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9:00 AM
@thecoshman yea well, it involves parsing emails that are meant for humans to read, not machines, so it rather sensitive to change, but yea I should have tested it more.
 
@thecoshman or his commit was reverted by the bad guy
 
9:17 AM
I wanna a rollable phone/laptop which I can roll up like a door mat
 
@chmod711telkitty I heard that the latest iphone is quite rollable. or bendable
 
iphone 6+ you mean?
 
yeah probably
 
the impression my iphone 6 gave me when I first laid my eyes on it was: it looked like a galaxy with round home button
 
I don't use that apple crap
because I heard that apple stuff is for gays
 
Xeo
9:21 AM
@LucDanton: Oh yeah, I remember my gripe with common_type now - it doesn't allow reference returns.
 
and even apple's CEO is gay
 
@Abyx agreed
oh, wait
 
I don't like apple but androids are just looking too plastic
 
plastic is good
 
plastic are not bio degradable
 
9:22 AM
so what?
 
ah, in that case they are bad
 
if you chuck your iphone in mud & leave it there, it would probably rot
 
bullshit
only frame perhaps, but not the electronic parts
 
recently read an interesting article about the history of plastic
 
awesome first crash on my new phone
 
9:35 AM
null is not an object? never really thought about that.
It doesn't occupy memory so I guess that makes it not an object.
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Hm, how would you handle a Merge / FanIn call when the state is uninitialised due to being destroyed? Assert before / throw exception?
 
red screen, so 90s
 
@chmod711telkitty Have you updated to the latest version the first thing?
 
does the speed of memory allocation depend on the requested size? i.e is malloc(2) faster than malloc(2000)?
 
@VáclavZeman yes I did ... @_@
 
Xeo
9:44 AM
@LucDanton (Sorry for the spam :D) Also, in the move-ctor, would you Destroy() the moved-from object, or only move from its members and let its destructor handle final cleanup, as opposed to being no-op?
 
Xeo
9:55 AM
@LucDanton k, I think I got everything now? /cc @Rapptz
 
So
I did a nice thing for our upcoming RPG session
 
@StackedCrooked no, blame his incompetence, don't give him excuses
 
@Xeo latter
 
@TonyTheLion it can all be tested, well the formatting of an email is something that you should just test that the template works correctly and let others fuck around with it all they want.
 
Xeo
Sigh, friggin VS2012 doesn't even know alignof
 
10:03 AM
use std::alignment_of
 
Xeo
ye
 
also I find your move constructor weird
 
Xeo
why?
 
Hm..
Upon saying that I wonder if what I'm thinking of is UB.
yeah nvm
 
Xeo
now you got me wondering
 
10:08 AM
@BartekBanachewicz What did you do?
 
> Nurse defies Ebola quarantine with bike ride; negotiations fail reuters.com/article/2014/10/31/…
sometimes I think that if there will ever be a huge ebola outbreak, it will happen because we're dumb >.>
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes bought a bunch of 250g paper, and asked Natalia to utilize her drawing skills a bit
 
@AlexM. you mean, because people insist on retarded and pointless quarantines?
 
also folded some A3 sheets in half, made some cuts, and now I have character cards with slots for items! :)
(it's for post-apo setting)
 
Ell
I did this but for characters
 
10:10 AM
@Ell hm?
I'm also planning on making paper sliders for HP, ammo, medicine supply etc.
 
Ell
I got my bro to draw characterz
 
Xeo
@LucDanton @Rapptz haha, forgot a return *this from operator= - GCC never caught on :o
 
Ell
For battles
 
Xeo
aaand neither did Clang
 
that's weird
 
10:12 AM
@jalf I agree with you, but this defense: "said they had not yet been served with a court order to enforce the 21-day quarantine" is disgusting.
 
I know GCC has a warning for not returning in non-void functions
 
You need a fucking court order to obey a quarantine?
It's the health people that should tell me to stay at home. Fuck the law people.
 
Unfortunately "logic" is not a thing in some people's mind.
 
In state of emergency or outbreaks the government has the right to do things for what they deem appropriate for public safety.
 
Hey all.how you guyz?
 
10:16 AM
Hi
 
@Rapptz I mean I don't need a court order to not break quarantine.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Prolly because I never instantiated it
Yeah, as soon as I use operator= it warns properly.
 
