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6:01 PM
@rightfold you should try out that rainbow paren package, and see if it's similar to what you had in VIM. It looks like it to me
Used it a little bit before and I think I'll keep it after some modification
 
user1804599
I just installed that. :P
 
okay
i can play the whole Strangers Friends Lovers Strangers
 
user1804599
@MortenKristensen github.com/rightfold/emacs :P
 
Nice :P do you want to see mine?
 
Damnit Mathematica, y u no lazy range :(
 
user1804599
6:10 PM
@MortenKristensen Ok, why not.
 
@MickLH Actually, I was getting my youngest son a bottle of milk.
 
Oh ok, welcome back then
Please don't be combative
 
user1804599
@MortenKristensen All in one file. :V
 
user1804599
6:11 PM
But looks cool.
 
Yeah, it has sort of evolved through the years :P
 
@MickLH @JerryCoffin is combative?
 
@MickLH Thanks. So very kind of you.
 
@StackedCrooked Our discussion wasn't pleasnt earlier, I'd like to never waste either of our time on unpleasnt discussions with no benefit
 
6:13 PM
@rightfold so will you give it a real go then?
 
@MickLH Very good.
 
user1804599
Ja.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit he was going for "peasant"
 
6:14 PM
I took the apostrophe out what more do you want ;)
 
mein Gott
 
@JerryCoffin I believe that our misunderstanding has arisen because I try to keep most of my knowledge hidden unless it's asked for, even when the topic is impressive and worth bragging about.
 
@MickLH how noble!
 
Sorry for not offering up more information about bandlimited waveforms, but so far we have not disagreed on any technical point
So I still can't understand why you call me ignorant
 
6:15 PM
@ScarletAmaranth He's such an example for all of us.
 
inb4 downvotes T_T i should learn c++14 features
 
@StackedCrooked we finally have someone to aspire to
 
As to the original question: given that he's starting from (apparently) 16b/44.1 KHz samples, there seem to be a few possibilities. If he's going to do much processing, he just about needs to up-sample beforehand. I think we can agree that's nearly a given. For the sake of argument, let's assume he's going to process at 24b/96 KHz. When it comes to playing that back, he has two choices: convert that directly to analog, or downsample it, then convert to analog.
 
user784668
Huh, what.
 
user784668
Why does GCC think that it should generate movaps when I call _mm_load_si128.
 
6:17 PM
@rightfold that "Ja." was for me, right? As in the Danish "yes" :P
 
user1804599
Yes.
 
Alrighty ;)
 
Jaja.
 
6:18 PM
Those being the choices, it seems likely to me that converting directly from 24/96 to analog is going to be simpler than downsampling to 16/44.1, then converting that to analog. 44.1 KHz made a lot of sense in ~1980 when they were inventing CD, but it really doesn't today. Analog filters haven't gotten a lot easier, but digital processing has.
 
jaj.... what am I doing with my life
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@rightfold so tell me when you realise that Emacs is the only one true editor for you ;D
 
@Borgleader I can't see the need for either emplace_back or variadic arguments
 
@JerryCoffin omg Jerry you... ignoble individual! flaunting your knowledge like this, shame on you!
 
@ScarletAmaranth "Ignoble", I really liked that one ;)
 
6:20 PM
@MortenKristensen man
 
@Jefffrey I know :(
 
is there's something you don't like?
 
@Jefffrey hmm I don't like olives?
 
that's something
 
i know this is not the room for talking about web design...but i was wondering if someone could point me to a good responsive web design software.
 
6:21 PM
Nope.
 
@Japa oh man
 
@ScarletAmaranth I think you left out "vile" and probably something about "base libel" as well.
 
@Japa you definitely picked the worst room for that
 
i´m sorry
:(
 
don't be
just go to the PHP room or HTML room
 
6:22 PM
It's actually hilarious in it's own right :D
 
i just thought someone could know
 

HTML / CSS / WebDesign

This room is now defunct. RIP.
 
i went there but no one answered
and theres so many options in the net ... i´m lost
 
@Jefffrey Just wait and see - at some point there will be something I don't like. Just you wait!
 
