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2:00 PM
@geek007 Don't repeat yourself. Spamming won't get you help faster!
 
Don't tell him he's right about anything, it only makes him stronger!!
 
user1804599
@geek007 No.
 
LOL, guess it's not over.
 
You just saw someone get banned for this shit and your response is to do the same thing
Good job
 
user1804599
You should capitalise “I” instead of “please.”
 
2:00 PM
Same person, I guess.
 
nope
 
How do you know?
 
obviously because I flagged one of these guys but not the other
 
whut
@Maxpm s/do you people/does Cat/
I dunno.. Down's?
 
user1804599
2:01 PM
Uh, why not? :v
 
@rightfold come on newbie here, little bit help would be nice
 
I have no idea what :v is even supposed to be
 
Origin mail still not arrived what a wonderful system
 
it's a smiley from Something Awful
 
user1804599
@Maxpm I just used it in an answer on Stack Overflow. :v
 
2:02 PM
@geek007 Not for us. You couldn't even be bothered to create a decent question or find people who work in your technology.
 
user1804599
@geek007 What part of “no” do you not understand, the N or the O?
 
@rightfold Yeah, I noticed.
 
@geek007 If someone knew the answer and wanted to share it, they would have done by now. This isn't a help zone.
 
This is a blast zone
Survivors will be shot
 
2:02 PM
And then shot again just for good measure
 
user1804599
Survivors of shot will be shot again.
 
lolz, have fun then :D
 
:v
 
user1804599
Thank you very much.
 
2:03 PM
Banana Chewits is gonna be mad when he returns in 18 minutes
Yes, I know you can read that.
 
what, did we just flag out his buttbuddy or something?
 
Sorry, what was that, Bartek? I can't hear you.
 
No that's not him, that's the voices in your head
 
No, I can hear the voices in my head
 
Yes I know, but please don't address them in the chat
 
Ugh slow day
 
I dislike the voices in my head
all they do is complain
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
user1804599
I could spawn a new process for each mining operation, or have a single process that updates all mining operations using a loop.
 
maybe I should make the code on my website link to code running on coliru
or screenshots from my VS addin
or both.
 
make it work first
 
what, specifically, should I make work first?
 
Everything
 
think that'll take a while
 
2:12 PM
Better get going then!
 
lol
 
2:23 PM
lol
 
I wonder why I keep backups from 2009
 
because
storage is cheap
and it doesn't matter at the end of the day
I have backups from 1999 probably
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit sigh
I am determined to click "valid" on every flag I see now
 
@BartekBanachewicz traitor :P
 
@TonyTheLion Getting banned is annoying
 
user3010322
2:26 PM
Banned? Why?
 
Because he's dumb
 
@ThePhD because I called SO community "faggots"
 
So tempted...
 
don't even think about it
 
user3010322
2:27 PM
Oh.
 
You can flag each other now
 
user3010322
Hue.
 
to death first blood
 
@CatPlusPlus Too late
 
2:27 PM
hm
you could in theory write a script that deletes your messages on first flag
that should pose a powerful suspense-shield
I guess I shouldn't give ideas to help vampires
 
I don't think you can delete your message after it gets flagged
otoh chat is Very Well Coded(tm) so maybe you can
 
we could try
ah well you can't flag even in sandbox
 
I have implied SO community managers should become man whores to rich old fat women to boost Stackoverflow's income many times, I have never been suspended because of it ...
 
we have to wait until someone gets flagged and then ask him
 
2:30 PM
@CatPlusPlus Makes sense to be able to
Removing the message is more important than banning people. You ban people when they refuse to remove the message.
 
Everyone saw the message
Removing it is not very relevant
 
No, not "everyone"
The three or four people who were reading that screen at that time, maybe
You always seem to forget that this is a public chat and transcripts are published
 
It's even less relevant after it falls outside of the screen
 
oh we're finally moving to VS 2013
 
No, it's entirely relevant.
Chat transcripts are indexed by Google
 
2:32 PM
Who cares
 
...
Don't be a moron.
Someone who's being libellously attacked would care. A parent might care.
etc
 
user3010322
Parent...
 
CYBER BULLYING
 
user3010322
2:33 PM
I just kind of forgot those existed.
 
user3010322
Hah.
 
@ThePhD hey @ThePhD you're getting cyber bullied
 
SQL is literally not working
 
how do you feel
 
Oo noz ... 'man whores to rich old women' will now be associated with 'SO community managers' after the next google indexing if it's not already!
 