@jalf if it was decided that a quarantine is necessary, I'd rather obey it than risk my and others' life
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes afaik it isn't. The quarantine didn't come from any kind of health people, afaik. It came from politicians who impose it to cater to ebola hysteria
 
Xeo
10:20 AM
I wonder, should I include an assignment operator from TLeft / TRight for convenience?
 
soo, I'm waiting for a courier again
I wonder if they'll come in time today
 
If I was quarantined for no purpose other than your state's governor's reelection, then sure, I would require a court order to respect it too
 
@jalf Oh well :S
 
(caveat, of course, if some kind of health professionals and their advice has actually been involved, that does change matters)
 
@jalf and the nurse just took care to cause more hysteria
 
10:22 AM
The Ebola hysteria is irritating me
 
@AlexM. I don't quite see how it is her responsibility to change her life to calm down idiots who are hysterical for no reason other than their own ignorance
I suppose she should stop using her mobile phone too, because people are hysterical about the radiation from that?
 
I'd expect medical staff to understand the effects of the hysteria and try to ameliorate it? I don't know
 
As a nurse, she should stop giving vaccines?
@AlexM. That is kind of what she's doing. She's showing that as a medical professional, she knows there is nothing to be afraid of. She is showing that the quarantine, which does nothing but to encourage more hysteria, is bullshit and PR grandstanding
 
I doubt that's the message the people get
 
probably not
But saying "yes, I believe we should be quarantined, and I will stay in my house for the next month" would serve no purpose other than to reinforce everyone's belief that this is a necessary measure, that everyone would die like flies without a quarantine
 
10:25 AM
and now everyone thinks the medical staff is comprised of rebellious incompetents who care not for the health of the people
she should have just stayed home
 
@AlexM. how would that have improved matters?
that would have reinforced people's false beliefs about the disease, which is also harmful
 
people wouldn't have seen a nurse disobeying quarantine?
 
@AlexM. And perpetuated the misinformation that has been fed all over.
 
I'd say that losing trust in your medical staff is worse than fearing Ebola more
 
@AlexM. How do you lose that trust?
By trusting... others above them?
If you trust your medical staff, you won't be seeing this as the act of a rebellious incompetent who cares not for the health of the people.
 
10:27 AM
well seeing medical staff act against what people think it's for their own safety is a good way to lose trust in them
 
@AlexM. If people lose their trust in medical staff every time medical staff refuses to obey the superstition and hysteria of the week, then the trust has been long gone already anyway
 
@AlexM. If people can think on their own about that, why do they want the medical staff anyway?
 
I don't think it takes much thinking to get to that, it's pretty simple
 
@AlexM. you're right, it doesn't take much thinking. That is the problem
 
people think a quarantine has been set to protect them, and they see medical staff not respecting it
 
10:29 AM
It takes a lack of thinking
 
@AlexM. If you trust the medical staff to start with, you'll hear them when they say "it's bullshit".
If you only "trust" them when they say what you want to hear, you never trusted them in the first place.
@AlexM. And then they'll probably think "well, they break it, I'll break it, too" and... nothing happens.
 
@AlexM. And you think that rather than correcting the misconception about the quarantine, the medical staff should jsut lay down and say "ok, we'll do whatever uneducated idiots think is best"?
"Right, we'll stop all vaccines. We'll throw away our cell phones. Anyone want a bloodletting?"
 
Or they think "wait, why would she break it?" and get some actual information, and... something good happens.
 
The thing about medical professionals is that they care about medical professionalism
 
it seems to me like you're considering the best cases only, but I see your points
 
Ell
10:31 AM
IMHO its pretty morally wrong to break quarantine
 
What's the worst case?
 
@Ell Why? (given that the quarantine was not for any medically sound reason, nor was it enforced or supported by medical professionals)
 
people searching for information as to why the nurse chose to ignore quarantine? people being informed by the doctors that the quarantine is bullshit? those look like best cases to me
I'm considering worst cases, people reading the news and saying "shit, not even the doctors respect quarantine, we're doomed."
and then spreading this among their friends
 
And... nothing still happens!
 
@AlexM. the worst case is that people freak out no matter what the nurse does
 
10:32 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes nothing happens except more hysteria
 
@AlexM. who spreads it to their friends, exactly?
 
or rather a reason for more hysteria
 
Ell
@jalf oh. If it wasn't supported by the medical professionals then its not
 
The thing is, as long as ebola doesn't spread, people's hysteria is kind of a secondary concern
@Ell it's a purely political thing because voters are freaking out. Politicians want to be seen as doing something
 
3 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
If you only "trust" them when they say what you want to hear, you never trusted them in the first place.
@AlexM. Those are the people that never trusted them to start with. They lose no trust.
 
10:34 AM
they gain a reason to trust them even less then?
 
@AlexM. how does that matter? People stop trusting people they apparently had no trust in to begin with?
 
