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So it's either that or the K70 then.
Hmm...
 
lol I forgot how expensive MX Blues are.
I paid $105 for my keyboard.
 
mx blues are one of the cheaper switches
 
And I'm about to pay about the same.
 
generally brown, blue and red are the cheapest
 
12:02 AM
The same keyboard with MX Blue instead of MX Brown is $140
 
if you want black, green, clears or something you generally have to pay more/can't find shit
there's also
but not full size
 
I like full size for the arrow keys.
 
ugh
learn vim
but you're mistaken though
TKL has arrow keys
it drops the numpad
usually
the board I just linked seems to be the exception to the rule
 
I know.
I prefer losing the arrow keys to the numpad, I guess.
 
Just buy a full sized keyboard.
 
12:05 AM
what do you use the numpad for lol
you can always buy a seperate numpad to put on the left
 
Mostly games.
 
@orlp What a solution lol
 
@Rapptz I care mostly about the distance between my mouse and my keyboard
 
@orlp Keybindings in games, calculations sometimes.
 
Also I use a scripting tool, and I use the numpad for macros.
 
12:06 AM
My keyboard moves the numpad to FN combo
 
Such as one for quickly typing lenny face, essential to most games.
 
have to zoom in quite a bit but you can make it out
 
So ugly.
 
function > form
 
Those scrunched up Home, Ins, etc keys.
I hate it.
I've had TKL keyboards before.
 
12:07 AM
Did you just say Fn combos are more functional than a full keyboard
 
TKL doesn't scrunge up Home, Ins, etc
what I just linked is 75%, not TKL
 
Whatever it is, I've had the same exact layout.
And I didn't like it much.
 
@CatPlusPlus for the occasionally used macro, yes
 
Keys are good
Key combos are a workaround
 
I love more keys
 
12:08 AM
I remember the only good memory I had was that I had (ironically) the End key in my pinky due to doing a lot of work arounds to get used to that.
 
if they weren't in between my mouse and my main typing area
 
I can sacrifice 10mm
Besides when I'm typing I don't use mouse
 
Except on a full-sized keyboard it's actually 10cm
 
Oh no
 
For what it's worth: for sound effects, or not.
 
12:09 AM
I'm getting a new keyboard and mouse and I've set a total budget of 20€
Oh that also includes the mousepad
 
I think you're doing yourself a disfavour
 
I use a $10 mouse.
 
whatever layout you choose, at least get a decent board with that layout
 
I'm thinking about registering my own domain name where I host all my projects and stuff. But should I host with github and make it all open-source? Or should I close-source it and put it on a private server? I have heard that companies like Google and Facebook pay attention, when you apply for jobs and internships, to your open-source stuff and projects...
 
I can't imagine finding a $10 keyboard though.
 
12:10 AM
@Rapptz I use a $15 mouse.
 
My budget was $120 for K&M + mousepad so $10 was good
 
@Puppy looks like you're no longer the only Puppy.
@Rapptz ATM my mouse pad is a piece of construction paper taped to my desk.
 
Lol.
 
Construction paper is essential because it's smoother than normal paper.
 
I was going to get one of those fancy ones with a wrist guard but then I remembered I'm not a baby and I play games.
 
12:13 AM
@DemCodeLines Open source it for all of our eyes to see.
 
ok quick mockup
Ideally I'd want this:
 
@Rapptz Those are impossible to use.
@orlp You drew that?
 
well, I moved around parts in paint of another image
to reorder the parts
 
ideally I want this:
 
@orlp Oh.
 
12:16 AM
actually, ideal would be a bit different
one sec
 
@chmod711telkitty I don't know. Chocolate keyboards don't really click with me.
 
you don't like chocolate?
 
I do.
'Twas all an attempt at a punny pun.
 
@orlp Make it
 
@orlp Are you left handed?
 
12:18 AM
No, I'm right handed
 
You sure?
 
the default keyboard layout is perfect for left handed people
 
@Rapptz I don't think it's that. It's because the mouse.
 
You're optimising the wrong thing
 
Who uses the mouse and keyboard at the same time outside of games?
 
12:19 AM
Instead of minimising the distance between keyboard and mouse minimise the use of mouse
 
I already do
I still have to change often
 
Then you're doing it wrong :v
 
Until I met you, I didn't know this was a complaint.
I didn't know people cared about the distance.
They could be 35cm away and I still wouldn't notice
 
then why do you think TKL is so popular under mechanical keyboard users?
 