2:34 PM
@TonyTheLion that's... some strong words
 
Parents are literally hitler
 
like, both of them?
 
hitler is literally himself
 
Woo I have recovery codes for Origin
What a piece of shit, still no mail
Good security measure
 
there's BF3 for free BTW
 
2:36 PM
Fuck BF3, there's Plants vs Zombies
 
the downside is that you would have to play BF3
@CatPlusPlus meh, iPad version is much more pleasant than the PC one
 
Of course it doesn't work
 
we've discovered recently that multitouch is a great feature for one-device multiplayer
 
Because it's Origin and 10 users is already over capacity
Oh hey, I have it on Steam :v
 
@CatPlusPlus #FWP
 
2:38 PM
Still, it'd be nice if Origin's account security worked
Like sent the fucking codes
 
to the warheads
try 000000000
 
> HANG ON, THAT DIDN'T WORK
 
@BartekBanachewicz Denmark.
 
sbi
Hi.
When I was young, C++ used to have default initialization and non-default initialization. As everything else, initializations have proliferated, though, and now there's more to this. So what's the correct terms re the following kinds of initialization?
int foo;
std::string bar;

struct x {
  int i;
  std::string s;
};

x foobar;
x baz = x();
 
2:41 PM
int foo;, std::string bar; and x foobar; are still default initialization.
 
foo is initialized but has indeterminate value
 
user3010322
defalt-initialization and default-construction.
 
x baz = x(); is copy-initialization, I'm pretty sure.
 
I've heard 'yes' and 'nooooooooooooo'
 
sbi
I thought there's different names for zero-initialization?
 
2:42 PM
Sometimes I think I like to play with fire ... the last caving trip I went, I kept on thinking: "this isn't rough enough, not even their adventure caving ones. I am not frightened enough, I don't get to go down thinking 'what's down beneath, will I be suffocated because lacking of oxygen, there was no adrenaline pumping because there might be some danger lurking in the surrounding darkness'" ... in other words: there was no fun!
 
@DeadMG more like move-initialization :P
 
sure, but your sample didn't actually show the scope in which they're allocated
 
@sbi what's "zero initialization"?
 
so I actually don't know if they're zero-initialized or not.
@BartekBanachewicz It's still termed copy-initialization (even though it's actually gonna be a move)
 
sbi
2:43 PM
@DeadMG Yeah, it is. I am referring to the x() part, though. It zeros i within the x, whereas in foobar i has an indeterminate value.
 
wait what
 
sbi
@BartekBanachewicz Probably my own term for when things are zeroed.
 
> The effects of zero initialization are:
If T is an non-union class type, all base classes and non-static data members are zero-initialized, and all padding is initialized to zero bits. The constructors, if any, are ignored.
aaand
> [is performed] As part of value-initialization sequence for non-class types and for members of value-initialized class types that have no constructors.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus That doesn't even mention default-initialization.
@BartekBanachewicz Which version of C++ is this about? There's differences.
 
user3010322
2:47 PM
default-nitialization for PoD is do-nothing.
 
x bar = x() is a special syntax for zero-initialization, since the obvious syntax doesn't work
 
sbi
@ThePhD I knew that much. :-/
 
It is explicitly said so in the standard
 
what
why is kbok called @Mr.kbok now
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz Because respect, yo.
 
2:48 PM
@sbi It's a 98 to 03 change, so you don't really need to think too much about it.
value-initialization is the x() thing.
 
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sbi
Ok, so according to this, the terms are default- vs. value- initialization.
 
user3010322
@sbi So if you don't write a constructor and do foobar f, all of the internal members get default-initialized (which, for i, is intermediate).
 
zero-initialization is what happens to globals.
default-initialization is what happens when you're just like x y;
 
@Mr.kbok that's copy-initialization from a value-initialized prvalue temporary.
 
sbi
2:49 PM
@DeadMG Ah, indeed. (However that means I _need: to really think about it, because then I will have to teach this.)
 
@ecatmur No it's not. As I said, it's a special syntax.
 
sure
 
sbi
Don't get me wrong, I know how a (member) variable is initialized when I see the code. I just need the correct terms and when they apply.
 
well I'm pretty sure that in 98, value-initialization did not value-initialize each member, or something.
and then they changed it in 03.
 
@Mr.kbok where's that specified?
 
sbi
2:51 PM
@DeadMG According to Michael, C++98 didn't know value-initialization.
 
@sbi Yes it does
 
@ecatmur Let me look
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus I see. It links to it.
 
It's a wiki, linking to things is kinda its gimmick
 
2:52 PM
@sbi I know that they changed something about it and the essence of that change is that the members used to be default-initialized and then they changed to be value-initialized, but I don't know what the 98 terminology is. I don't believe anybody uses a 98 compiler anymore, even you have 03, so
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus How cute a cat you are. Adorable.
 
@Mr.kbok lol
 
sbi
@DeadMG I am to teach Embedded C++. Anything is possible there, even a pre-98 C++ compiler.
 
Wasn't EC++ p much a different language
 
TurboC++ compilers as well :3
 
2:54 PM
@sbi You'll probably have to grab a copy of the 98 Standard, then
 
Woo compression ratio over 1
 
sbi
@DeadMG Nope, I won't. I don't need to know every nook and cranny of every version of C++. I just need to have a general idea and be able to dig things up when needed. Having lived through all this history, I certainly have a general idea of what happened, and why. Since I am not keen on reading The Holy Book, I am somewhat short on exact terms, though.
 
this photo is sexy
I'd assemble that.
 
looks like an engine
that's as far as I go
 
It also looks overhauled
 

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