I don't even know how to explain it
 
And, again, why should we care about that? Isn't that kind of a secondary concern?
 
like, you have Ebola, and then you remember that there's medical staff out there who doesn't give a crap about your safety and doesn't take Ebola seriously
that's what I meant
 
@AlexM. "You have ebola"?
How do you get that?
 
10:35 AM
If you have Ebola, it's hard to not take it seriously.
It kinda shows.
 
it's not you who's not taking it seriously
 
If you have ebola, then the CDC is all over you with competent professionals telling you exactly what you can or cannot do
 
Only a complete idiot wouldn't, and those are hopeless regardless of what docs do.
 
And ebola is not something you fucking find by the side of the road
you dont' just come home from work one day and go "oh shit, I have ebola"
 
anyway, it's clear that the importance you give to hysteria is much lower than the importance I give to it
I'd expect medical staff to understand the effects of hysteria and do their best to ameliorate it, that's all
 
10:37 AM
@AlexM. Yes, but also, I don't see how her actions are going to cause more hysteria
You know what causes hysteria? The quarantine. Telling people that "if it hadn't been for the quarantine, ebola would have spread"
Respecting the quarantine would not reduce the hysteria
 
@jalf follow news articles like that and read the comments?
 
@jalf That basically perpetuates it.
Now and for whatever the next one is.
And the one after and so on.
@AlexM. How do you know it's increasing and not just the same dumbasses that were already hysterical?
Don't let sample bias fool you.
 
does that matter? the nurse just gave people more reasons to keep the hysteria going
 
Non-hysterical people are less likely to be commenting on such things.
 
In short, limiting the spread of Ebola is more important than limiting the spread of hysteria. A quarantine causes more hysteria than a medical professional calling out the quarantine as ineffectual
 
10:39 AM
let's suppose Ebola spreads out from there even if it most likely won't
do you think people won't try to link it to the nurse disobeying the quarantine?
 
@AlexM. No, let's suppose that my house gets hit by a meteor
 
@AlexM. Your sample is set to find lots of hysteria due to the way you sample it, not due to an actual property of the population.
 
@AlexM. how exactly would that work?
 
@jalf Growing on trees.
 
The crowd running behind her, licking her bike, I imagine?
while she's vomiting on it from the Ebola symptoms she doesn't fucking have
 
10:41 AM
let's just drop this, it's going nowhere
 
You're right. Because we're talking about the real-world disease Ebola in the real world
you are talking about an imaginary dreamworld where you might contract ebola from drinking expired milk out of your fridge
 
not many died from it though, way less than stroke or cancer ... or even flu
besides there might be different strains of ebola viruses ...
 
Good morning and happy halloween everyone!
Tonight, I am the ghost of heartbleed. OOOOoooOOh I will exploit your SSL...!
 
10:56 AM
@jalf Cater and propagate.
 
oh how terrible matlab is
and how terrible cuda compilation is
and how terrible those combined are
 
Why use cuda?
 
user1804599
15 hours ago, by rightføld
> Genecoin samples your DNA, turns it into data, and stores it in the world's most powerful supercomputer: the Bitcoin network.
 
Do you odd?
 
11:10 AM
Who are their customers?
 
Rich people.
 
"Oh, throwing my genome all over the Internet? Count me in!"
 
The way I think bitcoin works, the load is balanced through all the clients right?
So no one would be able to get your genome, only tiny trivial pieces.
 
why would you do this again?
I mean is there a benefit?
 
So you can clone yourself in the near future. /s
 
11:13 AM
cloning myself does not sound very interesting if I can't preserve my memory :(
and extend my lifetime by cloning
 
Wait... Stores it in the Bitcoin network?
 
@Nooble No. Everyone gets the full multi-gigabyte ledger on their computer.
 
Why do they need a supercomputer if they're only storing it there? From what @rightføld quoted, they map the genome on their own.
 
Because Bitcoin. Duh.
 
actually, I wonder if even preserving my memory and moving it into another body would qualify as proper life extension
is it really me still living, or is it a new being building new memories upon a shallow copy coming from someone else
anyway, I should probably stop thinking about this and go get some money, otherwise if the courier somehow arrives in time I'll be the asshole telling him to come later >.>
 
11:20 AM
According to some research I found a while ago, our entire brain has been replaced every 15 years
with new cells.
Something like that.
 
anyways I can save google earth map info on iphone?
in case I am far far away from civilization & need map info without reception ...
 
11:31 AM
Morning
When will people realize that nobody gives a fuck who they prefer to fuck?
 
sbi
> "Wow such genetics. So data. Very forever?"
@Ell I thought pride is something one feels about ones own achievements. So, given you are proud to be white and straight, what incredible quests did you have to take in order to become so?
 
