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4:00 PM
web devs and IE devs are the same thing (in this period of history).
unless you want to invest a lot of effort in supporting a very small proportion of your user base, and then it's your choice.
targetting the other users is a choice devs make, and they don't have to make that choice.
 
web devs care that firefox, safari and opera users all have the same user experience, so no, IE devs certainly are not the same as web devs.
 
retard alert
 
only bad web devs.
unless they're happy with expending the energy to fix the issues.
 
only good web devs I'd say
 
in which case, there's no problem.
 
4:01 PM
@Rapptz inb4 "that's sexist!"
@Nican Ugh people spelling things out. "Hash tag, a, b, c" FUCK YOU YOU FUCKING FUCK
 
and anyway, I'm talking about a period were firefox had like 20% or so and safari had another 15% of share.
in which web devs clearly had to make all browsers work
let's take early 2008 for example
IE is "only" 68%
firefox is 26%
can you blame web devs for making IE and firefox work the same?
 
bit debatable but they could still choose to go IE only.
but by that point I'm pretty sure that Microsoft is re-investing in the compliance of IE.
 
@Jefffrey meh. have fun with your own opportunist definitions
 
lol
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit i read "red alert" im such a trekkie
 
4:05 PM
ok
 
@Borgleader \o/
@Jefffrey So, a completely different period of time, where Microsoft had long since lost their hold over the residential internet revolution (mainly because it had already happened).
You two have gone so far off-topic it's funny
 
IE didn't go for IE-only standard, it just didn't keep up
 
Yes, IE is great.
I have no idea why so many people hate it. It always did the best it could.
 
It always got a ton more flack than it deserved, mostly due to the "uncool" image among people who think they're smarter.
 
Them web devs must be crazy for hating on IE.
 
4:07 PM
However it DID have some awful practices, mostly relating to security.
 
No, security was excellent on IE.
What are you talking about
 
the whole "keep it simple for the poor dumb users" model is just idiotic when exposing your poor dumb users to the wild west of the internet, especially in the late 90s
 
as if there aren't 99999 vulnerabilities in every other piece of software
 
@Jefffrey That must be why there were 50,000 security patches every week
 
Yeah, why do you pick on IE specifically lightness?
IE is just as bad as everything else.
 
4:09 PM
Because the conversation is about IE's impact on the internet and whether it was good or bad.
So, yeah, makes sense to focus on IE.
 
And imposing their own standard was a good choice for everyone.
 
Ell
anyway
 
What "own standard"?
 
Having one dominant browser is clearly the best thing for the internet.
Whatever "the internet" means.
 
...
You've lost it
 
4:10 PM
IE is a Serious Thing To Care About
 
Hey, wouldn't it be great if there were just one dominant manufacturer of food?!
 
He's going for sarcasm hth
 
I honestly don't think he is
Unless you mean me
Then yes, yes, he is
 
lol
 
brb breakfast
 
Ell
4:13 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit wat
it's teatime :P
 
4:25 PM
racist
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You've got no FANS
 
it only costs like ten quid for a case fan
 
what the hell
 
Ell
^how haven't you seen this guy
 
4:29 PM
I dunno something about having a life probably
 
user1804599
coal mine y u a thousand miles away
 
traiiiiins
stoooooone
 
what the fuck is going on right now
btw
i would be THANKFUL if the decent US shows didn't grind to a halt during this arbitrary week
 
Lounge<Factorio>
 
4:36 PM
inb4 something something u disdain us but watch us shows u HYPOCRITE something something
inb4 furb
 
you are beautiful
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit u hypocrite something something
 
getting more and more sick of this Western media campaign of hatred
 
@StackedCrooked Googling reveals it's rubbish that hopefully I'd never have to use.
 
My life is brilliant
my love is pure
I saw an LRiO
 
4:39 PM
@Jefffrey I'm sorry but both "life" and "brilliant" have been trademarked and copyrighted. My clients can now sue you for millions.
 
woah what the FUCK is this?!?!?!
 
of that i'm sure
he smiled me on the subway
 
I'm sorry, but "sue you for millions" is trademarked and copyrighted. I'm going to sue you for billions
 
ITT Jefffrey Blunt
 
@Nick Fuck you King. You are going to copyright this too?
 
4:41 PM
@Jefffrey No need. It's already a patented catchphrase.
 