6:23 PM
but thanks guys anyway..
 
@Japa It's been five whole minutes since you asked.
 
@Jefffrey Eh my answer is wrong anyway.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes i know
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Five minutes can be an eternity to some people.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "martinho fernandes"? es português ou brasileiro?
 
6:25 PM
lol, he is a robot
 
getting personal :D
 
he doesn't have nationality
 
lololol
 
in HTML / CSS / WebDesign, 1 min ago, by Japa
@GeloVolro do you know a good responsive web design creator?
 
Spanish and Portuguese are way too similar.
 
6:26 PM
@Japa, pinging random people will not make your answer come faster
despite what you might think
 
spanish and portuguese are not the same!
 
it will only annoy people and drive them away from you
 
those royal republic songs are nice to play
 
ok jeffrey
 
6:26 PM
@Japa I'm curious: why do you ask for web design software? Just learn to code it properly yourself? End of story.
 
don't have time
 
@Borgleader you deleted your answer?
 
just need to drag and drop kind of thing
 
@Japa Okay, then I officially have no time for you either.
 
@MortenKristensen wow!!!!
 
6:28 PM
@Rapptz It was wrong =/
 
when i said don´t have time...i was not for you man
 
was it?
 
Haha.. This is fun :D
 
it looked okay
o.o
 
@Rapptz I had the trailing -> decltype(...) which you don't need.
He specifically asked for C++14
 
6:29 PM
sure but it's not wrong :P
at least...
 
ok i´m gonna go know...thanks for you help.
 
I don't think so.
 
@Japa I'm just messing with you. But seriously, you should learn to code it yourself and not use programs to create stuff for you. It's much better in the long run.
 
@Rapptz Meh yours was better.
silly C programmers with their strol and strtok ffs
 
@MortenKristensen yeah!, you are right...the problem is my moment right now...because i definitely want to learn...and need to learn!.
 
6:30 PM
strtok_g()!!! USE THE SAFE ONE xD xD
 
bye bye
 
So long
 
@ScarletAmaranth It should be "Switch to a typesafe language or face the consequences of your bad choices." :P
 
@Borgleader yeah I really like how they have "safe" alternatives of functions that still have void* in their signatures xD
 
@Borgleader you can pipe echo to ./a.out to emulate a keyboard on coliru
 
6:33 PM
@Darklighter :O I did not know
 
btw hi all
 
Hi @Darklighter
Is a darklighter a device that lights in the dark or lights with darkness?
 
@MortenKristensen it can be interpreted in various ways
 
@Darklighter most certainly :) and hello to you
 
im not sure which interpretation i like the most, so i wont stick to one
 
6:38 PM
I find it intriguing if you shine darkness with your lighter because it's countering basic physics.
 
Eigengrau (German: "intrinsic gray" / literally: "own grey"), also called Eigenlicht ("intrinsic light"), dark light, or brain gray, is a term for the uniform dark gray background that many people report seeing in the absence of light. The term dates back to the nineteenth century, but has rarely been used in recent scientific publications. Nowadays the phenomenon is more commonly referred to as "visual noise" or "background adaptation". Eigengrau is perceived as lighter than a black object in normal lighting conditions, because contrast is more important to the visual system than absolu...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That was an interesting read. Thanks
 
user3010322
Robot, spittin' fat knowledge stacks.
 
phat knowledge
 
@Darklighter Whats the "syntax" for that =/ If there was a prize for sucking with command line, I would have it.
 
6:43 PM
@Borgleader echo "whatever" | ./a.out
 
That's the ticket
 
user1804599
Coool.
 
user1804599
ParEdit.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks /cc @Darklighter my answer is now much improved :)
 
6:45 PM
what should I do to make cmake to not run my doxygen target when its input files are not changed?
 