Meh that's something about Jens's writing style that makes me nervous
 
sbi
Jens Maurer? Jens Weller? Walther Jens?
 
Weller
 
sbi
Oh, I see. Lemme rephrase that, then...
> There's something about Jens that makes me nervous.
 
11:47 AM
I tend to lose myself when reading his posts
 
sbi
There, much better.
 
I don't know him personally, just read what he writes from time to time
Never seen any talk by him either
 
sbi
Me neither.
Are you going to be at MeetingC++ this years?
 
I plan to, bought the ticket long ago
 
sbi
In fact, is anyone from this room going to be at MeetingC++ this years?
@AndyProwl Ah, good.
 
11:48 AM
I'm having health issues lately though so it's not 100%
 
sbi
So we meet again.
 
@sbi Hope so!
 
sbi
Oops, that came out wrong.
 
Looking forward to have some more beer with you
 
sbi
@AndyProwl Best wishes then!
 
11:49 AM
Thank you
In fact we could have a small unconference
I guess robot and melak will be around too
 
sbi
@AndyProwl I also look forward to have beer with you. Or anyone else, FTM.
 
@AndyProwl You too?
 
the courier arrived just in time
I now have decent headphones at work
feels so good
 
Is everyone ill this year?
 
@Jefffrey Yeah. My immune system tends to have UB, but today I was told it's not HIV (phew)
 
Xeo
11:50 AM
@sbi Too expensive :/
 
sbi
@AndyProwl I have tried to talk @melak47 to use his new acquaintance with the head of the company who sponsors student tickets, but from what I know about him, I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
Xeo
@sbi s/ with you//
 
@AndyProwl Great news :)
 
@sbi I see. Would be a shame not to meet up though.
 
11:52 AM
@AndyProwl Tell that to melak.
 
sbi
@Xeo Is the company you work for too cheap to buy you a ticket for a conference even when they don't have to pay for accomodation? That's bad then.
@Xeo or anyone else
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Will you be in Berlin those days?
 
Xeo
@sbi Or even nobody else!
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Why don't you?
 
@AndyProwl Very likely, yes.
 
sbi
11:53 AM
@Xeo Nah. I only do that when there's nobody around. (Like about 6 days a week or so.)
 
Xeo
@sbi At the moment? Maybe. See this
 
@sbi It's sold out, it seems.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Good to hear, if you'll be around we can have a minor unconference
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh boy! How could you have let this slip??
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl I might swing by for that alone
I planned to go to Berlin in December anyways
 
11:55 AM
@Xeo Would be great!
 
@sbi Are you seriously asking me that?
 
wait
 
sbi
@Xeo Uh oh. Need a job in Berlin? :) No games, though.
 
what is meetingc++
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes. Why do you ask?
 
Xeo
11:56 AM
@sbi My position is good.
 
@Xeo I want to Berlin in the summer. It was very hot. It is no longer summer. It won't be hot.
 
Xeo
And I really don't want to leave here.
 
sbi
@nightcracker One of the two best C++ conferences in Europe.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes He wrote there might be some late tickets in November
 
sbi
@Xeo Is that why you're polishing up your CV?
@Xeo Where's that? IN NRW? What's to love about that area?
 
Xeo
11:56 AM
> might
 
I probably have gastritis, btw.
 
@sbi Where is it and what are the costs?
 
Xeo
@sbi A buddy of mine is moving into the flat directly below me
 
2 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@sbi It's sold out, it seems.
 
Xeo
and I have a bunch of buddies here.
 
11:57 AM
Berlin.
 
sbi
Doh.
 
oh well
oh germany
 
@nightcracker Keep an eye on the website if you're interested, there might be additional tickets
 
probably couldn't come anyway (and if I could I might not even would)
 
although no certainty
 
11:57 AM
What is the name of that service Bartek used to play with in which you offer live assistance and you get paid?
 
sbi
@Xeo Ah, of course, I see. You had no friends in Berlin, had you? That makes sense then. :)
 
Xeo
helpouts
 
@Jefffrey Yeah tell me about it :P
 
@Xeo The other one. :)
 
Xeo
11:58 AM
@sbi To be perfectly honest? Not many.
 
sbi
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's missing an l
@Xeo Really? And why is that?
 
Indian Enthusiastic Programmers are being lovely I see
 
dat flag
 
guys
 
(didn't even know such a chatroom existed)
 
11:59 AM
is dick cancer real?
I am afraid
 
wtf
 

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