I think we have a different definition of popular.
 
12:21 AM
@Rapptz I don't. I use my mouse not only to the right of me, but also slightly down. The bigger keyboard doesn't get in the way.
 
And I don't know.
I figured they didn't care about number pads.
Not caring about distance.
 
Without the numpad, I wouldn't have macros.
 
without a numpad I wouldn't have convenient places to put some keybindings
 
"You're passing your pointer by value, so the function can't affect the pointer." Wait what
 
protip: fully programmable keyboards
 
12:23 AM
Passing pointers by reference is a thing?
 
the caps lock key becomes escape if you tap it
 
I use Linux too.
 
if you hold it + another key it becomes a custom keybinding
 
Those never work there lol
 
then they're fuckily implemented
your hardware controller should be a default USB keyboard
 
12:23 AM
Is that a new word?
 
all translation should be done hardware side
 
You know that requires a driver right?
 
With an already-shortened keyboard, why would you reprogram it?
 
Logitech keyboards for example don't work on Linux and probably never will.
 
@Rapptz Not neccesarily, it could be done on hardware.
 
12:24 AM
Uh because you have even less keys?
 
@CatPlusPlus I mean for macros, I wouldn't want to sacrifice even more keys.
 
@Rapptz no it doesn't
 
The only keyboard I've seen that could be programmable under Linux is ROCCAT.
 
@Rapptz it requires a microcontroller
 
Even then, it requires software.
 
12:25 AM
@Rapptz no it doesn't
 
Pretty sure it does.
 
@Rapptz the computer only sees a default USB keyboard
 
You need software to reprogram the keyboard.
 
@JerryCoffin If the dude in stackoverflow.com/questions/28035781/… did "*data = ...", it would affect main's data, right?
 
I don't get why you're arguing this.
 
12:26 AM
USB things can have a firmware you know
 
^
sure you need to build that firmware
 
Protip: No one does.
 
but that's a one-time easy process
 
Look it up if you want.
 
Besides current keyboard standard is shit and should die
 
12:27 AM
@Blob Explicitly summoning people? I need to start doing this. Hehe :)
 
this would be closer to ideal
I like having f1-f5 close for games, and the gap still allows me to orient using touch only
 
@Nooble He posted an answer in that thread and mentioned passing pointers by reference.
 
@Blob Oh.
Well whatever summoning people still sounds cool.
 
@StackedCrooked a cool coliru feature (for SO) would be the number of views on a given code sample
 
@orlp I like the closer function keys, although I would like the numpad on my right. It feels more natural being on my dominant hand side.
 
12:29 AM
Anybody brave enough to help me with some Qt styling problems?
 
No
 
optimal would probably be this though:
 
is that usable?
 
where does the mouse go?
 
absolutely
 
12:31 AM
Ugh
 
1 star for effort.
 
@Mikhail to the right
 
Try harder.
 
or to the left if you're left handed
 
I thought you wanted to minimise the distance, not put the mouse in the next room
 
12:32 AM
@Blob It would give undefined behavior because he hasn't initialized the pointer in main(). If he initialized the pointer in main (to point to an instance of Data) then yes, passing the pointer to that data would allow function1 to modify the data it pointed at.
 
Which people here actually touch-type?
 
everyone?
 
@Blob Yes--you can use it (edge-on) as a hammer or anvil without damage (and now the thread has come full circle).
 
if you're spending as much time on the computer as any lounger is doing you should be ashamed if you do not touch type
 
I touch type but don't place my fingers on "asdf jkl;". I just sorta float it above the keyboard when I'm not typing.
 
12:36 AM
@orlp Right, but I mean - really properly.
 
@orlp This strikes me as a less a matter of shame than insanity.
 
I'm sure everyone here can type without looking at a keyboard.
 
@Nooble do you mean, they orient by... drumroll touch?
 
But without proper form, that two handed keyboard design would be terrible.
@orlp What do you mean?
 
"Touch typing (also called touch type or touch method or touch and type method) is typing without using the sense of sight to find the keys."
 
12:37 AM
@Nooble With proper form, it's terrible.
 
I don't understand what you guys have against the two handed design.
 
Sometimes my fingers cross when I type.
Cross each others typing "zones"
 
And you'll soon unlearn that?
 
In which case, there will be a significant learning curve typing on that thing.
 
Of course there will be
 
12:39 AM
Those are optimized for your elbows being quite wide. "Proper" form dictates sitting upright with your elbows close to your sides, in which case there's no need for the separation between the halves the keyboard (and in fact, the separation is quite uncomfortable). The problem, of course, is that many (most?) people don't sit "properly" when typing.
 
