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11:00 AM
works for me
 
same
 
(Hint: He's raging against some preceived offense)
 
There's a village on a remote island, the people of the village follow a very strict religion, everyone who discovers his own eye color, must get on the next ferry (they come at midnight) and leave the island.
There are no reflective surfaces in the village, and no one is allowed to talk about their friends' eye color
 
@sehe ok thx
haha Vlad's profile..
 
@SecondRikudo I read about it a few years ago but lacked the stamina for solving it.
 
11:02 AM
One day, an explorer arrives to the village, and makes a statement. Everyone in the village heard his statement: "I didn't think I'd find others with blue eyes in such a remote place", and leaves.
 
ooh
 
Now, assuming that there are 100 people with blue eyes, and 100 people with brown eyes, and assuming the explorer didn't lie and all of the villagers know that, and assuming that all of the villagers can see all of the other villagers' eye color during the day (but not their own's)
How many of the villagers would leave the island, and how many nights would it take?
 
You missed out some pretty fucking important details
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Such as?
 
why can't a villager just count the # of people with brown eyes to decide whether or not he has brown eyes?
if the numbers are known
 
11:05 AM
@AlexM. Because the numbers aren't known to him.
For all he knows, there're 101:99, or maybe he has red eyes.
 
oh
 
damn
 
@SecondRikudo For one thing, you didn't even introduce the concept of what happens at night, or of the conditions for leaving the island, until the final question
 
I didn't realize this was Lounge<Rehashed Idiotic Logic Puzzles>
 
Well, it is
 
11:06 AM
5 mins ago, by Second Rikudo
There's a village on a remote island, the people of the village follow a very strict religion, everyone who discovers his own eye color, must get on the next ferry (they come at midnight) and leave the island.
 
clearly.
 
you shoulda paid attention :p
 
@Puppy No, it's Lounge<C++>, which fully explains all the bullshittery you're constantly whinging about that has nothing to do with C++ whatsoever
Honestly, you're the last one who should be bitching about "off-topicness"
 
never mentioned off-topicness.
 
@SecondRikudo Okay so what's happened here is that I missed your first two messages ;)
 
11:07 AM
I'm just pointing out that it's a dumb puzzle that's been done to death.
 
@Puppy You basically did.
@Puppy Okay.
 
maybe if he had a remotely interesting logic puzzle
 
like why is Puppy still allowed to chat here
 
I think the puzzle is interesting but I've never heard of it before
 
I get the impression that not everyone have heard it before
I didn't know it. I'm looking forward to hearing the answer :p
 
11:11 AM
@jalf There's a version and its solution on XKCD via Google if you like
 
user3010322
._.
 
user3010322
In 2 hours I need to wake up and go to work.
 
if the schedule allows
go to work now and leave earlier
 
actually, I guess I apologize, I didn't really have anything else I wanted to discuss, so it was kinda unfair of me to just come in and shit on the current topic.
 
aww :(
puppy is so tsundere
2
that's why I love him <3
 
11:15 AM
shut up fool
 
FINE
 
user3010322
@AlexM. The company has a concept of "Core Hours"
 
@Puppy group hug time!
 
user3010322
That is, unless you're sick or something, you need to be available to get meeting'd upon and shit during the "Core Hours"
 
@ThePhD yeah, that kinda sucks
I mean here you have to be present when you're needed
 
user3010322
11:17 AM
Did I mention meetings are the worst thing in the fucking world?
 
but since the time when you're needed varies
 
user3010322
Oh, you're working hard and concentrating?
 
user3010322
I THINK WE NEED TO SYNC UP ABOUT THIS THING YOU'RE DOING
 
I have colleagues coming at 11AM, and others coming at 9AM
 
user3010322
CAN WE GET A STATUS UPDATE
 
user3010322
11:18 AM
WOULD YOU MIND IF I PINGED YOU
 
lol yeah that was annoying at my old workplace
I'd be concentrating on my work when
"LET'S START A MEETING TO DISCUSS THE FUTURE OF OUR GAMES"
I'd sit in a corner and listen because none of it concerned me
I was just the programmer doing what was asked of me
 
@ThePhD I like your use of capitalization.
 
@ThePhD no don't ping me
@ThePhD pinging is bad
@ThePhD and really kind of annoying
@ThePhD isn't it?
 
user3010322
I'm so glad I have my sound off.
 