That made me laugh hysterically!
 
@StackedCrooked Spin like a top?
 
one throws the ball and the other one tries to hit it
how moronic
 
are those humans? ^
 
6:47 PM
You're cracking me up here
 
@StackedCrooked i find the effects of gravity quite amusing as well.
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked he thinks it is a buttplug.
 
@Borgleader that looks painful :)
 
@Abyx Seeds.
 
user1804599
Yay, I’m learning a new programming language this weekend after all.
 
6:52 PM
@Borgleader Lol sometimes I do that ! I've added a big screw on each side !
 
sincerely, FUCK YOU CMAKE.
10
 
@Abyx I just typically have a -doc target that I call manually
 
@MortenKristensen I don't want to call it manually
 
so you have it depend on other targets and it recreates the doc every time it is called even though the source has not changed?
 
@JerryCoffin I was referring to the fact that he specifically quoted the sentence that said "all operators in the same category have equal precedence" and somehow came to the conclusion that because one was listed before the other in the same category it had higher precedence.
 
6:55 PM
all those automation things were invented to not to do things manually
but in the end it's just self-fucking (auto mating), not automating.
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@MortenKristensen I want it to depend on files. it should run when input file change and don't run when it didn't change
 
@Abyx so right now you have it depend on the target that compiles your code?
 
@MortenKristensen nope, it's
    add_custom_target(docs
        COMMENT Genegating API documentation
        SOURCES Doxyfile main.md
    )

    add_custom_command(TARGET docs POST_BUILD
        COMMAND ${DOXYGEN_EXECUTABLE} ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/Doxyfile
        WORKING_DIRECTORY ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}
        DEPENDS Doxyfile main.md
    )
 
how did CMake manage to be so disgusting syntax wise?
it's almost worse than Perl
 
yep it's ugly.
please give me another build system
 
guys
has anyone of you ever used this?
 
7:02 PM
Well that looks alright to me, @Abyx - hm
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes Litb
 
@BartekBanachewicz you have a dick for it
@MortenKristensen hm... I think that post_build command just can't check dependencies
and actually it's not cmake but ninja or msbuild who will check if files were changes
 
@Abyx Yeah that's right, I think. Maybe you can tweak doxygen so that it won't generate if the source has not changed. But then it'd need to run anyway so that's not a solution.
 
@Borgleader Yeah, and on that about the only way I can see misunderstanding happening would be if the reader barely knew English, so they could follow the table, but (barely) read the accompanying text at all.
 
@JerryCoffin Which later turned out to be the case
Its in the page. I did not quote it myself — Rajeshwar 13 hours ago
 
user1804599
7:16 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I just touch the power supply of my MacBook.
 
user1804599
@Rapptz Perl’s syntax is very nice. :v
 
Perl's everything is crap
 
user1804599
:(
 
@rightfold it's supposed to be used outside
@MortenKristensen i agree
 
user1804599
Wear gloves.
 
7:21 PM
Gloves are nice
 
user1804599
@MortenKristensen It it possible to open a file in Emacs like in Sublime Text 2, i.e. hit a shortcut and type part of the filename?
 
yeah you can do that using regex :) let me see
 
user1804599
C-c C-t in clojure-test-mode is awesome.
 
@rightfold ah yeah not using regex per say but when you write the filename at the bottom it will do it intelligently
 
user1804599
Yes, that would be cool.
 
7:25 PM
Yeah it has a lot of nice modes
 
@MortenKristensen FWIW, s/per say/*per se*/
 
Thanks @JerryCoffin, I'll remember that
 
@MortenKristensen No problem.
 
done
 
7:36 PM
done
 
user1804599
7:53 PM
CIDER is great.
 
I just made cider donuts ._.
 
I want cider and donuts!
@rightfold are you talking about Clojure IDE and REPL for Emacs?
 
user1804599
Yes. :v
 
user1804599
 
user3010322
What's REPL?
 
