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Ell
2:00 PM
just saw the star wars trailer
wtf is that light saber
 
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@Ell Actually, you could use template there too - you can use it in places where it isn't strictly necessary
That is, Foo<int>().template bar<double>() should be valid code with C++11
 
why does uplay ask me to set separate paths for installers and game data if it downloads the installers in the game's path anyway
god damnit ubisoft
 
yay my number class works
    Number x    (1971689);
    x *= Number (10000000000);
    x /= Number (10000000000000000);

    double t = 1971689 * 10000000000 / 10000000000000000;
 
at least they know how to make collector's editions :D
 
t prints as 1, and x gives some additional digits of precision
 
2:06 PM
close-up of Pagan Min i.imgur.com/031GsHN.jpg
 
I think the first Far Cry was the one that really mattered
 
nope, the last 3 far cry games were the best
because we don't have enough open world FPS games
far cry 1 was a campaign on a big island
 
@AlexM. can you put pots on people's heads in those too?
Lots of functional programming in C++ in Novosibirsk. People are using it in production. Monads and all.
 
I know this has probably been linked before, but X-Wings skimming water:
 
@Mgetz what kind of Xwing is that is the only question I have
it seems like it's a very early version
also this fuckin lightsaber is so dumb lol
 
2:11 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Looks like JJ Abrams is not giving it the same treatment he gave Star Trek
so it will look more like the 1970s films
 
@Mgetz meaning?
 
@BartekBanachewicz nope
 
@BartekBanachewicz Aesthetically it shouldn't be a huge break
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz what language is this?
 
Xeo
2:28 PM
lol
 
Hiya guys. I'm doing some schoolwork and I was wondering if you could help me out. I have a simple cpp program and my prof is asking me to include the minimum hardware and software requirements... which is just bull because even an arduino capable of running dos on a screen could support this program.
How do I figure out the minimum requirements?
 
> 1. Do an **svnadmin dump** (which can be done only on the host).
2. Use **svndumpfilter** to filter out the unwanted revisions.
3. Create a new repository and use **svnadmin load** to load into the new repository.
This is kinda like functional programming.
 
@StackedCrooked I see that.
@StackedCrooked I have no idea what you're talking about. Could you first give me a gist about what that does?
 
tip: it's not an answer to your question
 
2:37 PM
@Nick It is a way to remove something from svn.
 
@AlexM. Well, I've been caught in more embarrassing situations :D
 
@AlexM. lol, I didn't realize either
 
@StackedCrooked You mean Apache Subversion. I remember it to be something like github.
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@Nick you can count the amount of memory you use in your program
 
@StackedCrooked 1969 KB
 
2:40 PM
So that's one requirement.
Also check if you have runtime dependencies to stdlib++ and libc.
 
@StackedCrooked: i don't think I have to go all that detailed. I have a sample page of what someone else (in an accepted project report) has done.
(Us kids just want to pass I guess)
 
Pentium 4
 
You don't need Pentium 4.
 
80GB or more
not even Final Fantasy XIII needs 80GB or more
and that shit has uncompressed video
(takes 60GB)
 
lol
 
2:45 PM
@Nick Your homework program requires 80 GB of disk space?
 
Ofcourse not. Just imagine hello world. My program is on that level.
 
while (WeDidntWrite80GB) { WriteStuffToAFile(); }
 
@Nick then why did you put it in
> Keyboard 104 keys
 
3 mins ago, by Nick
@StackedCrooked: i don't think I have to go all that detailed. I have a sample page of what someone else (in an accepted project report) has done.
It's not mine dammit! I'm still writing this thing.
 
what a lousy prof
I'd have told the kid who wrote that that he makes no sense
 
2:48 PM
@Nick It's a stupid exercise. Just write something that seems plausible and move on.
 
@AlexM. He distributed faulty codes to the kids who couldn't write things themselves... this is highschool. He ain't no prof. He's a lab teacher.
 
"Keyboard 104 keys"
what a joke
 
@StackedCrooked I laughed at that too.
 
It's especially stupid when placed next to the 80GB requirement.
 
"Any requirements to run the program on my comp?"
"Yeah, you're keyboard *must* have 104 keys otherwise it won't work. It might go terminator on your ass"
 
2:49 PM
And 1MB RAM.
Each spec seems to come from a different decade in history.
 