11:19 AM
lol
 
user3010322
:D
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit tbh the notifications piss me off more than the sound
I have to click on them to make them disappear
 
@AlexM. ah
@AlexM. ok
@AlexM. I'll try not to do too many them
@AlexM. theb*
@AlexM. then**
@AlexM. ffs!
@AlexM. (seriously though, yeah me too)
 
damn
 
^ twat
 
11:22 AM
@Abyx You misspelt "<"
 
@ThePhD are you still at microsoft?
 
user3010322
Yeah, for like another month and change.
 
user3010322
And then it's OFF TO SOMEWHERE ELSE FOREEEVEER.
 
what's wrong with microsoft?
 
"Hi there! I'm at Microsoft for another 1 month and 52 pence"
 
11:22 AM
I'd figure it's a nice company to work at
 
@AlexM. what's wrong with underage anal rape?
@AlexM. not right now it isn't
 
is there something bad going on?
 
@ThePhD what software do they use for that? (messenger no longer exists iirc)
 
user3010322
@StackedCrooked Lync.
 
11:23 AM
I see.
Never heard of it.
 
80,000 people being laid off and may not even know whether they're included in that for six months
 
So... any answers? :P
 
oh, the layoffs
I read something about that before
waiting six months to find out if you're losing your job must be shitty
 
@ThePhD Give it a year and Skype will be retired in favour of Lync. Then three years later Lync will be discontinued. Goodbye, my sweet workflow.
Actually I wonder if I could place a bet on that with someone
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Thought it was 20k?
 
11:26 AM
@Puppy oh, yeah it is
good fetch catch
 
hi everyone here
 
@AlexM. for a masochist it would be lovely
 
here to ask basic question
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Paddy Power will bet on anything, or you could go the traditional route and use Lloyd's of London to insure your workflow.
 
how should I start off with C++
??
 
11:28 AM
@Mahesha999 I haven't used basic in a while.
 
lol
 
@Mahesha999 don't; learn C#
 
man am serious
serious
 
@Mahesha999 First you should learn about int and then vector.
 
hell serious
 
Xeo
11:29 AM
Alright, gonna get my new phone on Monday
 
4280
Q: The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List

grepsedawkThis question attempts to collect the few pearls among the dozens of bad C++ books that are published every year. Unlike many other programming languages, which are often picked up on the go from tutorials found on the Internet, few are able to quickly pick up C++ without studying a well-written...

 
@Xeo what phone did you settle for?
 
start there
 
@Mgetz thanks
that will help
but...
well I know basics of C++ as learnt in my college days, basic syntax and pointers, currently am good at C#, Java and JavaScript
 
> basic syntax and pointers
uh oh..
 
Xeo
11:31 AM
@AlexM. Lumia 635 /cc @Puppy
 
@Mahesha999 then you should forget everything you think you know and read the book list I linked
 
sure that wasn't a C course?
 
@Xeo looks awesome
 
@melak47 I think you mean a CCurse
 
11:32 AM
@Mgetz hmm... I know I can barely imagine C++ world
 
WP is really fast and responsive on any phone running it
if you don't care about the # of apps available on the store, you'll probably love it
 
but I dont want to learn it for app development but more for scientific research sort of as used at post grad programmes
 
Jul 25 at 7:50, by Rapptz
New here? Read the rules to avoid getting bit.
 
should I go for particular variant of C++
 
@Mahesha999 you probably want stuff like matlab for that
 
user3010322
11:33 AM
sCience++
 
@Mahesha999 C++11
 
@Mahesha999 Raspberry-flavored, imo
 
@jalf as in Raspberry-pie?
 
@AlexM. yess matlab - is if am not wrong a library, so will require for graphics programming, but yess
 
11:34 AM
Use numpy/scipy
 
matlab is not a library
 
You get better performance and a real programming language
On Windows, use Winpython
MKL enabled and everything.
 
just trying to guess what all I should read to keep me prepared for my post grad studies especially on C++ part
 
@AlexM. small Q: can you easily stream music from your WP to, say, an XBMC server on the network?
@Mahesha999 scientific C++ is usually not that hard. It's the equations and numbers that matter more than the programming design, unfortunately.
 
