OS X VM and try Swift out
 
@sehe I'm glad it's over. I seen more flags in 2 min than i have since i got 10k 5 days ago
 
Yeah. This was a bit much. However, it was easy. It's a lot worse when you have 20 different flags and they're from conflicting parties :)
 
10:03 PM
@melak47 haha i thought of that but i opened the console (shift+enter) and i unchecked "Use Effect" or wtv and its still night time
 
@AlexM. OSX isn't that bad is it?
Is it really that locked down?
 
I'm curious if I'll ever get to use it at work
Swift I mean
 
Or is it just a marked up version of Unix?
 
iOS tech is quickly adopted because of Apple's requirements and stuff
it's not similar to switching to, say, a C++ 11 compiler
that's actually a nice thing about Apple now that I think of it
constantly forcing devs to use their latest tech (well, less extreme than this but you get the point)
@Nooble based on the time I used it
it looks like another OS
I haven't found something that I wanted to do and couldn't
 
In Skyrim is there something similar to Witcher's meditation? (allowing you to go to any time of the day)
 
10:10 PM
waiting
there's the wait function
which lets you set a duration for waiting
I forgot the hotkey
try T
you'll have to do the maths yourself :P
 
@Borgleader it's called "waiting"
 
(i.e. counting the hours needed to wait until a specific time of day)
 
Nice
 
it's been a while since I played it
but in Daggerfall, waiting (loitering) inside a town at night was considered vagrancy
and guards came for you
I hope I don't remember this wrong
 
@PTwr I have no clue what that was in reference to
 
10:15 PM
So I think the ENB didn't work with the mod manager
 
arghh
 
FFS. USE THE ARROWS. What are you? A noob?
 
yes
 
It is you who failed to reply-to. Not me :)
 
arrghh
arrows do not cooperate either
 
10:19 PM
@Borgleader did you install it with the mod manager?
 
@sehe No, that's me.
 
@sehe I just managed to find it ;p It was addition to: img-9gag-ftw.9cache.com/photo/anXAXYB_460s.jpg
 
@PTwr Oh. LOL
 
:)
 
10:20 PM
That's pretty funny
 
@melak47 I added it in the list like all the things and enabled it but it didn't seem to do anything so i copied all the files from the archive into the folder and that seemed to work
 
I want to know story behind that picture
 
Me too.
 
Are any of you familiar with the game the Hunter?
 
google image search time!
 
10:21 PM
On steam?
 
I always forget that you can't raise events from subclasses in C#
god damnit
 
They're teasing an update where they will finally let me hunt sehes.
 
what a lame unfeature
I need to google for the reasoning again
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No, your comments have been deleted because they were only intended to troll.
 
> From outside of the definition of a class (even in a derived class) you can only register and unregister from an event. Inside of the class, the compiler only allows you to raise the event. This is a by-design behavior of C#
ok so nothing compelling
no wonder I didn't remember it
 
10:27 PM
@Borgleader I think it can only install mods that install into the data folder. ENB goes in the toplevel folder
 
hmm i guess that makes sense
 
or it might have dumped it into /data anyway :D
where it does nothing
on the other hand...the mod authors are supposed to check the right boxes on their shit, so a mod that isn't installable with the mond manager shouldn't get the "install with mod manager" button :p
 
@PTwr seems highly original here: aalam.soup.io/post/352531912/Image (but it's reposted a zillion times)
 
@sehe from what I see it came to civilized parts of Internet from Russia
And although I know more Russian than Haskell I won't be able to understand much
 
Captioned "where is the spring?" here: kompleksdziury.soup.io/post/352759276/Image
@PTwr I'd say Polish
 
10:33 PM
@sehe found any pages in Polish that might explain anything? With that language I can help ;)
 
Already linked I guess
 
ah, I looked at .io instead of page name
 
@melak47 How the hell do I take screenshots D:
 
F12
Steam will do it for you
 
@sehe meh, that page is some crappy blog with just images, and its a repost
 
10:35 PM
@AlexM. Overlay doesn't seem to work (Shift-Tab isnt doing anything)
 
O_o
weird
is it disabled by some mods?
 
might be enb series
 
@Borgleader I dunno. steam has a button for that
@Borgleader shouldn't be
@Borgleader print screen should take one, also.
 
@hichris123 How is Earth Science supposed to know that?
 
and dump it right in the game folder
 
10:37 PM
@Borgleader Mod for which game?
 
@Puppy skyrim
 
Oh, you're an Earth Science moderator. LOL
that figures
 
@PTwr one of maaaaaaany
 
@sehe over nine zilions!
Is there any page on SE network where we can ask?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit By looking in the Lounge transcript, of which all are obviously regulars?
 
10:40 PM
a zilion. pretty new concept
gonna sleep
night all
 
cya
 
@hichris123 If you weren't a moderator on that site, nobody who were would have the faintest clue that the transcript of the SO Lounge would have anything at all to do with it.
Also you weren't even here at the time so whut
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yup. I just was browsing by when I approved your edit, since I wanted to see if you were talking about any other posts that needed to be edited.
 
@hichris123 alright
 
Grim Fandango Remastered---I might buy this even though I will probably never finish it, since I suck at adventure games.
I loved that game.
 
10:43 PM
I wishlisted it today
I played it 10 years ago so I barely remember anything about it
except for the great music
 
@PTwr Where is the righteous squad when somebody says something like that...
 
@wilx uhh?
 
@PTwr I just linked to your message. The comment is for the others.
 
@wilx ah
now I know what that little arrow does (well, now I know it is there)
 
10:59 PM
ok enough coding
time for alcohol and games
 

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