Elbows close to your sides means that your arms are wide
 
@orlp Depends on how broad your shoulders are. Another factor is that traditional keyboards are probably designed around a lady from 1940, who was probably five foot six and 97 pounds.
 
@JerryCoffin I'm 2 foot 2 and 25 pounds.
 
 
I'm a koala, see.
 
12:43 AM
take the example in figure 1, proper form
 
@orip My vision is bad so I need to learn forward a bit :C
 
@Nooble Your height/weight seem quite variable.
 
and I don't like wearing my classes all the time
 
unless she is sitting with her arms crossed towards the middle (which is terrible), her arms are at least as wide as her waist
there is no way that "asdfghjkl" is as wide as your waist
 
Does someone know if there is an SO question about this?
3
A: How to check a type for a nested template?

ColumboWe basically have to check whether the expression T::template foo is valid. Unfortunately, the context matters. We have to use T::template foo in some valid context, and I did not yet come up with one that would actually allow every template. Here is one that should work with templates taking ...

 
12:44 AM
@orlp Certainly not as wide as my waist, anyway.
 
Is this really a bug?
I think I've encountered this on a Q/A before
But I just can't recall it
I don't want to ask it and get duped
(By rightfold)
(Who subsequently calls me a noob)
 
asking it is the best way to find out if it's a dupe
people are a lot more willing
 
@Columbo there is no well-defined answer I think
 
@orlp I'm sure there is a CWG issue about this somewhere
 
for some T foo might not be defined?
 
12:47 AM
To do with SFINAE
 
@JerryCoffin But you're a wasp.
 
why the hell arent thread ids in <thread> integers
god damn
 
@Nooble I could only wish my waist fit a little more closely with that image.
 
I hope you don't mind the hairy part
 
@Pris Because that'd be stupid?
 
12:54 AM
why would that be stupid
 
@Pris The whole purpose of <thread> is to abstract away the threading API from the OS into a standard form you can use anywhere
 
The assumption that threads have integer id's might be true on your platform, but not true in general.
 
@orlp platforms that dont have integer thread ids are stupid
 
12:56 AM
@Pris stupid platforms are not excluded from C++'s target platforms
 
@Pris How are you using them?
 
You could use a string as a thread ID theoretically
No one is stopping you
 
I wanted to print it out for debugging stuff. Apparently I can use ostream to turn it into a string though
 
You know what I want to be able to debug? GLSL.
 
1:11 AM
@Nooble Enjoy.
 
252 messages. What say ye. Transcript or bed
 
@sehe Bed (as long as it's not alone).
 
@sehe Amazing!
 
So bed it is. Have a good night
 
@sehe 'night
 
1:14 AM
@sehe Night.
@Borgleader I see you've broken the 10K barrier.
 
@Nooble You apparently don't know how to do math correctly. 10k would be 10240 points, of which he's still obviously short.
 
Good morning.
 
@MarkGarcia Hi Mark.
 
So last night I accidentally destroyed the partition stuff on my laptop's HDD by mistakenly choosing it for a recovery disk. Good thing there's those plethora of partition recovery tools...
 
@JerryCoffin 10k it is then.
Notice the lower case.
 
1:21 AM
@Nooble Doesn't matter, some 10% would be used by the vendor in their own stuff anyway.
 
10K is roughly -263℃
 
@sehe I confused myself by both thinking of K as Kelvin and Kilo.
Was almost about to put it up. whoo!
@sehe Good night.
:)
 
@MarkGarcia Unfortunately, the kilokelvin is only useful in a fairly narrow range of circumstances.
 
@sehe That's cool.
 
@Nooble ...but not really cold, which is only temperatures below that of liquid helium (-269℃).
 
1:29 AM
@JerryCoffin i wish nvidia would release tools like that for oss software
 
@JerryCoffin That's a definition?
 
@JerryCoffin or even just linux/unix-y targets
 
@Nooble Yeah, pretty much (though they use different terminology).
@Pris Your own fault for trying to do development on a crippled platform. :-)
 
holy shit XML is tiresome
it's exhausting
 
@JerryCoffin "crippled platforms" them's fightin words, bub
 
1:36 AM
@Jefffrey S-expressions FTW.
 