I saw your face in a crowded room
and I don't know what to do
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It's bullshit.... stuffed inside the dead bulls.
 
cause I'll never be with you
 
fuck Nepalese hindus for that
like, seriously
that's horrific
arseholes
 
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4:43 PM
but it's time to face the truth
I'll be never be with you
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I am a hindu and I know the reasons for that ritual and the significance of sacrifice... It's all bull shit. We can't change religion though. I've seen many good men die in that cause.
 
user1804599
How do you calm down?
 
Breath.
 
user1804599
I'm nervous for unknown reasons.
 
Control your breath and relax your muscles.
Think of some happy place and close your eyes.
Think about every muscle from your neck down and one by one think or relaxing it.
 
4:46 PM
@rightføld Listen to some nice soothing music.
 
what does the doggy bag have to do with breathing?
 
Keep making deep breaths, but not too deep.
In this state there's no time.
Keep your eyes closed.
 
time is everywhere
 
and nowhere
 
prove it
 
4:48 PM
@Puppy To distract you and help him notice his breathing. Plus, the low dosage carbon dioxide he's forced to breath back in will slightly tranquilize him.. making him calmer.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Don't want to relax my heart.
 
you won't be able to
 
@rightføld stress symptoms. Burnout?
 
user1804599
Not work related.
 
user1804599
I'm always happy at work.
 
4:50 PM
Who says burnout is always work related?
 
@rightføld do you feel a bit fatty? (serious question)
 
@Jefffrey oh sure you can. Just not fully.
 
@sehe Hindu sages do it all the time. Stop their heart and restart it!
 
tired of lying in the sunshine
staying home to watch the rain
 
You're beautiful. You're beautiful.
You're beautiful, it's true.
I saw your face in a crowded place,
And I don't know what to do,
'Cause I'll never be with you.
 
user1804599
4:51 PM
Also why do radars in Factorio make sounds?
 
user1804599
They're radars, not sonars.
 
you are young and life is long
 
@Jefffrey Depends on the circumstances
 
and then one day you find
ten years have got behind you
 
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.
 
user1804599
4:52 PM
20 as of next month.
 
@Jefffrey I remember Floyd.. nice times.
 
@Nick and I'm not frightned of dying
 
it's the way of life
 
any time will do, I don't mind
 
you live and then you die
 
user1804599
4:54 PM
Also I found that keeping gears and copper wire in your inventory is useful™
 
why should I be frightned of dying?
 
user1804599
@Puppy Not necessarily.
 
because it's an evolutionary motivator for survival.
 
user1804599
You can't know whether you'll ever die.
 
you gotta go sometimes
 
4:54 PM
@rightføld that's infringement!
 
jesus christ, I'd like to die with "the great gig in the sky" play in the background
 
user1804599
Nooo my pollution is about to reach enemy base.
 
@Jefffrey Good question. My argument is: Death doesn't exist; As long as you live it isn't there, and once you die it ain' there either (in fact, nothing is)
 
user1804599
Three enemy bases.
 
user1804599
Shit.
 
4:55 PM
@Jefffrey send me your effing playlist... or the puppy gets it.
 
@Nick I'd rather you die trying than chop the heads of 3,000 innocent animals just to save your own hide.
 
I remember spinning around in some parking lot, drunk, with "the great gig in the sky" in my ears
best moments of my life
 
@Jefffrey You didn't see much then did you
 
and then falling down of course and laughing like some crazy person
 
Ell
if there was a lonely guy that nobody knew
 
4:57 PM
@Columbo you don't understand the peace of mind I had back then
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ... Me too. I held an animal rights rally against a similar festival that happened in my state. I actually won... now, you want to kill me .... okay, I'm pretty much alright dying for a cause.
 
@Nick I didn't say I wanted to kill you. Please do not put such heinous words into my mouth in a public forum. Thanks.
@Nick Good job on the rally!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit *Chat room.
 
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meh, religion
the sooner we cure that cancer the better
 
4:58 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Out of context?
 
@Jefffrey No, but I can't imagine that being drunk and spinning around in a parking lot is the greatest moment of your life, for cripes sake
@LightnessRacesinOrbit In what context then?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No not really, around 500 were slaughtered that day. We couldn't stop it. We instead got the temple and authorities to sign a treaty which stopped the practice... it hasn't happened again in the past 3 years.
 
