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12:00 PM
@FredOverflow you mean, like refreshing the @StackExchangeStatus twitter feed every few minutes?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Is that a cover of Hips Don't Lie?
 
@DeadMG Daisy has her own key to the house?
 
no
 
@DeadMG D. looks sorta pissed off. Is it the SO outage?
 
12:01 PM
heh
 
@MartinJames Tired. She just got back from her walkies when this one was taken.
 
ok it's five hours
 
I wanted one with her eyes open looking at the camera but she simply couldn't keep them open.
 
@DeadMG :)
 
i'm not gonna be able to mount these blinds flush to the top of the window cavity because my drill is too thick hmmm
 
12:03 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Btw, just to confirm, initializer-lists to construct containers of move only types is totally illegal, right?
 
@DeadMG Yeah.
 
@DeadMG hmm is it?
 
Damn SO is weird.
 
what's under her chin?!
Is she a battery operated pet doll?
 
12:04 PM
@StackedCrooked why
 
initializer_list<T>::begin() returns T const*.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah.
@sehe It's a bark collar.
 
We are in the process of moving operations back to New York.
 
@Jefffrey if I were a troll, all the more reason for not DDos attacking SO - it's like I was a magpie depending on the human handout for food & I purposely attacked the human who hand out the food ...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit read-only mode confused me for a sec
 
12:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ok?
 
basically, Daisy can bark for hours and hours continuously, and it's super annoying, especially when it happens in like the middle of the night/early morning.
 
@chmod711telkitty or, put more simply, DDoSing SO is self-defeating for a troll
 
the bark collar is a simple device that sprays a smell dogs can't stand (citrus) when she barks.
 
Wow! It seems that hotel accommodation in Berlin is very expensive for what you get. Anyone got any tips on sleeping rough?
 
oh shit i still need to book things don't i
 
12:05 PM
try a hostel
 
@MartinJames ?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Maybe.
 
I sense impressive pedagogical skill
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit for once I agree with you :p
 
@MartinJames Looks good. Fully featured hotel. Very green.
 
12:06 PM
@chmod711telkitty Trolls are not rational.
 
@Jefffrey I am
 
@Jefffrey we are super-rational ... which means you may or may not understand our reasons
 
@MartinJames That's like totally the wrong street.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I'm hoping mapping/GPS errors, else I may smell a bit ripe after a couple days:)
 
You'll smell more like Fartin' James
 
12:11 PM
lollerskates
 
^_^
@DarkCisum It sounds like you had some bad DNS caching happening, but yes it should be coming online for you any moment if not already
 
Street View near A'platz seems a bit patchy.
 
FWIW the DNS change hasn't propagated for me yet.
TTL on the domain seems to be about five minutes so should be any moment now
 
what the fuck.
why would declaring a vector<unique_ptr<T>> call insert(iterator, const T&)?
 
it wouldn't
obviously
 
12:17 PM
    template<typename... Args> std::vector<std::unique_ptr<Expression>> Expressions(Args&&... args) {
        using swallow = int[];
        std::vector<std::unique_ptr<Expression>> ret;
        swallow{ 0, (ret.push_back(std::forward<Args>(args)), void(), 0)... };
        return std::move(ret);
    }
is this the correct application of swallow()?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Turns out that VS simply can't list the correct error locations.
 
@DeadMG Seems good.
 
I think that what I've been describing as a unique_ptr bug is actually VS just mis-reporting the error location.
 
Might need cast to void of the whole thing to shut up warnings.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, I got a super-odd warning C4789: buffer '' of size 4 bytes will be overrun; 4 bytes will be written starting at offset 4
 
12:19 PM
and then again at offset 4 (??) and offset 8.
just replaced it with swallow x = ... and that shut the warning up.
bah, turns out I used {} everywhere, since the compiler doesn't obviously error on it.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG No, VARIADIC_EXPAND plx :P
 
... IME using {} is the fastest ticket to ICE or bad codegen in MSVC
 
afternoon
 
seems like you can add bad error reporting to the list.
MSVC seems to error pretty much anywhere in the same file.
great, from "bad error reporting" to ICE.
 
progress
 
12:30 PM
I also encountered quite a few compiler bugs with NSDMIs, especially when in local types.
 
@DeadMG figures
@nickscode That's the Oregon address for Stack Overflow and most sites
> and most sites
ITT most sites [on the web] are served from the same IP \o/
 
it's clearly most sites [on Stack Exchange]
 
@DeadMG Wasn't explicit, therefore it must be interpreted as the least specific possible meaning. All sites on the Internet.
 
@EricFinn you have never seen overload resolution rules for C# clearly
 
12:39 PM
OR for C# is NP-Complete.
 
> for each argument, the implicit conversion from AX to PX is not worse than the implicit conversion from AX to QX
Okay. Now where is "worse" defined?
 
> We live in an era in which an average cell phone is already recognizably smarter than many owners.
 