@rubenvb dont shout on WP, wpboy here
:P
 
11:38 AM
@rubenvb vOv never tried anything like it and I don't own a WP phone
but I'm figuring it wouldn't be hard
worst case scenario: you write your own stuff
 
Well, no.
 
but I'm sure there are alternatives :P
 
It'd be to actually use DLNA, not write a friggin' app for it
djeezes
Thing is, my Xperia (Android) has the capability, but fails to stream any audio file for some mysterious reason.
 
no idea how that even works so you're asking the wrong person
 
But then I just install another app and it works.
But I'm guessing as it works on Windows Desktop they got that covered...?
 
11:41 AM
@rubenvb I'm pretty sure it supports DNLA out of the box
 
@Mgetz OK. I'd think that. Just want to be sure :-)
 
@rubenvb cursory google search shows that the OS itself doesn't, but manufacture(s) do, Nokia released a DNLA enabled app for pretty much all WP
 
@Mgetz oh ok. Thanks.
But it doesn't have a front-facing cam. Skyping would be the second reason to have it...
 
"it" being the Lumia 635
I think I'll go for the Moto G.
 
11:50 AM
I'm curious about the new HTC one WP coming out soon
sadly verizon only here in the states
 
lol US communications
 
@Puppy that assumes we have such things and that any that do happen aren't throttled by the carrier
 
It'll soon be legal for you guys to un-SIM-lock your phones.
Note: it was illegal before.
 
@Mgetz also lol at the totally uncompetitive internets
@rubenvb It was legal between 2006 and 2013, then became illegal but the government made carriers promise not to sue anyone for it, now it's gonna be legal again.
 
@Puppy oh lol. US U so funny
 
11:58 AM
@rubenvb It's the anti-competition that amuses me the most. They're so hardcore capitalistic, they think it's OK for monopolies to abuse their power to stay monopolies. After all, if you built a monopoly, you deserve to have one, right?
 
@rubenvb I find it amusing that the country we signed a treaty with that lead to the law that made it illegal... has pulled out of the treaty because it was harming their economy (Korea)
 
@Mgetz wait, what? Telecom providers have something to do with international treaties?
How does that work exactly?
 
@rubenvb not telecom in this case, Hollywood
they wanted an anti-circumvention clause so you couldn't research how to break copyright protection
didn't work
 
SIM-lock has nothing to do with copyright. What are you talking about?
 
@rubenvb the law is worded very poorly so that working around any sort of DRM, Copy Protection, or locking mechanism is illegal
 
12:02 PM
lol@USA
I guess lock smiths were temporarily out of business then.
 
@rubenvb only digital locks
 
Just glad I don't live there anymore...
Great country, but not really once you get to the bottom of it all :-/
 
in JavaScript, 2 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
> Science is everything then why can't a religion wouldn't have science? and yes I have my own science and everybody does too. – Mr_Green 1 hour ago
Area 51 in a nutshell
 
why the fuck are you in the JavaScript room
in JavaScript, 1 min ago, by Mr_Green
@BartekBanachewicz "You have your own science?".. I said yes. the question was dumb so the answer is
completely reasonable
don't misrepresent people
 
12:14 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit because it's hip?
 
What say ye? Is my edit warranted: stackoverflow.com/posts/25056062/revisions
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I do write in JS
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what
 
english comprehension - get some
 
in JavaScript, 2 mins ago, by zigi
I've had this discussion with a girl that I tried to explained something logical to her and she said, not everyone is interested in all the details of your science, the fact is that there is always something magical and wondrous you cannot explain, and then I explain it to her with some backup facts and she tells me again that I am going too much into details and things can't be explained that way.
Well, science does not explain everything. It probably never will.
 
12:17 PM
@sehe of course
@Jefffrey Yeah, she's right.
 
@Jefffrey that's zigi
 
You preserved the feeling of a rambling, disjointed mind in an easy-to-read format. Well done.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit fuck that. Either tell me what you mean or stay silent.
 
These militant scientists fucking piss me off. They're just bigoted and closed-minded and then try to claim some sort of intellectual superiority
@BartekBanachewicz lol u mad?
 
Your common sense has been suspended. Please stop using Your common sense.
 