8:00 PM
That's cool, @rightfold - haven't tried cider yet :)
 
user1804599
A read–eval–print loop (REPL) is a simple, interactive computer programming environment. The term is most usually used to refer to a Lisp interactive environment, but can be applied to command line shells and similar environments for programming languages (see examples section, below). Synonyms include interactive toplevel and language shell. In a REPL, the user enters one or more expressions (rather than an entire compilation unit), which are then evaluated, and the results displayed. The name read–eval–print loop comes from the names of the Lisp primitive functions which implement thi...
 
user3010322
Ooh.
 
user1804599
Having ParEdit in REPL is nice.
 
@rightfold s/glo/wol/
 
user1804599
Oh, this is sick.
 
user1804599
8:07 PM
It shows the signature of what is under the cursor.
 
user1804599
 
Having an identity crisis, @Crow?
 
@sehe yes ;_;
I wanted to be slightly less of an edgy teenager today
 
That is sweet, @rightfold ;)
 
8:09 PM
The gooddocteur is trying to pull a Vlad on us: stackoverflow.com/a/22132530/85371
 
@rightfold That's a trivial quickinfo thing that other IDEs have been doing for years you know
 
Relevance? He's noting his new "IDE" has the feature
 
user1804599
It’s not very trivial because you have to analyse the code.
 
Yawn
 
@rightfold Which is trivial given a decent compiler-as-a-library.
Wide could probably do it.
 
user1804599
8:12 PM
Gonna install Emacs at work tomorrow.
 
user1804599
NO MORE LACK OF RAINBOW PARENTHESES.
 
Good that you can choose to do that - I am using it there as well
 
@DeadMG TROLOLOLOL. We'll speak once you have actual code in Wide. And you find out your compiler-as-a-library likes very much to die in fiery combustion when your input is not a wellformed program
I smell much religion in this thread
 
compiler-as-library already exists
so I don't get what you're saying
 
@Rapptz what, me or sehe?
 
8:16 PM
sehe
 
? He's specifically talking about Wide. And I mentioned exactly what I think was oversimplified
 
well, I'm merely pointing out that what he's considering as "sick" I'd consider to be a rather basic feature of every IDE I've ever used.
 
@MortenKristensen It's not inherently good if people install Emacs at work (I have it). And there's some real poison is in the implication that somehow, "the work place" would be policed by anti-Emacs nazis. This is never the case.
 
as for Wide itself, well, we'll see, but I didn't have too much trouble adapting the library for some (even more) basic IDE features.
 
@DeadMG It's "sick" because it was unexpected. Remember, Emacs is first-and-foremost an editor. So if an editor-mode behaves more IDE-like that counts like "sick"
 
8:18 PM
@sehe I was saying that because I have noticed places where you are not allowed to choose your own editor and thus I think it is simply a good thing that he can choose to do this.
 
@rightfold dem old style icons
 
@sehe and it is also not about Emacs in particular
 
Qt sucks so much
 
I don't think it does
 
@MortenKristensen Really? I've never had a problem. Even running with ViEmu inside visual studio. On my own license. And I often even preferred to work on Linux, even when the supported platforms were Win32/Win64/AIX32/AIX64...
@MortenKristensen I get that ^
 
user1804599
8:20 PM
@sehe s/editor/OS/g
 
@MortenKristensen I know you don't. I'm just messing with ya
 
@Jefffrey Where? I think that it's popular largely for the reason that it fails to suck in many areas where it could
@rightfold ...
6 mins ago, by sehe
I smell much religion in this thread
 
user1804599
@sehe …
 
That was the oldest cliché you could have found




 
user1804599
Ellipsis()
 
8:21 PM
@sehe Yes, really. But luckily it is often the case that you have your own freedom to choose your tools as long as you can get the tasks done in the fashion that is required. Now you start talking about OSes..
 