@StackedCrooked I think a sufficient number of students just plagiarized their senior's work for long enough that what seemed to be the best computer in the 90s ended up the minimum hardware requirement...
That's more than 20 academic generations of plagiarism!
@StackedCrooked Btw, how do I test the ram requirement? That knowledge will come in handy I guess.
 
I don't know. Look at memory usage in the Windows Task Manager?
 
@StackedCrooked ah, that's cussing negligible. Cool.
 
Ell
@Nick track ram usage while running it for a day or something
 
Is "memory requirement: nihil" acceptable.
It is the correct answer.
 
2:57 PM
@Ell It's a cussing menu driven primary school level peice of junk code... not a digits of pi generator. What do you mean "run it for a day"?
 
Ell
check there's no leaks
 
It's basically hello world.
 
Ell
just put 256k
 
@StackedCrooked Eh, it's hello world with tad bit of fstream on top...
@Ell What does 256k usually mean?
 
Ell
I mean 256kB :)
 
3:05 PM
@Ell Ah, well. I'm sure everyone else you know would have just assumed that :D I'm a dummy! wohoo!
Also, how do you pronounce Bjarne?
 
@Ell I'd like to order 256000 memory please :D
 
Ell
haha
@Nick byarn I think
 
@Ell Nah, I looked it up. It's b ee - Y UH R - n ee
 
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why the fuck can only people with N rep see the exact upvote/downvote ratio?
 
user1804599
3:11 PM
It's incredibly helpful information.
 
1 message moved to bin
 
Ell
@Nick actually I'm pretty sure it's byar-ne
 
Do you select text while reading?
 
user1804599
No.
 
@CatPlusPlus that offensive!!?
 
3:12 PM
I always do that and noticed only a few times with other people.
 
No gifs
 
user1804599
Only SVGs!
 
non-animated gif is fine
or seemingly non-animated gif
If you are sneaky enough nobody will notice.
 
@rightføld png and jpg? Are those bruthas welcome in dis hood?
 
3:14 PM
@StackedCrooked Yea, one day I'll hypno frog everyone... one day.
 
only .tiff is banned
 
@StackedCrooked What tiff does anyone have against tiff? My gal tiff don't even know what .tiff is for.
@CatPlusPlus Do any epileptics come into this room or something?
 
user1804599
I think the favicon of Physics looks more like a sombrero than the Sombrero Galaxy does.
 
> Will Bill Gates ever make up for the billions of damage he caused humanity by using underhand tactics to destroy his opposition? Maybe. But while everyone praises him at the moment, I can't help but think he deliberately held the internet back for 6 or 7 years for his own profit. You almost can't start calculating the damage he caused precisely because it is so mind boggling.
If Bill Gates wasn't at the top somebody else would have been
You can't speculate on how things would be if he didn't exist.
Such bad reasoning.
My Saturday is ruined now.
 
@StackedCrooked what a fucktard =/
 
3:22 PM
lol
 
user2286243
lol
 
Well, its "I define my own internet standards" war microsoft has been going under for the past.. what? 10 years? definitely didn't help "the internet".
 
@StackedCrooked Also, this requires proof "deliberately held the internet back for 6 or 7 years"
 
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@StackedCrooked If Adolf Hitler didn't kill millions of people someone else would have done it instead.
 
user1804599
Conclusion: Bill Gates is literally Adolf Hitler.
 
3:37 PM
@rightføld Exactly.
 
Finally someone gets it.
 
@rightføld Or we would just have gone extinct due to uncontrollable diseases
 
Interesting. Not sure why there's an editorial marking left in it, mind you.
 
WWI was probably unavoidable, only postponable.
 
3:37 PM
@StackedCrooked lolwut
 
the wonders of blind keming it seems
That font has very very bad kerning on my system
 
@Jefffrey I disagree.
 
@StackedCrooked Insomuch as some war between some countries was inevitably going to happen at some point between the start of the 20th century and the heat death of the universe, sure.
 
@Jefffrey Requires proof, too
 
the only reason Microsoft defining their own standards for a long time even meant anything is because nobody else was competing with them in the Internet space.
 
3:40 PM
Untrue. They just didn't have to listen
 
well
nobody else was competing with them effectively.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Now I feel stupid. Thanks a lot man :P
 
@Jefffrey It's highly debatable to suggest that Microsoft's moronic practices with IE caused any real harm, and even more so to suggest that in this Microsoft were a net negative despite the fact that they basically single-handedly ushered in the home computing age.
 