Xeo
@EricFinn C++ has a table for different conversion types and their ranking
 
Oh, nevermind, found it
 
SO is back
2 hours ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
It's at the top of the starboard, even
 
12:45 PM
Finally I can fucking log in
 
SO out on Friday... not A Good Thing™
 
Chat is up, I can see it's r/w but login? NOPE GOTTA GO THROUGH READONLY SITE
 
Is chat just hosted on a totally different set of servers?
 
@Avery chat was out too
 
okeydokey
up to four TUs ICEing
 
12:49 PM
Told you we should've had power delivered via FedEx.
dat pun
 
Hmm.. I was thinking about a UPS for my office, but if the mains is more reliable than the UPS, it causes more problems than it solves.
 
Get a mini-fridge instead.
 
Why does BT LE scan require root privileges idgi
 
have we talked about Roy language here already?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ahhh.. I forgot about the beer fridge. I'll get a generator in case of prolonged power outages.
 
12:53 PM
Speaking of languages, have you seen that post about Elm debugger?
 
@CatPlusPlus of course
I was wondering if I will be able to do a similar thing in my VSL
 
Main site is up!
Got my first downvote in.
 
I actually got a message from Bloomberg through Careers last night
 
No but seriously why does scanning for Bluetooth LE devices require root :psyduck:
 
12:55 PM
couldn't log in to Careers to read it
 
my codegenerator works
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Everybody gets messages from Bloomberg
(Except for me)
 
btw while we're at codegen
 
well unlike you, I just came on the market
 
Roy does it nicely
var v = function () {
            var __monad__ = deferred;
            return __monad__.bind($.ajax('examples/helloworld.roy'), function (hello) {
                return __monad__.bind($.ajax('examples/alias.roy'), function (alias) {
                    return __monad__.return(hello + alias);
                });
            });
        }();
 
Xeo
12:56 PM
 
user1804599
Yes, very nice code.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Most of the world doesn't know I'm actually employed right now.
 
user1804599
Need more backcall notation.
 
Xeo
I haven't bothered updating anything
 
@rightfold hm?
 
12:58 PM
Ooh - this is fun, up to four closevotes already.
 
@Xeo So annoying.
@DeadMG Never stopped them.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz What he's saying is that it looks horrible
 
user1804599
Oh, it's generated code.
 
@Xeo well it's generated js
 
user1804599
I didn't say anything.
 
1:00 PM
:P
 
true.
but I'm not going to blame a company for aggressive recruitment practices when I wouldn't mind being aggressively recruited right now.
1>c:\code\wide\wide\semantic\type.cpp(75): warning C4800: 'Wide::Semantic::Callable *' : forcing value to bool 'true' or 'false' (performance warning)
srsly, you warn about this but not self-assignment or uninitialized members or wrong member order?
 
It's a joke.
I no longer say that MSVC sucks. It's merely a joke.
It's built to mock you.
 
@DeadMG ~purrformance~
 
I don't understand the warning.
 
@Rapptz That's ok, because it's only a joke.
It's not serious.
 
1:06 PM
Robot's mind broke
 
The joke is that MS actually charges money for it.
 
Compiler is free
 
Ah, true.
It almost wasn't
But then the world complained.
 
typical
this ICE was fixed two months ago.
 
user3010322
@ScarletAmaranth :( You're so mean. :c
 
1:09 PM
check your privilege
 
@ThePhD :)
 
user3010322
The only reason it looks weird is because I can't properly define anti-aliasing for something like a texturing color!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ☑ My Privilege
3
Done
 
the shadow and lighting looks weird too
 
user3010322
( e.g. the grid is not a texture, it's an algorithm that generates a grid based on position )
 
1:11 PM
and the grey squares...
actually the whole image looks weird
:v
 
Today will be the only day Jon Skeet does not reach the reputation cap.
 
user3010322
u.u;
 
✔  ☑  ✅
whoa
 
@Jefffrey Pretty sure he gets that just from background radiation.
 
hmm
if I have a type T, is it possible to have both T(arg1, arg2) and { arg1, arg2 } syntax for the same T?
or do I lose { arg1, arg2 } if I put in an appropriate constructor for the first?
 
user1804599
1:12 PM
@Xeo Since you seem to like that kind of humour. hornoxe.com/wp-content/picdumps/picdump363/picdump363_042.jpg
 
user3010322
Get jacked!
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Hit him with a cane!
 
I'll have to add few more Fs.
 
user3010322
Je Free For Frun Frey
 
Xeo
1:14 PM
@DeadMG If the ctor is not explicit, you can do both
 
it's two parameters so explicit or not doesn't mean much here
 
Xeo
yes it does, for braced-list-init
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes heh background radiation
yeah he does
 
ah.
 
1:16 PM
well, thanks to some other user's bug report, it does indeed seem that { } init causes the ICE in some situations, so I can just change those to explicit T(arg1, arg2)
 
But how can people vote if SO is read only?
 