@Columbo Exactly the context in which it was posted.
@Nick Right, which is great!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Surely this chat room is not government-owned property.
 
5:00 PM
Doesn't surprise me to learn that Jefffrey drink drives
@Columbo Oh, granted, that's not quite the right article actually
Anyway, you get the point
 
@Columbo listen to this while closing your eyes and imagining some guy being in a orgasmic-like state and spinning around open arms, eyes closed, smile on the face
@LightnessRacesinOrbit never did such a thing
 
terrible song I think
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit You obviously wrote that reply misinterpreting something I said... let's call it even.
 
@Puppy I know you think so
 
@Puppy Actually, not quite terrible
It's allright
 
5:01 PM
I didn't know you could look inside my brain and know what I think
 
you are becoming predictable, I believe
sometimes I just know things
 
@Puppy Oh my, are you Alex Murphy?
 
I was talking to Columbo
not you
 
I know that too
see?
 
no.
 
5:03 PM
@Puppy ... do I have to explicitly say that the above is my opinion?
 
yes.
 
Nick goes away to attend a very important .... nah, he's just gonna watch a movie
 
@Columbo: Point is I was referring to the notion, not the specific technology
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, I got that.
 
@Nick Yeah it sounded like you were saying "I want to stop but can't because I'll die in the process"
 
5:04 PM
@Puppy ... which is your opinion.
 
yes.
 
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lol C++ fail
 
user1804599
holy shit
 
user1804599
five biter nests
 
@rightføld In some weird game you're playing, or real life?
 
user1804599
5:11 PM
game
 
(What are biters?)
 
user1804599
Enemies.
 
Do they bite?
 
I bite them.
They are cute.
 
5:23 PM
OMG WHAT
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Why does the answer get accepted that presents the wrong way
 
because it's what the questioner asked for.
 
Because the accepted answer gets chosen by the guy who knows the least about the subject matter; the question asker.
 
@Puppy Yes, but sometimes the questioner doesn't know what's good for him. And throwing an exception when you can sort everything out at compile time..
That is a fundamental problem on SO
 
yes, but if the questioner doesn't know what's good for him, how is he going to know to accept some other answer?
the questioner accepts the answer he thinks is best, regardless of whether or not that's true.
 
@Puppy ^
 
Ell
5:24 PM
@Columbo ^
 
There should be a voting system to accept a different answer.
 
@FredOverflow ACK
 
I disagree.
 
That would be sensible.
 
have you seen all the shit that gets upvoted from time to time?
I'd only accept answer overriding if only gold-badgers could vote, maybe.
 
5:25 PM
Or at least unaccept an accepted answer via voting.
 
besides
in this case I find it hard to believe that throwing an exception is not a superior choice for the questioner.
he can't change the fact that his lecturer is a total moron.
 
The answer is broken, though.
 
I didn't read it, so can't attest to it's brokenness (or not)
 
I'm bored.
 
contribute to wide
oh
give me like, ten minutes and I'll play you (or with you) at PA.
 
5:29 PM
If I wanted to write code I have enough of my own projects.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes play factorio or wtv it is you kids play these days
 
@Puppy I need to go out and get some food first, so make it half an hour.
 
sure.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes did you print any flag post holders yet? :)
I'm trying to model a pool table
in blender
it's muy dificil
 
I can play PA too
 
5:37 PM
how about in like, 23 minutes?
 
S fine
 
@Ell Everyone had left already when I was going to give them the model.
 
Ell
ah okay
well if you do end up using it I apologise if it's incorrect :P
I'm quite sure that it's right but meh still
 
Don't worry.
Protip: gloves do not keep your hands warm if you don't put them on.
 
wait
really?
damnit
 
5:49 PM
lol
 
user1804599
 
"As we can see, all three parameters were destroyed only after the last function call was finished." We can see no such thing. I'm sure you're misinterpreting this output. — Lightness Races in Orbit 22 secs ago
 
right
I made a game on PA custom- password is "lounge"
so whenever you guys wanna show up
 
6:05 PM
What's it called
 
3v3 pax prime shared armies
 
I'm in line to pay. My house is across the street, though.
So, soon.
 
What is a number with only one prime as a factor called?
 
A number with only one prime as a factor
 
Prime power would be the closest, but that doesn't sound like the official term
 
6:12 PM
why does there have to be a particular term for it?
 