⋮ not bad
 
user1804599
@MortenKristensen what do you use for code completion?
 
user1804599
I want to complete from words that are in the buffer.
 
@Jefffrey haha :P at least I didn't use the word "like" in there
 
see? :P
 
user1804599
8:22 PM
Like control+P in Vim.
 
@MortenKristensen As a developer I've never felt limited. And I've experienced appreciation. I am usually the go-to guy in case anything needed to be automated.
 
@rightfold I'm one of those old school fags that doesn't like code completion. I tend to want to know/understand the API better. However, you can do word completions of the things you have open in your current buffers. Use M-/ :)
 
@rightfold I love that too. VsVim has it in VS :)
 
user1804599
@MortenKristensen I know the API but I just don’t like to type when I don’t have to.
 
@sehe I'm also the go-to guy where I work
 
8:24 PM
So, that buys you the liberty. Win - win
 
user1804599
All I need is a shortcut that looks at the current word and finds other words in the same buffer that match and lets me choose one of them.
 
@rightfold Then try M-/
yeah
 
user1804599
Nice. :3
 
I guess I'm yet too immature to appreciate editors like vim or emacs
 
@sehe definitely it does :)
@Jefffrey what do you use?
 
8:25 PM
I feel like they are overcomplicated
 
user1804599
> Do you really want to unleash the powers of the butterfly? (yes or no)
 
user1804599
> Successfully flipped one bit!
 
@rightfold do this: (fset 'yes-or-no-p 'y-or-n-p)
then you only need to write "y" and "n" :P heh
 
user1804599
Cool. :P
 
@MortenKristensen well I've used macvim for a big chunk of time, then Qt creator when I needed to make a Qt project, and then just jumped from macvim to sublime text 3 and forth
 
8:26 PM
@Jefffrey I recently switched pretty much all of my work to Vim; I also think it's overly complicated, but that's because it's so unwelcoming
 
user1804599
Also, TIL I can use option instead of escape. :v
 
@Jefffrey Then, perhaps you're just not that kind-a guy... I must admit I'm biased and tend to question "Real-Programmer-ness" right there, but I've seen some competent programmers doing without a proper editor
 
user1804599
Saves a lot of energy.
 
user1804599
LOL.
 
what switching helped me with:
 
8:27 PM
@Jefffrey Really? Well we all have our vices, I guess. I just use Emacs for everything :P
 
user1804599
Emacs now completes “p” as “physics” because that word is in the butterfly buffer.
 
@rightfold Yeah :) if you have trouble you might want to have a look at what I do in my conf:

(if (or (eq window-system 'ns) (eq window-system 'mac))
(progn
;; avoid, e.g., hiding with M-h etc. (Carbon Emacs specific)
;(setq mac-pass-command-to-system nil)

;; Let command be meta and alt be alt.
(setq mac-option-key-is-meta nil)
(setq mac-command-key-is-meta t)
(setq mac-command-modifier 'meta)
(setq mac-option-modifier nil)))
 
sorry ladies, gotta go help a guy with an emergency
see ya later
 
see ya jeffie :)
 
@Jefffrey O. Hopefully nothing life threatening. Cya
 
8:28 PM
1) I managed to actually make a list of all the extra functionality that I need when programming, added the appropriate plugins for this; no need to run a humongous IDE and only use one or two of its features
 
I hope you're not saying you have to use vim or emacs to be a "real programmer"
kinda silly
 
2) Being so empty, Vim forced me to create my own shortcuts; this, in turn, increased my productivity, since everything I created is fit for my style. With IDEs, I was mostly accepting what was already there, because it seemed convenient, while maybe not convenient enough.
and most importantly
 
@Rapptz I'm guesssing that was for me. Well, I hope you can read again, this time with reading comprehension engaged.
@Rapptz Kinda elementary
 
it helped me realize that I was relying on Eclipse's intellisense thingy for all of my Android development; having that taken from me, I found out I actually knew almost nothing about Android development.
I kinda started writing a blog post about this; how modern IDEs are great help for experienced programmers, and how they're dangerous for learners because they cover the holes in their knowledge, and make it seem like the holes were never there in the first place
on the same train of thought, I wonder how many ".net experts" stay experts after turning off intellisense and msdn
 
@sehe Why do you always feel the need to insult someone's reading comprehension?
 
user1804599
8:33 PM
 
@Rapptz do I?
 