I hear that PowerVR/Qualcomm/ARM have some okay graphics tools for their chips... but obviously nowhere near what the nvidia tools do. Also in general Nvidia is very closed source in everything they do... I think they're scared of open sourcing anything for some reason
 
@Nooble I think the script is late on reversing some upvotes from last night.
 
@Borgleader Maybe, Borgmoderator.
 
@Pris They don't have any good reason to. It's for their proprietary tech and won't be that much useful for the community either.
 
@Pris I don't think it's fear. I think they've developed a passion for pissing on Linus.
 
1:42 AM
Open sourcing their drivers wouldn't be useful for the community? They have tons of closed source dev tools too btw, I haven't checked up recently but there was a scene graph called SceneX, and a bunch of other stuff that isn't really 'nvidia specific'
 
@JerryCoffin And vice versa
 
didnt linus praise nvidia recently for something
or at least getting some stuff in shape after he flipped em off
 
@Pris That seems hard to believe, but I suppose it's possible.
 
@Pris Again they don't need to. As long as they make the drivers for relevant platforms, I don't see any advantage for the community in open sourcing their code. Maybe you propose customizing them, but that would be a headache for NVidia having incompatibilities and such.
 
Open sourcing them means people can still use the hardware even if nvidia wants to drop support
 
1:48 AM
@Pris I hope that's true, but the praise I would expect from Linus for NVidia would be a change to a fist-sign from the middle finger he gave.
 
Remember what happened with binary drivers when Linux jumped from 2.6 -> 3.x
i will say that nvidia seems to have really good support in general though, and they are relatively quick with feedback and bugfixes and all that
like, they are the best linux gpu vendor. intels drivers are open source but always behind and amds stuff is flaky too
 
They don't want customers to come to them complaining about the community version they don't (and won't) control.
 
@MarkGarcia Well, in silly Philippine news, my wife's family is all quite excited--the pilot who flew the pope to Tacloban is her cousin.
 
@MarkGarcia no ones saying they have to support open sourced code... but it would help ie the noveau project a lot
 
lol, you can't reference a key from a file if you are in any other file
oh fuck you xml
 
1:52 AM
Uh what does XML have to do with that
 
erm, keyref?
 
keyref what
 
I can't keyref a key in another file?
Oh you mean that it's XMLSchema and not XML.
 
Yes, apparently
 
sorry
oh fuck you xmlschema
 
1:54 AM
@Jefffrey Obviously you want to use DTDs instead. ;-)
 
That's probably the joke, but honestly I barely know whether I'm alive or not right now, but AFAIK DTD is even worse.
 
@JerryCoffin I really understand how they feel, and I won't disguise myself not to be happy if one of my family does that.
@JerryCoffin But really it's a sad thing that most people here are so focused on the pope like it's him that should be the center of all things. I did here the news of the pope saying to people not to worship him, but the local media just won't budge.
Of course he's a special person, but people here just have a tendency to idolize.
 
@MarkGarcia Yeah, I dunno. A lot of Filipinos (who think of themselves as devout Catholics) seem to border on worshiping a lot of things/people the Bible is pretty clear they shouldn't (e.g., the Pope, Magellan's cross).
At the same time, his doing the piloting is pretty cool.
 
I think it's protestant denominations that forbid worshipping anything but God himself. AFAIK catholicism is fine with worshipping Maria and praying to apostles etc..
 
@JerryCoffin Was it a private jet? (I didn't read the news, and a search only came up with a plane with officials following the pope overrunning the runway)
 
2:06 AM
@JerryCoffin I used that in an English test once and it was marked wrong.
 
Don't worry, it's right.
 
She was like. Do you mean 'dice'?
 
@StackedCrooked There's just too much Catholics who worship them as part of their tradition. I do think that the Catholic higher up knows that it's wrong.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit
 
@MarkGarcia No. Philippine Air Lines. mb.com.ph/who-are-the-people-behind-popes-safety-landing (Roland Narciso is her cousin).
 
2:08 AM
@Borgleader It's a mac, from apple, a fad. :P
 
wanchor?
 
> vice president of flight operations
They let management do the job???
@Jefffrey "wanker"
 
do you spell anchor as anker?
I pronounce anchor as "ankor"
not as "anker".
 
close enough D:
what
 
oh no, it's pronounced "anker"
TIL
 
2:12 AM
@MarkGarcia That's the "Skee Tamayo". He was officially commander of the flight, but apparently isn't qualified to fly an A320, so he couldn't actually even touch the controls. Roland is their senior A320 pilot (and spends most of his time training other pilots).
 