@Puppy They were competing on substance. They were losing on power
 
Not that nobody else could have done it, but they did do it.
 
3:41 PM
power Microsoft only gained because they won the original browser wars in a really dominant way.
 
Windows got an entire generation or two of first world residential knobjockeys onto the internet within their homes.
 
Indeed.
 
This is a simple fact.
 
@Puppy I'd say before that. They won that war not just on subtance.
 
which was because nobody was competing with them effectively.
so I'd say that whilst it's true that at a certain point you have a chicken-and-egg problem with trying to introduce new browsers
 
3:42 PM
Now whether or not getting those knobjockeys onto the internet was "good" or "bad" for the internet is another discussion entirely ;)
 
@Puppy some did compete. but they were like ants competing against a giant.
 
@sehe Seems to me like this round, they got bitchslapped repeatedly by the EU for trying to use their dominant OS position to try to win. So did the EU just not care first time around? I admittedly was not really taking much part in it, being only like, 8 years old.
 
@sehe Proof of what?
 
@Puppy As always, the rules follow the need
 
@StackedCrooked From what I understand, Netscape had a massive dominant position, then they threw it away by from-scratch rewriting and asking people to pay for the browser.
meanwhile Microsoft implemented new features instead and gave IE away for free.
 
3:45 PM
@Jefffrey "definitely didn't help "the internet""
 
giving their browser away for free almost certainly helped The Internets a great deal.
 
I wonder why Firefox managed to gain market share. I remember I used it for the first time in 2003 and I liked it because it had tabs.
 
@Puppy indeed
 
Tabs seems to be turning point.
lol
 
yeah
 
3:46 PM
@Puppy Yes it took the EU a long time to react. They did not understand the technology nor its implications, nor did they really care because the "internet in homes" concept was still brand new and not really ingrained.
 
Ell
@StackedCrooked my dad got it ages ago because "it stops sites automatically downloading things in the background"
 
from my understanding, after they won the browser wars, Microsoft basically just dropped maintaining IE.
 
@StackedCrooked It was anti-IE.
 
so it was just a matter of time until somebody else could come in and take it.
 
Ell
I don't really understand what's anti-competitive/anti-trust about not allowing ie to be uninstalled
 
3:47 PM
Its add-ons system, themeability, customisability, perceived security, and general "coolness" (peoples' parents were starting to use IE) were Firefox's greatest assets.
 
simple
 
But then it failed to keep up and innovate properly so Chrome stole its thunder.
 
because by default, Microsoft would insta-win the browser war based on their OS dominant position.
 
@sehe Well, I'm too young for this, of course, but I remember my early days with web dev and it was awful to say the least. Basically there were this 5-6 common things that you had to hack in to make IE work. Firefox, Opera and all worked just fine. With IE, either they didn't have such a feature or they the hack that you had to use was terrible and didn't work similarly anyway.
 
that's bad for all users because then there is no competition in the browser space.
and no incentive for anyone to change it
 
3:48 PM
I remember in the early days of IE you could visit a site and a popup would appear "This site requires a ActiveX plugin. Click yes to install.". How insanely insecure it was.
 
Ell
@Puppy microsoft didn't prevent people installing other browsers
 
but what does the ability to uninstall IE have to do with it?
 
Just my old experience, though. I don't have anything to prove anything, but I'm pretty sure that if you ask such a thing to a professional web dev, he will tell you something like that.
 
those same users who need protecting because they don't know what they're doing, are not going to uninstall IE anyway
pre-installating the browser in the first place is the far greater concern
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Please tell me what brilliant features Chrome brought us...
 
3:48 PM
@rubenvb Absolutely none
 
@Jefffrey The only reason you could even try to develop that site is because Microsoft changed the landscape so that browsers were free, and all the new features offered by Firefox and Opera were iterations on what IE brought to the table to stomp Netscape.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit OK. Just so that's clear :P
 
@rubenvb Actually, it had a huge speed and memory usage advantage over Firefox.
@rubenvb But more than much else, it was very well "marketed".
 
@rubenvb A decent UI.
 
3:49 PM
@Puppy Even if that's true, so what?
 
Oh no, a menu bar. Hoorible.
 
IE and Firefox of the Chrome-emergence period both had terrible UIs.
@Jefffrey So I'm saying you're bitching about having trouble developing for IE, and therefore IE is bad, when the whole situation would never have arisen without IE.
 
@Puppy You don't know that.
 