Yeah
 
Ok. Good. That wasn't intentional, but I don't mind.
 
user1804599
@Rapptz ST2 is fine too. :)
 
user1804599
8:33 PM
@sehe Racist.
 
user1804599
@sehe Fascist.
 
@Rapptz Sorry but this is kind of funny :)
 
@Rapptz You know. YOU are the one that starts suggestive flaming with "I hope you're not" (well well, loaded much?) / "Kinda silly" (who's insulting here?)
If you had read what I said, there would be no reason for your hope. It was misguided. And no reason for your allegations of some sillyness
@MortenKristensen I like how this one ended up in the search results:
Feb 20 at 22:50, by sehe
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix I totally read that as "apply for erection, you'll like rhinoceros pastey" :)
 
You said:
> I must admit I'm biased and tend to question "Real-Programmer-ness" right there
so there's some personal aspect there
 
Yup. I said that. Congrats.
Did you see the rest?
 
user1804599
8:36 PM
I can’t wait to vote.
 
yes
 
I'm just being honest
 
@sehe :D haha, yeah that was actually pretty weird. Hm
 
@Rapptz I'm pretty sure you'll find yourself having irrational biases. Don't hit me because I realize it
@Rapptz It's called introspection and vulnerability. It's not silly.
@BartekBanachewicz Klostermischung appears to be a kind of pebble/stone mix that got trademarked in 1995 ("monastery mix"). Though the sole reason I looked it up was that it look uncannily like "Clusterfuck"
@Abyx -lboost_system at the end
 
@sehe oh so it should be after main.cpp. thanks.
 
8:49 PM
:)
 
@sehe You went back 2-3 hours in the transcript and found Bartek asking for this by chance? :P
 
@rightfold Didn't you say zsh allows you to just while sleep 2; fortune|cowsay or something similar?
@MortenKristensen Of course. I used to read all of the chat transcript (for at least a year or ~1.5). But I no longer have the time
 
user1804599
@sehe Only with for loops.
 
@sehe that is impressive!
 
user1804599
You can do for x in *; echo "$x".
 
user1804599
8:51 PM
Maybe it works with while loops too. Never tried.
 
@MortenKristensen I'm pretty sure I wasn't alone. But the only other inhabitant of the lounge I know did this on a structural scale has resorted to grepping the transcript for ape and some other keywords (I suspect he has setup an RSS feed for this :)) // [hi, ape, how's life]
Wait. What. You... "never tried" obscure syntactic cornercase A in language X?
I don't even!
 
user1804599
% while true; echo hello
while>
 
user1804599
Nope, doesn’t work.
 
Is the lobster terminally ill? Either that, or in love
 
user1804599
% for f in *; echo "$f"
db
id
test-db
 
8:53 PM
@sehe Still it's pretty impressive to me that someone, such as yourself, goes through the transcript to see if anybody needed additional help with something. :)
 
@MortenKristensen It's probably much more pedestrian. I think I might just scan the transcript to be entertained/informed. And I can't help myself but respond to some things.
I'm known to have responded to messages several years old, serendipitously uncovered
 
@sehe In any case it's damn awesome
haha ;D well that's just silly
 
Editing :)
 
oh, sure, I've done that too
I thought you meant here in the chat
 
I did. I thought "that's just silly" was with regard to your reply showing above my message - this might be a local glitch though: i.imgur.com/3EskT3d.png
 
8:57 PM
It was a local glitch because it appears above in my view
 

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