@JerryCoffin We've had multiple telecom service interruptions while the pope was flying. They reasoned out that it's due to security. Security was so paranoid. (A sinister idea of letting him be martyr crossed me once TBH)
 
@MarkGarcia Now, now. Be nice! Or try to be, anyway. :-|
 
@JerryCoffin It's a joke I made to my friends and no one appreciated it. :(
 
void* TP = malloc(sizeof (string) * SS); recipe for success
 
@MarkGarcia Sad how people get that way...
@Borgleader ...as long as you define "success" as "leaks like a sieve and nobody even wants to understand the code."
Sad part is, some really would define things that way. "I'll never be fired, because my code needs constant maintenance, and nobody else can even stand to look at it."
 
2:30 AM
it's on the facebook, posted by the person himself, while on the front line in Syria
you simply don't go to war because you can post cool pictures on your facebook page
 
2:50 AM
Am I the only one who thinks this hour-late post about avoiding raw new and delete (and such) was worthwhile?
 
@JerryCoffin +1 for simplicity
 
It's never too late for Good Posts
Hopefully it won't be drowned out by shit
Gah 4AM
 
@CatPlusPlus Thanks. Hope springs eternal, anyway.
@CatPlusPlus Good night...or good morning, as the case may be.
 
I posted a very similar question to C++ mailing list when I started out.
That's when I realized the error was a double delete.
Took me a while to realize that because the first answers just told me the error was not having implemented copy constructor and copy assignment.
 
@StackedCrooked I think (just about) everybody who's written C++ at all has done it once. Was probably a little easier to avoid in, say, the mid-90s, when (literally) one magazine article out of three (related to C++ at all) basically came down to the rule of the big three.
 
2:59 AM
ok time for bed
its a hawf hour past my bed time
 
@Borgleader Good night.
 
@Borgleader G'night.
 
is your bed time 3 am?
2:30 am*
 
@Blob Whose bed time are you asking about? In accordance with old-fart rules, I'm generally go to bed almost immediately after supper.
 
3:15 AM
@JerryCoffin Borg's. I assume he's in the UK.
and that's probably EST+5 if i'm not mistaken
 
@Blob I think "UTC+0" would be a bit simpler way to look at it...
...or "GMT+0" if you prefer tradition.
 
My watch can store multiple times and I set one of them to UTC, but it frequently changes to random countries because the button to change it is easily pressed by clothing and stuff
:|
had to go through a huge list to find it again
 
@Blob Sounds like a poor UI (which I find to be quite common, especially on things with a dearth of buttons or other input).
 
3:31 AM
2 space indentation is so hard to read
 
Yeah.
 
@Rapptz It's quite necessary in HTML/XML and other heavily nested markups though.
That is, when coupled with a good text editor.
 
I don't know what this fuckery is
Why is it randomly unindented? ._.
 
Looks like inverted indentation.
Bah I don't know. It's your problem. :P
 
I didn't write this!
 
3:37 AM
lol, of course I won't assume it's yours.
Somebody at Adobe should make an app to automate all this pixel copy-pasta.
Also, lol, you can't right click > view page source! The manager sure would love this code-protection scheme!
lololololol the words are actually searchable! Superior SEO!
 
What's the joke here?
I don't get it.
 
It's all images!
 
Oh I see.
I should probably get to work on this \uXXXX thing
 
4:00 AM
17
A: Chasing pirates

JabeStay put for 51 days, after which the pirates would have circumnavigated the globe and returned to your current position.

See the answer above it!
 
Hm.
Is 0x00 - 0x1F valid JSON in a string?
Nope.
 
Only displayable characters, IIRC.
 
My string parsing code in my json library has become considerably more complicated.
But the previous one was wrong so :p
 
4:20 AM
@MarkGarcia Visual Studio already (sort of) does. It lets you open a bitmap to use as a template when creating a dialog.
@Rapptz Amazing how much simpler code can be when you don't care about its being correct!
 
lol
 
4:42 AM
What's the point of having no correct code in the first place?
It's like say 'hey, here is a basket of really cheap rotten fish, Is it great?'
It's great only if you are desperate ...
Also a pervert called me 'not nice' after I tried to match making him with a 100kg lady ...
I mean, I totally would not mind if someone hook me with a decent looking, intelligent guy ... He doesn't have to be hot or a genius. But I don't want to be in fight or flight mode whenever I see him ...
I also don't mind a buttercream vanilla sponge cake @ moment ... Haven't had one in months ...
 

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