Ell
there doesn't
he's just looking for a concise way to say it
 
I have to name a function that finds the largest prime power in a numbers factorization. I'll just call it largestPrimePower for now, that's fine
There is the term n-almost prime for p^n
fwiw
 
Largest prime factor power.
 
And how do you call a function that does binary exponentiation but not modulo any modulus? powmod would be the name for a function that does it modulo some number, but without that? binpow?
 
I'd go with Bob
 
6:17 PM
I prefer Steve
or maybe Todd
 
@Puppy I wouldn't do that unless whatever is named shall be associated with Super Mario.
 
Todd is a name associated with Super Mario?
 
@Puppy For me :P
Actually, hold on
 
yes, but you're you
 
@Puppy First rule of the tautology club.
 
user1804599
6:20 PM
No, that's Toad.
 
True.
Weird, I never heard the name Todd before then.
 
a toad is just a creature.
what do toads have to do with Super Mario?
 
Joining PA.
 
@Puppy Well, the little toads...?
Or were that just "mushrooms"?
 
what about them?
toads existing in SM does not associate toads with SM, it associates SM with toads.
 
6:22 PM
Toad, known in Japan as Kinopio (キノピオ), is a fictional character who primarily appears in Nintendo's Mario franchise. Created by Japanese video game designer Shigeru Miyamoto, he is portrayed as a citizen of the Mushroom Kingdom and is one of Princess Peach's most loyal attendants; constantly working on her behalf. He is usually seen as a non-player character (NPC) who provides assistance to Mario and his friends in most games, but there are times when Toad takes center stage and appears as the protagonist, as seen in Super Mario Bros. 2, Wario's Woods, Super Mario 3D World, and the upcoming game...
 
Well, e.g. in Super Mario Kart, Toad was one of my favourite ones.
 
6:37 PM
I came up with a good FAQ Q/A for SO
But I can't ask you guys to judge it since you would steal my marvelous idea
What a dillema
 
sup
@r.m can I have your autograph now that you're famous? :D
 
Ell
it took me an unprecedented amount of time to do this
 
6:52 PM
@Ell blender is very intuitive I've heard
lel.
 
Ell
it can be at times
this was one of those times
although it was because I was trying to take shortcuts :3
 
bit of a strange game
our opponents didn't really do anything
 
I didn't do much either :v
It's confusing
 
@Ell ...right
 
honestly PA isn't that complicated of a game, it's just that you have to play it across five planets simultaneously that's tricky.
 
Ell
6:54 PM
@BartekBanachewicz what does this mean? o.o
 
I built shit and launched what turned out to be a suicide attack on the gas giant.
 
It's the game mode that's complicated mostly
 
your attack on the gas giant was great.
 
Ell
@Puppy IME PA ai is broken
 
it went super well.
 
Ell
6:54 PM
but that was back in beta, is it still in beta?
 
@Ell We weren't playing against the AI.
 
orbital fighters are disposable and jigs are fat, soft targets that hurt a lot when they die.
 
Also, I lose against the AI.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh I see
 
I've built some defences
 
6:55 PM
honestly all we did was kill the guy on the moon, run away from the guy on Prime, and then go to the Death Star and fire at them.
there wasn't that much to be done since they did not attack us in any meaningful way after the very start of the game
which was one-sided on both planets.
 
I found one of their walls so I didn't consider they were full on on sea.
So no boats.
 
Naval units seem kinda pointless with multiple planets and orbital layer going on
 
@CatPlusPlus They're not if your opponent is building everything on sea.
 
they're pretty strong locally, but not that great after that.
you can't teleport naval units and most planet types don't have water.
 
I destroyed a section of wall and a few defenses, and then was stuck too far from anything else.
Then the boats came and wrecked everything I stupidly built on the coast.
But I still had no idea what was going on until way too late.
 
6:58 PM
in PA the first thing you have to do is scout your opponent, usually with an air scout.
if he is very close to you on land, rush him with tanks (I did that on moon)
 
I'll probably stick to playing RTSes solely during LAN parties with a lot of alcohol
 
and if your planet is unoccupied
you need to use air builders to build economy quickly
and if he spawned right next to you, then you need turrets and walls and stuff.
so getting that early scout is really important for knowing what to do
 

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