12:19 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I shall not "stay silent" thank you very much dipshit
@thecoshman heh
 
@thecoshman dat guy
 
"I only believe in the things I see before me. Until something is proven, I do not believe in it" is the most retarded and illogical and unscientific mantra and it's so frequently spake by these dicks. Antimorons would immediately point to problem-solving as a counterexample; how can you consider hypotheses if you immediately throw away everything that doesn't fit within the little bubble of "what you already know"
Using that as a basis to attack people who believe in something more, and/or something unseen, is entirely retarded
 
I understand that.
 
hey what is the best book to learn java?
 
That being said, on the flip side, religious nuts who throw away what is known (to a sufficient degree) are also stupid.
And that's it. That's the entire science vs religion argument, stripped of its meaningless and contradictory and illogical nonsense, right there.
Pathetic, isn't it?
@AaronKyleKilleen are you kidding?
> the best book
 
12:22 PM
One can also believe that his "reality/world" was created yesterday and that it's all a lie.
 
hey what is the best way to make a tasty meal
 
There's nothing intrinsically wrong with it.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit well obviously it's an opinion
 
@AaronKyleKilleen define "best", for starters
 
12:23 PM
It's just boring to discuss with such people.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen then state your requirements and priorities
@Jefffrey and frustrating because you know they will continue going out into the world being boring and frustrating
void frustrate() { frustrate(); }
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit a book that teaches you java, for people who don't know java but who know other programming languages
 
I'm pretty sure it's not boring for them.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen it's like you missed the point entirely
i'm just going to give up now
@Jefffrey Why do you say that? They probably feel similarly.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you can't just name a book? why is everyone here so ridiculous? If someone asked me that question but for c++ I'd just say c++ primer and not be a dick about it, it's a simple question
 
12:25 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen god you're an idiot
 
probably because we don't give a shit about Java and never gave anyone a reason to believe we did.
 
do you not understand why your question is far too unspecific about your needs, and thus has a definitionless instance of "best", and is therefore unanswerable?
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Effective C++
 
fucking basic shit
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit is asking for being clear so wrong?
 
12:25 PM
if you just randomly pointed someone to C++ Primer without knowing anything about their needs, you could be doing them a massive disservice
@BartekBanachewicz Oooh strawman time! Yay! No, I said that instructing me to "stay silent" is wrong. As you well know.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit If one cannot be certain of anything, everything is possible. They can convince themselves of anything they prefer. You (or "science guys") have a lot less imagination on that regard.
I envy religious people to be honest.
At least they have everything figured out.
 
@Jefffrey I suppose that may make it less boring for them, if that's what you're getting at
@Jefffrey I understand that
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit somehow I knew this was a bad idea, jeaze I'd hate to be someone running into you from out of town asking you what there is to do around here
 
@Jefffrey Well, no, but the point is that they have faith and are content with just faith, which is the enviable aspect.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit there's no need to sperg out on me
 
12:27 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen Yeah because that's exactly the same question
fuckwad
btw what the fuck does "jeaze" mean
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you know what I meant
 
Why would you think that’s an acceptable thing to say.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I have no idea
@LucDanton Care to be more specific? I can see at least five or six candidates for that statement, both mine and others', right on this screen alone.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes. It's only boring because from "I cannot be certain of anything" you can't really go anywhere with the discussion.
 
@Jefffrey right
 
12:31 PM
ack, Boost.Variant is boost::hashable but not std::hashable.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I think of jeaze as a less intense way of saying "my god" and if you don't know "sperg out" is exhibiting symptoms of aspergers syndrome.
 
@AaronKyleKilleen So, "jeez"?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit however it's spelled i don't care
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Yes, I ignored "sperg out", as I do every other patently offensive term
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you need to lighten up a little bit
 
12:33 PM
@AaronKyleKilleen spelt*
 
Ell
@Jefffrey I don't understand that
 
@AaronKyleKilleen Lightness Races in Orbit
stupid
bbiab food - we shall continue this @Aaron. You'd better be ready!
 
@AaronKyleKilleen I think the lesson here is that it is much easier to communicate when you don't try to do it using your home-made language
 
@Ell I'm often anxious about death. If I were religious I probably wouldn't be.
 
People kind of expect english to be used in this room
 
Ell
12:34 PM
@Jefffrey I believe rationality is one goal everyone should strive towards
You can disagree. But religious people are not striving to that goal
 
Rationality is relative IMHO.
 
Ell
Really? :P
 
Or put better: everybody is rational from their own point of view.
 