@Jefffrey They can't, and they don't need to.
 
I don't believe it's read-only anymore.
 
Primarily because it hasn't been read-only for like an hour
 
yeah
 
1:18 PM
Still readonly for me.
 
ok half an hour
33 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
SO is back
@Jefffrey sucker
Also, the day started before the outage so consider that too. There were a good eight hours of voting opportunity for people.
 
Just went back online.
 
You'll never beat Jon Skeet Jeffrey. :v
 
@Jefffrey Reload.
 
Just give up all hope.
 
1:19 PM
who is Jon Skeet Jeffrey?
 
he he
I'm so close.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit too lazy
 
gawd
compile succeeded?!
what is this "succeeded"?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit He mentioned that he wakes up at around 6:00 and often has already rep-capped.
 
1:20 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not a surprise. His tag is .
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol
 
I think it's the 29,116 answers he has, not the tag they're in.
 
that's like...
 
he basically already won SO
 
1:21 PM
@Rapptz No but I mean it's the tag he's in that led to 29,116 answers being produced
Let's face it, he's a repwhore in one of the most active solve-it-for-me tags there is
 
I guess.
Btw, which tag is worse? Android or PHP?
 
A bit like those 150k PHP/JavaScript users who are actually not that good at SO, but answer every little typo question going and get 9 upvotes a pop
 
PHP
I've implemented foldl1
 
Except his answers are presumably of some real quality
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 'Fuly loaded with excess baggage'?
 
1:23 PM
fuck you
unordered_map<K, V>::at(K) does not require default-constructing V.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 'Typical latency two hours'.
 
In the PHP tag there are 7/50 newest questions with >=1 score. In the Android tag there are 6/50.
I guess they're both equally bad.
 
I don't mind the airport here being renamed if the sponsor pays for all the airport tax
 
@MartinJames :D
@chmod711telkitty good luck with that
 
@Rapptz remember that they also give upvotes for nothing
 
1:25 PM
in fact they force you to buy a new phone as you go through duty free
@Rapptz Yikes. In a world where you commonly get at least one upvote just for posting, that's pretty bad
 
My friend is going on an european trip - she paid $90 for the return tickets from here (and used her frequent flyer points for the rest $1000+)
 
There's a cat asleep on top of the lawn mower engine - I guess there's some residual heat. Unfortunately, it's manual start, no remote-control fob:(
 
Linux Bluetooth stack is Documented Good
 
okey so code generation isn't as easy as i thought
 
1:34 PM
@DeadMG that's what operator[] is for!
 
@rubenvb Yeah but I carefully went through this TU and removed all calls to it.
 
@DeadMG Good for you!
 
then why is VS still bitching about it :(
 
Because it's a joke!
 
See, ruben gets it.
 
user1804599
1:41 PM
0
Q: What happen to stack overflow today?

MONTYHSWhat happen to stack overflow today (before 1 hour Back) ?? "This site is currently in read-only mode; we’ll return with full functionality as soon as " what is the actual problem, why its read-only lock is used in App?? Is there any status page to check the Stack Overflow App status , just li...

 
user1804599
lol
 
> We're sorry, we couldn't find the page you requested.
 
output_1 = process_1(input_1);
input_2 = output_1[0];
output_2 = process_2(input_2);
input_3 = output_2[0];
output_3 = process_3(input_3);
input_4 = output_3[0];
output_4 = process_4(input_4);
hm
it might even work
oh fuck wait input indices
 
Apparently your question is UPSetting people. — Wooble 43 mins ago
 
hm I think I know how to create cycle detection
 
1:49 PM
Warm sunny day here. Decisions, decisions. Jurassic app, unicode shit or Vernon Arms? Life is so difficult..
 
I'll create a dependency order list
 
Xeo
@MartinJames How about sleep?
 
for each object added I'll add the objects it depends on in front of it
 
@Xeo On a sunny day, that is an undefined reference.
 
if I'll be trying to add an object that's already to the right it means I have a cycle and throw up
 
1:50 PM
@rubenvb yeah first time I read that stackstatus entry I was like "what's with the OOPS!?"
 
the only remaining problem is reordering of the objects :/
 
After some due consideration, I've decided to include beer.h
 
into gut.cpp?
 
Xeo
No, into bin.cpp
 
1:52 PM
@Xeo Only indirectly.
 
> Being a value semantic language, C++ passes all parameters by value. So when I pass pointer to an object, the object is passed by reference, but the pointer itself is passed by value (although I believe the object is not passed at all, only the pointer is, and we access the object inside the function by reference. I think this idea also conform to value semantics, since if I thinks like this, value semantics becomes more meaningful, Nothing is passed except value).
 
except references...
 
huh, I forgot that I ever had a MySpace.
that's so many years ago now
surprised that website even still exists
 

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