Shame now they ALL have crap UIs :(:(
Firefox is now, I'd say, the worst
 
3:50 PM
And it's a dumb argument anyway.
 
you don't know that without IE, things would not have been even worse.
 
@rubenvb Compliancy and speed.
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit this for sure
 
@Puppy or better
 
Netscape could have rested on their laurels with their dominant position the same way Microsoft did.
 
Ell
3:50 PM
it was marketed as fast
 
yeah there's no point second-guessing what would or wouldn't have been without IE. in our timeline, it was responsible for the growth of free and easy web browsing. fact.
 
@StackedCrooked You mean a new Javascript engine and a bunch of extensions?
 
What's your point?
 
Ell
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what do you dislike? out of interest
 
my point is that sure, Microsoft could have done better, but it's hardly convincing that just because they could have done better therefore they were a bad thing.
 
3:51 PM
Things could have gone better or worse if something didn't or did happen?
Wtf of an argument is that.
 
@Ell meh cba to do an analysis, but it's all over the fracking place and even less native-looking than Chrome
it's like they saw Chrome's paradigm, and IE's new paradigm, and Windows' ribbon interface, and rushed into pushing it all together so that they didn't get left behind
 
well, if you want to say that Microsoft were bad for the Internet, then you are directly stating that without them, things would have gone better.
 
@Jefffrey "it was awful to say the least" - can you be more vague? What was? The internet? IE? Microsoft? Also, still it might have been awful, but it could still have helped the internet by making it a commodity.
 
a bit like what Microsoft themselves did with Windows 8 to try to compete with the tablet OS developers
rushing to copy someone else's trend is always bad kthx
 
frankly
 
3:52 PM
@sehe Writing HTML, CSS and JS for IE.
 
making life difficult for a few devs in exchange for making it easy for millions of free users sounds like a great tradeoff to me.
 
I hate how rational and sensible Puppy is being here. I don't enjoy agreeing with him.
 
@Jefffrey Ah. Well, that is true. However, still requires "did not help the internet". There's a balance of so many things here
@LightnessRacesinOrbit We're not surprised.
 
Maybe CSS is the real devil.
 
never liked CSS.
 
3:54 PM
I honestly don't know what was it like before, but when firefox came out and opera came out, IE had no reason to complicate the life of everybody for the sake of having their own standards. And at that time the idea of a "common web standard" was very strong.
 
@Nick Apache Subversion is commonly known as SVN.
 
I hate it so much.
 
@Jefffrey lolwut?
ITT Jefffrey is on some hardcore drugss
 
IE is all bad? No. It was bad in the latest years and (maybe now it's becoming better or I don't know) it lost a great amount of users for that.
 
3:55 PM
@Jefffrey Rephrased, Opera and Firefox had no reason to complicate the life of everybody for having their own standards, instead of imitating the market leader with all the users.
Clang in particular is the golden boy of how to enter a market dominated by one or two existing technologies.
 
Ell
I'm not sure what to think of this question workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/36790/…
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they go to a lot of effort to imitate GCC (and MSVC now)
instead of bitching and whining about how they're not Standards-compliant.
 
@Ell loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
 
@Puppy Except that Opera and Firefox tried for a common standard, IE explicitly went for the IE-only standard.
I might be wrong though.
 
who cares?
the IE-only standard would cover 95% of users or whatever it was.
that's the standard right there.
 
3:56 PM
@Puppy I'm p sure web devs cared.
I cared.
 
common standard? who needs it? you already got one- the IE standard.
 
lol
 
not that giving control of the Internet to Microsoft alone is a great or even good idea
 
Oh, there was safari too btw.
 
but breaking websites just for non-compliance is a poor way to go about changing that.
 
3:58 PM
@Puppy I'm sure they didn't give a crap.
Again, web devs did.
 
CSS originally provided two layouting mechanisms: everying fixed or everying "percent"-based. This sucks so badly because in reality you nearly always need a fixed part (on this page it's the starboard and bottom) and make the rest flexible.
 
meh
if you have a standard that covers 95% of users and you don't target it, then it's your problem.
there would be no need for webdevs to target Firefox and Opera, just IE.
 
It's not about not targeting it. It's about targeting yours and also the other 5%.
lol
 
if targetting the other 5% is so hard then drop them.
it's not a difficult problem.
 
You are talking from the POV of IE devs.
I'm talking from the POV of web devs.
 

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