Ell
Hmm
I don't think so
 
I could say that you are irrational because you trust reality, while there's really no proof reality is any true, or that we even existed 1 seconds ago.
 
Ell
12:36 PM
I think true rationality is objective
ie if you have a bunch of people that are actually rational and a bunch of people that just think they are rational all of the former will agree while the latter might disagree
@Jefffrey I disagree - whether we existed a second ago is irrelevant
it has no consequences
 
You base your definition of rationality on your memories. How could memories be irrelevant?
Memory and present is all you have got.
 
Ell
@Jefffrey "rational: based on or in accordance with reason or logic." (according to google)
I don't think this requires memories
also
What I mean is, you can't deny that you have memories
 
define reason or logic in that sentence
 
Ell
whether they were created a second ago or not
 
@Ell I almost certainly can.
Well, ok.
 
Ell
12:40 PM
@Jefffrey You remember what you just typed, no?
 
I currently have memories, but we cannot trust them, remember?
 
Ell
We can trust them
why can't you trust them?
 
There's nothing certain about memories.
 
Ell
well, I think I can be rational :P
Maybe you can't what with not trusting your own mind ;)
 
Oh, I generally trust my consciousness; but the doubt, that this is all bullshit, remains.
 
12:45 PM
@Ell It only would be objective if you have perfect information (and say hello to Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, Godel Incompleteness Theorem, etc)
 
People, I have a curiosity over something but I didn't know how to formulate it into a proper question. (I'm new to C++)
 
It's funny how we can be fooled by reality. See lucid dreams etc.. An that's our "mind".
 
@Ell Well-known fact that the brain makes shit up.
 
For example, if I have an already compiled application, is it possible to write an extension, also in C++, using elements of an API provided by my aplication, and add it to the original solution?
(I mean, a runtime mod)
 
Xeo
enum EStuff
{
  stuffAll = 1 << 0,
  stuffX = 1 << 1,
  stuffY = 1 << 2,
};
...
 
12:47 PM
@radgeRayden Sounds like a question for Stack Overflow.
 
@Xeo eh
 
Yeah, I guess I ended up being able to formulate it :P
 
@radgeRayden Look for information on plugins.
 
a playlist about diving into C++11 with gamedev! youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTEcWGdSiQenl4YRPvSqW7UPC6SiGNN7e
didn't look through it yet because slow connection at this time of the day :(
 
It looks like some of you guys are having a philosophical conversation. It also looks like you probably haven't read any of the literature and or made any effort to understand the problems and the arguments made by professionals and have instead opted to just wing it.
 
12:53 PM
help us with a paper, AKK!
 
looks like I missed something interesting
 
Ell
@Puppy I agree that there is a sliver of subjectivity, but I don't think we need perfect information to use rationality for a great level of pragmatism
 
@Ell No, we'd just need to completely rebuild our brains.
rational thought is extremely expensive for our current physiology, which is why we avoid it as much as possible.
 
Ell
So do you think people can't be rational currently?
 
no, it's just a very limited resource.
 
12:55 PM
@AlexM. I minored in philosophy, I'm not particularly well read on the subject but I do know it can be very technical and I also know that for pretty much any durable philosophical question there isn't really any really satisfactory answer, there's only the one that is the least problematic.
 
Ell
@AlexM. using namespace std :'(
 
@LucDanton trololol
 
@Ell I kinda expected that lol
I'll watch them once I get home to see moe
 
1:17 PM
> “I’m letting you go because I can’t trust you. This blog about homophones was the last straw. Now our school is going to be associated with homosexuality.”
 
very troubling
 
Xeo
1:41 PM
@jalf Err, wha.
 
bah
I spent an hour rebuilding my interface, only to realize the new interface could be trivially expressed in terms of NVI with the old one.
 
Xeo
lol
 
Oh boy... what have I just created
 
Ell
@Puppy NVI?
 
@Jefffrey A plain text file, apparently.
 
1:48 PM
non-virtual interface.
 
@Jefffrey an ew
 
that backslash namespace shit is just.... it's.... it's like.... no I can't find the words
 
@Jefffrey ugh. Use namespace aliases.
 
Yeah, but that's really not the problem.
 
hmm, shit.
actually, I'm not sure that that's an entirely correct transformation.
 
1:53 PM
Hatching puppies
 

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